The DAUNTLESS And Time (Star Trek Prodigy Analysis)

[@pavarottiaardvark3431]

let's be fair "You tried to trick me and failed, so I used the design and made myself a real version of the Dauntless" is ABSOLUTELY the sort of flex Janeway would pull.

[@MaybeAnnatar]

It feels so Janeway to be like "Fuck you. You tried to hurt me but I'm just going to take that and use it to my advantage."

[@Trident6037]

And enjoy your time as a borg drone as a final fk you

[@shanenolan8252]

It always made sense Starfleet would build a dauntless class, and we did see one in enterprise 26th century scene.

[@wazda6488]

It’s also in star trek online

[@KenshiImmortalWolf]

@@wazda6488 star trek online isn't cannon it's a separate timeline

[@LordDarthHarry]

@@KenshiImmortalWolf Though Discovery did do a minor nod to the events of Online by mentioning the surviving Iconians.

[@wazda6488]

@@KenshiImmortalWolf incorrect, anything in Star Trek Online is soft cannon, meaning it’s events are cannon, unless a how says otherwise which hasn’t happened

[@matthewjay660]

I’ve always liked Arcturus’ faux-Dauntless Class. Too bad he was so stupid and hell bent on revenge; 🤔I would have gathered up as many of my people that I could and sojourned along side Voyager as refugees to the Federation, far far away from the Borg… minus transwarp corridors… .

[@marshallhuffer4713]

4:10 - That's correct. According to Kevin and Ben Hageman, the uniforms and combadges for the Protostar crew are uniquely specific to the ship: "Since the USS Protostar is an experimental starship, we felt it gave us some freedom to create our own uniform design, as long as it fit alongside the uniforms of this era. We, [executive producer] Ben Hibon, and our design team spent a lot of time discussing the badge and uniforms. We had to balance the style of our series, while also recognizing these kids aren’t actually anywhere close to being Starfleet Officers, which is why we went for a stripped-down design." They added that, "we all know different styles of combadges often co-existed in the same era, and we knew we wanted something special for Prodigy."

[@jack1701e]

Ah I'm glad they made the Dauntless class an actual Starfleet ship, it looked great I'm the Voyager episode! And they're linking in other series to this one, I'm a bit surprised but glad, it's like when shows put jokes and references into kids shows for the parents to get!

[@thumpercomet3856]

I'm surprised that Prodigy is getting so intertwined in events of previous shows. I figured with it being more for kids, it would largely stick to it's own thing far away from the rest of the shows. I'm not complaining. I love that we have all these different shows.

[@SKy_the_Thunder]

That's the plot thread to keep the parents engaged. Doesn't mean much to the kids unfamiliar with the other series, but it adds some mentor characters that feel experienced because their history is already very fleshed out, along with the world. Plus visual consistency for if/when they stumble over some Lower Decks images or clips from the older series, tying it all together and making the jump-off easier. Also that moment in some families' living rooms when Janeway and her Dauntless get introduced, and dad's eyes go wide and he lets out a quiet "ooooh...!" They don't know what it means - but by that reaction alone they know it means _something_ important.

[@thumpercomet3856]

@@SKy_the_Thunder Yeah, I did let out a little squeel of excitement at seeing Janeway. I've really enjoyed the series, It'll be fun to see where it goes.

[@irregularassassin6380]

@@thumpercomet3856 Yep, I did too. Didn't catch the Dauntless reference, but that was a good moment. The last three episodes of the season really started to improve.

[@kellcomnet]

I suspect that Chakotay sent the protostar back in time accidentally due to a reaction between the protocore and what ever temporal tech was used by the Diviner

[@AC-bf9dq]

Yeah I agree. It’d make sense he’d scuttle the ship in a way. Especially true if he learned of the Diviners plot. I also think the Protostar was developed to rescue Voyager, but since Voyager made it home the ship wasn’t need except to scout deep space.

[@irregularassassin6380]

The big question, then, is what happened to Chakotay and his crew? Where did they go? Were they on Tars Lamora the whole time and we never saw them? That seems unlikely. Chakotay would have come running as soon as the Protostar was visible in the sky, unless he was restrained, in stasis, or similar.

[@bigshadow847]

I just hope Chakotay isn’t Murf

[@renataemcristo]

@@bigshadow847 KKKKKKKKKKKKKK

[@bigshadow847]

@@renataemcristo what does the KKKK mean?

[@amazedsatsuma]

You know Janeway is going to have a headache when she finds out about time travel subplot

[@hp8492]

Prodigy has been amazing so far. I can't wait for more episodes!

[@justjohnny05]

the line from the beginning of Prodigy referring to the Hologram cracks me up "What's a Janeway?" lol 😆

[@RememberTheChase]

I actually think that it's some form of computer virus, like the mokai virus in STO. It seems like the deviner was implying that it would turn there ships against each other, bring them down by there own hand. Especially because he said it only required contact with one ship. I love all your videos man, I watch literally all of them. Thank you for everything you do! Top tier channel.

[@Andreas-gh6is]

This was the first Star Trek series that didn't feature a Human character. Except for Chakotay in the flash backs and flesh-and-bones Janeway in the very last shots.

[@anlumo1]

Holo-Janeway is also kinda like a human.

[@matthewjay660]

And I LOVE this concept! Infinite diversity in infinite combinations. 🖖🏻

[@djb1317]

@@matthewjay660 Diversity means anti human, go figure

[@Janoha17]

The Diviner described his weapon for destroying Starfleet: A virus to induce something like what happened in TOS' "The Ultimate Computer", turning starfleet against itself.

[@LavenderSunrise]

Just like J'Ula's virus in Star Trek Online

[@michaelgreenwood3413]

@@LavenderSunrise Aakar's*

[@glitterboy2098]

@@LavenderSunrise only i figure that it'll be more elbaorate than just messing with the sensor feeds. i suspect that given his race's advanced AI/robotics tech, the virus will inject an AI into the federation computers, turning the ships into automated beserkers that attack and destroy everything in their path, infecting other ships as they encounter them. the federation would collapse because all the starfleet ships are flying around shooting up everything in sight.

[@kdrapertrucker]

You'd think Starfleet ships would have heavy duty antivirus protection.

[@Janoha17]

@@kdrapertrucker a virus designed with 25th Century starfleet computers in mind would treat 24th century computer defenses like paper.

[@McKay416]

Cannot wait to see more of the Dauntless! I loved the original "fake" Dauntless and always wanted the Federation to explore that kind of design. Like many, I too am concerned with the timeline becoming a bit crowded and I do feel a bit of disjointedness. That said, I think if they handle it right, this era of Trek could be monumental.

[@hillbillypowpow]

That seems like a very bad plan on the Diviner's part. Wouldn't it be infinitely easier to just pose as his planets government in a first contact with the UFP and tell them to bugger off instead of destroying the largest interplanetary governmental organization in the galaxy, behind the dominioni suppose?

[@Andreas-gh6is]

He hinted that his species was confident and secure "in their own supremacy". And probably even just the knowledge of something like the Federation would have triggered that catastrophe.

[@maddslothii2532]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@hillbillypowpow]

@@Andreas-gh6is that's a huge bummer then. If the very existence of the UFP is an existential threat to your civilization you've basically already lost.

[@amazedsatsuma]

To me he doesn't want to just prevent first contact...he is fanatic who blames the Federation instead looking inward at his own people's shortcomings

[@zhoufang996]

It seems quite a Krenim-style plan. I wonder if the temporal shields Voyager brought back would be proof against it.

[@Supreme-no2ye]

It's cool that we see differing uniforms among bridge officers around this time, and it makes sense too. According to STO lore, sometime before stardate 87003, subsection 2 paragraph 1 of the Starfleet Uniform Code was enacted, which says "Starship captains...have discretion as to their personal uniform and the uniforms of their bridge crew."

[@everettjohnson9374]

It looks like a mix between the original Voyager design and the Dauntless

[@miner1611]

Do you think that the Protostar might be a kind of like an auxiliary craft to the new dauntless? Maybe it docks to that large cutout in the back of it. Like if the Enterprise separated its saucer and left it behind.

[@VulpisFoxfire]

Or maybe a design related to that Multi-vector ship that split into three parts, except this one was meant to be manned in both parts, rather than remotely controlled?

[@cvs0202]

Though that sounds cool in my opinion both ships are far to distinct for one auxiliary of the other my guess is that starfleet finaly started working on projects for ftl without dilithium to try and avoid the incoming shortage that would have been felt right before the burn later for some reason both were shelved maybe because like the modern fossil fuels criss the federation was a bit to resistant and conservative to change the status quo

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@cvs0202 I thought the issue for slipstream being mainstream was just the Benamite crystals were rare? But all the 32nd century ships seem to have the capability, going from Booker’s dialogue. They could’ve had a few centuries of amazing transwarp expansion and then realised those crystals are even harder to find than dilithium.

[@cvs0202]

@@kaitlyn__L it cant be though as they are produced not natural at least according to memory alpha, yes they are hard to produce and take years but something tells the federation if it wanted to develop quicker more effective ways to synthesis the crystals and mass production so that after the first couple years of shortage they would just have them on mass Like what happened to quantum torpedoes would happen with benamite crystals. The federation would start to use them develop the infrastructure to mass produce them as well as tech to make it easier to produce up till a point when even the planetary and semi isolationist government of United earth is able to use them as default on their ships same would happen with benamite crystals. But it is obvious this didn't happen as starfleet was still searching for alternative forms of ftl travel in 3000 as well as that the burn wouldn't have happened

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@cvs0202 tbh that’s a slightly flawed take from Memory Alpha. The form Voyager used was not its natural form but that doesn’t necessarily imply there’s no natural resources used in that production. We know they take months to grow but no information is given on what the raw materials were - it could be very much like getting a pure metal from ore, analogous to crystal formation through electrolysis which is how we produce some metals. Or perhaps it was something more akin to growing salt crystals, but again with a rarer mineral. We just don’t know. But having to be refined by humans doesn’t necessarily imply there’s no scarcity problems, not at all.

[@FrankBlissett]

Possibly, the Protostar was sent (or slipped) back in time, and in the current timeline Chakotay led a crew which recovered it. If they go that route, it would allow the ship to be from pretty much any time period, while keeping the missing crew in the approximate time-frame of the show.

[@bigbywolf586]

Looking at the shape of the secondary hull, particularly the edge of the deflector housing is making me think that the Federation Dauntless Class is a melding of the Dauntless saucer and parts of the nacelles with the secondary hull of the Sternbach Voyager concept. I can’t wait for a better look at it.

[@kaitlyn__L]

I have a model of that! (My ship model collection is generally thus: shuttles, and never-seen concept ships. And the crossover therein, like the original Jeffries TOS shuttle design.)

[@MandoMTL]

You'd think a society so easily fractured would have collapsed prior to such an advanced level of development.

[@SKy_the_Thunder]

Meanwhile our society tried to rip itself apart over the simple choice of not exposing others to a virus that could lead to long term damage or death... I'd be more surprised if there weren't multiple viewpoints on such a big decision. And with their species seeming somewhat predisposed to be proud and stoic, I can absolutely see neither of the factions wanting to give in. If you then introduce a good helping of idealism, the whole thing becomes a powder keg... Fits well with their "solution" to the situation being "go back in time and blow it all up".

[@Revkor]

again the story at it's core is stupid. Blame the feds for your people collapse. then some how get your hands on an odd starfleet ship. somehow destroy the federation and temporal issues happened and Protostar is sent back. and note all the uniforms are about 25% different. even the Fed Dauntless. This is Kurtzmen trek still and NOT canon. Hell Protostar herself is way to Kelvinish

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@Revkor please let the “25% different” meme die

[@Revkor]

@@kaitlyn__L it's not a meme. it's conformed true

[@hp8492]

@@Revkor your information is outdated, as evidenced by your 25% comment.

[@JDEhlert]

Well, with all the craziness going on up to 2400, no wonder Quinn had issues with crews and ships and started the fast advance program. ;)

[@thomashill6347]

Thank you Ric for that interesting look and for sharing your thoughts on this topic.

[@kdrapertrucker]

I like how the diviner blames Starfleet for his own people's foolishness. Kind of like how terrorists always blame their victims.

[@anthonygordon9483]

I don't even think the diviner even mentioned if their civilization even reached faster then speed light yet. I find that interesting cause in first contact, the Vulcan's showed no interest in making contact with humans until we finally reached the speed of light. The fact of the matter, the Vulcan's made this decision because they knew we would make first contact regardless. It's funny cause the United Earth and Vulcans help create United Federation of Planets so you would think they would continue to make contact based on that logic.

[@DeaconBlues117]

Welp, that's supremacists for you.

[@danilejai7801]

Please do more prodigy videos! I unexpectedly really liked the show, but there’s hardly any videos on Prodigy!

[@torik9300]

Although Prodigy is on break, Trekyards was doing weekly reviews for it. They would post a 20 mins review first and then do Livestream breakdowns later in the day, it was pretty fun. Also Sci-Faninatics and Jesse Gender After Dark were channels doing weekly reviews as well.

[@FirstLast-cg2nk]

Okay, couldn't the Diviner's people have just sent him back in time to warn everyone not to fight over joining the Federation, since it would accomplish nothing but devastating their world? I mean, they brought that ruin on themselves. If they were that quick to fracture and fight each other to the point of self-destruction, they'd have found a reason to do it sooner or later, the Federation was just an excuse, not the cause.

[@pwnmeisterage]

The Diviner described his "weapon" in the episode itself. It will make Starfleet ships turn against all other Starfleet ships they encounter. Causing the Federation to destroy itself in conflict. Probably similar to the Romulan "tele-control computer virus" which transmitted itself through hailing frequencies. Probably not "some kind of temporal bomb".

[@onlycorndog6322]

Janeway legit was like "Hold my coffee while I build myself a real Dauntless".

[@NeilBlumengarten]

I thought it was just a computer virus, something analogous to the one the Enterprise crew suggested to use on the Borg. Something that once transmitted would spread from one Starfleet computer to another until all Starfleet computers were infected.

[@jeeshadow1]

Ya, I think he says it is basically a computer virus that would force starfleet ships to fire on each other, driving the federation into a civil war like what befell his own people

[@dragonsword7370]

A another example would be something like "the iconian computer virus". Easy to send out and transfer through the fleet. Hard to tack down and takes long enough to blow up the ships before anyone can immediately deduce "its that damn virus blowing up our ships!"

[@damien__j]

Not been following Prodigy closely but from the bits I do know it sounds a bit like Futures End again. Wonder if the Protostar did wipe out Starfleet originally, then was taken back in time to try to prevent it.

[@TimeKitt]

The Diviner gave me big Future Guy vibes this episode. Nowhere near the right time, but the same scope of altering the past.

[@Andreas-gh6is]

My impression is that Star Fleet adopts a more flexible policy around uniforms, and leaves the details up to the captain or fleet unit in question... It's really nothing that concerns me all that much.

[@Corbomite_Meatballs]

That's basically what happened in STO...as long as you're dressed as identifiable as a Starfleet officer, you can dress in whichever uniform you prefer.

[@oneloveal]

I always figured it was related to the assignment. Since the uniforms were "smart wear" each would suit the operational conditions of the mission.

[@Delosian]

I didn't even realise the tenth episode had come out until I started watching this.

[@sugarfrosted2005]

I'm curious if that planetary disaster as part of the world building was how they got Robert Beltran involved again. He was very vocal against the prime directive outside of his role.

[@mrcritical6751]

They probably just promised they’d let him finally snap that little flute he hated

[@timothyp873]

It makes sense that star fleet would replicate the dauntless as a prototype for a slip stream vessel as it was the first vessel encountered with the tech and was from the species who originated it so it would be a good starting point for a star fleet based version of the drive.

[@gorillazzilla]

The Dauntless uniforms remind me of the canceled Star Trek Generations' uniforms.

[@kaitlyn__L]

Which is fitting since the Lower Decks design team took inspiration from the Generations design. And then this is a more photoreal version of the same one.

[@kaitlyn__L]

Hey! That’s not the Picard combadge on Admiral Janeway, that’s the All Good Things combadge! I wonder if we’re meant to take that to mean this was also an aborted timeline, or whether we’re meant to take that badge to be the same as the Picard one with a slightly different look (just like the Lower Decks rendition of the Voyager badge looks slightly different but is clearly meant to be the same). Oh, you’ve just said that now :) you’ve said you think it’s just another badge design which then moved-on to the Picard one. I guess I could see that happening, a barely-redesign to go from the brass to dark steel colour scheme of the rank pips?

[@TheMariostarr]

Woah, didn't really just how packed the 2380s and 90s were getting. Also hope that Online finally gets some more representation in the series, Caracals in both Discovery and Prodigy (I believe?) And while not directly an STO reference, the mention of the iconians in Discovery just make me want those series to flow into STO all the more.

[@Andreas-gh6is]

I think they had Iconians in TNG already.

[@TheMariostarr]

@@Andreas-gh6is oh yeah of course, they were mentioned in TNG a few times, but the entire main story for STO in the beginning was the Iconians, leading to the Iconian War of 2410. I'd say they're much more known for that than anything.

[@onlycorndog6322]

Picard S1 indirectly references the Iconians and suggests that the main threat of the season may have destroyed their civilization as well. Picard S2 also talks about the Borg having detected some mysterious threat lurking somewhere in deep space but gives us basically no information about what exactly it is except that the Borg seem to think they can't handle it.

[@timrose9826]

yup

[@liljenborg2517]

I hope someone is keeping a close eye on the canon. I WISH someone at Bad Reboot CARED about the canon enough to keep an eye on the canon. But the current folks superintending the franchise seem to view canon as shackles they would prefer to be free of.

[@michaelgreenwood3413]

Actually, they know the canon better than you. Because they HAVE been following it.

[@Mate397]

Did you skip the part where the Diviner said that the Protostar meeting with another Federation ship will cause Starfleet vessels to destroy each other?

[@kargaroc386]

The key takeaway is that Arturis, the alien who made the original Dauntless, ended up playing himself so hard that its hilarious.

[@nsg_kuunda4786]

Which comes first in the timeliness? Prodigy or renegades?

[@fgdj2000]

The Prodigy show runner has said as much. They are keeping tabs on each other and view this post-Dominion war era as an era of expansion and experimentation, which is then cut short by the Utopia Planetia bombing and destruction of Romulus, hence the multiple different styles of uniforms and badges in use seemingly concurrently. Personally, as Trek has always played it a little fast and loose with canon, I can look past minor inconsistencies, especially if the individual shows are still good.

[@shmee123ful]

Ok I have to laugh at the deviner species over reaction. Ok everyone, listen we are buggered let's go back in time to save our species. Everyone claps , great idea yeh this is all the federations fault let's erase them from history That one guy: um are we sure that's a good idea? I mean sure their interference did kind of screw us over and I'm not a fan but, I feel we could set of a domino effect that means we'll face some worse down the road. I don't know like a race of all consuming cyborg zombies, or an interstellar "alliance " lead by super salty and paranoid holyer than thou shape changers bent on conquest. Could we not just go back in time sit at the edge of our system when they arrive and tell them to bugger off?

[@dylanthomas385]

Please do more culture index thaws have kinda tookin a back seat lately I’d id really like to see them back at the forefront

[@shauljonah6955]

I like this thanks 😊

[@robmx2324]

For a show aimed at children. It’s also entertaining to adults to. Kudos to the writers.

[@henrylockhart495]

I love “her born year” 😂

[@NymeriaDT]

I am hoping that when Star Trek Picard ends at S3, they pick up with the Stargazer and that pushes the timeline ever more forward. That was the promise of ST: Voyager to push the timeline significantly forward. We have that in Discovery and now I want that in more ST series.

[@Skybaby79]

Janeway's new ship looks like it's made to stab people there's a joke in there somewhere

[@MoonjumperReviews]

“I hope someone is keeping an eye on the canon.” Ha! Good luck with that! The only thing that gives me a measure of optimism is that “Picard” is bringing the Okudas back into the fold. If they would take full advantage of that and allow the Okudas to do what they were so good at doing-keeping the all canonical minutia straight for the overall franchise-that would go a long way towards repairing the continuity mess that the current folks running Star Trek have made of the modern franchise.

[@Revkor]

too late for that show. Star Trek is dead till Secret hideout is removed

[@kaitlyn__L]

McMahan said in an interview like a year ago that they’ve been collaborating with the Picard and Prodigy writers rooms to keep things straight.

[@MoonjumperReviews]

@@Revkor - It’s definitely a big mess to clean up, particularly after the sheer carnage that Discovery, in particular, did to the canon. There is no logical way to reconcile Discovery’s first two seasons with the rest of Star Trek and claim it’s a direct prequel set in the same timeline. No amount of “it’s classified” shrug-offs can fix that shit (except maybe time travel). But Secret Hideout is more inclined to keep making it worse. Enter Strange New Worlds.

[@MoonjumperReviews]

@@kaitlyn__L - He probably insists on it. McMahan is the only one who seems to actually care.

[@Revkor]

@@kaitlyn__L and Picard failed that. this is KURTZMEN TREK. failure is it's middle name

[@DavBotsArcade]

Dang subtitles... Drainway and Jokote lol.

[@riptide8350]

I just assumed the uniforms were cadet uniforms.

[@CertifiablyIngame]

Possibly, but I was wondering why Holo-Janeway was in one, and Chakotay also in the recording.

[@riptide8350]

@@CertifiablyIngame I will admit that didn't notice that. Now I am curious about the unique uniform.

[@sh4d0wfl4re]

So... something that occurred to me watching ST:P, Warp cores can contain a condensed protostar... how far back did this level of shielding exist? It doesn't feel particularly wrong for Voyager era ships to be able to contain such energy, but could a Galaxy class's shielding contain a fledgling star..?

[@kaitlyn__L]

Probably, given it’s not that different from the singularity capture by the Romulans. Both require large amounts of (subspace) force field power drawn from the stellar body itself. In fact, AIUI this is also how Federation fusion reactors work - instead of magnetic or inertial confinement like we use today, they just use subspace force fields to hold and compress the plasma much more densely. Of course an entire protostar is larger and heavier than a bunch of deuterium plasma, but once you get it set up, it feeds the force field all the same.

[@dralin350]

So many writers try to do time-travel plots. They don't realize that any interaction with the past generates a new branch and doesn't change the "home" timeline. It's very rarely correctly displayed as an overwrite / shift mechanic (Back to the Future style ) A big piece to my puzzle of "Classic timeline vs Borg-First Contact / ST:Ent timeline" presented itself recently. The original Dauntless used the registry of NX-01 A. We know it was fake, but it was an elaborate ruse to trick Voy. Artus, knowing Starfleet naming schemes, picked a historic name & reg to parallel a ship with an experimental drive. Logically leading that the original NX-01 was named Dauntless, classic timeline Archer's ship name. Where there was no visit of the borg and Ent-E crew to inspire the name Enterprise.

[@kdrapertrucker]

I seem to recall that he told Gwen that the weapon had to be armed.

[@tank3532]

Interesting.....timeline.

[@alexxbaudwhyn7572]

Haven't read any Prodigy discussions yet, but after viewing eps 1-5 of s1, first impression is that it's trying to be a Star Wars clone re look and feel of the animation, characters and style vs the varied Star wars cgi series I warmed up to the Protostar ship design in general re physical layout, but biggest Treknical blunder is the oooohhh, aaahh, Protostar power source. Stars are just fusion/fission Stock impulse sublight engines use fusion reactors Antimatter or some reasonably fashioned quantum technology is far more powerful, or the Romulans singularity based power source. All been thought through and established

[@Farmsy__]

I cant even watch epsiode 6 or up because theres only 5 on paramount+ in prime video for me??? Can't find anything on the internet about it... (Context Australian Prime Video)

[@jimmyryan5880]

You know they had 3 shows set at the same time, like the same week. Its spreading all the shows over centuries thats confusing, not putting them together.

[@Theus227]

So all these shows revolve around time travel?

[@everettjohnson9374]

Revolve around time Travel? No. They have time travel in them at times which isn't anything new to Trek since every series has it several times during their runs

[@Revkor]

it's the only way they can justify their choices

[@brisbanenight]

didnt they say it was some sort of program that will disable and destory all starfleet?

[@SchneeflockeMonsoon]

I’d love if they had crossovers. Like DS9 and TNG had back in the day.

[@Andreas-gh6is]

I'm sure they'll figure out a reason for Riker to make an appearance...

[@toyotatacoma1616]

@@Andreas-gh6is Maybe an episode where the protostar crew end up in the general vicinity of the Titan, and they have to hide from the larger ship while both crews deal with the same problem.

[@stevengalloway8052]

Here's hoping that Gwen will recover her memory in time of knowing that the Protostar has the weapon on it that could destroy Starfleet... 😏

[@Sovereign506]

No she won't otherwise the writers couldn't subvert our expectations. Obviously they will meet Dauntless and the Virus will mess everything up so that Janeway has to take command of the Protostar with all her surviving crew. She learns that Chakotay is dead and about the time travel of the deviner, so she her self travels in time to prevent all that. -> after all the show currently takes place in an alternate time line ;)

[@abductedcows4100]

Why does the Protostar look like a Kelvin time line ship? The nacelles and overall size ratios don’t fit prime time line design.

[@Revkor]

because this is kelvin IP not the true one despite what the studio says

[@Mister_Mag00]

all of these new drives i assume fail because if they actually had them in service, the burn would not have been an issue?or maybe the dude is actually the one who causes whats his face to cause the burn?

[@MrPeter924]

Awesome great Star Trek

[@purrnyan8108]

Didn't the Diviner explain that the "weapon" is a virus that make UFP's ship computer shoot each other? Just a quick glance, lots of people slapping him for not paying attention lol

[@gmradio2436]

This plot feels very Hichiker's Guide to the Galaxy to me.

[@dixievfd55]

Legendary Dauntless class hero ship incoming. Command/Intel seating probably.

[@KCKingdomCreateGreatTrekAgain]

The original Dauntless is better looking but needs a longer star drive section and maybe nacelles too.

[@tigervv6437]

The USS Dauntless looks like some cursed version of the Sphinx of Gizeh

[@drockjr]

I laughed audibly when I saw the dauntless in prodigy. More so nerdgasm

[@talideon]

I did a "SQUEE!" when I saw the proper Star Fleet uniform!

[@DragonGateDesign]

I thought the super nova was before the attack on mars, that the mars attack put an end to the evacuation which caused Picard to leave

[@SKy_the_Thunder]

It was discovered that it would soon go super nova before the attack, which prompted the evacuation. The attack then slowed the evacuation, meaning they weren't done with it by the time the super nova actually happened.

[@Revkor]

the issue is the evac shou;ldn't be needed. 1: not Romulan home star. 2. the Romulan Imperial fleet. they have hundreds of D'Deridx's to starfleet isn't quite needed for this. another dumb plot by the Kurtzmen

[@Nalehw]

@@Revkor "not Romulan home star" - alpha canon has actually left this vague. It's just referred to as 'the Romulan star'. If you've heard it called 'the Hobus supernova' then that's from beta sources. "the Romulan Imperial fleet. they have hundreds of D'Deridx's to starfleet isn't quite needed for this." - A D'deridex is built for war, not for mass civilian evacuation. And anyway, there's a lot more complexity to evacuation than just having lots of ships. Most of your effort is going to be spent on embarking and disembarking, and on giving them places to actually go TO. The Federation has experience with humanitarian missions, and it has places for refugees to go to, and it has industrial facilities (like Mars) that can run at full capacity because the workers aren't trying to flee the nova... There are a lot of reasons Federation aid would be valuable. Besides, isn't helping out thy neighbour in character for the Federation? Even if you think the Romulans are capable of handling it themselves, the Federation could surely lend aid to make it easier.

[@Revkor]

@@Nalehw wrong D'Deridex is also a tropp dransport so while starfleet can help the distruction of that fleet at mars would not be a major blow to the evac. D'Deridex is bigger then a galaxy but not strigner. why? it holds far more troops then what a Galaxy can.

[@SKy_the_Thunder]

@@Revkor If it's indeed _not_ the star in the Romulan home system, there's much more of a reason for a large scale evacuation, because for some reason it ended up destroying Romulus. So any planet in any other system within the same radius or more would need to be evacuated too. Being so close to Romulus itself, these are likely many of the core worlds with large populations, requiring much more effort to evacuate. (Far from the first time some "quantum" or "subspace" anomaly affects several light years.) Add to that the typical political backstabbing within Romulan society which would absolutely lead to them going "Oooh nooo, all our ships are at the other side of the Empire, protecting it from some totally real threat and we don't have enough to evacuate everyone who doesn't approve of our leadership..." So they shuffle that off to the Federation, to set them up for failure and establish some pseudo-colonies in their territory. With those undesirables disillusioned through that very rushed evacuation, it's easy to infiltrate them and use them to annex those systems for the Empire later.

[@csljr1]

Why do you say the doomsday weapon is unknown? The Diviner's weapon was the equivalent of a computer virus - it would infect the Federation ship's and make enemies appear as friendly and vice-versa, meaning Starfleet would destroy itself (literally - ships would see each other as hostile targets). All that has to happen for it to infect the Federation computers is for the Protostar to come into contact with other Starfleet ships, at which point it can propagate to the other ships in the fleet. That's why Gwyn kept repeating the "we can't go [to Starfleet]" - by going to the Federation, when the Protostar comes into contact with a Starfleet vessel it will destroy Starfleet, which would prevent the Vau N'Akat first contact from happening (and thus the Diviner wins by default. Since Gqyn lost her memory of the virus, it sets up the cliffhanger ending: the Dauntless is coming to the Protostar, which means it will get infected and be able to spread the virus. The comm badges are not alternate future ones (they originally were in the TNG episodes, but they look the same to me as the ones Starfleet is using in Picard in 2399/2401; they also appeared in Discovery season 3, when Michael rejoined the ship after her year alone (she brought back collections of comm badges, etc., and they were put on the wall in her re-union with Tilly scene).

[@invisi-bullexploration2374]

I don't think Dred-Nok is gone for good. In fact I think Dred-Nok maybe full of surprises. Dred seemed to react with a bit of surprise and recognition when he saw the Janeway hologram and mistook it for the real Janeway. It was as if Dred really wanted to see Janeway and was angry all he got was a command hologram. Remember the Voyager episode Dreadnaught?! The Diviner could corrupt machines. The buffer for Dred's design was inside of the Voyager's main computers. Dred-Nok is at least possibly a corrupted Federation robot created by Torres and an iteration of the Dreadnaught AI. He is not technology created by the Diviner's race. Diviner put the 'machine bending' whammy on him to take the ship from the inside via compromising his systems. His morality algorithms have been gutted. Much as what happened to Data.

[@invisi-bullexploration2374]

I see it like this. The Protostar's provisional Crew consisted of Janeway and Chakotay on the bridge and Dred was the ship's engineer and maybe a few other functions. He kept everything running behind the scenes. I also have a feeling the Diviner was so insane that exposure to the Medusian may have been an IMPROVEMENT. I think that crazy idiot got ahold of Command code. Which is what he used to do his whole machine corrupting deal. So yeah, thanks to Diviner Command is on its way to federation space.

[@JeffreySquires]

You need to say "Their born year is..." from now on.

[@rolandet]

Hej now. No 'hel-lo all' ? Combo breaker 😜

[@shanenolan8252]

Starfleet command must love someone working in uniform design. Im thinking a relative. Creating work for them . ( kidding)

[@deltadom33]

How can they not have the slipstream drive in the 32nd century in discovery

[@thomashill6347]

As for the look of the USS Dauntless it is bad THE one in Voyager looked better, I like the uniform of the Admiral. The USS Protostar uniform Not good as one piece / Two piece would be better. I do like that the Lieutenant and Ensign have rank on cuffs and PIPS on collars SO I LIKE THAT

[@kaitlyn__L]

Yes, more rank insignia should be doubled up. Given IRL militaries tend to do cuffs, shoulder side of sleeves, and the badging (and sometimes also rank on epaulets). It just makes it easier to tell someone’s rank rather than having to wait until you can see the right corner of their neck.

[@thomashill6347]

@@kaitlyn__L Agree totally

[@chrisk7533]

How is it that this DreamWorks made for Netflix animation style seems to be doing star trek better than every other CBS show?

[@Marcus51090]

Is she a joined trill? Pitty the EMH dr isn’t the dr

[@timothyhansen6581]

Two things. First, having just watched the end of the Prodigy season, I am not sure why you are unclear as to what the Diviner put on the ship. While I do not know the particulars, I do know he said that should the Protostar come into contact with another Starfleet vessel, the "weapon" would then cause the ships to turn on each other in order to tear Starfleet apart. Obviously, this is some kind of insidious computer virus that may turn the Starfleet ships into AI - much like the TOS ship in the TOS episode "War Games," with the M6 computer gone amok. The second thing I wanted to mention is that the people making the current Star Trek series are indeed working to knit the different series together. Case in point, when creating the body for the Trill Guardian wannabe who had been the Trill Symbiote's former host before it was melded to a human body to inhabit, the Doctor on Discovery says that the first time they had done such a transference of consciousness was for "an old Starfleet Admiral named Picard." I grant you, that was only one line & it only tied the Picard series to Discovery extremely loosely, but still. It's a start, at least.

[@bcn1gh7h4wk]

Discovery is not even canon. in the odd case that you might want to remotely consider it canon, it's barely a 6th-dimensional construct spun around the idea that when the Kelvin incident happened, the divergence created not a branching timeline, but a parallel dimension with it's own past. and FROM that past is that the future we see in Discovery is spun out..... as in, it introduces the idea of anti-time, blasting away towards the past and creating an actual reality, and from that reality creating another reality through proper time, instantly. the Picard mentioned in there is nowhere near the Picard we know..... hell, it might even be an actual Frenchman, with a full headful of hair, and a knack for high-stakes poker. Discovery is NOWHERE NEAR the same plane of existence as the main timeline. it's not the mirror universe, it's a totally different universe, *with it's own mirror universe*.

[@timothyhansen6581]

@@bcn1gh7h4wk "Anti-time" was first introduced in "All Good Things...", the TNG finale. It was also the very foundation of "Star Trek: First Contact." So, anti-time IS canon. The Picard reference in Discovery was a call-back to Star Trek: Picard's Season 1 finale, where the consciousness of a dying Jean-Luc is transferred into an Android body - or "golem," as he put it - as a way of explaining how they could create an artificial body for the Trill Guardian wannabe to inhabit. Just like I said before. Granted, Star Trek: Picard isn't Prime Timeline, either, since they used the Class C shuttles from Discovery, but at least Picard & Discovery are canon to each other, anyway. Also, I think both the crew of the JJ-verse & the fans who created Star Trek: Online would have something to say about saying only stuff that happens in the "Prime" Timeline is canon. Hell! Even the series Enterprise dealt with Mirror Universe crap, as did TOS. The Multi-verse exists, in many different franchises. Get over it.

[@bcn1gh7h4wk]

@@timothyhansen6581 yes, anti-time exist*ED* in canon, just before the anomaly was shut down, restoring reality. it being the foundation for a whole new reality "because reasons" is pure stupidity.

[@matthewjay660]

Hi Rick! 🙋🏻‍♂️ I am over the moon that the only human is a hologram Janeway. I’m JAZZED that there are no organics whom are human aboard the USS Protostar. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 “Infinite diversity in infinite combinations.” 🖖🏻

[@johnballard5547]

🙂👍🏽🖖🏽📽

[@kerviuskuroshiba5120]

I thought that in order for a planet/civilization to sign up to be a member of the Federation, the WHOLE planet has to be unified in that cause to become a member species. If there was any civil unrest in joining the Federation, the UFP will not offer any membership and/or benefits until that candidate world solved their issues and unite together first.

[@StuartLegomanLittle]

He said that the federation stayed out of the war

[@TheOmega1989]

Uhhh, think you got your dates backwards, friend. The Romulan supernova and its ensuing events, leading to the banning of synth's is what led to Mr. Pickerds resignation

[@ryvlaw]

The only thing really contradicting the idea that this is prime, is that in the Picard flashbacks that take place a few years AFTER that Janeway scene we see that they are still using the Voyager badges which would make no sense.

[@James-rn7dx]

None of it makes sense when it comes to the uniforms and com badges. They really need to make some things consistent with these shows.

[@exilestudios9546]

yeah but starfleet having multiple badge styles in service is nothing new heck in the TOS era every ship had its own unique badge associated with it though that has largely been retconned in favor of the enterprises crews delta symbol being the universal Starfleet logo

[@stevenwells157]

🖖👍

[@Daimo83]

Can't they write anything without time travel anymore

[@DavidBrendan7799]

I love this show, very much, but I hate the look of THIS ship. Protostar on the other hand is magnificent!

[@hawkstringfellow]

Prodigy is 10000 times better than STD why is STD still on anyway

[@kineuhansen8629]

ahh man i hate time travel its make my head hurt

[@donaldwindland]

Wibly wobbly timey whimy

[@roy1701d]

Back in the day, we called the Excelsior the "Pregnant Guppy" because it looked so goofy. This Dauntless is far, far worse. I'm hoping a closer look will make things better. 🖖

[@NASA-Shill]

Keeping an eye on cannon really doesn't matter when the new shows ignore cannon and are complete trash.

[@watch_kitty]

What if the Dauntless was always a ship and that alien just copied it somehow using time rift raft and then Starfleet copied it and made it and then it was copied by the alien from the past and then made and then Starfleet copied it and made it and then the alien-

[@cristsan4171]

They should have named the ship USS Voyager-B to make it somewhat more exciting

[@robertfarr9186]

I’m sure all the lazy writers paramount have on staff are keeping a close eye on existing cannon so they can mess it up with yet more time travel plot holes.

[@michaelgreenwood3413]

Have you WATCHED Star Trek? Time travel crap's been a constant ever since the 60s.