The Death of Rhaenys Targaryen - ASOIAF Theories

[@chables74]

It’s a little surprising Tywin didn’t want to marry her to Tyrion, as a way of further humiliating the Targaryen legacy, the way he does the Starks later.

[@stevenedwardsca]

Pride being the fatal flaw of Tywin Lannister would like up well symbolically with the whole "lion" thing.

[@michaeltalksaboutstuff]

This is some great Tywin analysis here. The power of making one banger of a song about how cool you are. A good thing to remember folks.

[@reddest-x]

Honestly a strat. Hot take: Tywin is basically the Westerosi equivalent of a rapper that writes songs about how cool they are

[@TheCreepyLantern]

as a Christian "i forgot about the bible, i thought we were still talking about Yugioh" is one of the most hilarious bits of whiplash i've ever recieved. my brain truly doesn't know what to do with this concept.

[@spartancypher6412]

This means Tywins kids are even more alike with him with all of them being blinded by emotion when logic should take precedent

[@rosstemby1347]

And them being so in love with themselves they want to fuck each other but in this incest masturbationy way. I don’t think Tywin died from a cross bolt from Tyrion. He was tripping and he died of autoerotic asphyxiation and Cersei shot is corpse after the fact and blamed it on Tyrion again.

[@reddest-x]

Yes!!

[@AlaricXIII]

This has been my view of Tywin for a long time. Not great militarily just better equipment/more men. Not great long term PR but short term fear. He's like a CEO whose plans destroy a company in ten years for higher profit in the first two, including how people tend to praise him/them. I hadn't considered just how dumb this specific instance was but it fits.

[@chables74]

12:51, Gambling is the last name of my favorite hobbit in lotr

[@DukeDukeGo]

Amazing how well edited this video is

[@everettreynolds5167]

Tom I laughed at your Lazareen joke even if nobody else did

[@chables74]

41:39, honestly I’ve always assumed Orys and Aegon shared a mother but not a father, and that Rhaenys and Visenya had a different mother. But I just looked it up and it doesn’t seem like Aerion did the polygamy.

[@NaerysTargaryen26]

I think that aerion had orys before he had visenya, aegon and rhaenys bc we don't hear about him having other bastard children.

[@reddest-x]

Gods my internet is shit. Whups.

[@romainc6457]

Careful with gambling, it can be a double edged sword.

[@MoonManTheories]

This is a lot of good thinking. One rhing i wiuldd add to the procedings is the motivation on Tywins part, at all points of the story and in everyting he is doing, to see Jammie inherit the Rock rather than Tyrion. Very related to everything discussed here already. Great ep.

[@everettreynolds5167]

I did not show up for trading card jokes, but I am staying for them

[@simonholmes841]

Gambling sounds more like Gamling, one of the men of Rohan who defends Helm's Deep.

[@Rougarou99]

There is an interesting parallel between Tywin and Doran. Both are presented, and see themselves, as masterful players at the game of thrones, who play to avenge slights against them or their House. However, while Tywin plays without regards for consequences, Doran plays with nothing but regards to the consequences. It would be interesting to see how Tywin would react to his losing politically or on the battlefield.

[@sylvielaufeydottir2812]

Every time Tom mentions Yugi-oh I picture my childhood neighbor raging out over the “White Dragon Wit Blue Eyes” card that I always had in my deck.

[@jazzishuman]

I was just waiting for the realisation of the Tywin brainwash to kick in

[@bronhaller]

This was so frustrating to watch, as I twigged on fairly early as to where this was going, and Tom and Zac just kept on running down wrong paths 😆 Edited to add, it's refreshing to see their reactions once the penny drops ❤

[@reddest-x]

What's crazy is, they BOTH read these theories a couple weeks ago. They were drunk, but still. THEY HAD READ THEM. AND IT STILL TOOK THEM THIS LONG

[@bigfq]

Yes, Tywin is an idiot, all he does is throw money at problems and hope they work out.

[@reddest-x]

Money or the mountain, lol

[@InterestingNerdClub]

It's time for everyone's favorite gameshow: money or the mountain!!

[@AlaricXIII]

Holding the view that Tywin is dumb has led me to two further questions: Was Tywin even good at being Hand? Was he just better than alternatives or even just a lack of war (like Robert) masking that he was actually bad and letting problems grow? Was Tytos actually bad at being lord? All we know comes through biased sources (his kids, histories influenced by his views). The only exception I can think of is Sandor, whose story just tells us Tytos rewarded those who helped him. Giving him benefit of the doubt, I can construct a view of him that was pretty good at being lord but he died too young for his generosity to really pay off and was therefore unappreciated and his legacy tarnished by Tywin. (The pettiness in this theory for killing Rhaenys does make me consider if Tywin murdered Tytos for his slights too which I really hadn't thought of before.)

[@reddest-x]

Hm... I don't think Tywin would murder his father, considering he's all about the Lannister family... but it truly is a thought, since I guess he cares more about the line than the family itself?? (Idk he cares about Tyrion being kidnapped even though he hates him and doesn't consider him the heir...) Idk.

[@reddest-x]

But I totally agree that maybe he wasn't that great a Hand, he was just better than the alternatives... Though, reigning in the mad king and Jeffrey is quite the task and he did an okay job.

[@mikecohen7716]

I've kind of figured Tywin offed his Dad for a while. I believe Tytos dies very, very soon after the Reynes/Tarbeck rebellion, so... yeah, it fits.

[@thing_under_the_stairs]

@@mikecohen7716 I've had those suspicions for a long time too. There's not a lot I would put past Tywin in the pursuit of power.

[@basileusbasil4041]

My father and his college friends don't look related at all, but they've been called brothers multiple times.

[@reddest-x]

I had a friend in high school and our only resemblance was that at the time we had long brown hair and were about the same height. Had entirely different facial structure. Got asked if we were twins constantly.

[@angelajansons9037]

Remember that Tywin had his father's mistress whipped naked through the streets for 2 weeks, i believe. He's just a vindictive, thin-skinned, prideful monster, who then played it all off on the Mountain.

[@Cappy-Bara]

I got a Baby Theon Greyjoy that would work well in your Baby Ramsey Snow deck. I also got a rare baby Asha Greyjoy misprint where she is called Yara

[@Grumpygrump2]

I have a feeling that time traveling bran is involved

[@Holly_Fae]

We must have "What a DIsaster!" T-shirts and Hoodies.

[@jazzishuman]

I'm a good bit in and I DID show up for trading card jokes :)

[@Holly_Fae]

Ok I have changed my mind, you need to make a T-shirt that says Sex Pope.

[@thing_under_the_stairs]

I'd wear that.

[@rosstemby1347]

Finally someone said it. He’s Geoff Bronzewither amirite?

[@Magmafrost13]

Just a comment on the Orys tangent, my (perhaps-baseless) assumption has long been that the rumour came from Aegon (if it came from his father it would be an acknowledgement, not a rumour), and that it wasn't ever an attack

[@ryankrelic971]

Tywin? More like Tylose.

[@InterestingNerdClub]

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[@basileusbasil4041]

nooo not everyone having yugi's hair, it's too spikey.

[@MdShakilRana1]

nice

[@eisernefrontfanboy1588]

The method of convincing people you are talking about at the start is called platos dialectic or ars dialectica btw