This does explain the concept clearly, and one can almost see the action in slow motion, but I think you will need a faster frame rate camera, and a closer view of those crucial milliseconds when the ball contacts the paddle. Of course, one should be able to reproduce this service simply by carefully following your instructions - if I start now, I guess I'll make it in my early eighties 🙂 (which is less than 3 years away).
@Brezinski1000 Жыл бұрын
I followed the instructions and in one week, I've been killing folks with it. That switch to backspin is easy and I enjoy the baffling looks in my opponents' eyes when their returns dive into the bottom of the net. It's my 2nd best serve now after the pendulum. Oh...I'm 71.
@Foxatrot Жыл бұрын
One day I hope to be as old as you gentlemen
@jessam5 Жыл бұрын
our city sports event just ended yesterday, it has been 3 years of me not practicing, and results came when it was my turn to play, it took me a while to get used to the table because it was so low lol, but it was just the beginning, as soon as we started the match, i served a pretty high ball, it got to the point where i lost hope of winning because i was in a dis advantage, because the other player was used to the table and has been practicing way before the event started, and im here just waiting for everything to end, but i got the chance to play anyway lol im gonna start learning new serves now, for the next event next year thank you so much for this
@subhabratadas84192 жыл бұрын
There are so many levels to this game. Even after playing TT all my life I had difficulty picking up that serve even on slow motion.
@IamMotionMedia2 жыл бұрын
I dont blame you, picking his serve from the rear camera angle is virtually impossible. The key is to ignore all his superfluous movements, actions and windups etc and just really focus on where the ball is making contact with the bat, as to whether you should close your bat angle or open it. Also differences in ball toss, serving position and stance can be dead give aways as to which serve he is doing.
@jphb952 жыл бұрын
Man Wow your channel has grown LOADS since I first saw ur tutorials. This is just premium content for FREE tom. Genius.
@SharawyFit Жыл бұрын
Thnx😍
@joeythelemur22 жыл бұрын
6:45 Love Craig's cheeky smile when he got you to curse. :-)
@eyemallears26472 жыл бұрын
Hey Tom. The quality of the video has really improved! The audio is great, the content is great…. Now all we need is a MUCH more detailed slow motion feature because even in slow mo I’m none the wiser trying to see what he’s doing at the contact point! This is a compliment to him, not a criticism of the video!!
@mudzyop15332 жыл бұрын
Just slo mo the bits of the vid that is already in solo mo
@dwarfrom2 жыл бұрын
Tom just needs to ask Craig to omit the fake moves after contact.
@Brezinski1000 Жыл бұрын
@@dwarfromNO! The fake moves are the bomb. Awesome serve. I practice if often on my kitchen table.
@chrisbrodroy11832 жыл бұрын
These tutorials on your channel and especially the ones with Craig really help me a lot! Thanks for such top quality content!
@erdling31322 жыл бұрын
Every serve looks the same to me, even in slow motion
@snowman12862 жыл бұрын
Yes i think so too
@randsp3c7092 жыл бұрын
it looks like he's putting underpin lol
@TitaNiUm-NaZ2 жыл бұрын
if you look closely in top spin the ball hitting the top portion of the racket which gives a top spin then very quickly fakes an under spin motion which as a receiver will be hard to tell while the underspin hitting the lower portion of the racket which will give an under spin and by using the same motion it will make those variations confusing to the receiver i hope i didnt confuse you even more with this explanation LOL
@anthonycecil70702 жыл бұрын
Your basic I phone has super slow motion. Too high tech?
@jamesmcallister20052 жыл бұрын
Until u try to return it
@Ichselbst66062 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much, Tom and Craig for the in depth explanation of this serve and its variations. I don‘t think I‘ll ever be able to serve (or return, that matter …) such a „deadly“ ball but it sure looks great!
@suavidemircioglu79852 жыл бұрын
Thnx a lot. One of the best kicker serve demonstration with lot of explanation. And it is fun as well. All the best 🏓
@nowthenad3286 Жыл бұрын
Even when I play the slow motion at a slower speed, I still can't spot his little topspin flick before he follows up with the appearance of backspin. You would have to get one of those incredible high speed cameras for this to be perceptible.
@aerotus8882 жыл бұрын
This is one of the most deceptive serves out there. Amazing technique. Thank you for the detailed explanations!
@melbonz412 жыл бұрын
Wow..its great...I will try to practice this one.
@KealEzlo2 жыл бұрын
I tried to learn this serve but didn't use it much because mine is very low quality. Still, by understand the mechanics of it, I don't have much problems reading Craig's spin here. If you struggle reading the spin in the video, maybe can try learning the serve yourself. The trick here is to notice the server's wrist just before they contact the ball. For the top spin, because server will need to "flick" the wrist a little bit, the wrist will point a little bit down. For back spin, the wrist will be fully pulled back for the strong downward brush. Still though, it is easier to read when seeing from behind Craig. It would be much more difficult when standing across the table, where the server can "hide" the serving hand behind body.
@glenn74845 ай бұрын
Thanks, observing the starting angle of the wrist is such a good tip! It hadn’t occurred to me 👍
@pablominnaro35022 жыл бұрын
I already learned this serv from one of you previous video. It helped me a lot thanx !
@pareshshah14436 ай бұрын
Tom - Can we have a video of different serves - with the server facing the camera - but showing it from the receivers perspective . Would be a great learning video - identifying the serves. Love your videos and have been following them for some time.
@RandyDaGamer Жыл бұрын
What a great video. You guys are awesome.
@hyttennis2 жыл бұрын
Very nice. The only thing I would say is that that becomes so much harder to pull off with a vertical ball toss
@michaelmichael21215 ай бұрын
And when he doesn't make contact behind his stomach. It's a very foul serve and almost impossible to return if you haven't practiced with the guy for weeks. This is why table tennis can never take off as a spectator sport on TV. Far too much trickery and not enough genuine sporting endeavour. Imagine Djokovic or Federer having to put up with shit like that. In tennis the authorities know that rallies means viewing. Table tennis will never ever take off and always be a joke with fewer viewers than darts, squash, badminton or any other comparable discipline. Remember when Barry Hearn took over the hard bat competition, rallies are guaranteed and people tuned in to it. If only the ITTF and ETTA as the guts to clean up serves so that they didn't give such an unfair advantage to otherwise shite players, there may be some hope.
@kjhgaseiyufbef16042 жыл бұрын
this one and the classic tomahawk serves are killing me. when I play against somebody who is serving them all day against me in a tournament, I feel like I have no chance. this serve is very good if you struggle to serve reverse pendulum close to the body.
@abhishekdutta1442 жыл бұрын
Most underrated serve in tt. Wang hao used it to perfection.
@rommario552 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video, very clear, will try it tomorrow.
@amirznd100815 күн бұрын
I love this guy very good demo
@pitzburgscotish2 жыл бұрын
Basically, if you serve your kickers with right forehand and there're mainly two types of spins----your right topspin and right backspin. As to a lefty player,if you serve a kicker to his left desktop area,he'll return you no matter a left topspin loop,a left topspin speedo or even his left side spin snake by his forehand.Then,he'll also start a series of forehand attacks for you in return as soon as you give back those returns higher than the net from his desktop.
@tristancornelsen3017 Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much I’ve got three new serves may have took me 30 minutes but I got three
@СергейДонченко-ъ7н Жыл бұрын
Хоть и непонятен язык,но объясняет шикарно ,на пальцах,как говориться!
@KrisBotha Жыл бұрын
This is an amazing serve 🙂 so subtle, so effective
@HikingScenery2 жыл бұрын
Great video, and lots of fun. I think I picked maybe one at the end there. Not a great percentage.
@karlschonborn47002 жыл бұрын
When i am watching your video you really make my day
@blueheart98732 жыл бұрын
My favourite variation of the reverse pendulum is side-topspin. Just because it is hard to follow with the eyes. It goes fast and in a zigzag motion. The opponent thinks the ball goes to the right after the bounce but it goes left instead. If you hit it completely on the side it does go to the right so it's really tricky to return
@oppapingpong2 ай бұрын
Nice sharing, coach. Thanks
@scottpitner42982 жыл бұрын
So much trickery the ball doesn’t know what is going on. ;) Awesome
@DSKHo19682 жыл бұрын
Love it@ got to try and develop this one and add it to my repertoire!
@asriyapai2 жыл бұрын
craig bryant serves never let me down
@zegson98092 жыл бұрын
Awsome! Especially that old lady
@gg801082 жыл бұрын
yes think the spin is produced in only a few milliseconds of contact then the rest fluff. Same as the snake!
@FedorMachida2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Thank you Sir. I would probably be very lucky just to get a few return serves back. Very difficult to recognize the top spin vs. the back spin serves.
@7nachiket2 жыл бұрын
Amazing levels of complexity, couldn't even make the difference in all serves in slow motion before I had to watch for 3 times 😀
@ltoyota10 ай бұрын
How does contacting the top part of the racquet with an open face create top spin? I have a tennis background and I’m used to having a closed face at impact for top spin. 1:43
@amitabhshakya84522 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this amazing video, can you pls make video on how to receive this difficult kick serves?
@washnery2 жыл бұрын
I'll practice this serve, thanks a lot for the tips!
@suavidemircioglu79852 жыл бұрын
Only remark would be about legality of the serve if after the toss the ball might go a little behind the body, therefore you might be hiding the ball with your body/shoulder. Off course, this is also question for all kind of pendulum serves. All the Best 🏓
@paulbismuth102 жыл бұрын
That's a problem rarely rectified by the umpires.
@suavidemircioglu79852 жыл бұрын
@@paulbismuth10 Yes, indeed 🤷🏻♂️
@abhishekdutta1442 жыл бұрын
Legality of serve in tt is always debated. I wonder how Dima serves. He clearly dosent throw the ball perpendicular in his tomahawk serves but his serves are clearly visible though. Only have seen samsonov having the cleanest serve in the circuit.
@pw74142 жыл бұрын
even in the slow motion, i can't see Bryant brushes the ball upward 2:34, such a fantastic serve
@idrivearttabletennis2 жыл бұрын
Simply wicked. I can actually see you (any of us) accidentially returning one from time to time. Stay safe and well.
@modernninja78832 жыл бұрын
A good video, as always. Keep up the good work!
@SomeoneSmarter11 ай бұрын
I'm new to Table Tennis but I've been addicted to the Eleven table tennis game on my VR headset. I understand the concept of creating different spins on the ball to keep the opponent guessing. This video shows how well you can disguise the direction of the spin by fakes and dummy paddle movements. What I simply can't understand is how Pros are able to read these spins so well and return a vast amount of the pro serves. With the ball being all white, how can they read the spin?
@farahdanabyery80812 жыл бұрын
Thank you for tutorial
@tonydare76142 жыл бұрын
Fascinating but so hard! IEven in slow motion it's hard to read other than looking at the point of contact. I can disguise tomahawk serves to an extent but changing direction completely after the contact when doing heavy spin is really challenging!
@markusgut6154 Жыл бұрын
Another nice video. May I ask which bat the guy uses?
@brian953312 жыл бұрын
I love when Craig comes on your channel makes me laugh when u guys make funny sounds case of his service im the same lol
@ihaveaboyfriendmeh10262 жыл бұрын
The problem with service is, it borders on illegality. You are essentially hiding the contact behind your face. As a left handed player who stands down the line, I have called it out many many times in provincial tournaments.
@gapfaction11 ай бұрын
Amazing skills craig
@s.patterson5698 Жыл бұрын
So this is what I use to do and didn't even know it. When I was young I use to nail this...was nearly possible for players to return.
@marvinlinreb2842 Жыл бұрын
Hoping I have racket like that.
@Dans_TableTennis2 жыл бұрын
He showed this one at a serving course and not 1 person got it back, never seen more confused faces 🤣
@TomLodziak2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I have witnessed that too.
@Brezinski1000 Жыл бұрын
I believe you 100%. I've been using and getting same baffling results against players at my level and below. 1750.
@FUNKINETIK2 жыл бұрын
The double bluff is clever. Maybe it’s best to concentrate on the movement of the ball not the server, difficult I know. . just shut your eyes until you hear the sound of ball on bat, then open them super quick : ) P E A C E : )
@debashishmitra Жыл бұрын
See the person in the background stand totally still from 4:25 to 5:13
@Brezinski1000 Жыл бұрын
It just looks the same, but try it. I followed everything until the double bluff. It murdered three of my opponents. Very effective serves and good placement makes it even more effective.
@vladolokas9415 Жыл бұрын
Nice...one Question....I m see that ball before serving contact have litttle loop....In rules scrive that ball before serving contact must have vertical moving... I'm wrong ...or?
@Mbmtravels2 жыл бұрын
thanks sir , please tell wats ur setup blade and rubber
Everytime when I think he does an undercut it turns out to be a topspin, crazy!
@tuancao35 Жыл бұрын
We are here because we want to humiliate our friend at table tennis
@mevinwachiramuriithi82892 жыл бұрын
Hello and thanks for the tips 💯. I've just started my training and I would like to know which is the recommendable type of bat 🏓 to play with.
@mamuajageorgenorman99852 жыл бұрын
Hi Tom What i may choose for the spoon... Soft, Medium, or Hard spoon
@andreaseriksson8803 Жыл бұрын
I don't recognise Pär Gerell any longer... He has change his looks and also switched hand 😁
@jaredpreston86582 жыл бұрын
Lol love this video!! Everyone’s faces are like they just saw a magician.
@DragonWarrior9762 жыл бұрын
Hi Tom, thank you for sharing this video. I was actually looking for a good kicker serve tutorial and who better to learn it from other than the man himself? Craig Bryant. I have one request though. Every player has his or her playing preference. By which I mean, some players like to do underspin serve more and some like to do topspin serve more. So, for both the variations, if you can also explain where to position yourself after doing an underspin or topspin serve then it would be really useful (as a part of getting into stance after serve). I have noticed that players who do more underspin tend to stay close to the table after serve. Now, this works against them if they do a topspin serve since the returns kicks back to the server. I hope you get the idea. Thank you once again for your help!
@abhishekdutta1442 жыл бұрын
You need to be ready immediately with backhand topspin if you are underspinning more often also if you can just get the serve a bit more short then it will give an added security of a push return. The best use of the serve was done by Wang hao. Watch how he positions himself after each serve more often backspin and no spin with the kick serve always ready to suprise. He used this serve to great perfection. Also it suited him as he had a great backhand to come with the third ball attack.
@CT-nc9ku2 жыл бұрын
Yep,I really can’t see how he’s doing it. Just too good and I’m no closer to doing it myself.
@pablominnaro35022 жыл бұрын
It is not as hard as it can look like. But it require some practice but he you have enough time it's worth it. Just do it step by step. First just try to be able to generate the up spin by brushing like Craigs. Once you can do that, just add some fake motion. Finaly you just have to make it really fast to confuse your opponent. Craig(s serv are way better than mine but it is still working great !
@inquistive2 жыл бұрын
#TomLodzaik - what TT club was this filmed at please?
@TomLodziak2 жыл бұрын
Plymouth Table Tennis Club
@MaxOng-y2y Жыл бұрын
At 1:58, u mean like contact on top of the ball?
@tonyvsa96able2 жыл бұрын
You can tell by looking at the point of contact with the blade. If its high its topspin and if its low its backspin.
@box.102 жыл бұрын
How would Paul Drinkhall fare with Craigs kicker serve?
@craigyb222 жыл бұрын
I’ve played against Paul and with Paul many times. Paul might miss 1 in a 100. Paul and I played in the same team in Belgium one season and he would often misread my serve, on purpose when our opposition were watching to try and intimidate them more. That was always good fun! 😂😃
@AndyK6652 жыл бұрын
@@craigyb22 Love it!
@dd-solutions15372 жыл бұрын
@@craigyb22 Hi Craig, still nice to watch your serves, still impressed. Greets. Danny (You played in the team with my son Jules 2 years ago In Berlaar)
@craigyb222 жыл бұрын
@@dd-solutions1537 Hey Danny, has it been 2 years already? Time is going too quickly! I hope you are all well?
@dd-solutions15372 жыл бұрын
@@craigyb22 Yeah, already 2 years, time flies. All ok here. Good luck to all of you!
@DcDONC2 жыл бұрын
How tightly is the racquet held for each serve
@Niki_Parvanov11 ай бұрын
What rubber is that made with?! My $50 racket can't accomplish this eve so if I attach it to a drill
@noobstergaming1162 жыл бұрын
Nice video
@forrestorange Жыл бұрын
I think the problem with receiving this serve is that the opponent can't see half of it. Compare this to a backhand or a tomahawk serve, where the whole service action is visible. If the opponent could see the whole action it would a) be a lot easier to return and b) a lot fairer.
@z0uLess2 жыл бұрын
Is there a way of doing reverse pendulum effectively with this base movement?
@marvin94992 жыл бұрын
feels like he is throwing a ball not directly up but more like towards own body, is it allowed by rules? I guess it might help to create more momento and spin
@pablominnaro35022 жыл бұрын
Not really allowed but a lot of player are doing that without any problem with the ref so... Also very cummon for reverse pendullum serv
@gg801082 жыл бұрын
I play doubles and be nice to see some serves from the right side of the table.
@richardj65932 жыл бұрын
Tom, how do I contact Craig for remote serve lessons?
@TomLodziak2 жыл бұрын
This is Craig's website with his contact details: www.topedgetabletennis.co.uk/
@richardj65932 жыл бұрын
@@TomLodziak thank you sir
@MidhunDasAM Жыл бұрын
Is this server illegal? The ball should not be tossed backward right?
@gerardocallaghan4232 жыл бұрын
Hi Tom, have started using this jab like serve with some success. However, recently had an opponent who refused to receive the serve as he said he couldn’t see the ball at point of contact. I believe there was a ‘line of sight’ available but he refused to move from ‘his ready position’ to see better. Not sure what visibility was like with Craig’s services but whose right in these situations? Can an opponent decide to refuse to receive the serve and simply turn away from it or is it the ref’s decision? I know there are a couple of different issues here! Thanks again for all your great training videos. Gerard.
@TomLodziak2 жыл бұрын
So when I return Craig's serves, I can always see the point of contact. I just can't read the spin! It should be the umpire who decides if a serve is legal or not. You could film yourself doing the serve. Put the camera where the opponent would stand and then play back the footage to see if the contact is visible. If yes, then you have a legal serve and your opponent was probably complaining because the serve was hard to return. If the contact is not visible on the footage, then you will have to change your action slightly.
@emilyjames3110 Жыл бұрын
@@TomLodziak I have tried so many different servers and I have found the right one that works for me as table tennis beginner 🏓
@georgitsvetkov3928 Жыл бұрын
I've played with some people using this serve and i can confirm as a reviver you can't really see the contract and 2nd the ball is tossed a bit backwards not vertical so for me this serve is not clean "legal"
@kailashjai23072 жыл бұрын
Hey Tom, I am your fan thank you for providing TT tricks na information...it helped me a lot Now I need good standard rubber to improve my game...How to purchase TT racket, Good spin rubbers people stay in India...Let me know how to buy the items.
@nareshhg4272 жыл бұрын
Coach sir Kindly advise in table tennis if ball hits blade/ frame of t.t racket (any wooden part of racket not covered by rubbers) ball will be still in play or will I loose one point as per ITTF rules. Thanks
@TomLodziak2 жыл бұрын
If the ball strikes any part of the bat, or your fingers / hand (below wrist), then this is a valid shot and the rally must continue.
@nareshhg4272 жыл бұрын
@@TomLodziak thanks a lot sir for your reply...
@solomanmania2 жыл бұрын
Awesome!, but most of the time with skills you need really nice paddles to both serve and counter. Even if we read the serve right the quality of the paddle can let you down.
@markfawcett510611 ай бұрын
How much glue have you put on it!?😊
@jameskinsella598 Жыл бұрын
Great serving - but thought you had to throw the ball in a upright position? Not backwards
@main___name___main___name2 жыл бұрын
It's possible with the double bluff, the action indicating a certain spin while imparting another and so on, that you could deceive yourself in addition to deceiving your opponents.
@georgitsvetkov3928 Жыл бұрын
The serve look amazing, the key point is hiding the contract with your arm or shoulder wich is considered as illegal, I've played with people using this serve and you can't see the contract so you just blindly guessing
@johnnyh64162 жыл бұрын
Did he explain how to get the "kick" to happen?
@andifineproject Жыл бұрын
Akhirnya semua bisa ngadapin serpis ini...
@amadeusbm2 жыл бұрын
Isn't that way of throwing the ball when serving against the rules?
@elias30262 жыл бұрын
I always look at where the ball makes contact (top or bottom). 90% of the time I read this kind of serves.
@LucaMatteis2 жыл бұрын
Nice video. Now how do I return these kind of serves :) ?
@TomLodziak2 жыл бұрын
If you can read the spin, then the serves are straight forward to return. It will either be backspin, which you can return with a push, flick or loop. Or if the serve is topspin, you can return with a block, drive or topspin. The difficulty is reading the spin in the first place. This is what makes it so hard.
@ramenandvitamins2 жыл бұрын
I mean this in the nicest way possible...PLEASE invest in a modest high-speed camera, OR investigate the slow-motion recording features offered by your smartphone! Please and thanks! Love your content!
@rprb19572 жыл бұрын
Oh, but how do we return it? Can you show a tutorial on that?
@hehe295 Жыл бұрын
is it legal? throw is not vertical also hiding the ball with arm and body
@mxbxx2 жыл бұрын
i reviewing super slow and again i can't recognize backspin or topspin 😵
@dalemiller21602 жыл бұрын
Are these serves legal? It look like his body shields the receiver from clearly seeing the ball.