THE DAY TERMINATOR DIED

The Terminator has been one of the most loved and most hated series in all of cinematic history. Today we take a look back at the highs and lows of the Terminator franchise and figure out where it all went wrong. From the movie series' Genisys to it's Dark Fate. This is the best and worst of Terminator.
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[@micpere1991]

Terminator 1&2 are the only good films in the series. Everything after more or less treads the same series bits. The T-800 in T1 was lethal, so was the T-1000 in T2. The Terminators in later films do the cliché throw the protagonist across room instead of just killing them right on the spot.

[@0verWay]

Salvation was pretty ok. The Terminator Resistance game's story is also pretty good and harmonizes well with the first two movies.

[@micpere1991]

@@0verWay Resistance is solid for the budget it had.

[@YSL8704]

Thats your opinion some people may like terminater 3 ,4 ,5 , or 6 too

[@oliverqueen9886]

I find Battle across Time to be the True Terminator 3. Its too bad we never got for Terminator 3 a Movie version of that 3d Movie Ride at Universal Studios

[@oliverqueen9886]

@@micpere1991 yeah I hear many say Terminator Resistance game is the true Terminator 4.

[@nehemiahnealy1853]

They should of put the Deleted scene in Terminator 2 were Sarah was old, speaking into a recording, Humanity was peaceful in a new future, John had kids and the studio decided not to put it in. That would of shown people that the Terminator franchise had concluded.

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

I pretty much accept that as how the series ended. T3, Gensis and especially Dark Fate never happened, Skynet wa stopped, Sarah and John lived peaceful live and everyone was happy.

[@slammydunk9787]

It was a right call to not put this ending in the theatrical version cause its going against theme of the movie but nowadays… yeah its providing closure for terminator fans.

[@Jamessmith-xk3fh]

When they thought of doing a part 3 it should have been sort of the story Salvation told. Showing John grown up trying to take down Skynet to stop the Terminators from being created

[@thewolfofwallstreet627]

Not really. Look at Bill and Ted's franchise. If you honestly watch "Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey", it was rather OBVIOUS that the whole film was a conclusion to that franchise, and how it even wrapped up showing how Bill and Ted finally became rock legends to unite the world...only for "Bill and Ted Face the Music" to retcon all of that crap, and say "Oh you thought that was the ending? Nope. That final concert that we built up like it was going to manifest Bill and Ted's destinies was a lie, and they didn't accomplish shit. Now come watch the REAL conclusion to their story...dur...." Trust me, they would've found a way. Heck, the last two movies even showed they're not above retconning stuff, so they would've easily just retconned that ending anyways, so yeah...

[@faz1483]

That wouldn't have changed a thing. The studio would have ignored that ending or cancelled it with time travel. The money would have found a way. Personally I like the darker ending of with the highway

[@Deathstroke4200]

I've always liked Salvation only because it shows the actual "war".

[@clonetrooper2003]

It also got a comic series finale called **Termiantor Salvation: The Final Battle**

[@MoostachedSaiyanPrince]

The thing I REALLY hate about everything after T2 isn't just that they're forcing the continuation of a story that already had a very good conclusion, but they did so in a way that completely invalidates the theme that the story had built up to. In T2, they raise the question of whether or not Skynet and Judgement day were truly inevitable, which is also the idea of whether or not you can change your destiny, and whether or not you can stop something that's seemingly inevitable. And T2 answered that question with a victorious YES. The message of T2 was that you can change the world, and you can change the future, and although it's difficult, it's not impossible. Then every movie after that (with the possible exception of Salvation, as I haven't seen it) tells you that no, you can't stop the inevitable, and you can't stop destiny, you can only delay or postpone it. And that makes the entire series from the end of 3 onwards feel like there's absolutely no hope for a better future, there's only a miserable battle for survival. And that feels like a spit in the face to the story told in the first two films. And this is ESPECIALLY true in Dark Fate, because not only does it reinforce the inevitability of destiny/fate by making an AI apocalypse that comes from a completely different source, but it even does so by killing the previously established "destined savior" and replacing him with a new one. So now not only does the fated destruction of humanity feel completely inevitable and make the story entirely hopeless on the grand scale, but the idea that John Conner is replaceable also makes the story of EVERY movie before it meaningless and hopeless on a personal level as well. This leaves us with the knowledge that the struggles of Sarah Conner, Kyle Reese, John Conner, and the one really good Terminator unit are all a complete waste of time that amounted to absolutely nothing. This is because we now know that even if Sarah had died in the first Terminator, someone else would've come along and filled John Conner's role in humanity's bleak future. And even if Skynet is/was prevented from being made, another AI will rise instead destroy humanity. So it ultimately, there was no hope to begin with, and any movie that might come out in the future will be just as pointless because there are no longer any stakes in these time travel plots. If humanity wins, another AI will come along later to destroy them. The AI kills humanities savior before they have a chance to lead the resistance, and another human will rise instead. So the conflict becomes nothing more than a cycle of violence and futility. The only logical way the franchise could continue now would be to show the actual war against the AI that takes place in the future. Though the problem with that idea is that they've already tried it with Salvation, and it didn't do all that well. And although I think that was largely because of the failures of T3, I still can't imagine a futuristic follow-up to Dark Fate will do any better. TLDR: This franchise is a rotting carcass that was killed by greed, shortsightedness, and idiotic writing.

[@shawklan27]

Well said

[@oliverqueen9886]

Have you seen or heard of battle across time. James Cameron did it after t2 and I dont understand why he didn't make that into a 2 to 3 hr movie version.

[@mercenaryknight5419]

Seconded on all. Salvation was the only good one after 2 because it focused on the Future War.

[@oliverqueen9886]

@@mercenaryknight5419 have you ever seen/been on battle across time 3d movie ride? I agree that of the sequel films after t2 salvation was the best. Its what we wanted after t2. Battle across time was made by James Cameron and came out after t2 and I was expecting t3 to be similar to that ride but in a 2 to 3 hr movie format focusing on the war which is what I wanted after t2. To see how the humans won the war battle across time showed us that the humans blew up skynet and the most powerful machine the t 1million was its protector they had to fight. I think the Harvester in salvation is the 2nd most powerful machine in the franchise. If the Harvester and T 1million fought it would be like King Kong vs Godzilla.

[@oliverqueen9886]

@@mercenaryknight5419 i heard the person who made salvation originally planned on it being a triolgy like lord of the rings 3 films to show the humans defeat the machines. But unfortunately the movie made less money than what they spent on it and went bankrupt until years later someone else bought the franchise rights to make a terminator movie and decided to give us another terrible film with genesis.

[@p.h.i.lcongure9168]

I honestly can’t get enough of terminator 2. It’s damn near flawless

[@dynamicdave2647]

It is flawless. Best sequel ever. Changed cinema forever

[@pdmore123]

T1 is also flawless.

[@joeparrigen4982]

It was an experience seeing it in theaters.

[@Stevenirons]

@@pdmore123 it's main flaw is it's dated CGI

[@lonnieeastin6401]

Take out "damn near", and you are spot on Phil. I thought the first one was flawless, too. (Dodgy rubber Arnold heads aside) When Kyle Reese is explaining the future to Sarah Conner while simultaneously hot wiring a car. I BOUGHT IN!!! BIG TIME!!! And Sarah Conner in the second one! The most terrifying lady this side of Ripley from Alien(s). If I saw her, I would run screaming. Even if she didn't know who I was. Why take chances?

[@geardog24]

Remember when Peacemaker's dad was a liquid metal cyborg? Good times.

[@bigchocolate4252]

I liked terminator salvation. It showed us the future that they wanted to prevent. Also, it’s so different. They weren’t rehashing old ideas. It had its own identity

[@HD_Hates]

for me it wasnt good enough. it looked nothing like the world we saw in Reese's flashback . the people in terminator salvation were too clean and too buff and didnt even remotely look like they were living in hell .

[@faz1483]

@@HD_Hates Exactly. We have giant Transformers, soldiers who look like models. This is a shiny, polished version of the T2 future war dumbed down for younger kids. Remember in the flashbacks from the first two films? People were eating rats, dirty, living in filth. I understand Salvation took place a few years before, but mototerminators lol? lame

[@HD_Hates]

@@faz1483 not to mention that giant terminator-transformer that can apparently sneak up on people confined in a gas station store . and the people in that future looked way too pretty for people living in a world of living hell.

[@bigchocolate4252]

@@faz1483 well Reese’s future was 2029. Salvation was 2018. I assume that’s why we didn’t see them eat rats and stuff like that. There’s a gradual decline

[@clonetrooper2003]

Yeah. It also got a comic sequel called terminator salvation the final battle

[@joeker5208]

I love the Terminator franchise. It had two hit wonders and was done. There were only TWO films, nothing more. Thank you time travel paradox

[@markmagician2471]

3 wasn't THAT awful to me after that was the downfall

[@joeker5208]

@@markmagician2471 3? I’m sorry I think you’re talking about a fan film. There’s only TWO installments in the series

[@Thunderchild-gz4gc]

@@markmagician2471 T3 is awful

[@dfunkt2291]

I know he's not talking series, but I like to add Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles on to the end of that list... but yes I concur: There were only two films in the Terminator franchise.

[@oliverqueen9886]

I consider Battle Across Time the true Terminator 3. It sucks we never got a movie version of that ride. It was done after Terminator 2, had the original actors return and was done by James Cameron unlike the sequels after t2

[@RichterPhallos]

It died for me at Terminator 3. "No fate but what we make" my ass. Edit: I agree with you. Terminator Salvation was a good flick, where as Terminator Genysis was the "Ghostbusters 2016". I haven't even bothered with Dark Fate.

[@Terminal_Apotos]

I beg of you, Don’t watch Dark Fart

[@vietnamd0820]

@@Terminal_Apotos Dark Fart 😂

[@GOBIAS.INDUSTRIES.]

Salvation was pretty solid. If they could've made that one the 3rd film and only focused on sending Reese back instead of the hybrid human\machine plot, it would've been a solid trilogy 👍🏽

[@_Tokenwhtguy]

Dark Fate is more of a 2016 Ghostbusters imo. Strong independent wahmen, who don't need no man to kill terminators.

[@lorenzomendiola5348]

Honestly, Dark Fate really was the final mark on the coffin for shittin on the fans who actually cared about the franchise. Literal spit in the face for those who loved t1 and 2

[@theavocado6061]

Dude Robert Patrick was incredible in T2.

[@angelaholmes8888]

I really like your ranking of the terminator films Here's my ranking 1. Terminator 2 2. The terminator 3. Terminator salvation 4. The rise of the machines 5. Terminator dark fate 6. Terminator genesis

[@screwmysisterleon]

100% agreed

[@venomdeathskull4183]

@@screwmysisterleon same

[@inaciotrinita]

I agree with your list😉👍👍

[@grimreaper5264]

Heres my list: 1. Terminator: Genisys 2. Terminator Salvation 3. Terminator 2: Judgement Day 4. The Terminator 5. Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines 6. Terminator: Dark Fate

[@venomdeathskull4183]

@@grimreaper5264 I disagree with Genesis but I 100% agree when it comes to Darth fate

[@robotsaysbeebooboop]

They killed John Connor in the opening scene in dark fate. That automatically makes it the worst, because the story had us believe John was the focal point, then with this steaming pile, they wokeified and "subverted expectations".

[@jamestkirkcameron9189]

That got leaked well before the movie was released and it's why I never went to see it. I saw they replaced him with a female poc of course. F off Woke fate.

[@Eluzian86]

Terminator Salvation failed predominantly because they changed the aesthetic of the future war. In the first film Kyle Reese specifically states that it's safer to move around at night and that the HK's have infrared. The battles are also always depicted at night. In Terminator Salvation they have Kyle Reese say it's safer to move around in the daytime because your body's heat signature can blend in with the background heat caused by the sun. So a lot of the fighting happened during the day. If you change the aesthetic, it doesn't matter how accurate everything else is, it will never feel right. The saddest part about that is all they had to do was make the War Against the Machines fit the very basic descriptions provided in the first couple of movies, and they didn't do it.

[@DirtyJamesUK]

I like The Terminator (T1) the most. I love it. I think it's an absolute classic. It's cold, iconic, horrific, laughably dated in places, but it feels the most adult, real and scary. The threat of the Terminator was really huge and the relief when it was finally over was epic. I know I'm in a vast minority but I prefer it to T2. The pace of the proceedings and the epic soundtrack just feel so good.

[@JWUniverse]

This is why I say make a New Terminator TV Series where its in the Future where John and Crew have to try and survive long enough to send Kyle back in time. By the end of the Series. No BS schemes just plain and simple storytelling!… Only thing I’d say do is show the evolution of how they go from Bullets to Laser weapons!

[@inaciotrinita]

Good ideia👍👍

[@johndoe-ek1qs]

I could live a movie series doing that... let john Connor take his lead and fight the machines...

[@kellijones6481]

Love the video, I know you don’t do many wrestling videos anymore but just thought I’d say, RIP Scott Hall. A pioneer of professional wrestling

[@bigdumbjosh]

Respect 🙏

[@GTA2SWcity]

Indeed. Much respect for Scott Hall.

[@brettmajors69karaoke]

A lot of folks like movies and pro wrestling- Hall was a game changer.!

[@Knightfall-Batman]

Please forgive me, Vee Infuso, but there’s one thing about Terminator Salvation the you should know about. Nostalgia critic pointed this out in his review of the movie during terminator month last year. Originally the movie was supposed to end with John Connor dying from his injuries, but Marcus would be wearing John Connor‘s skin and thinking of the mantle as mankind’s savior. To keep the legend alive.

[@raizenmazoku1519]

Glad they didnt do this. that sounds so fucking stupid.

[@AussieDragoon]

@@raizenmazoku1519 I think it's operating under the idea that anyone can be John Connor, he's an idea more than a person which means that so long as someone somewhere knows his name, his legend can live on and the machines can never really win. It also plays into why no actor has really nailed being future leader John Connor, because no one person ever really could.

[@raizenmazoku1519]

@@AussieDragoon I got the message. its the execution I think is stupid. If thats the message I think it would have worked better if john died, and his old lady stepped up and used his death, plus the legend of his name and all that, to inspire and motivate the troops to fight harder and they won that way. This would have honored john in a better way than stealing his face and lying to people. I think this is more meaningful than a face swap. They never say how john won the war, its only heavily implied that he is the sole reason they would, so maybe this is how they won to begin with. Maybe his death is what empowered the resistance to fight harder and maybe thats why skynet had to resort to time travel and remove him from existence completely. instead of just using overwhelming force to kill him in the future. Cause every time they killed him it just made the humans fight even harder. What happens in T3 supports this theory. The t1000 said he killed john connor, on july 4 2032, before kate brewster reprogrammed him amd sent him back. So if john connor was killed why did skynet send the TX back to not only kill him but also kill kate and 20 others. The only reason it would do this after johns death is because Kate was leading the resistance to victory after johns death. If you think about it skynet could have used time travel to undo every victory john would've accomplished in order to win. really there's no reason they should have lost if they can just Edge of Tomorrow that shit til they win and kill john in the present. I get that edge of tomorrow was different it reset the day instead of sending something to the past, but sending one terminator back with future knowledge and a winning strategy, is pretty much the same as one man with the ability to reset the day and change the outcome. Thats all skynet would need to do, to undo any resistince victory. The only thing that makes sense, is that it was always fate for humanity to win, no matter what skynet tried to change in battle, and maybe removing john from the future timeline, was the only thing that could change that fate.

[@MAMoreno]

And on the next episode of Star Trek, Captain Kirk dies, leaving Ensign Mary Sue to take over as the new captain. Yeah, Salvation was always going to be terrible, and the rewrite may have saved it from being even more terrible.

[@ImmortalRimas]

The most logical next & final step that should have happened for the franchise preferably a few years after or at least no later than 1999 (as actors ages, becoming Governors & shit) after T2 should been a more superiorly executed T3 set in the Future War where the plot should have been about how the war was won and how everyone was sent back in time in one Sequel/Prequel hybrid Film capping off what would have been a great Trilogy Box Set today. More money could have been made off of one Terminator Trilogy alone in re-releases on home media and anniversary screenings in theatres every decade or so

[@marcgonzalez9690]

I think the progress into sequel/prequels seems logical now but I don't think that was an "in" thing back in the late 90s

[@DirtMaguirk]

Yeah IMO, the natural progression of the franchise should have been Reese's timeline in the future war and loop it back to the first movie.

[@GOBIAS.INDUSTRIES.]

@@DirtMaguirk Agreed. They really could've looped the stories of 1 AND 2 in one solid movie. It could show the war from Reese and Connor's perspective, then show how Reese & the T800 were sent back in the first and the 2nd T800 & T1000 sent back for part 2.

[@eatatjoes6751]

I actually think The Terminator works as a trilogy. That is it.

[@clonetrooper2003]

Why not salvation. Its story did get concluded in a comic series titled the final battle

[@RaikenXion]

I think what this really boils down to is the fact you had all these creatives in the 70s & 80s, Lucas, Spielberg, Scott and Cameron (and more), who somehow managed to get certain studios to take a chance on them. they were allowed to tell the kinds of stories they wanted to tell, which were so unique and then by the time these movies became so hugely successful and iconic even; the Hollywood studio being the big "business" that it is, in the case of "Terminator" franchise. they just wanted to repeat the same structure of the original first two films, constantly thinking from a business angle of what it thinks the "paying customer/audience" want to see; instead of actually allowing the narrative to flow and progress naturally, which is what should have happened with all the terminator sequels. that way the story after t2 judgement day would have evolved and flowed nicely into the "Future War", any terminator fan know this makes perfect sense.

[@tankart150]

Rather than creatives producing their vision with the studios paying for it, the power has flipped to the corporation’s vision, with the creative’s paying for it. It’s not just within movies, it’s also with theme park rides. Disney used to build rides not based off a movie, like Expedition Everest for example, but everything new they build nowadays seems to be dictated by corporate spreadsheets.

[@thomasffrench3639]

Well the film industry had a crash in the 60s because of television’s popularity, so the industry had to change, so they had more creative freedom. Once the industry stabilized in the 80s that stopped happening

[@RaikenXion]

​@@thomasffrench3639 the trouble with the film industry as a whole is they always want to aim a product at the majority of viewers and something is never going to appeal to everybody. It's like when a particular film comes out and theres a huge hype - Jaws, et, starwars, terminator. As soon as Hollywood catch a whiff that everyone is talking about that film and getting excited for it, they have to milk it for all it's worth then when it comes to a sequel, they blindly stick to the same format, thinking doing the same thing again is what people will want to see, but by that point novelty has worn out and theres nothing new or original left. this is why the strongest sequels in history such as empire and judgement day are so successful and beloved, cause they were bold enough to change things up and keep building a narrative. Also tv had alot to with it but was also the old dogs running Hollywood knew they had to modernize by allowing in a new generation of filmmakers and change with the times, cause genres like the western were getting stale, and everyone was starting to look toward space by the late 60s, cause of the space race.

[@thomasffrench3639]

@@RaikenXion the reason why they had freedom is not because the corporations changed their tune on creativity, it was because they had no idea what to do to get a profit.

[@RaikenXion]

​@@thomasffrench3639 Yes because other genres like the western were dying off, and on a subconscious level young people especially, in the public had seen some of the horrors of the Vietnam War from the news pumping that daily; Watergate Scandal and Kennedy bros assassinations, these were all things that had shocked people, and was making the public wise up to things more. Suddenly this evolving audience was becoming more sophisticated, the audiences who enjoyed "I love Lucy", the Dick Van Dycke show and the Lone Ranger were slowly fading away, fine & dandy pleasant entertainment such as that was not washing with people anymore. this is specifically what i meant regarding the Hollywood Industry knowing it had to change, that's when the town took risks and allowed experimental filmmakers such as Lucas, Coppola, D'palma, Scorcese and Spielberg through the door. Much to those sacred cows at hollywood, reluctance, who were master filmmakers and elite producers, many ofwhich were scoffing at the kinds of new "movies" these fresh out of filmschool, directors were making; calling the likes of Jaws and Apoc Now "Not Real Cinema"; and yet audiences of the time were loving these, new, experimental films, they were making Money, they were "Blockbusters".

[@MEEZLEMONSTER]

I'll die on the hill that "T3" was actually pretty good. Never seen the subsequent films, but I've always been intrigued to give "Salvation" a watch...

[@LateNightPerson]

Finally another T3 fan!

[@vaughnparkes]

@@LateNightPerson Me too! And it deserves to be higher on the list.

[@tradedavid]

T3 is no where near as bad a movie as people make it out to be. They just say that because it came after T2.

[@davidaames1624]

Terminator 1 and 2 are two of the most iconic movies of all time, Terminator 3 wasn't as good as first 2 but it will always have a special place in my heart it came out when I 14 and it reminds me of a simple time in my life but the movies that came after t3 were all awful.

[@faz1483]

I can totally appreciate you having nostalgia for T3. But that is truly an awful film and destroyed the Terminator franchise. Pink sunglasses? Talk to the hand? T3 is just as awful as what came after.

[@jamestkirkcameron9189]

I was also a teenager when I saw T3 in theatres. I was very disappointed, as I had high hopes like many of us did. Nick Stahls' John Conner was a big let down. He was an unconfident, drug using, small, weakling of a man, who in no way resembled the John Conner character we had from Furlong. Also, no Sarah Conner. Linda Hamilton read the script, was unimpressed, and declined to sign on. Also, like the previous commenter said, "talk to the hand" and the sunglasses scene did not at all belong. They absolutely killed the vibe of the movie for a couple of chuckles. And finally the ending. We're supposed to believe that the only reason John became the leader of the resistance is because he was in the right place at the right time with a radio in his hand? Gimme a break...

[@michelletackett9489]

I am glad you mentioned the fan film Skynet. That was so good and it would've been a good ending to the series.

[@acimagination7982]

ya i know. i watched that fan fic too. im sure it was made because of what happened in terminator dark fate. the fan fic connects with terminator 1-3 and salvation. short it be but also works as a ending.

[@JohnnyTong215]

A future war movie is what we all want!!! Salvation did it so why not make it Saving Private Ryan meets Star Wars!!! No more time traveling!!!!

[@faz1483]

If salvation would have had balls and truly made it a war film in the vein of Saving Private Ryan maybe Terminator wouldn't be in such a shit hole. I think the opening of Saving Private Ryan type battle was exactly what we needed from Terminator. Sadly we got a PG13 film aimed at younger children.

[@shalindelta7]

@@faz1483 salvation was still great and should have spawned a new trilogy. The moment i heard they decided not to do that and make genesis insted, was the moment i knew this franchise was fucked.

[@faz1483]

@@shalindelta7 I respectfully disagree it was great. It's not complete trash like Genesis, but it's a watered down Terminator film geared to kids. I give credit to some of the ideas but still a thumbs down for me. Agree, I would much rather have continued with a sequel to Salvation rather than the garbage that was Genesis, but Salvation was nowhere near the quality the franchise deserved. But I think the franchise was fucked when Arnie put on the pink sunglasses in T3. And this idea that every new Terminator film needs to start a trilogy, so they can't tell a complete story.

[@HeezNeez]

After Dark Fate, I finally let it go, and came to terms with the fact that we’re never getting the future war we saw in the first two. I mean, the ending of T2 is as definitive as you want it to be, which is exactly why I spent like 30 years desperately holding on to the franchise, but now it’s just beautiful closure. I still get teary eyed at the thumbs up, and I’ve seen that shit literally like 100 times. One thing that’s sort of a funny side note, you gotta give McG credit. He made the best post Cameron sequel. It was a pretty shit movie in it’s own right, but man at least he went for it. He didn’t just make another chase movie, or shoehorn Arnold into a lead role just because. He had a unique vision, and dove right in. It’s just too bad he’s not very good at making movies. Edit: I wrote this before watching the video, and yeah I guess we agree.

[@Eluzian86]

I said the same thing to my wife, that we're 100% never going to get the future war as originally depicted. She responded with, "Well then you write it". I'm now in the process of planning my own book series to cover the future war in detail from Judgement Day to the end. As it stands currently it would be 11 books. I'm seeing the potential that Hollywood is entirely blind to.

[@TrueBlueMajikDewd]

Idk if you play video games, but you should play Terminator Resistance.

[@TrueBlueMajikDewd]

@@Eluzian86 The Terminator Resistance video game was good. Check it out.

[@HeezNeez]

@@TrueBlueMajikDewd I’ve never played it, but I’ve been meaning to, and I actually watched a full play through a while ago. No doubt, it’s probably the most faithful vision of the war we’ll ever get.

[@Xolanidj]

So here’s another weird thing about how they keep bring back Arnold to play different Terminators. In T1, it was shown that T-800s can look like many different humans, due to their use of human flesh and skin. There wasn’t an army of them who all looked like Arnold. And anything that is a T-1000 or higher can shapeshift into whatever or whoever they touch. So according to the storyline that makes sense, there is no reason to bring back any Terminator that looks like Arnold, after T2.

[@Christopher_Vose]

How could you do this review without bringing up Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles! It was easily the best Terminator since T2, which, admittedly isn't saying a lot, but it's closer to the first two films in quality than the last four.

[@DirtMaguirk]

The SC Chronicles is a great faithful companion piece,. Too bad they cut it short, especially when I wanted to dive piece into Shirley Manson's character.

[@justinhammer3196]

It was a good show. Surprisingly, but still good.

[@tomre2769]

Yepp, it was nice. Abit teen drama John, but still good.

[@robertparker6280]

Ive always been hesitant about watching that show. So it's a good watch?

[@Christopher_Vose]

@@robertparker6280 It's a small investment to watch the first season. Give it a try, if you like it, watch the whole thing. I think it's only like 31 episodes all told. It began as a midseason replacement. Fox decided to cancel it after two seasons, as Fox renewed Dollhouse, and didn't want two expensive Sci-Fi shows at the same time. Fox made a lot of poor decisions.

[@grapeshot]

I do like to scene when him and the female Terminator was fighting in the bathroom. I also like Terminator Salvation because it had A-10 Warthogs in it. And I got to see them in action when I was in the army. That's 30 mm cannon with uranium depleted bullets isn't no joke. The bull moose is on the loose.

[@mangodango1733]

I love flying guns with a cockpit

[@willier47]

If you cover the Sarah Connor Chronicles then... "I'll be back."

[@septers-storm]

Salvation is actually my favorite terminator, mostly cause it's the first one I was old enough to comprehend. I still love t2 but I still really love salvation

[@advocateofkaos3246]

Salvation was the last good movie wish we got a better more expanded version of that movie

[@angelaholmes8888]

Yeah I really enjoyed salvation it was the last good film in the franchise plus it's the only film that is set in the future

[@oliverqueen9886]

I enjoy the T1 and T2. Battle Across Time if you count the whole ride experience when it was at Universal Studios was awesome too. I feel its the true terminator 3. I was hoping the 3rd movie was going to be like that ride more focused on the war and having the T 1million but unfortunately t3 wasn't done by James Cameron and instead was just a cheap copy of t1 and t2 all over again

[@tankart150]

I agree

[@manticore4952]

I felt exactly the same and was in shock when I went to see T3.

[@sirg-had8821]

The Terminator movies ended at the end of T2 in the theater. Series over, story told, take the victory lap. Go out on top like the champion you are.

[@Cyril29a]

You absolutely nailed the order of worst to best. 100% agree

[@andrewpatterson2106]

I completely agree. I remember watching T2 in the 90’s. It was such an epic movie. A perfect end to the terminator franchise. Everything since then has gone downhill. I used to think salvation was horrible. Now it’s the best one since T2 haha

[@kildogery]

I hated 3, so I was scared off Salvation, although I've always been curious. 3 and the last two (which I will never see) can be shot into the sun.

[@KassieKane]

Terminator salvation is very underrated ..it wasn’t nearly as bad as the others. It’s not without its flaws but it did do some things right and made for an interesting take on the story

[@ZeroSA]

Salvation had the ability to be really good but was still a big let down, always wanted to see a terminator future but then they actually did it. Also them putting John Connor on a t shirt in the first 5 minutes of dark fate was a bold AF move, but then the rest of the movie happened.

[@oliverqueen9886]

Yeah a movie on the War is what we wanted after T2. But instead t3 gave us a cheap copy of t1 and t2 all over again. Battle Across Time is the true T3 for me. The films we got after t2 are fan fiction for me.

[@mercenaryknight5419]

Salvation still was better than all the others after T2.

[@oliverqueen9886]

@@mercenaryknight5419 i wonder how part 2 and 3 of salvation would have been. Im guessing part 3 would have given us the t 1million. Salvation definitely was the best idea to do after t2 for a 3rd termination film focus on the war. Yeah it had some problems on how it executed part 1 of the war. It could have been alot better than what we got or maybe part 2 and 3 would have been better of the war. But it definitely is way better than t3 5 and 6.

[@angelaholmes8888]

@@mercenaryknight5419 I have to agree terminator salvation is the only movie I have ever rewatched besides terminator 1 and terminator 2

[@Redmist-se7ld]

The Sarah Connor chronicles was also the best part sticking true to the first 2 movies

[@captain_dsz6049]

im very interested in seeing coverage of all the things you teased such as talking about how good t2 is or the comics and video games review etc

[@megan2484]

I am glad you acknowledge the ending of T3 was good.

[@jamestkirkcameron9189]

Was it though? The reason John Connor became the leader is because of being in the right place, at the right time, holding a radio? That was weak. I had no confidence in his ability to lead humanity by the end of the movie.

[@megan2484]

@@jamestkirkcameron9189 I like the fact the prophecy became true.

[@TheBeastlyTaco94]

Would love an in depth analysis of T-2 from you vee

[@WaynesWorld12]

T1 and T2 are the only ones that matter.

[@PreKGam3r]

Yea good vid 👍 absolutely agree with your worst to best list. Of course 1 & 2 are interchangeable but exactly same as my list

[@cronos4040]

Great video. I also recommend the game that came out a few years ago, Terminator Resistance. It has a new set of characters set entitely in the war, and only considers T-1 and T-2 while telling its own story.

[@rowantritton8659]

Hell yeah, I’d love to see your take on the expanded universe, especially the comics and TV series… just don’t be too harsh on my favourite parts of the franchise :D

[@michaelrodriguez2829]

Nooooooooooooo Why did this have to go bad..

[@Tony-1971]

I remember the first one coming out when i was in secondary school back in the 80's. Rented it out at the video store and i was absolutely blown away by how good it was. Thought it was one of the coolest sci-fi movies id ever seen. A dark, gritty, grungy sci-fi horror thriller. Then i saw the second film and thought to myself, this is more of a fun, flashy effects, buddy-buddy, action film for the mainstream audience. The second film was the start of the trend in aiming these films at the mainstream audience. That's where the bigger money is. As you said, the first movie was an intense chase movie from start to finish. The second movie started opening up sub-plots, like the whole Dyson thing. Now the series is nothing but sub-plot. I refuse to even watch Dark Fate. The 'Terminator Resistance' video game on the other hand though was absolutely awesome. A game made by fans, for fans. Still cant work out why the Terminators are described as 'cyborgs' though. Theyre androids, not cyborgs. A cyborg is someone who was born as a regular human being then had mechanical modifications added later.

[@MAMoreno]

The first two films are classic horror and action films, respectively. Out of the later entries, The Sarah Connor Chronicles and Dark Fate are the most decent, even if they're unnecessary. Genisys is fun fan service, but it's like a licensed tie-in novel or comic book being turned into a big-budget film for a mainstream audience, so it feels very strange. Salvation is technically well-made, but it's the worst kind of self-insert fan fiction. And T3 is the only film in the series that's 100% a soulless hack job, made by people who had no higher aspirations than earning a paycheck. So the ranking would be: 1. The Terminator 2. Judgment Day 3. The Sarah Connor Chronicles 4. Dark Fate 5. Genisys 6. Salvation 7. Battle Across Time (the Universal Studios attraction) 8. Lady Terminator 9. Bruno Mattei's Terminator 2 10. Any given Terminator fan film, no matter how terrible 11. Rise of the Machines

[@theomorrow3811]

My thoughts on the Terminator Franchise (meaning MY opinion): Terminator 1 is actually my favorite out of all of them. Aside from the fact that it's the first one (of course), it's also the only one that has the T800 (Arnold) as the villain instead of the hero, Michael Biehn as Kyle Reese, the mystery surrounding John Connor (who isn't even in this movie, despite the fact that he's mentioned throughout) and the world as a whole, Sarah and Kyle's chemistry and romance, the fact that it feels more like a horror movie, the nostalgic vibe of the 80's, and of course the iconic line, "I'll be back..." (which is way more sinister to me than "Asta La Vista, Baby!"). Yeah, it's dated, but so what? That just adds to the charm of the movie; plus, the effects did get way better in later sequels. So there's really no point in complaining about something that has already been fixed decades later. With Terminator 2, everyone says that that's their favorite/best of the franchise. It's not my favorite (I've already explained above why T1 is MY favorite), but I can at least understand why everybody else puts T2 as the definitive Terminator movie. Arnold as the hero, Sarah as the badass female, John Connor at his best, the whole world has been opened up and expanded upon, the T1000, the non-stop action, the ending, blah blah blah, you know the rest. Honestly, there's really no reason for me to explain to any of you why this movie is so good, because you should know that already by now. But like I've said, it's not my personal favorite, because T1 exists. That's just me though. Terminator 3 is without a doubt the most uneventful Terminator movie ever. Coming off of T1 and T2 is no easy task and is frankly unfair. But even in that scenario, you can still find a way to make your movie good. And in this case, T3 isn't the worst (we'll get there eventually, don't worry), but it's more of a snooze-fest than anything else. Plus, I realize that comedy is subjective, but there are a lot of scenes that can make any newcomer or die-hard fan cringe (the "Talk-to-the-Hand" scene NOT being one of them). Not to mention the fact that T3 has easily the worst portrayal of John Connor in the franchise. Yeah it has a solid ending, but it feels so out-of-place when compared to the rest of the movie. Almost as if the ending belongs in another movie entirely. (Because up until that point, T3 just kinda stumbles and fumbles... even if it doesn't fall completely flat on it's face.) It's also the most pointless Terminator movie ever made, as in there's really no reason to watch T3, unless you're a casual Terminator fan that just enjoys these movies and this world. (Or maybe it's because you still have some nostalgia for it.) That's on you pal, because this movie is more forgettable than something worth raging about (or even defending). Terminator Salvation, for all the things people can say about it, at least tried to take the franchise in a different direction that fans wanted to see, which was the future war and John Connor being the leader of the Resistance (no, not THAT Resistance... the other one). Not to mention the fact that there was no time-travel plot; it stayed in the future war timeline from beginning to end. If the franchise was going to go in a certain direction, this was the only way to do it. And for my money, even though it would have been nice if the Salvation timeline was made into a trilogy, this should have been the last Terminator movie (even though a lot of people say T2 should have been the end, which I do get). For me, it's T1, then T2, then Salvation, and that's it. There's your definitive Terminator trilogy right there. Especially considering where the franchise has gone over the years. Genisys can go @#%& off. Easily the worst one. It honestly felt like a parody of itself rather than being an actual Terminator movie. Sure, T3 was like that as well (with Arnold's star-shaped sunglasses, among other things), but it was only in a few spots AND NOT THE ENTIRE #&@%#&! MOVIE! What else is there to even say about this piece of &@#%? It's just trash... the casting (mainly with Jay Courtney as Kyle Reese), the retconing of the first two movies, the forced humor and references, the fact that John Connor was the villain, how it disrespected the audience and treated them like idiots, everything. Enough said. This movie sucks. And then there's Dark Fate. Look... if we're going to talk about this movie, we have to talk about the first five minutes. It's almost impossible not to. And, honestly, even though the movie's been out for a couple years now, I still don't know how to feel about (SPOILER) John Connor being killed off. I've heard a lot of arguments on the Internet from both sides, with people that are for it and people that are against it. And the more I hear both of these back-and-forth arguments, the more I'm stuck squarely on the fence. Now, I know what you're thinking: "How can you possibly be stuck on the fence with the killing of John Connor all these years later? Shouldn't you have picked a side by now?" Well, maybe. But frankly, it's because this whole movie and your enjoyment of it rests on how you as the viewer feel about the first five minutes in general. If you love the direction they took with John Connor, you'll be on board for the rest of the movie. If you hate the fact that John Connor died, you'll hate how the movie in general plays out after that scene. And because of how conflicted I am personally about John Connor dying, I also feel torn about the movie as a whole. From a story perspective, I get why someone would be on board, but I can also see how die-hard Terminator fans would be pissed off at that decision (especially if you hold T2 and the character of John Connor in high regard). My problem isn't these arguments specifically. The biggest problem is that people entrenched on both sides of the John Connor debate can't even see eye-to-eye and how they go about them. Granted, it is the age of the Internet, and people do this all the time today where everything is politicized (even in the Entertainment Industry), so what do I know? But, the more people from both sides attack each other on this one issue, the more off-putting it gets for me. This is one of the many examples of movies that proves both sides just need to shut the hell up and let others enjoy the movies they want to enjoy without being sucked into the constant Internet Drama (I'm looking at you, Reddit), while also understanding why someone else wouldn't just on principle alone. Look... as a typical summer action movie, Dark Fate can be fun (even though it was actually released in November, which is generally supposed to be Oscar season... whoops!); as a Terminator movie, that depends on who you are (again, it's either love or hate). As a "female-empowerment" movie (which I'm not against in theory, by the way), it could have been a lot worse (mainly because I actually have seen worse; *cough* Ghostbusters 2016 *cough*). But we also have much better "female-empowerment" movies to compare this with, including the first two Terminator movies which also feature Linda Hamilton as Sarah Connor. So while I don't hate this movie, I also don't know how I feel about it, and probably never will for a long time. So, with that said, here's my ranking: 1.) T1 2.) T2 3.) Salvation 4.) Dark Fate 5.) T3 6.) Genisys

[@clonetrooper2003]

Salvation actually did get a sequel in the form of a comic series called **terminator salvation the final battle** i heard it sgood and i will soon read it

[@notoriouslfg3815]

You should check out the Sarah Conner Chronicles. It is much better than expected. some duds and confused writing. but i hold the series in high regards

[@thefreshprinceofasgard7137]

Definitely do a deep dive into the first two movies.

[@oliverqueen9886]

You should talk about battle across time on next video. Also your thoughts on the TV show and video games.

[@mdawson5581]

I would love to have seen a future war movie with all the black and dark blue tones like the first two movies with Michael Edwards as John

[@BlazingOwnager]

The good: Terminator 1, Terminator 2, Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles, that recent Terminator game that came out of nowhere. The bad: Terminator 3 The ugly: EVERYTHING ELSE

[@zedeco]

Sarah Connor Chronicles cliffhanger is not resolved because skydance wants a tv show that continues genyses.

[@jakegetsreel4024]

Everyone has a few movies they like that most people hate. For me that's terminator 3. It has a lot of great scenes and still has some of the creativity of the first two. I understand why people don't like it, but I also don't understand why people say it's the worse terminator movie. The crane chase alone makes me like this movie.

[@THK619]

Same here. The crane chase was great and I believe that’s the first time they did the truck flip in a movie, so watching it in a theater was epic.

[@ministerofdarkness]

I'm with you on Salvation. Best of the post T-2 era.

[@mecca6801]

Salvation definitely needed a trilogy. Granted, the comics did see to that but it's a pity it didnt come to the big screen... or at least a mini series!

[@SuperHellKnight666]

I think it goes to show how much they screwed this IP, when the best Terminator-related thing to come out after T2, was Terminator: Resistance. A low-budget Terminator game, made by devoted fans of the franchise. If any of you like Terminator and haven't seen said game, I'd highly recommend it.

[@mackychloe]

Yep. The second Ol' Jim Cameron walked away from his dual-epics it was dead in the water. P.s If you're confused about the scene at 4:06 it was from a larger scene that got deleted. it comes after Doctor Silverman tells the male nurse/security guard to "make sure she (Sarah) takes her thorazine" so the guard walks in to her cell & immediately tazers her to the ground, kicks her a couple of times & stuffs pill into her mouth as she lay unconscious. while unconscious she has a dream of Kyle coming into her cell for a pep-talk. when he walks away she chases him outside & that leads into the scene where Sarah witnesses the apocalypse. Also. the guard in that scene is also the guard that licks her face while she is restrained. all this explains why Sarah properly wails on the guy with the broken mop handle during her escape.

[@Garrettsamuel98]

And people say there were no Badass females in movies during the 90's. Sarah Conner & Ripley from the Alien movies were straight badass & superheroes in my mind!

[@onofriogreco8339]

I need to hear about the Terminator vs Robocop comics!!

[@steveericson9137]

if you look at T:TSCC as the true sequel and ignore all the films that came after T2... you'll be much happier as a Terminator fan. It's a damned shame so few folks gave that show a proper chance.

[@HippeusOmega]

That's how I see it. Sarah Connor Chronicles had some issues especially during the writers strike but was way better then any of the films that followed after 2.

[@Horrormaster13]

@steve ericson Too bad that it was canceled after Season 2 and ended with a Cliffhanger and we never got a third Season 😔

[@HippeusOmega]

@@Horrormaster13 yeah I would've love to seen that season 3 concept they were going for where John and that T-1000 Weaver went to that future timeline where John Connor never existed.

[@oliverqueen9886]

Battle Across Time was great

[@oliverqueen9886]

What was season 3 going to be about. I do agree the TV show is better that the sequel films we got. It fixes the problem t3 made having Sara dead

[@saku0207]

Nice video 👍

[@dannyellaboatboat]

First 2 films are undeniable masterpieces. Third movie was passable and entertaining enough. Salvation was ground breaking and unique which made it good. I haven’t even bothered watching any of the other ones aside from short clips here on KZbin. So yea

[@STAUNCHTV]

Def wanna see more Terminator vids my dude

[@model101t800]

Besides coming with the idea during a fever, it's Cameron's brilliant writing that gave the franchise so much colour and he had closed the story with T2. After that they never really got a grip on that and was Salavtion the only one making some sense as a next step, and it left the original timeline intact

[@AbiyBattleSpell]

wut i like bout t3 is the anger is better then despair line. whatever u think of the movie, that line ill admit has helped me sumtimes wen feelers down

[@Rainbowhawk1993]

Salvation is an underrated gem.

[@Mr.Lubbox-Lobsterlegz1]

Fun fact the creator of Dragonball was inspired to write the whole Cell Saga because he watched Terminator 2

[@karabearcomics]

I personally feel that if they want to continue the formula set up by the first two movies, they can do some things to make things interesting that wouldn't be just rehashing Judgment Day: Coming off the twist from Genysis that John Connor has become a Terminator, have it be set up that the "evil" Terminator is actually sent back by the resistance, as they feel the fact that John becoming a Terminator is too great a risk. The "good" Terminator can be there to protect John in order to ensure Skynet's ultimate victory. The conclusion may actually hinge on building up the resistance early, and making sure they've recruited multiple strong candidates to be the leader. Another idea is that it could be the normal evil Terminator sent back, with the resistance either unable to send back a protector, or said protector is killed/destroyed shortly after going back, before they can go protect the target. Now, those in the present have to fight off this unstoppable machine without any knowledge of what it is, or why it's there. A last idea I have is that maybe Skynet sends back a Terminator and the resistance sends someone, like in the other movies, but it's revealed that this Terminator is actually one of many, not going after future resistance fighters at all, but instead impersonating important figures in the political and scientific scene (read: killing them and then impersonating them--they are still Terminators, after all), all in a bid for Skynet to attempt to kickstart its rise early, before John or the like are even at a stage to possibly mount a resistance.

[@dashingdreww1185]

You should also cover The Sarah Conner Chronicles

[@robertparker6280]

Terminator 3 has a few good concepts. I like the idea of John not accepting being the leader, but he has to come to the terms and accept that he has to accept it. Also would of LOVED to seen a trilogy of Salvation!

[@CCEkeke]

Actually the best addition to the Terminator franchise post-T2 was the Sarah Connor Chronicles.

[@paulieluppino1856]

I do agree that Salvation had good thing on it's plate, but at the end of the day, the bad stuff overshadows the good stuff..... Perhaps the biggest issue with the movie is the fact that Skynet already knows who Kyle Reese was and why he was important enough to be targeted for extermination.... I can understand that John Connor was a danger, even if he wasn't already the leader of the resistance, because he was talking trough radio, keeping the troop's moral up and becoming a beacon of hope, but why Reese if he is just part of the smallest resistance cell ever?..... This alone is one of the franchise many many MANY dark spots, and the moment you pick all the dark spots and put them together, you realize that any time Arnie said "I'LL BE BACK" (wink wink) means absolutely nothing......

[@paulieluppino1856]

I know I preach to converses, but I just want to take that out of my chest..... anyway, Hasta la vista, baby.....

[@ninjanibba4259]

Actually the core issue with the film is John vs Marcus being leads, the movie felt like it didn’t know who to focus on and that hurts the film, not to mention the star power the 2 actors had at that time so it might’ve been that as to why they’re both versing

[@paulieluppino1856]

@@ninjanibba4259 That' an issue at a cinematic level, but I meant an issue inside the plot....

[@ninjanibba4259]

@@paulieluppino1856 that too, I think Skynet using Marcus as unknown bait was a great idea, it could be what started the Terminator program in the first place, but it was meddling with Johns plotline

[@thewolfofwallstreet627]

@@ninjanibba4259 That's because in the original script, the filmmakers behind salvation wanted to have have Marcus replace John Connor in the movie, while delving into the premise about John being this great military leader was an elaborate hoax, and John was going to die. And after he died, Marcus would get a face transplant from John to make him look like John Connor. And since Marcus was a cyborg with knowledge of Skynet's infrastructure, and his super human level abilities, he'd adopt the name John Connor to inspire others during the war. Or at least, that's what the writers claim they initially wanted, but they scaled that back due to fan backlash once news got out about that plot leak. That's why the film tends to struggle between who to focus on between the two because initially they were going to have Marcus be the lead that replaced John Connor. But when they had to rewrite it, they changed everything including the ending to where John still had to go onto the operating table except this time he wasn't dead. And instead, they make him alive to get a heart transplant from Marcus. Personally, I think what they should've done was either go all in on their original idea with fans be damned, or they should've thrown out that script completely and just made John Connor the primary focus from day one of writing a new script.

[@cinemamadness6920]

My ranking: 1. Terminator 1 2. Terminator 2 Nothing else is canon but to rank the other movies you mentioned each one got worse, so it would be 3. T3 4. Salvation 5. Genisys 6. The one that killed the whole franchise The most recent 2 movies puts Sarah before John, making feminism the focus, not the actual Terminator story. Not to mention them killing John, which negates what every movie accomplished prior to Dark Fate. I don't know how you can say DF was better than Genisys, it wasn't. Genisys didn't kill the franchise.

[@zedeco]

The TV show was better than 3-6 combined.

[@johncap6495]

Yo vee great video as always. I'd love to see you do a review like Halloween movies. The first 2 movies are classic. 3 eh take it or leave it. 4 I agree for the most part they could stated the future war. The last two; movies I can't wait to hear you rip those apart lol

[@martynadams754]

You missed TSCC! I agree, T2 was where the series ended, when it was no longer James Camerons vision that drove the narrative. Salvation I believe was a decent film, not T2 level but the most original sequel which had the most potential. The Saray Connor Chronicles was meh but better than the other movies, and I remember the last episode of Season 2 being epic and I was gutted they didn't follow it up with a Season 3. I played the Terminator: Resistance game recently and that was surprisingly... OK. T2 > T1 > TS > TR > TSCC > T3 > TDF > TG

[@rohannaval1621]

Haven't seen the terminator movies...I'm just here cuz i like the channel

[@Scurge237]

I think the salvation future movies coulda been good. I wanted a sequal to that one

[@spididerman]

Dark fate was the only one I didn't see because I saw the Jon Conner scene on KZbin and I said fuck this one.

[@adamf1980]

Sarah Connor Chronicles is also worth a watch. It ended too soon.

[@markie5287]

Mam, that most recent game "Termimator resistance " that FPS game was good totally wasn't expecting that. Had some love scenes!!! Heheh

[@sethbrundels]

I couldn't even finish Dark Fate and Genyisis, and Ive only seen Rise of the machine and Salvation once

[@artistsodyssey]

They really goofed up writing T3 when the arm of the 2nd Terminator got crushed by the T-1000 the steel factory. They could of said that the Arm is what kept things going. I mean they had to destroy the first Terminator's arm why is the second okay to remain?

[@robirvine6970]

Why do morons keep saying this? The arm means NOTHING you could not build a computer in the 1920s if you sent back an empty pc case. The arm IS JUST METAL.

[@warsincs]

Dark fate is the worst regardless of what you say -It kills off John Connor and gives us piss poor replacements trying to do the exact same thing. Absolute garbage.

[@handsomestik]

Thank god there were only two movies.......yup just two films. That's it. I live in denial

[@jabbarmuhammad8804]

Terminator 1&2 are my favorite terminator 3 and the others killed the franchise

[@jeebus2313]

It's funny that the best piece of Terminator media to come out in recent memory was the Resistance game, which despite the developers...previous track record, actually turned out surprisingly not terrible.

[@ThePremiumChicken]

The setting of Salvation was awesome, but the whole bit about SkyNet having a face threw me off

[@garethjones2746]

Completely agree and glad salvation gets some credit I liked it, not as much as 1 and 2 but it gets a bad wrap for no reason.

[@SuperRobin25]

More T1 and T2 please and thank you 🤠

[@hermitcard4494]

The way Terminator was created allows it for constant reboots: everytime they time travel back in past they reboot the future. This is why I liked Terminator Salvation for actually going forward and not try to reboot the past. PS: Since I was a kid I always thought Terminator plot is kind of stupid, Skynet could have sent Terminators to ancient times and rule humanity as GODS. The movies never stated they have a limited "distance" in time to travel back.

[@angelaholmes8888]

Terminator salvation was the only movie that really took the big step into the future war against skynet 👍

[@dinkledonker801]

If it makes you feel any better the Terminator books have a mega advanced Terminator Skynet uses to purge broken timelines, so you can just imagine all the bad movies got purged

[@seanmalloy0528]

As one fandom would describe that timeline you showed: wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey

[@travit666]

I'd honestly love a vid on the Sarah Connor Chronicles

[@Horrormaster13]

If I was in charge of the Terminator Franchise, this is what I would have done after T2: 1. Terminator Film or a TV-Show that takes place exclusively in the post-apocalyptic future and closes the time-loop between T1 and T2. Don't do it like Salvation. Do it like the short flashbacks in T1 and in the opening of T2, where people live underground, are malnourished and have to eat rats to survive and wage a guerrilla war against Skynet. 2. A complete Reboot. That means no Sarah Connor, no John Connor, no Kyle Reese, no Skynet and NO Arnold Schwarzenegger's Terminator. Go back to the roots of the first Terminator Film and make another dark, low-budget Slasher/Science-Fiction Film with completely new characters. As a director, I would have chosen a guy like Leigh Whannell, who was responsible for Upgrade (2018) and The Invisible Man (2020). or 3. A Robocop vs. Terminator Film

[@raizenmazoku1519]

Your 2nd idea sounds like the exact same shit JJ was smoking when he was coming up the force awakens, just a new hope reskinned.

[@Horrormaster13]

@Raizen Mazoku No, it doesn't because my 2nd idea is not making another Sequel or a Requel. I want to make full Reboot of the Franchise which doesn't include the OG characters. Terminator: Dark Fate was the Force Awakens of the Terminator Franchise and it sucked.

[@raizenmazoku1519]

@@Horrormaster13 i want to start by saying sorry for offending you. That wasnt my intent. I just dont understand why you want to reboot a already perfect classic. How does changing and removing all that stuff make it a reboot? Imo if you removed everything that makes it a terminator movie than its not a terminator movie. This has ghostbusters 2016 disaster written all over it. Even with out any OG stuff, what your describing still just sounds like your're reskinning the terminator. Why not just come up with something entirely new that isnt a reboot? What would you keep the same to make it a terminator reboot? The premise mostly the same, future robots sent back to kill a person to win the future war, but you just changed the names? thats reskinning and in order for it not to be a reskin, it needs a new plot entirely. Would it have any new elements that the OG movie didn't have? If it does have something new that wasnt done in the franchise, then why even make it a terminator reboot, just make an original IP. That old saying about catching lighting in a bottle i feel applies here some how. The first two movies was lighting in a bottle and thats why everything else after sucks. And why I think your reboot still wouldn't catch that lighting unless it was just something entirely new and not a reboot.

[@oofyeet5935]

3 is my fav

[@noone-ss8lu]

@@oofyeet5935 Why? Is it becuase you like to fap to Kristanna Loken(T-X)? No judgement. Personnelly I'd rather watch her in that blood rayne costume if thats the reason.

[@sentakuselect]

Hollywood can't move on from T2, can't let Arnold go, will never want to start fresh again with the Future War story (Salvation/Adult John Conner)...Would have thought that we would have gotten two Terminator movies focusing on the Future War that was an epic victory over Skynet and a sendoff to the Terminator story. For the longest time, I just acknowledge the special edition ending of T2 as cannon and Salvation as a "what if they didn't prevent Judgement Day...err...like T3) but I don't acknowledge all the rest of the movies kinda like how I don't recognize any Alien movies as a cannon with Aliens 3 and other movies after 3 lol.

[@mysticx0]

omg...me and vee finally agree on something to do with movies!!! judgement day is surely upon us now....

[@z304legend]

The cop reference you said "back then we're the good guys." The line you should of said was "back then they were the good guys, should be the good guys today, power can corrupt."

[@jamestkirkcameron9189]

majority of cops still are good guys.