The Dead Sea Scrolls Foresaw Salt Lake City?

[@slowhypno]

I am a 76 year old member of the church who did his high school paper in 1965 on the Dead Sea Schrolls. I was an 18 year old senior in high school and found the church during college at 21. My wife is 4th generation LDS. This video was both revelatory and mind bogleing. Thank you so much for your research. It completes a circle for my life.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

So glad it meant something to you. Thanks for commenting.

[@alankuntz6494]

My wife is 4th generation LDS...Heck that ain't nothing. My wife is 4th generation LSD.

[@recsporteducation4594]

The Jewish tradition includes roads into a city as gates. If you count the major roads running into the city, and the airport, and the train tracks going north south, and the one going west out of the city, you have 12 routes, or gates that go into the city. Further, the city surrounded by mountains may act as the walls. But I also like the interpretation as metaphor, that the city is simply a gate for the gathering of all 12 tribes, with the wall and gates as symbolic of this gathering. Salt Lake has a core of 86 out of 100 for race, and diversity, making it more diverse then other US cities.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Very cool

[@recsporteducation4594]

@JJBrown-lw1dv yes. I agree. I brought it to the attention of my wife who has a Jewish background. I told her I was only coming up with 10, but she asked if SLC had a train. That finished it.

[@recsporteducation4594]

@johnrowley310 The priesthood throughout biblical history was held from almost every individual. With Moses, only the tribe of Levi held part, the decentants of Aron had priesthood and no one else. The prophets held priesthood but not the people. Women don't hold priesthood. So forth. I don't know why you are so butt hurt about it. It's not like it affects anyone's soul. No one is missing out on anything needful thing just because this aspect of gospel ordination wasn't bestowed. It's just not as big a deal as you and others would like it to be. It just isn't. Move on. That's all over. Few can even remember when it was a thing. Race batting doesn't do anything for anyone. You want to rehash history, take a class. Honestly, what do you think such comments accomplish outside of making yourself look petty and childish?

[@Bideniselitespuppet]

They have found walls certain people have covered up. I live 2 hours away . I show everyone when they visit .

[@rconger384]

I'm remembering another guideline Brigham Young used to fix the location of The Holy Temple. (I am paraphrasing the following.) Brother Brigham apparently had a dream where the Prophet Joseph came to him and said something like: "you will see a dome shaped Mountain. Build below that point and you will prosper and have peace." Upon Brigham exploring the valley he recognized Ensign Peak as that point and climbed up to it with the Quorum.

[@sharonb2038]

It is so interesting that Brighams/ or Joseph’s city, was so perfectly laid out! Who knows, after the world is cleansed, there could be other sacred cities modeled after the New Jerusalem

[@allanlwade2963]

A new Temple and new Jerusalem will definitely be coming in Jackson County, Missouri.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

@@allanlwade2963 Yes, and that one will actually be holy.

[@salustone6545]

I am amazed and very grateful for your findings. It’s inspiring and I find them to be true. The Lord really really reveals His secrets unto His servants, the prophets. See Amos 3:7. Ancient prophets and latter day prophets. Thank you so much. I’m floored with the vision and knowledge of Brigham Young in designing the city of Salt Lake City, coinciding with the Dead Sea scrolls record.👍💕💕💕🙏🙏🙏💕💕💕Praise the Lord!

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Amen. Thanks for your comment.

[@artistLife-gh3te]

J.J. Brown: have you heard of Jon Levi who talks about other civilizations etc... in the USA before and when Columbus arrived? I heard enough info as a Native American Indian to convert to the Church. I don't underestimate what the LORD is up to.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Just checked Jon Levi out. Looks very interesting; thanks so much for the tip!

[@barbaraneville9056]

Bravo!

[@brianarnold4819]

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[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

I have looked into that only briefly so far. Very intriguing, and I tend to have a very open mind, but I haven't gotten into them enough to form an opinion. Thanks for reminding me about it, maybe it's time to actually read the whole text.

[@bobwilkinson1217]

There will be enclaves of Zion in every land. There is no longer the "gather to one place of Zion" message. The message now is to gather to the stakes of zion in one's own land.

[@erwinallen2309]

I always knew the city and the temple at its center had special significance it doesn’t surprise me that other prophets have seen it in vision and wrote it down for us

[@franklebatista1091]

Yes, it is fascinating. I lived in Salt Lake , and the topography of the city and the surroundings is so similar to the Jerusalem and surrounding areas. I'm from South America and I believe that God has dealt with each continent for different reasons (more sin than anything else) on different periods of times. Like in the Americas continent, Africa and Middle East. So I always thought about that. Why did Christopher Columbus found people semi nude, wilde, and so behind civilization compared to Europe? So what happened over here? And the book of mormon explains all that and more, not only what happened but the future of the same people that Columbus found. Now the prophesy about " and the desert will blossom like the rose" is a dual prophesy for Israel (East) and for the Valley of Salt Lake City in the west. And as it is writting: "because from Jerusalem will come out the word and from Zion(west) the Law".

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Great comments. Thanks.

[@zionmama150]

15:26 not only that, the land of Jerusalem when turned upside down matches the topography in that we have a dead sea (Great Salt Lake) and a river jordan (Jordan River) and a sea of Galilea (Utah Lake). Even the city of Salt Lake would match the exact position of Jerusalem and its surrounding cities and lands were it turned upside down and placed on Utah. Lehi would be Nazareth. Layton would be Bethlehem.

[@delmariecrandall9229]

Excellent additional observations!

[@zionmama150]

@@johnrowley310 comparably yes. In actuality no.

[@BeardedDisciple]

yeah, there is also the Mediterranean Sea to the east and the pacific ocean to the east of Utah. it's so similar.

[@jimmoyer8633]

Now go look in about 1960 National Geographic an article called "Geographical twins a world apart" it says just this and very much more

[@zionmama150]

@@josephinadelamartiniquemin5448 how so?

[@kz6fittycent]

Another interesting thing is the 111th meridian that runs along the eastern face of the SLC temple. I just happened to see a placard when visiting Temple Square years ago. It was nearly buried in one of the planters, surrounded by tree limbs. That has to represent something significant.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

So I pulled up Google Earth to see where else W111th runs. Turns out the one at the Temple is the Salt Lake Meridian, which was established by the pioneers as a measurement basis for other surveys in the valley. I guess they used it for all the streets, etc., from the temple. That one is actually W109.54. W111 makes up the boundary between Idaho and Wyoming, and must be the loneliest meridian going through the U.S. From the Arctic to the Antarctic, the only city it runs through is Tuscon. Otherwise is completely misses civilization, it barely touches Mexico and then is all ocean until Antartica.

[@kz6fittycent]

You aren't lying! I looked too, nearly nothing!@@JJBrown-lw1dv

[@WilliamHarmon-vq1nw]

Oh my goodness! I'm originally from Tennessee and baptized LDS at 25 yrs old I feel blessed to be here and thankful....

[@bonnienandino6942]

This is extremely interesting information. Thanks for your work. And thanks for sharing.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@jcbrailsford]

As I watched this video, I wondered to myself if the walls around the city are actually mountains and whether or not the gates into the city are roads that enter the valley from the surrounding canyons. I just looked at a map and counted at least 10 different highway entrances into the valley, and I’m sure that there are a couple I didn’t notice.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Awesome.

[@recsporteducation4594]

It could be canyons running into the city from the mountains that equal 12 gates. But if you count the main roads, the train tracks, and the airport, you have 12 entrances to the city, or gates. This works with Jewish tradition of what a gate it.

[@smallhelmonabigship3524]

I was about to leave the same comment when I read yours. Heber C. Kimball spoke of shutting down the passages that lead into the valley, should the need arise to defend the city. Without roads, the mountains become a barrier to an invading army. If you start on the west side with I 80 coming from Tooele, the going clockwise around the city. 1. I 80 west. 2 I 215 north 3 Redwood road north 4 I 15 north 5 Emigration canyon 6 I 80 east Parley's Canyon 7 I 15 south 8 Redwood Road South There are four train tracks that lead into the city. One on the west, one on the north, two on the south makes twelve major entrances into the city. Then there are some minor gates. Big Cottonwood Canyon (via Guardsman Pass to Park City). There are at least a couple of roads which travel across the Oquirh mountains. One road in corner canyon which connects Draper and Alpine. Another road which goes over the traverse mountains and connects Draper with Lehi.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Wow, good work!@@smallhelmonabigship3524

[@jcbrailsford]

@@smallhelmonabigship3524 Great points! I think there’s plenty of evidence to support the idea of Salt Lake being the city mentioned in those writings.

[@reppi8742]

How very interesting! My husband and I both listened when this popped into my feed this morning. Thank you for making this video. Our faith is already very strong and I love it when "God winks at us" - that's what we call it!❤

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

I love that. Thanks for watching it.

[@perryewell5395]

Surprisingly plausible. Thanks for sharing this.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

You're very welcome

[@debwilliamson3551]

thank you! I think that you are on the right track

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Thanks.

[@sandracongdon4082]

Not astounding, when one considers that Brigham Young was and still is a prophet of God.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

And the importance of this work in the context of history. Sometimes I think we're so close to the work of the gathering that we forget what a marvelous work and wonder it is. I delve into that a lot more in my Lost Ten Tribes video, if you haven't seen that one.

[@zacdavis8234]

A prophet that taught racism, blood atonement, Adam god theory and many other doctrines that are not true. 🤔

[@zacdavis8234]

@@chrisdraney4526 arrogant. That’s funny

[@SmegPies]

@@zacdavis8234 Facts. He used the biblical curses as justification for barring Black men from the priesthood, banning interracial marriages, and opposing Black voting rights. "If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed, mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the Law of God, is death on the spot. THIS WILL ALWAYS BE SO." -Brigham Young

[@josh-j8z]

@@zacdavis8234all of them are true

[@mervyneggleston429]

Fantastic it just gets better and better. Thank you

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Thanks for watching it.

[@marioreyes9509]

I thought Brigham Young wanted wide streets so that men driving wagons would not have to swear when turning around.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Ha, ha. Thank you for this comment.

[@sharroncannon53]

Renovating currently of the SL Temple with deep steel and cement for better quake proof has required further digging deeper below the original temple site where those working found more ruins that deserve further insight on what looks like an ancient building or possibly an older temple of those living here in America after Christ's resurrection. Having seen this short night picture taken I would guess by phone of the area, it brings to light of those gathering before for safety and then later leaving for the final City of the New Jerusalem. Across from the Nauvoo Temple in Illinois looking directly west across the large river there is a corn field that deep under the field, archaeologists through technology have found a temple with measurements of the ancient temple in Jerusalem and my understanding is in process of being excavated after permission was granted by the owner of the farm land to go excavate and would be a slow process. Thanks for your video and enjoyed your old maps and pics of the early church history. You are not going down a rabbit hole but definitely more needs to be researched for the true facts you have given and what has also been found deeper than what the pioneers dug for their Temple.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Wow, I had not heard about that find below the temple. Can't wait to learn more about that. I have been monitoring that site across from the Nauvoo temple. I did a google maps elevation measurement, and there is definitely a shallow crossing the river just south of that site. Not proof of anything, but an indication that it would have been a pinch point where a major city like Zarahemla would have been built, and it would have allowed people and armies to cross at that point, especially before the dam was built down river. Many folks don't know that the river is actually wider today because of the dam than it was in the 1800s.

[@rconger384]

Wayne May and John Lefgrin.

[@PapaKryptoss]

Ancient building under the temple in Salt Lake. I say bogus

[@josephnebeker7976]

I've read about this renovation and haven't heard about any ancient building underneath it. No pictures. No stories. Only yours. Do you have any sources?

[@skyflight99]

Thanks Sharron. Because of the geography of the Salt Lake Valley, most of what we consider to be the valley floor has been buried by alluvium from the surrounding mountains. There have been reports of artifacts found up to 120 ft below the current surface (these finds are seldom reported due to federal laws), so yes, plausible.

[@keznal4710]

The wide streets and sidewalks certainly came in handy with the rise of the automobile. SLC is one of the better cities to be if you don’t have a car, because it’s easy to walk around, and the streets leave enough room for streetcars (TRAX) It’s insane to watch people move out of the Salt Lake area because of a rising crime rate, which isn’t even bad compared to other cities. I hope more members realize that we can’t just abandon SLC

[@redneckboisproductions]

For those wondering, Looking at Google Earth, there appears to be 11 major navigable Canyons heading into the Salt Lake Valley 1. 1-15 Heading North between the mountain and the sea 2. City Creek 3. Red Butte Creek 4. Emigration Canyon 5. 1-80 Heading East via Parley's Canyon 6. Milcreek Canyon 7. Big Cottonwood Canyon 8. Little Cottonwood Canyon 9. 1-15 Heading South (Past Point of the Mountain 10. Butterfiel Creek 11. 1-80 Heading West One could however argue that the Jordan River and the historic swamp near point of the mountain splits it into 2: One being 1-15 and the other being Redwood Rd, but that feels a bit like a stretch

[@thealternativecontrarian9936]

is there significance with this?

[@redneckboisproductions]

@@thealternativecontrarian9936 one could argue the Mountains are the walls and the canyons are the gates

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

I completely missed this idea when making the video, so thanks so much for that contribution to the discussion. Someone else just quoted Joseph Smith writing that someday the saints would reside in the "stronghold" of the Rocky Mountains. What else are walls around a city, if they aren't to make the city a stronghold?

[@kimberlyolsen9416]

This was an awesome video! Thank you!

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

You are so welcome!

[@Livrad]

Excellent work, thank you.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Thank you too!

[@six1nyne]

On a grander scale, Philadelphia was designed on a rectilinear street grid in 1682: one of the first cities in North America to use a grid system. By this logic could be the city of brotherly love

[@kurstenmason7132]

Does it meet the other descriptions in the scroll as well?

[@jimmoyer8633]

An article titled "geographic twins a world apart " in the 60's copy of national geographic is very worthy of your attention. It notes the unique duality of the dead sea and great salt lake basin. It not only supports your premises but goes even farther. Of note is the unique fact that the great salt lake and dead sea can be laid over each other with their equal river coming from a freshwater lake. Align carefully and push pins in each city, mines, and unique features. They are geographical twins.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Wow. I'll definitely check that out. Thanks for the reference.

[@stevendorsey4882]

Thank you, J.J., for posting this interesting video. I like your analysis.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Thanks, obisbo.

[@mwuth3727]

I agree, New Jerusalem will run from the east to here in Utah to the west, there is a quote by JS stating the measurements and dimensions

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Interesting. I picture the New Jerusalem being built a certain way in the beginning. And after the Millennium fully matures, it will grow much bigger and maybe even eventually reach Adam ondi Ahman.

[@icecreamladydriver1606]

@@JJBrown-lw1dv What happened to Joseph saying that the New Jerusalem would be in Jackson Co., MO? Now it is Salt Lake? Thanks for the video.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

@@icecreamladydriver1606 That's a good question. I address that in the video. I point out that the New Jerusalem is described in the Bible, but that this city described in the Dead Sea Scrolls, that I'm talking about, is very clearly a completely different city than the New Jerusalem that will be built in Jackson County. In the Scrolls, no name for the city is given, and the city is different than the two cities of God described in the Bible. In other words, the Scrolls were talking about a city no one else had described in scripture. The translators of the scrolls decided to call it the New Jerusalem Scroll, because they couldn't imagine there would be any other city than the New Jerusalem. So they incorrectly called it that. The city in the Scrolls doesn't meet the description of any other city ever referenced in scripture. But it perfectly describes SLC which was given to Joseph Smith in 1833. Then Brigham used Joseph Smith's revelation as a pattern for building SLC, which is a City of God in the everlasting hills and the Headquarters of God's church until the New Jerusalem in Jackson County can be built.

[@icecreamladydriver1606]

@@JJBrown-lw1dv Thanks for taking time to explain. I have several things going on while watching the video so I am sure I missed some things here and there. Very interesting video.

[@G-mom-A]

The more I learn about the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints the more the spirit confirms to me that it is the lords church on the earth today and that knowledge has been restored in our day and time to help prepare the world for Jesus Christs return. For me it is exciting to study the gospel. It is also encouraging to study stuff like this as well. Thanks for a good video.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

My Target Audience!! Thanks so much for stopping by.

[@Apollo1011]

Pretty compelling presentation, not a coincidence!

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Thanks, that's what I think. Too many correlations.

[@bartonbagnes4605]

A wall of mountains surrounds the Salt Lake Valley, whether there are twelve canyons and passes into the valley I would have to look at a map to determine.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Love this type of thinking.

[@rconger24]

​@@JJBrown-lw1dvFour highways come into the valley with at least three lanes inbound on each.

[@Mcfunface]

7 canyons actually

[@bartonbagnes4605]

@@Mcfunface I can think of at least 9, not including the gaps between the Wasatch Mountains and the Oquirrh Mountains. Namely Big Cottonwood, Little Cottonwood, Parleys, Mill Creek, City Creek, Brigham, Emigration, Butterfield and Red Butte. So if you include the gaps that's 11. Though there are a couple possibilities for the twelfth.

[@maryfrankralls9985]

This is logical. Great video!!!! Thanks for sharing!!!

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Glad you think so!

[@Zubeneshemali]

Very enlightening!! No doubt that New Jerusalem will have some of the same characteristics!! Thank You for your efforts!! Learning new evidences every week!!

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Thank you kindly

[@jum5238]

I thought Brigham Young had the wide streets because he wanted a horse and buggy to be able to turn around.

[@donseegmiller7759]

I have heard that also, but think of the reality of it. A horse and buggy would certainly not need that much room to turn around. And there would not have have been much of a need for an occasional covered wagon to turn around. It just seems way more than coincidental that within just 10 or so years from completion cars were to be invented. I mention this only in a humorous way, my mother told me that every time the eagle by Brigham Young’s home heard something [?] ring, it flew down and got a drink from the drinking fountain. I finally figured out that the cast iron eagle could not hear.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

That's right. There's no hard evidence I'm aware of that Brigham had a vision of the future of Great Salt Lake City, but it wouldn't surprise me if he had.

[@timt1406]

Fascinating! I have studied lots about the scrolls and never heard this. What else are we missing. It seems most of what makes it into public domain is highly edited.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Thanks, when I first came across the "New Jerusalem Scroll" it was in a book by Wise and Abegg (non-LDS scholars) who were trying to shed light on what the establishment scholars were ignoring. Since then, though, more scholars are looking at that text. Maybe someone else had come across the SLC connection to the text, but I've never seen anything. As I mention in the video, the phrase "new jerusalem" never shows up in the text, it was the translators who called it that, and that title may have misdirected readers as to what was being described.

[@DGHamblinFOTW]

What if the gates refer to the temples? I might be wrong, but I believe that in the Salt Lake Valley there are five temples, and in the Utah Valley there are seven, making a total of 12 temples. Of course that will probably change.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Interesting.

[@bryanpons6585]

Joseph Smith, shortly before his martyrdom, addressed the Nauvoo legion and told them that they would be going to the strongholds of the rocky mountains. Strongholds or walls? Just an idea. look it up. I think the stronghold/ mountains will have significance during the tribulation period.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

I totally missed that idea in the video, but you and a number of others have pointed that out. Very interesting about that "strongholds" quotation. Thanks, for that.

[@David-e1k5i]

Where can I find the paper that the video author wrote in 2012?

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

I wrote it. I can send it to you if you like. [e-mail]

[@halodisciple8459]

I heard the streets were made that wide to turn a wagon around. Not sure it had anything to do with future needs.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Thanks for you comment. No, no indication that Young foresaw cars, but it was absolutely for future needs. Wagons need more space than cars. However, the-non prophet city planners in those days were not make streets that large. The point of the video, though, is that it matched the description in the Dead Sea Scrolls.

[@lukeslc-xd8ds]

I have heard the same thing.

[@Royalltop1]

Yes this is something Brigham Young said. But this was to help the people understand how wide he wanted the roads. But was not the purpose of such. The people complained of his design of the city. Again it was not his design. It was the design given him. Remember he said he seen the valley full of people in the vision he had. If only the members could see what I see Brigham had said. It was the same when he announced the building of a temple. The people complained. Saying whenever we build a temple all hell breaks out. Brigham Young replied. (We shall build many temples for I want to hear the bells of hell ring out.) For we are waging war against hell. And there has been opposition in every state and country temples have been built. So remember who's side we are on. And may God be with you as you further study his word and visions given to his prophets.

[@zionmama150]

13:28 I don’t know that it doesn’t appear… But perhaps people have not thought of it. The mountains surrounding Salt Lake City feel like a security wall.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Someone else had mentioned that possibility, but i hadn't thought of it before. It's a cool idea.

[@michaelwhipple347]

​@@JJBrown-lw1dv How long did the wall keep Johnston's army out? Walls? I think so.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

That's a good point. The church had men stationed at all the passes, so they did act as gates. @@michaelwhipple347

[@stevenodell7662]

I'm very impressed with your line of thinking.

[@nicholdraper8366]

I love your explanation. I've always believed that the visions of the early prophets were based on truth. Many try to pick apart these for inaccuracies, but I don't view them that way. I imagine the authors living thousands of years before our period having been shown things in a vision and trying to faithfully write down what they remember after the vision. No one is accurate in visual testimonies, it's not like they would have pulled out a tape measure and marked off the lengths. So I'm not interested in that part of the debate. The part I find most interesting is that ancient prophets who often suffered setbacks and just the physical difficulties in life were shown a period when religion would thrive and people would achieve things that they couldn't imagine. Of course to view these visions as such one usually has to already have faith which is a lot more fun. Thankyou.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Thanks so much for watching it, and for your comment.

[@tinknal6449]

Someone certainly has a response video to this. I would love to see it.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

I would, too.

[@kevinferrin5695]

Wonderful. Thank you.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@robertrobb3159]

The wide streets were made that way so a horse drawn wagon could make a u-turn

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Tradition has it that Brigham said wide enough so a man could turn a wagon around without cursing.

[@charlynebeker9691]

The size was for a 4 horse team harnessed in 2 pairs pulling a wagon and being able to make a U turn.

[@halodisciple8459]

I heard the streets were made that wide so you could turn a wagon around, not because of any future considerations

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Yes he said he wanted wagons to be able to turn around. But he also saw a vision of the valley in the future. Wilford Woodruff was driving Brigham's wagon and said the following: “While gazing upon the scene before us, he was enwrapped in vision for several minutes. He had seen the valley before in vision, and upon this occasion he saw the future glory of Zion and of Israel, as they would be, planted in the valleys of these mountains. When the vision had passed, he said, ‘It is enough. This is the right place. Drive on."

[@mroldhat3309]

I think that the Book of Enki, twelfth tablet, mentions the Salt Lake. It was called the Lake of Anak by the Anunnaki.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

So you're thinking the "lands beyond the seas" is the U.S. Could have been Lake Bonneville in those days. The lands beyond the sea description aligns with some other ancient legends that talk about a copper trade from a land with a similar description. I've always assumed that one was referring to the Hudson Bay area where the Adena had massive numbers of ancient copper mines.

[@joe-mama6451]

There is a salt lake in north east India also. Fun fact I recently learned.

[@BartVanAllen]

Lake Michigan copper ore has been found all over Europe and other places in the world (chemical/mineral content analysis). The Jaredites appear to have had world wide commerce even though the "history experts" deny world shipping existed until modern times. The fact that South American and even Central American cities architecture, art and artifacts show relationships with those same peoples that created the vast cities and temple complexes in the Thai regions also show world shipping existed within the last couple thousand years. You mentioned Wayne May in an above comment, and I would refer you there for a beginning place to research more. People seem to discount the intelligence, ingenuity and daring of ancient peoples far too often. @@JJBrown-lw1dv

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Amen.

[@tylerbooth5591]

I wonder what the measurements (in miles) will look like in Independence, MO

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Pretty easy to figure out, I think. Cut and paste the Salt Lake Valley and place it over Independence, since the valley seems to perfectly match the east-west and north-south dimensions of the scrolls.

[@AnaliliB]

Thank you for this perspective and education. 🙏

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

My pleasure!

[@Alipotamus]

Thanks 👍

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Welcome 👍

[@stoutjordan]

Awesome video. My thought is that the city is surrounded by mountains and that could be the walls surrounding the city. What do you think?

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

I actually hadn't thought of that. That's why I love the comments. Some in the comments have even counted up about 12 entryways into the valley though the mountains. And one talked about Joseph Smithing writing that the Saints would someday live in the "stronghold" of the mountains in the Rockies. Of course, what better walls to surround you than mountains?

[@chrisrhoades7148]

Very interesting. Thank you.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@ensignj3242]

Thank you for sharing.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

You're welcome

[@raulbvelarde2701]

Amazing explanation!

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Thanks!

[@raulbvelarde2701]

@@JJBrown-lw1dv Welcome!

[@zionmama150]

Makes me think that “streets paved with gold” could be the yellow and white lines on the highways.

[@archangel_one]

I've been running in and out of the gates of Dan, Judah, and Joseph...and possibly Levi.😉

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

😀

[@curtisgeiger9134]

When will be build the wall that will surround the city?

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Who knows, probably never. Could be symbolic for a spiritual wall. Could just be a symbolic representation that it's a city of God. Could be referencing the fact that to be a member of the LDS church you are always assigned to one of the 12 tribes.

[@bartonbagnes4605]

Who says man builds the wall? We already have a wall of mountains completely surrounding the Salt Lake Valley that provides better protection than any walls man could make. In an interesting side note, Utah, which was forced on us by hostile Senators back East, translates as Top Of The Mountains or A High Place (which in modern english could also mean a Sacred Place).

[@jaredvaughan1665]

The 144 000 is an example that those exalted are both few and large in number.

[@Homepageturned]

There will be many more than 144000 that are exalted.

[@intignia]

I agree with what you have surmised.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Thanks for the feedback.

[@davidhawkins5719]

Try this on. What if the wall referenced in Joseph of Jacob’s blessing is symbolic for the veil? If so, Ephraim’s (Joseph) branches running over the wall represents the church’s Redemption of the Dead and proxy works.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Whoah, that's a good one. I think there's unlimited layers of meaning in all of God's actions. That's just how he works. In my book, if you find some meaning that makes sense, then it means something.

[@davidhawkins5719]

@@JJBrown-lw1dv I’m currently writing a book on John’s Book of Revelation. I’ve come across some amazing LDS discoveries. Who would you recommend in the LDS community to run some concepts by?

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

For Revelation, probably Michael B. Rush, but I don't know him. I did a Gospel Doctrine class video on Revelation, but it's pretty basic so it may not add too much. Be sure to study Joseph Smith Matthew 1 (Matthew 24) in the PoGP carefully to get things in the right order, If you haven't done so already. Joseph makes a LOT of clarifications about the last days. I've done a pdf that highlights all the corrections Joseph makes and what they might mean. It clarifies the distinction between the first Abomination of Desolation which was Titus, and the second one, which will be just before the Mt. of Olives. I can email it to you if you want. If you haven't already, I recommend my Hidden Remnant of the Lost Tribes? video I made. There are a couple new ideas in there. I've also done a big Word document that's sort of an index on all the Last Days scriptures. I can also email that to you if you want. Nothing I've done is proprietary.

[@peggynewman3598]

The New Jerusalem will be in Jackson County, Missouri not Salt Lake City, Utah.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

That's correct. I address that in the video. The Bible has descriptions of two cities of god, one being the New Jerusalem. The Dead Sea Scrolls text I'm referring to here describes a completely differently city than the two cities in the Bible; it's a third city of God. The city in the scrolls is never use the term New Jerusalem in the text or title of the scroll. The translators of the scrolls didn't know what to call it, so they just called it the New Jerusalem Scroll, which I consider to be a misnomer. My thesis is that the Dead Sea Scrolls are not describing the New Jerusalem, but Salt Lake City, which is a lesser city of god that is a precursor to the New Jerusalem that will be built in Jackson County.

[@marshanielsen6565]

love this idea

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Glad you like it!

[@davidmarkus7714]

Thanks!

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

You're welcome. Thanks for watching.

[@danielkunert6244]

I think that the New Jerusalem will be in Independence, Missouri which will have the same dimensions as Salt Lake City.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Possibly; I've thought about that. But in terms of its role of the great gathering, SLC has played a central role in the Marvelous Work and Wonder that was prophesied. It may be important enough on its own to be seen in a vision by an ancient prophet.

[@ThoseOneGuysInc]

@@JJBrown-lw1dv it also seems clear that SLC will still be around in the Millenium, even when NJ is built in Missouri

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

I think so too. I think it will be messed up during the first 3.5 years of tribulations, but not totally or permanently destroyed. I think it will be reclaimed as a city of light by Christ during the second 3.5 years of the tribulations after Christ appears at the Mt. of Olives. Although the new headquarters will be the New Jerusalem and the Renewed Jerusalem.

[@vinylsp]

Definitely on the right track. You need to read the book by Cory Winchell “The Supper of the Great God, Gog and MaGog”. Also look at the December 1958 National Geographic article titled “Geographical twins a world apart”.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Will do. Thanks.

[@vinylsp]

If you’re interested in the book, let me know. You can’t buy it, I know the author and can get you one at no cost to you. The author doesn’t sell the books but will gladly give you one. It was written 16+ years ago, it’s right down the line you’re on.

[@mwuth3727]

I would love a copy as well!

[@vinylsp]

@@mwuth3727 I’m in Utah, where are you?

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

I'd love a copy, but am willing to pay. [e-mail]

[@heidibrown2357]

I think this is extremely interesting. One thing I've noticed about these kinds of videos, however, is that the author picks and chooses which attributes that match up in their research with their hypothesis and discard all the others that might not match up or even refute it (ie. Ezra's eagle, etc). I haven't done the research to see if you've done that here. But it's REALLY interesting and not at all far fetched to think that prophets would have seen Salt Lake City thousands of years ago. Thanks for sharing! :)

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

The only thing I could find in the DSS text that clearly contradicted the idea of it being SLC was that the city had a wall around it. I do address that in my video, though.

[@heidibrown2357]

@@JJBrown-lw1dv Yeah, I saw that part. I was thinking that someday there MIGHT be a wall around it. Because we don't know what time period it was talking about. It could still be some future time period. Really fascinating stuff!! I really enjoyed the video!

[@derrickcox7761]

@@JJBrown-lw1dv it does....mountain ranges that nearly encircle it.

[@bobwilkinson1217]

Well, there are references in Isaiah about the people of God at the tops of the Mountains and references to the Everlasting Hills. Oh, and the blessing upon Joseph's seed like branches going over a wall--- the chapter and verse in the Old Testament where George Washington put his finger when being sworn in as President, after which he went to a church and prayed a "Covenant" prayer with God on behalf of this new nation.

[@CarlJohnson-ci4ed]

@@derrickcox7761 Maybe the 'gates' refer to canyons or passes. City Creek, Emigration, Parleys, Mill Creek, Big Cottonwood, Little Cottonwood, Corner, Jordan Narrows, Butterfield, Bingham, South of the Great Salt Lake and West of the Great Salt Lake can be accessed by vehicles.

[@DrHarryT]

Just because someone builds a city based upon scripture doesn't mean it becomes the city scripture is talking about.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Did you watch the video? I make it pretty clear that the city in the Dead Sea Scrolls doesn't match any of the cities talked about in scriptures. And the Dead Sea Scrolls weren't available in Brigham's day. The scrolls describe a city that's not described anywhere else. Yet, the city in the scrolls matches very well with the city built by Brigham.

[@DrHarryT]

@@JJBrown-lw1dv The dead sea scrolls match already existing 1,000's of manuscripts.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

@@DrHarryT But nothing in the scriptures matches the city described in the Scrolls I reference. The city described in the Scrolls is unique.

[@barbaraneville9056]

J.J. Brown: Three cheers for you and the ideas of Zion. For the Book of Mormon says it is yet to come.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Thank, you!

[@jacobsamorodin9937]

I smell Joseph Smith in this video.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

I hope so. He's my favorite mortal in history. If you want to talk more about him, send me an email: [e-mail]

[@chrysanthemum8392]

Fascinating!

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Thanks so much for watching it.

[@BlaineHeggie]

facinating

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Thanks.

[@Fireball_Tim_88]

They describe a physical city with metaphoric walls? Perhaps the mountains which surround salt lake represents these walls. How many roads lead into the valley friend? 😁

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

I hadn't thought of that before, but a number of astute students like yourself have made that connection. Some have pointed to the various entry points into the SL Valley and have counted about 12 of them. Interesting idea, for sure. Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@noplacelikehome9116]

That's neat!

[@timmcclannahan8309]

No coincidence

[@Doadab13]

We need to clean it up some if we’re going to call it a city of god. The crime is crazy there.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Amen. It's a Telestial version of a City of God to be sure.

[@behunin1963]

What are the number of highways entering Salt Lake. A highway is a gateway of sorts to enter a city.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

A few others have mentioned that. I hadn't thought of that before, but it's an interesting idea, for sure.

[@Rippinsteo2926]

If you count Redwood Road and I-15 from the South, I-80 from the East, I-15 and Legacy Hwy from the North, I-80 from the West, and then also include the SLC International Airport, well, that totals seven ways or seven “gates” into the city. Ha.

[@rogermartinez8606]

Crazy!!!!

[@NancyBrown-xw8hg]

Wow

[@dreampurplequeen1]

Except that's not where it was supposed to be 😕

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

You're right. I point that out in the video. I mention that there's scriptural accounts that depict the New Jerusalem, but that this city in the Dead Sea Scrolls describes a very different city. The actual Dead Sea Scrolls don't refer to this city as the New Jerusalem. The translators added that description on their own in the title. So I think the scrolls are not depicting the final Mt. Zion, which will be the New Jerusalem in Jackson County, it's actually depicting the Headquarters for the Latter-day Work of gathering that leads up to the Millennium, which is SLC. I go into more detail about Mt. Zion in my video, A Hidden Remnant of the Lost Ten Tribes? kzbin.info/www/bejne/kH3IlZuXjdB_las

[@jake8882]

Long shot. But interesting

[@adiospobreza]

Moroni foresaw the church and the subsequent events that will parallel the early church in the Americas, as depicted in the "Book of Mormon PDF" 3 Nephi 26 to Moroni 10. Mormon 8 is a good chapter. The Dead Sea Scrolls are also mentioned. As the church is also mentioned in Chapter 12 Chapter 18 Chapter 20, to name a few, of: "The Sealed Portion, The FINAL Testament of Jesus Christ PDF"

[@icecreamladydriver1606]

The Book of Mormon also tells us that we must awaken to the awful state we are in. We are warned that our leaders are corrupt so which part of the Book of Mormon do we accept? Very confusing.

[@Homepageturned]

​@@icecreamladydriver1606you are referring to the secret combinations of the last days. We have been warned of those secret combinations by prophets of old in the Book of Mormon of our day being over taken by those evil combinations. The church for a time will be over taken by the anti Christ, but that will only last for a short time.

[@238act]

"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:" Revelation 22:18 KJV "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you." Deuteronomy 4:2 KJV "And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins." Leviticus 26:18 KJV "And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you." Leviticus 20:14 KJV "Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, neither shalt thou take her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness; for they are her near kinswomen: it is wickedness." Leviticus 18:17 KJV "Cursed be he that lieth with his mother in law. And all the people shall say, Amen." Deuteronomy 27:23 KJV "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Revelation 21:8 KJV

[@lukeslc-xd8ds]

A "City of God" which today seems to be, in so many ways, UNgodly. (Speaking specifically of Salt Lake City. I will leave it as that.)

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Yes, a far cry from a true 'City of God." But in my opinion, it was built for God under His influence, and even today serves His purposes. Sort of like Jerusalem and its two temples all those years being run by Jews who were FAR from perfect. But I would still consider it a City of God, technically, because of how God has used it.

[@Homepageturned]

Where the most righteous or Godly people are, the adversary will counter that with the most wicked. It is a city of God but the evil one will fight against it continually.

[@rodneywallace6810]

Salt lake City has a lot of changing to do before it's considered to be a city of god.this is clearly wishful thinking.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Very true. In my "A Hidden Remnant" video, I point out that SLC is far from holy. However, it was built for God's purposes, like Jerusalem. And it has been the headquarters for a marvelous work and wonder, in spite of the weaknesses of the members of the church. For the purposes of this video, the fact that it was a city built and dedicated for God's purposes is what makes it unique from almost every other city on earth (in spite of its Telestial nature) and what provides an important corollary between SLC and the City described in the Scrolls.

[@groundhogsday732]

Love you but NO. Joe was not right in the head, just like the Joe we have now

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

LOL. Thanks for stopping by. I love you too.

[@keithdonovan6515]

I find this very interesting and the dimensions, if the start and end points are the proper one’s, kind of clinches it. But obviously there’s something missing. According to you the scrolls have very specific dimensions of the size of the blocks and streets, yet you make no attempt to translate these and see if they match the actual sizes of SLC blocks. I’m sure I could get a rough estimate myself, but you bypassing this info without comment tells me that the two sets of dimensions don’t match and you don’t mention it because it contradicts your thesis.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

No, I actually haven't done that measurement, mostly because I live on the east coast and don't have a way to go measure the different streets, etc. But also, I don't really care too much about that level of specificity. 6 very strong correlations all coming together was much more evidence than I was expecting to find. Then, I did the measurement of the city dimensions, and I didn't need any more detail to make my own conclusions. However, it's a valid question and could be fun to see if there's another layer of confirmation.

[@stevenhenderson9005]

The Dead Sea Scrolls come from a group call the Essenes. Is it true that the essenes were taking psychedelics that gave them prophecy and other spiritual experiences? (Magic mushrooms, DMT, LSD) I also wonder if this is where the idea of fasting came about, because if they fasted before taking the drug it would definitely heighten their experience. I know a lot of the Native Americans were smoking Payote to induce a spiritual experience as well.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Hmm. I've never heard of the Essenes doing that. Do mushrooms grow in the dry desert? I'm no expert on the Essenes, but it seems they weren't the authors of the scrolls, as much as collectors and protectors of ancient sacred texts.

[@stevenhenderson9005]

@@JJBrown-lw1dv There is a research speech conducted by Sunstone title: "The Restoration and the Sacred Mushroom" where they show how psychedelics played a roll in Christianity and how it brought forth visions and the spiritual experiences in the early days of the Saints. Psychedelics are all over the world, so yes they would be available even in the deserts as well as in colder climates like Alaska. However I don't believe we should discredit visions induced by psychedelics because there is strong evidence that it may be something God gives us as a way to connect our consciousness to the spirit realm. Scientists have recently been doing studies on it and finding that people's experience is more real then our reality on earth. They have seen people go into these studies as atheists and come back from their experience completely changed into a believer in God. Joseph would have saw his experience as very real. I have been doing studies on this over the last year and it is mind blowing.

[@rconger384]

Steven you might find this video interesting. (Channel - Delafe' Testimonies) / Video name: "I took Psychedelics as a Christian What I Saw Shocked Me." The man tells the story about eating mushrooms when he should have known better and feeling a rebuke from God for it. Does that sound a little bit like the word of wisdom to you?

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Steven, I actually know a bit about mushrooms, I just hadn't heard about them being used by the Essenes. I think it's a valid question, though. I had a family member use mushrooms for a while and ended up having some negative entities attached that had to be gotten rid of. However, I think anyone who seeks to get through the veil without very strong protection from the Light becomes vulnerable to that type of thing. I've also heard of some early church leaders who used them to enhance their ability to "see." If that's true, and it was a positive experience, then I'm guessing they must have had assistance and/or protection from the Holy Ghost. I don't blame people for considering them spiritually dangerous, but I've known of trauma victims who have used them carefully to deal with subconscious issues with success. So I see them as a neutral tool that the dark side is always quick to take advantage of. So, potentially helpful, but also potentially hazardous. I can see why the Church would object to their use. Just a mildly informed personal opinion.

[@stevenhenderson9005]

@@rconger384 I just watched it and it was interesting how he described that there were levels in heaven and he basically chose where he felt the most comfortable. I have heard a lot of accounts of people having these psychedelic experiences and feeling as though it was more real then our life here. I have a theory that I am trying figure out. I am wondering if it is possible that Joseph Smith Jr. was introduced to psychedelics by his father to cope with young Joseph's pain from the leg surgery. There is an account of Joseph Smith Sr. Seeing the vision of the tree of life after consuming contents from a box. Huge indicator that Joseph Smith Sr may have been very knowledgeable about psychedelics which may have influenced young Joe.

[@RealRadNek]

Yes, just as sure as Mohamed was a prophet of God.

[@theGentlemanCaller73]

No. They don't.

[@bartonbagnes4605]

Your statement needs clarification. Are you saying these manuscripts don't translate to what the experts have translated them to say? Or are you saying that these measurements aren't what he said they are? Both of these are facts. It is also a fact that no city, ancient or modern, comes near as close to the measurements given in The New Jerusalem Scroll. And since the measurements of a Cubit and Rod varied throughout time, our modern measures could be a little different from the Essenes. So it could be an exact match.

[@justinsidious9772]

No.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Yes. no gives, no backs, no takes.

[@timmcclannahan8309]

Even MORE evidence The Church Of Jesus Christ is THE TRUE and living Church on the Earth.

[@brandahmessenger433]

[@GuitarPrepper]

My problem with this is the salt lake lds people are very clickish and outputting....they shun you if you don't look the part,no matter what your testimony.....sad reality!

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

I grew up LDS overseas, and then on the East Coast, but spent time in Utah, as well. I've also felt that the SLC LDS culture can be a little insular. It's basically true of any mono culture, where a high concentration of people are the same race and religion. But I think things are much better now than what I experienced in SL in the 80s.

[@Royalltop1]

I am a convert to the church. And went through Utah in the 80s. I have since moved here a few years ago it still has members who are very clickish as you say. But there are also a lot of them who are very beautiful people. You just have to look for them. Unfortunately just because you have the truth does not mean you understand how you should act. I also feel it may partly be they are too close to the fire. Making them become numb towards those around them. There are just too many members and not enough places to serve others. Which helps to keep you humble and to feel needed.

[@richardjeppson7361]

Given that Salt Lake has the 7th highest LGBT rate in the nation, I'm not so sure one could call it a city of God. I seem to recal John Taylor himself saying Salt Lake City would become one of the most wicked cities in the nation. I'm not sure how one would square these things with it being a prophesied city of God. Without some serious cleaning up first.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

I agree with you. I sort of address that in my Hidden Remnant video. In my usage, it's a city of God because it was built and dedicated to God's purposes. I'm not sure any large city in the world can live up to the expectations of being an actual City of God until the millennium. Jerusalem would also fit this description in that it was built for the purposes of God, even though it never really lived up to it for very long. However, as I point out in the A Hidden Remnant video, SLC, in all its very real weakness, has been host to a marvelous work and wonder and fulfilled many ancient prophecies. And so has Jerusalem.

[@spoonfullofsugar6247]

Brigham Young knew the Bible inside and out. He, most likely, fashioned the streets the way the Bible states. I was born a Mormon, which is WHY I do not embrace religion. My faith is in GOD and not in a book or religion. Faith should not have a label/brand.

[@jasondraper2829]

Right, faith shouldn't have "a label"? Or in other words, an objective standard by which to measure the commitment to an ideal you claim to hold? People who claim that they believe in God, but not in religion, are idolators pure and simple. They worship themselves and rationalize their behavior as moral. Probably 90% or more of people easily fulfill the bulk of any moral code as a matter of course. Most people don't want to kill, so it's easy for them to obey that commandment, as an example. But religion says that it is insufficient to refrain from being evil, and instead we must actively strive for consistent positive action. And this is where we see people crumble. And where they leave "religion" but say they still embrace "God" as a way of justifying their failure while creating an environment where they can't fail anymore because "God" doesn't judge them anymore. So you couldn't handle the performance standards and you left. But you can't have faith now because you had no faith then. You never cottoned on to the fact that the standards in "For the Strength of Youth" were to be followed so the Spirit could teach you of Christ. You didn't understand that the Scripture Mastery in Seminary was not for a grade, but to open your mind and spirit, to the Spirit, in order to be taught about the Atonement. You went through the checklist, but never put in that bit of greater effort to understand why the checklist was even there. It's like that anecdotal lesson that starts out "For want of a nail, the shoe was lost..."

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

Thanks for watching the video and for sharing your views on God. That is welcome here, and that doesn't make you an idolator, in my opinion. To your point, though, the Bible does not include this account found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Nothing like it shows up in the Bible, and no city in the Bible has all these elements together. The vision that some ancient prophet had which was included in the scroll describes a city that was unusual in those days and unusual at the time Brigham was designing Salt Lake City. The scrolls were only discovered in recent decades.

[@tinknal6449]

@@jasondraper2829 Jesus spent a lot of time talking about false teachers and false churches and was in fact killed by His own culture's religious institutions.

[@icecreamladydriver1606]

@@JJBrown-lw1dv I am 69 years old and I was taught that the plans for Salt Lake City came from Joseph. I have found that many of the things I was taught growing up and beyond are becoming a thing of the past. I just can't imagine that the true church of God would be constantly changing and so I am very confused.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

@@icecreamladydriver1606 You're correct. In fact I mention at minute 1:03, at the very beginning of the video that Brigham patterned the city after a plan revealed to Joseph Smith in 18.33. So yes, it was revealed to Joseph first, and then Brigham Young used that as a template for the Great Salt Lake City.

[@ChildePC]

If you cant show the scroll and its original content.... WE CANT VERIFY ITS ACCURATE. You might as well have made it up to justify the lds designs

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

You're being silly. I literally showed the cover of the book by Wise and Abegg (non-LDS scholars) who produced the text I used. Anyone can go to the book and check my work and see that my quotations from the book are accurate. Also, of course the scroll is available for anyone to test the translation on their own. Here is the book with the translation I used: www.amazon.com/Dead-Sea-Scrolls-New-Translation/dp/006076662X Here's where anyone has free access to the actual scrolls: orion.huji.ac.il/resources/DSS_online.shtml#:~:text=The%20Israel%20Antiquities%20Authority%20(IAA,search%20options%20on%20the%20site.

[@dudescamping]

That’s some serious mental acrobatics to justify the false prophets of Mormonism. Joe made the prediction that the temple would be built In Missouri “In his generation”. I think Dueteronomy 18 applies here.

[@michaelwhipple347]

Cool bro. You do know that the promises of God are always conditional, right? Had they been righteous and not let contention within the community, then yes, that temple would've been built at that time. They didn't step up and do what they were commanded to live. Just because you don't want to believe we need prophets, doesn't mean they don't exist. I mean, look at the ancient Israelites... They crucified their God. The people who should've know better. So why would I really care if people criticize me for following a prophet of God. I'm a much better person because of it. You don't have to agree, but comments like this just come off so condescending and disrespectful. Good luck in life.😊

[@donnahong5998]

No, Satan copies God. The Mormon institution and founders have taken from esoteric knowledge stemming from Freemasonry and is a heretical church. The Bible is The Word of God and yet Mormons say their books over ride the Bible, that Smith was given new knowledge. Now the Bible says anyone preaching another gospel let them be accursed. Galatians 1:6-12 King James Version (KJV) But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. The Mormons have done such a thing they preach another gospel one that make each man their own god, this is not, I repeat NOT the gospel in the Bible. The Gospel in the Bible says God came down to earth in human form being the Son of God Jesus, who took the punishment on the cross for all our sin and confessing Him alone and believing on Him alone and what He did on the cross will redeem you onto the Father. No works you have to do. Just receiving the gift that Jesus provided and believing on Jesus for your salvation. That is the only Gospel!

[@Royalltop1]

May I say to you. That you have a lot to learn about the Bible. And about and how the members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints feel about the Bible. At no time has any member said the Book of Mormon is greater then the Bible. The Book of Mormon testifies of the truthfulness of the Bible. It is a second witness to the Bible. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. If you have ever done any carpentry work you would understand this better. If you take two boards and put one nail in them you can turn those boards every which way you desire. And this is what people have done with the Bible. They turn it to fit their narrative. That is why there are over two thousand different translations of the Bible. Which being are even more churches then there are translations of the Bible. This showing that there is much confusion in the world. People taking away from the meaning of the Bible by changing it to say or teach what they want it to say or mean. The Bible is not for private interpretation. Mans wisdom is limited and his understanding is weak. The Book of Mormon is like putting a second nail in those two boards. The Bible being the first nail. And with that you stop men from turning the Bible to say what he wants. And just so you know the Bible testifies of the Book of Mormon. God is no fool, he knows and understands the hearts of men. God also loves us all and does not desire to have his children stumbling around blindly. For he knows all things and has provided a way to help us find our way through all of the confusion in the world. So instead of cursing that which you do not know and understand. Read the Book of Mormon and follow the promise made to you in it as many before you have. The same promise is made in the Bible as well. Ask God if it is not true. If you ask with a sincere heart with real intent. He God through the Holy Ghost will make the truthfulness of it known unto you. For the Holy Ghost can help you to know the truthfulness of all things. And neither the devil or any man can lead you astray again. Unless you allow it. God does not leave loop holes or cracks for you to fall into. He loves you and wants you to return to him.

[@shadedevyn4860]

We just have to wait and see who is wrong and who is right because all the signs are pointing that the end of time is near if it happen 5 or 100 years from now. It coming and it can't be stop. Also if you die early for some reason you will learn the truth. James 2 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect

[@lordhytro]

Sorry, but 5 min in the Bible destroys this idea. You can choose to believe this, but take heed, and choose wisely; because you will have to reject God's word, the bible to do so.

[@lukeslc-xd8ds]

Uuuuuuuuuh, okay?

[@michellekost7846]

Never will I leave the church. The Church is true. Too many things have happened in the church for it not to be true.

[@JJBrown-lw1dv]

This video is about what the Dead Sea Scrolls actually say and about the physical realities of SLC. There is nothing in the Bible that addresses this connection, one way or another.