The Day Before - Shocking Truth Revealed, You Won't Believe What They Said

[@CurtisBuilds]

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[@jamesc178]

control yourself mate nobody cares

[@Reckless-Unicorn]

@@jamesc178 dont speak for other people its not becoming of.... wait who are you and who fken asked ? oh thats right, no one asked you.... I for ONE and very interested in this soo pipe down

[@andresrodriguez2343]

Clearly you do if you are commenting 🤡

[@tombooze74]

@@andresrodriguez2343you’re one of those are you?

[@Taki7o7]

Sorry, but what is this subtitle about? It writes gibberish stuff at important parts ^^ Guess it's auto-generated?

[@That_Random_British_Dude]

The Day Before has probably become my favourite game this year. Not from a gameplay perspective, not by any stretch of the imagination, but as a case study for what NOT to do when developing/advertising a game

[@reesofraft4166]

advertisment vise - they were great! they were in all the talks and had huge mouth to mouth propagation without paying anything for it - and they got rewarded with a huge interest on release. (that is was a huge dumpster fire was in your face from the beginning - but imagine the game would have been good!) and in the end - the 'game' does not look too bad. If I think back to the begin of DayZ this is already better. but the main issue we all see: 1. it has been advertised as something else to be (open world MMO, not extraction shooteron a few servers) 2. it should have been released fully 1.5years ago (and especially here you can see a HUGE difference between what should have been and what is there) 3. the publisher has such bad reputation when it comes to continue working on their games so noone expects this to ever be finalized and released. either they get deleted by steam and never appear again or they will just let it slide into oblivion without doing anything on the game anymore. I would be very surprised if it were different.

[@Bobmcjoepants]

They nailed the advertising A successful scam has to have fantastic marketing

[@Francisco-Danconia]

@@Bobmcjoepants exactly 🤣 they just made off with so much money!

[@shopeeseller]

Damn this feels like it could be a great Netflix series.

[@noahknight4039]

Series or documentary. The fyre festival documentaries and the series about Tharanos were both pretty good.

[@sirglenn7463]

I can't wait for the Internet Historian to do a "documentary" on this! LMAO! That guy's great!

[@mrinfinitymusic]

For anyone who spent money on this game… did you really ignore all the b.s. that’s happened beforehand? Like if development is ever that troubled you should automatically know to not buy.

[@Bryan-tf8it]

I bought the game, requested a refund and never looked back!

[@MickeyDee420]

I did it for the memes

[@wonkabars6982]

Out of all of the videos made on this game, this is the one that deserves the highest exposure possible.

[@travellingslim]

The things I learned from this call: 1. The "Volunteers" and Discord mods were really just alpha testers and didn't work on the game or have any insight on development, with the only "rewards" being skins, in game currency, and game keys. 2. The actual development and information about the game was hidden from view of volunteers and Discord mods and likely around 20-30 actual developers 3. We're probably not going to get much more out of talking to volunteers and Discord mods because they were as in-the-dark as everyone else. 4. The only way we will get any more worthwhile information is if an actual developer breaks NDA and risks everything to provide information. People talk a big game about lawsuits and Steam taking the game down but in reality none of that will happen or amount to anything. Steam will just relax their refund policy for this game and we will all move on to the next thing and forget about The Day Before.

[@sholva6809]

No since if someone does decide to sue them for false advertising if they didn't get a refund then they will win, also Steam have removed games before for scamming people so don't say never as you have no clue how this is going to go

[@MortiXD09]

About steam, im just not so sure. Yes theres shitton of shovelware there, but none of it is so high profile as day before. And you are right in that we will move on, but not before few more shitstorms happen. It was fun distraction while it lasted.

[@LegendaryNuggets]

They gave me a refund even after 5 hours of play. I had to write them a paragraph, but the support guy was super nice, and they gave me a refund out of steams pocket. "I understand where you're coming from. Your purchase doesn't qualify for a refund due to having a certain amount of playtime for the base game. What I can do is, refund your initial purchase to your Steam Wallet, as a customer service gesture. With that said, the purchase has been removed from the account and a credit has been applied to your Steam Wallet. The credit can be used for future Steam purchases. Your current Steam Wallet balance is displayed in the top right hand corner of the Steam client window next to your account name."

[@MortiXD09]

@@LegendaryNuggets nice, and kinda expected with all other thousands of refunds. still 5 hours down the crapper.

[@sheik_link]

based

[@Treayom]

People compare $2 meals at the supermarket, reading all the ingredients yet won't bother to do 2 minutes of research about a $40 game. This game was wrapped in a big red flag since the start, 8 words in google would have shown you. 🎉🎉

[@sirglenn7463]

So, basically the whole entire volunteer team was kept in the dark and not knowing A-N-Y information about the game. Feel bad for the volunteers and also feeling terrible that they were the ones getting attacked more.

[@DarkRipper117]

I can't feel bad for people getting scammed at this point when there's been warnings for years now that this was very likely gonna be the outcome, and to know that in this point in time there's people still willingly begging to get scammed it's beyond me lol.

[@VenoXj1]

Because a game had a bad start? Yeah, it was sus and it's yet another case which shows you shouldn't blindly buy or pre order a game. However, to now say it was "clearly" a scam is just absolutely over exaggerated and quite stupid as well. You do realize, that most people are super casual and just see a cool trailer and decide to buy a game based on that alone? Yes, you can certainly have an opinion based on that but that doesn't mean those people should be exploited.

[@magicalfungi3206]

for anyone paying attention to the development or the devs it was obviously a scam. That is why so many people didnt even think it was real. i dont agree with op that people deserve it, but it was clear to see there were issues from the beginning and more people need to pay attention to what they are buying or shit like this keeps happening. @@VenoXj1

[@voraxumbra1]

@@VenoXj1 Nah, this was clearly a scam. I was openly calling it out from the very first trailer they made and ofc no one believed me. They literally stole the logo from TLOU. Just because YOU are a gullible idiot, doesnt mean everyone else is.

[@martinszymanski2607]

the people who saw a cool trailer and decided to buy the game based on it most likely saw the delays, the game being delisted from steam, the countless analysis videos showing how clearly fake the trailers are or the final product. if the hypothetical people you're defending have seen anything about this game and don't get a refund now they absolutely do deserve to be stolen from.@@VenoXj1

[@SoundlessMelodies]

@@VenoXj1 No, it was clearly a scam if you have a decent brain.

[@Phaevryn]

This is Juniper Hill In from Hotel Hell all over: Narcissist owners being horrible and lying about everything, while abusing and milking their staff.

[@talonodyssey]

Guys, I am no way defending the game as do believe there is something clearly not right here, but with the fact we have numerous streamers prior to release calling the game out for being shady wtf did peps not watch the same streamers on go live to validate before buying....we need to take some responsibility here. I personally think by holding off that would not have only sent the right message to Fntastic but to other game devs not to take the gaming community for granted.

[@tangentsmith2961]

Look. Those clowns from CDPR decided it is ok to make jokes towards NoManSky Developer after he's announced his new project at TGA. Something like they can promise all the bullshit to the gamers and can fix their games for years after release. They think it is funny. And people still do the preorders and buy their crap no matter what. Gamers simply have no respect to themselves.

[@VenoXj1]

So, what you are basically saying is that people should have not bought it from the get go since there was so much stuff before release that was sus? If that's what you're talking about then yes, that is what people SHOULD have done but we don't live in utopia but in real life. What people should do and what people actually do is sometimes not the same thing. To now sit here and say: "People you should not have bought it!" is silly as it already happened. Not everyone is watching streamers, not everyone is actually even looking into a game at all on the internet. Most people see a cool trailer and find the game to be interesting and buy it when it releases. That is the reality we live in. By your logic, we could also say devs should not be the ones who are taking advantage of their customers and try to scam them. But they clearly do, as you can see. So, to sit here and say what should or shouldn't be happening is pointless. Obviously people should not have bought a game which turns out to be a scam. I think we all agree on that and it's only logical to agree on that. However, people bought the game dude.

[@CurtisBuilds]

Let’s be honest here, the majority of gamers don’t research prior to buying, most of the customers saw a great looking trailer and said to themselves “I’ll buy that when it comes out” and that’s as far as it went. Companies like Fntastic are the reason more and more gamers are starting to not trust developers and ultimately this is likely to hurt indie devs…

[@maddogsteve5507]

This video is a gem. Archive archive archive . This game is now infamous

[@doomslayerforever2858]

I didn't buy because I knew most got the game free and I can decide to buy after they tested it.

[@3DzEXPLOSION]

You know what I find more crazy. Is you can find "mods" for free to defend and ban people without second thought when you (as the dev team) have not given them anything tangent to go off of. Crazy stuff really.

[@FoxyRaven-TV]

My question is, why do Steam allow thise scams to take place on their platform? The game is still being sold on Steam, does Steam really not care to protect their users? Would love a reply from Steam, tryed to get them to respond on those questions but they just write, " we understand you frustration please use the flag report system on the store page "

[@FoxyRaven-TV]

The final messege i got from Steam support: Hello, We understand your frustration regarding this whole situation and Steam will resolve this issue accordingly as we value your feedback. Saying that we checked your account and we do not see the license of the game in question. If you own the game in another account, please issue a refund request so we can refund your payment. Because we have provided all the information we have for your issue I'm closing this help request. If you have an unrelated issue please open a new help request and we will be happy to help. Steam Support "Deleted Name" __________________ I have been in contact with steam support over the last 4 days even though i never did buy this scam, i wanted to help my fellow gamers. Steam finally took the game down from being able to be sold on Steam, you can also refund the game now no matter how many hours you have in this so called game.

[@dorkydragon5055]

Were you not around for the days of steam greenlight?

[@FoxyRaven-TV]

@@dorkydragon5055 My steam account is 17 years old according to the 17 years of service on my account.

[@grifte12172]

It's crazy how all these guys come together and talk then you get 4 politicians on a stage and it's a shitshow!

[@Zminator1986]

I can't believe people actually worked for free to make this game 😮

[@Reckless-Unicorn]

im not overly suprised....

[@MickeyDee420]

That's what I said 😂... who the hell volunteers for this shit!?!? This has to be an elaborate prank ahahahah

[@Daemon1995_]

5 years of blood and tears and scams

[@TimoGraw]

"to make this game" :D

[@leoSaunders]

nobody did man. 23:05 volunteers WERE NOT developers.

[@TheHausi91]

All the volunteers failed a simple Google search with "Should I work for free?" (Spoiler: No) It's sad that those kids are so naive.

[@rickyjanzen6684]

I guess some people just want some exposure and experience in the industry, but it's astounding that they could get so many on board for free for so long. What really surprised me is there were people who volunteered because the original volunteers recruited them--when the person "hiring" you isn't getting rewarded, how can you get excited about the project?

[@voidcultdesign]

I actually took screenshots in their discord in which one of the mods stated... we were just as mislead as everyone else the only difference is that the dev team got paid for it.

[@HaveAHeartAnimalSanctuary]

After all I have heard about this topic, this video has to be the juiciest content out there. This alone will be clipped to no end. Tread carefully tho peoples, big players use drastic measures.

[@skinnybob_]

Obvious scam from the very start. Hopefully more people can see the signs earlier next time. At least the refunds are coming through.

[@justincunningham8476]

It’s a SCAM. This is insane. This is a crime. A Crime. An actual felony. At this point something formal needs to be done because they are stealing peoples money.

[@VenoXj1]

One can only hope they get sued to the ground and never develop a game in the future ever again.

[@Pinsonneaultmotorsports]

Here is the new problem. They changed the name on the game. It’s says it’s now owned by mytona fntastic

[@gileadbot19]

Video games are the only industry I know of that never get in any sort of trouble for lying about their product and releasing a product that doesn't work as intended. This needs to change immediately. Devs like this need to be fined repeatedly for every instance until they learn to stop bulshitting customers and releasing games that are straight up broken. So many games have come out the past few years that were nothing like what was said, and they continue to get away with it and keep doing it. Imagine if a car company did this. Told everyone about this great new car coming soon that would blow everyone away. But then when it comes out it always stalls, refuses to start, perhaps the tires fall off and the brakes don't work very well.....see where this is going? Why do game companies keep getting away with straight up lying to us? Redfall, FO76, Halo Infinite, etc....there are loads more I'm sure I've already forgotten but the point remains. These companies continue to lie and they never ever get in any trouble.

[@Mox2077]

I can't for the life of me understand why ANYONE would want to volunteer to work on this project? How desperate do you have to be to get into the game dev sphere to work for free on someone else's obvious scam with so many red flags waving in your face? Absolutely mind boggling... If people have so much time and so little regard for the value of their time, why not come up with and develop their own game - just at a smaller scale? You'd still get dev and tool experience, but you wouldn't be slavelabour for someone else?!

[@deathvalleydemon41]

This seems like a crime series at this point..leading up to “the day after” 😂

[@indianastilts]

Seriously this game is in my most interested of 2023 due to all the drama only. Never played or brought it but been following it over a year due to all the news on this and footage. Just soo interesting and crazy. This shows you what NOT to do when advertising a game. Also i really really hope Karma hits the main developers due to all those they scammed

[@vercoda9997]

Didn't know the Singapore govt had funding involvement! You do *not* want to screw around with a hard-right police state! They better run to a place that won't extradite them back to SG - like Somalia!

[@CurtisBuilds]

Yeah I was very very surprised to hear this also

[@greviuss]

dont underestimate verbal abuse, i had it for 3 jears at mi work place and it broke me, im still recovering. Keep your head up bro, dont let it git to far, think of your mental and personal health, its not worth it burning your self up they will just hire sombody else.

[@CleafKnowsVLOGS_nl]

This story will make a great Netflix documentary.

[@Its__Dark__]

I can't help but feel some kind of responsibility should be on IGNs shoulders because they showcased this game to their 10 million subscribers without doing any type of vetting or investigation in to the people making the game. They are considered press. Just to be clear I'm not saying that it's all their fault or only on IGN but imagine how much smaller of an impact this game would have had without IGNs publicity. Just a thought. Maybe it's just me.

[@lukeGGlee]

Well the devs were secretive about the games release. Press cant do anything if no ones was talking

[@CurtisBuilds]

While I somewhat agree with you, in the fact some vetting and research should have been conducted by IGN. At the end of the day they joined the hype train just like a lot of us, and were under the impression that this was early footage of the game, they were not to know it was a scam, however I’d love to know what conversations gaming websites / channels had with Fntastic

[@MrAtmaVandal]

really? it s the official gameplay trailer! don t try to change the responsability...

[@PjTMC]

IGN is full of shit and should be investigated. They gave UFC 5 like a 8 or 9 out of 10. Said it’s the greatest mma game ever made???? It’s a straight up lie. It has potential to be but not in its current state not even close to

[@Its__Dark__]

@GameRottenHD The reason I mentioned IGN is because for the the first trailer of the Day before they did a lead up to it for like a couple days. That's the only reason why I mentioned them because if any smaller site would have done it they wouldn't have the same reach. They heavily promoted the game before the trailer came out with an IGN presents banner, which for me gave the game some kind of credibility, before I even knew what it was. I might be misremembering but The Day Before was one of their main headliners for their Summer of Gaming or something. So I seen a ton of buzz leading up to the first trailer because people were talking about this new game IGN was going to show off. As I said before I'm not saying they are responsible but I would hope in the future when they try to get these kind of scoops they try and do a little work to get a feel for who they are promoting. This was just more of an observation I had on my part. I understand that this was just my experience with the advertising and hype for the Day Before so it might not represent everyone else's experience. Also I appreciate anyone who has replied with actual conservation or debate instead of just blind hate.

[@robertcochrane2671]

I knew it was a scam from the start... it was too good to be true. The fact that the game release was moved 4 times... and it was removed from steam as well. If you fell for this scam I feel sorry for you.

[@ante8301]

The games steam page is getting review botted with positive reviews, different accounts leaving the same exact russian text, there are screenshots if you look it up.

[@85Bad4ever]

well steam is giving refunds even if you played more then 2h ,one of my friends from discord where we play warhammer ,he got refund after 8h game time ,just explain what is going on with game

[@exan6970]

If the Volunteers say bad things about the "game", you know it's bad.

[@Galantus1964]

Overhere in the EU, they could get sued.. for false advertising

[@Maddog0608]

I had 5 hours in play, well waiting to get into a server. It took about 8 requests for a refund and 7 time denied. And finally got a refund for the game c

[@megadeth-1a885]

yup they didn't start working on this until the trailer got so much hype. They has nothing before that. Crazy they thought they'd get away with it.

[@yann-pennaneac]

my god, this video give us the exact clue how they anticipated to close their company, how they manage from the start to avoid cost, stay legal, and in 1 click remove the company for the equation and keeping the money from steam. holy cow ... wow ... i hope you post this video to steam ?? they need to watch this. Steam need to act and some people here have the potential to help steam sue this company.

[@cragzuk]

That company is using bots now to boost Steam reviews. Its gone up from Overwhelmingly negative to Mostly Negative. Scum lords.

[@CurtisBuilds]

You should see the comments of the positive reviews “This is a fantastic thrilling adventure” ~ steam level 0 with 0.1h playtime on review….. can’t even fake positive reviews properly without being caught 😂🤣

[@Rahim1969]

I think Wholf had the same concerns as everyone else but what he continues to do is claim this is a real game when it is not a game it is simply a money grab disguised as a game which he continues to defend. From the very first trailer I spoke with my Friend who is a game developer and we knew this was a lie. There was no way this unknown and small development team would ever be able to accomplish the goals the trailer stated. I cannot give Wholf a pass for "NOT KNOWING" because he actively had his name associated to the game and defended the game during his time as a mod on Discord. Responsibility is not singular the entire team in all areas is responsible for allowing this trash to come out. The very fact they said it will release in Early Access was a negative comment for this game that was supposed to be fully developed and released years ago. Anyone with a brain had to know this was not even developed till very recently as a response to all the negativity they were receiving. I think this interview was a softball interview you guys allowed this man to walk away with little responsibility as if he was a victim and not one of the reasons gamers are upset to begin with. A class action Lawsuit should be the minimum response to this game and those involved with the games representation and Wholf was one of those who were lying.

[@Francisco-Danconia]

If you are angry because you bought the game and it wasn't what you thought it would be, direct the anger AT YOURSELF, for not learning from cyberpunk, starfield, battlefield 2042, Fallout 76, etc, etc, because you SHOULD KNOW to wait for reviews. Take accountability for your actions.

[@ykMasiH]

21:00 this guy is telling truth I also think Fntastic made a small minigame from the announcement trailer but it blew up into millions of supporters and they thought like "shit, now we gotta make this game from scratch bcuz we got millions of people awaiting this game now"

[@CurtisBuilds]

That was me who said that in the video haha, I think my theory is correct though

[@K9_3080]

This is like a school project with that 1 guy that doesn't do anything and everyone else is asking him "what have u done so far?" He keeps delaying till the last day and u can tell when he gets to his part it was last minute put together lmfao

[@AbsurdistAsian]

Great video here. I feel sorry for those people who truly believed in the game, but still rational enough to get out of the "volunteer program" while they could. I've been following the drama of this dumpster fire of a game for fun and out of curiousity, knowing full well it's a scam from the beginning, but this gets way more interesting than I thought.

[@KireruDisruptiveSociety]

Btw remember that Nvidia did a RTX on video on this game... bunch of liars the whole bunch

[@WoetotheVanquished]

yeah, Levitate and some guy named Bilbo banned me from the discord for saying "mmo betas were free-to-access back in the day"

[@DruuzilTechGames]

I can't say I find any of this shocking.

[@skinnybob_]

Literally. There were plenty of warning signs for this "game" yet people continued to believe the lies.

[@hades4438]

Wolf, sorry to say that but after your years of experience about game development, you should see the bad signs already and quit on time, for the people and your own sake..

[@sesanti]

Devs are not going to get a lawsuit. Whether Valve decides to delist it or not, I dont know, but there won't be a lawsuit.

[@CurtisBuilds]

Nah I don’t see it happening either to be honest, not after everything I learnt from this call, it just won’t happen. I don’t see Steam de-listing this either.

[@josephbelton1890]

​@@CurtisBuildslol

[@EvanSchatz]

Why does this music sound like you're describing a serial killer 😂

[@CurtisBuilds]

Cause they are serials killers! They murdered the hopes and dreams of millions of gamers :(

[@EvanSchatz]

@@CurtisBuilds lol fair enough, although anybody should've been able to see this scam in action

[@Bavoratu]

Nice Dean Hall is there. I never trusted what tFntastic were pitching after the third video they released, things kept changing,, very shady from the start..

[@petekennedy5639]

Why would they do this though? In this day and age with all the lawsuits and open criticism online from KZbin and social media, it's absolutely mad how they thought they could get away with it. There has to be more to this! Like an information grab or something so they can sell people's data to the highest bidder.

[@ProkerKusaka]

It is just a scam. They already have money. Plan working as intended

[@apfelnudel]

The german discord Moderator also started to harrass me while im streaming and told me "brainless" and my viewers got called "bullsh1t speakers" by him, everything because i tried to ask them in discord why everyone got banned over there. In the german channel, the Moderators actively support users in talk down on my Videos, but still i have 97% likes on every upload about this topic. Every german magazine and channel say the same things like me, the most popular of them is even more critical, but they use me as theit target to attack because the big german news magazine gamestar is the c0ck they want to sukk. While He visited me on stream, the Moderator ignored the questions everyone had, in the end He told us he want to go and said "im out, you are conspiracy theorists" while i have shown all the Features from the list with false advertisement. This is the biggest sh1tshow in have expetienced in gaming history so far. Tanks for your video!

[@VenoXj1]

Klingt ganz schön scheiße, aber hier geht es nicht um dich.

[@TheSiameseDreamer]

Fntastic have announced the studio's closure

[@Vaeroth]

And the studio just posted to Twitter/X it's closure.

[@CurtisBuilds]

Yup just seen this, I'm not even surprised

[@tangentsmith2961]

When you start lying it is just doesn't make you look any better. Ctrl-C Ctrl -V isn't true definitely. They made changes to the assets they have purchased and even other youtubers have noticed that there are different textures have been repainted or at least modified the original ones to the assets from the asset store. So you better be careful making false statements as being on the hype you may go way too far just to end up like these developers.

[@CurtisBuilds]

There was a post on Reddit a few days back, outlining all the assets they used and how they were used in game, most of which was literally copy and pasted. And again, that’s not even the point, people wouldn’t care that they asset flipped, the asset store is there for a reason. What I and many others care about is the statement “don’t accuse us of asset flipping” knowing full well that’s exactly what they done. Modified a few things or not, it wasn’t hard for people to spot and track down each asset they used, and it doesn’t take away the statement made by the guy in the video when he said “they had zero blueprint stuff of their own” to which he is absolutely correct.

[@KotlinSkala-nf6bf]

​@@CurtisBuildsThis is a dude from Russia, where this scam game comes from. Now they are raising the scores on steam to scam more people out of money

[@razenfi2580]

wow just wow, but!, look at all these amazing people, would be dope if they can all work together to make an awesome game!

[@Thaleios]

For all the people who are holding onto some hope that there is a full game build on some server somewhere, you might as well try to get a refund and forget about this game. There is no fully functional and tested build from the trailer a few years ago. It's all just a scripted in-engine demo/poc. A lot of the assets they used in the release didn't even exist until recently, so do yourself a favor and find a better game to play. Who knows, maybe a real development studio will build something like this since there is so much interest.

[@shawns4354]

Why is Dean Hall in there? Wad he trying to take notes for Icarus? Lol

[@MickeyDee420]

Felt bad for soap in the discord, if it was me i would not have done that for such a shitty company i would have just left the discord and cut all ties and let it sort itsself out

[@Restart-Gaming]

what do i think about it this could be a good thing the devs would have to sell the rights to the game and some other dev would pick it up and make it what it should have been just my 2 cents

[@VenoXj1]

That is certainly not how the world works my guy.

[@That_Random_British_Dude]

Oh, they've already done that before. They made a survival game and put it into Early Access, then sold it to another company, so all this will do is justify their laziness

[@Restart-Gaming]

@That_Random_British_Dude I myself don't mind using mostly assets that's what there for and game looks great but they should have told us that and used all of what was shown in the preview clips

[@That_Random_British_Dude]

@@Restart-Gaming Exactly. When I'm making my projects, I use assets I've gathered from the Unreal Marketplace each month since I have no idea how to create my own models, but I thought they'd at least follow standard practise and credit the original asset creators, like Lixien does with his games

[@VenoXj1]

@@That_Random_British_Dude At least someone with a brain.

[@BenB0MB]

Taking advantage of volunteers. Terrible people.

[@DOC_JINGLES]

Heavily

[@ricericebaby_1660]

Thank you for the info. I didn’t buy the game. I waited for it to be released and then I’d make a decision because I’ve been screwed over before and I’m glad I didn’t

[@VenoXj1]

Hey, at least someone with a brain. Nice to see that people like you still exist.

[@ricericebaby_1660]

​@@VenoXj1 Kinda sad, I had a brain tumor and had brain surgery 3years and still have more common sense than some ppl lol

[@VenoXj1]

@@ricericebaby_1660 That's quite an achievement.

[@ricericebaby_1660]

@@VenoXj1 🤣 its kinda scary lol

[@baconious1380]

Easiest way to make money these days. Launch a bs game into early access and make away with millions at the cost of the companies name. Dissolve the company. Start new company and redo it

[@itsMBWAAA]

I’d really like to know why Wolf didn’t want to advertise Grey Zone

[@dragonzord6615]

Probably because him talking about Grey Zone wasn't the topic he was there to discuss and wanted to keep it on topic.

[@itsMBWAAA]

@@dragonzord6615 that’s what I thought/hoped, but given the topic, I was afraid there was some shady stuff going on with that too

[@IndridColdSteveAustin]

Class action lawsuit should happen. Someone call Saul Goodman! Lmao I see they changed the tags to include extraction shooter now. What's crazy to me is the mod that said this isn't an extraction shooter actually had no idea what the game would be, none of them knew anything.

[@banjomir519]

I just fail to understand why anyone with a clear mind would take part in something like this?

[@maddogsteve5507]

Great post curtis . I got through the whole thing I didn't buy this game I'm just hearing about the backlash from it I'm thinking the two brothers who took the money and ran need to be held accountable for this however they could be anywhere once a scammer always a scammer unfortunately I do genuinely feel bad for Wolf he really got the s*** out of the stick but then again so did the players I can't get refunds this kind of stuff should never happen in the gaming industry

[@McSkirmish]

Leaving a comment in support of the volunteers speaking out before fntastic releases the bot comments

[@stefvans6492]

in 1 way this is a good thing that this happened because all future scammers or dodgy developers will be spotted more easily and this era of cash grab without consequences has to stop this idea of releasing a half backed game in alpha its so annoying its like buying a car with 3 wheels and getting ohh yeah dont worry your 4'e wheel is coming soon no full product or nothing

[@rickyjanzen6684]

You'd think so, but with the number of scams throughout even fairly recent history would mean the human race should be virtually immune to scams, yet here we are.

[@indianastilts]

Omg news is blowing up right now!! They have officially closed down, announced it and ran with the money

[@CurtisBuilds]

Steam need to refund everybody

[@yvannenikolainethercott5709]

Fundtastic had me chuckling.

[@Alucard463]

It’s funny becouse the head mod is claiming to be making a game called itemday and when looking at it it’s a completely rip off propnight. Of in which is a game by the devs of the day before. And not only that he was the head mod for prop night. This shit is a web of lies

[@maegnificant]

What is this "day" obsession? :D

[@Alucard463]

Bro what is there obsession with making shitty games and dropping all support immediately

[@thaiblood962]

Yeah it's the French mod Bakery or whatever he's calling itself. He's just that kind of attention whore seeking for some fame as he is no one.

[@Oldschool1943]

they kept interuping him and shit like let the dude fucking talk got damn.

[@Bavoratu]

Hellion was great, Dean Hall was talking about it at 47:00 . I still have my copy I bought on my Steam list, you cant buy Hellion anymore.. great space survival game that should have another chance.

[@takujaba6746]

Whoever was asking the questions with a plague doctor profile picture, they REALLY don't know how to properly ask questions, it seems.

[@CurtisBuilds]

Really? I thought he was pretty decent, so makes you think that? I’ve no idea who he is

[@takujaba6746]

@@CurtisBuilds they speak way too much, should've either prepared a script, or made their questions shorter. It was kinda funny to hear a 10-second question, only for the response to be "uhhhh yeah"

[@juggernaut3576]

So this guy doing the AMA is "Wolf", the guy that moderated the discord and volunteer team for the last years? I also see a profile picture of Dean Hall in there a and a guy that almost sounds like him (around 46:05 for example) giving some info on steam. Was he part of this discussion?

[@rejchartrand]

That is correct

[@johnligon2368]

Great,"Radio Drama"!

[@indianastilts]

Question for you all. What actually happened to all that footage of the long trailer gameplay we all saw. I mean it was real as they made it but then they took it all out, as it was scripted...but where is it? Did they just literally make all that as a cinematic animation? Then they released that other version that looked more cartoonish...what happened to all that. Did they just delete it. I mean it was created but for show only and wool over everyones eyes....but it was still created so wondering...where is it

[@CurtisBuilds]

They removed all videos off their channel, go to IGN KZbin channel, they’re all still there. A few other gaming channels / new websites still have the videos too, be worth downloading them before they get ripped down

[@indianastilts]

@CurtisBuilds hey, question is though, all those videos came from an in game engine. It was literally there and seen in all those videos. They removed all in final release but question is I wonder...where is all that stuff they made. The abilities, the assets, the systems and animations....where is it all gone

[@CurtisBuilds]

@@indianastiltsSo my theory, and this is only a theory but I think is very very likely the case, is that they built small map segments in Unreal and it was nothing more than rendered in-game cinematic scenes, polished it right up and released as actual in-game footage. These segments were likely playable but it would of been very very small scale and heavily polished. Applying this level of detail and polish would of resulted in the game taking a lot longer / needing a LOT more people. I truly believe they made this trailer footage to gauge response and then when it went viral they were like "okay we need to build this game now" It's nothing more than a lie that got out of hand. There was never any actual game using the stuff seen in the trailers, nothing more than unreal engine cinematics. Something most people could do with patience, practice and time dedicated to learning unreal.

[@indianastilts]

@CurtisBuilds great explanation and yes completely agree with you as that was my thoughts. Wow just crazy the lengths they go. I hope Karma hits them and they get accountable for what they have done

[@claire6650]

@@CurtisBuilds My theory is that they might have had the product they showed originally, but when the war with ukraine happened and the devs relocated entirely, they just had to start from 0 and quickly made what was released within a limited time frame, just for it to "look" like, with new staff and new person in charge The original trailer didnt look like any thing crazy.

[@JADC1111]

We need coffeezilla on this

[@bochup87]

force gaming did all the research like months or a yr ago, so i can see that coming from miles away.

[@chaoticmind176]

I think these mods were treated badly but i must say this are only some comments from angry ex mods and they did not answer a question that was asked a few times. The question of : is this a early version bc the devs are holding the newer version in hostage because they didnt get payed. Each time somebody asked that , the mods came with a other story to avoid the question. Imo steam must not delist it until there is some info from actual devs or exdevs and if there is found a way to refund the people who still play it and enjoy it for what it is. I do believe the studio did very scummy things but if false advertising is a reason to delist a game then boy ! steam has to do a lot of delisting bc lot of games are guilty of that, maybe not many in the same degree but this game is really not the only one.

[@solidicone]

If they had tried to do this like 10 years ago it might of worked. You just can't get away with this kinda shit these days at least not nearly as cleanly. This is coming from a dude who drools over all the new kinds of games like this that go into early access and even I was like naw, thats a scam. Im hoping this results in this studio just not being a studio anymore.

[@somerandomguy4240]

*have

[@gifford1984]

7000 ppl arr trying to hype it and trying to over sale it. It's basically fraud.

[@harrisonrg777]

so who made the scripted trailers? why did it look better in those trailers??

[@drabent99]

And 5-6 guys on twitch still playing it live.........

[@shedhed8482]

alright so we got people talking on stream etc how do we know that its actually these people they didnt introduce them selfs or what they worked on the game etc so how do we know not all made up?

[@CurtisBuilds]

If you had been following the game you’d know all about Wholf and the others, they’re quite well known from the Reddit & Discord side of things for The Day Before

[@Daemon1995_]

biggest scam of the decade in the gaming industry

[@cammybrown1626]

I still havent got my cash back from steam 😂 wanted to see for myself. Didnt even make it onto a server before refunding 😂

[@CurtisBuilds]

People online have claimed to have put in 10+ requests before finally getting it, keep pushing. Steam know the amount of controversy surrounding this game, they will back down otherwise It'll look like bad PR on their part.

[@cammybrown1626]

@CurtisBuilds they said they have issued the refund on 7th.. I guess it will show up in my bank eventually 🤣

[@VellPlayed]

@@cammybrown1626 my friend who bought the game and wanted me to play it with him.. gifted it to me and i refundet it for him and also his version got refunded.. there is still hope ,)

[@DEVILISHOUL]

thisw whole interview was pointless nothing what we already knew ( in context They dont know anything) unless you talk to a actual dev. lol

[@hellwolfz6456]

I posted on fntastic main Twitter pages months ago to warn players not to buy this game. It seemed fishy as fuck. To many red flags from the last two year to now. Shame the game has so much potential.shame its got a bunch of blue waffles running the company.

[@jozztv1661]

Hope they get sued for making this shit game and lying about it.

[@nachgeben]

This was painful. Don't ask essays for questions. Especially for people who are ESL. What's wrong with you? Man is struggling to reply as it is and has to follow 5000 word dissertations serving as questions.

[@WyattChurp]

All Bullshit aside all this has done is give me disbelief from here on with any game being developed unless it’s a top publisher and even then feels like our government controls the video game industry as well with all the lies

[@bondi9mmgaming304]

Levitate is aweful

[@pex2582]

Anyone that thought they would have a game wasn't paying attention I saw the game 3 times and it was different every time. There's no way they could live up to the hype that they had for that game. People need to start expecting the worst and hoping for the best .

[@baconious1380]

We called it a scam and got heavy criticism for being a pessimist. But guess what. I didn’t get scammed tho 😂

[@FatherandSon996]

So they made a quick buck, which they gonna lose soon, wouldn’t it be better to actually make the game good and live of of that for many years to come, they could of literally become set for life, for themselves and their kids, grandkids and so on with this.

[@YoutubeCrittic]

..and I am still trying to get my money back from steam.

[@CurtisBuilds]

They've said they're working with Steam to refund everyone, so you should be able to

[@YoutubeCrittic]

@@CurtisBuilds I finally got a refund.

[@gu9838]

we can do without the clickbait tiles though

[@CurtisBuilds]

I mean, I don't consider it clickbait, it is shocking truths that were revealed, there was so much people didn't know

[@alexschmidt7947]

It s a form/kind of fraud. Period.

[@efxnews4776]

Creepy business