the death of the artist : how roan and rooney saved culture

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[@PokhrajRoy.]

I’m just going to repeat myself and say that we do not need a documentary 20 years later about how we could be better to Chappell Roan. Be better now.

[@gaiagreen2690]

Analyzing the past is one of the best methods how to be better in the present.

[@Forceprincess]

Absolute deep agree. Let's finally learn these lessons

[@ronniesan9805]

100%

[@ishathakor]

no seriously people always come around years after the fact and admit they shouldn't have bullied that public figure then turn around and bully whoever is popular right now. just don't bully anyone in the first place. it's so easy.

[@Irisbilinsky]

No. She appeared on CBS and NBC, two corporations funding the IDF. She is working within the oppressor’s system and profiting from it. She is a fascist just like Lady Gaga.

[@scorpionbraid]

I honestly only barely knew about Chappell Roan before a couple of months ago but seeing this young woman draw such hard boundaries and loudly defend herself... could not be happier for her. I truly love that she's calling all of the weird and toxic bullshit into question and is actually willing to pull up the stakes of her hard earned career if that's what it takes. I hope she will continue to do music, but only on her terms and if she is happy to do so.

[@morbidsearch]

I discovered "Good Hurt" and "Pink Pony Club" when they were first released and I didn't know Chappell had exploded in popularity until I heard about the drama

[@benf262]

Honestly, let her be "selfish"

[@louera]

Same. Other people not letting her be human speaks a lot about how they view themselves.

[@BeanieKing]

And I'mma be completely honest... a Donald Trump presidency wouldn't be the end of the world! Let's let him have his fun, too, and see what happens.

[@SonderDAzeX]

yes, and im glad doja cat spoke out too.

[@Yasumy_myl]

The comparison between complaints about Chapelle Roan and the usual complaints about strikes makes so much sense! Thank you for unlocking that hinge in my brain that explains even more why it pisses me off.

[@foxinthenight]

The comparison between Chappell and Sally calling out their industries with strikes and fighting for better WORK conditions is so smart and gives the conversation a new, welcome layer!!! Brings it back to earth and to what they are: women working, not products.

[@indianguy2276]

The comparison with striking was a novel one that I really appreciate. Something else I've heard was how mental health and other "invisible" health issues are treated differently than physical trauma and injuries (e.g. a leg being broken)

[@cosyreadingtimes8857]

Thank you for your work. If you need a break at one point, know that this community will respect you and have your back (as we should).

[@kinolibby6580]

When I was 17 my favourite band was the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, I was so excited to see them at a music festival but they pulled out at the last minute. I felt disappointed but went on to have a truly amazing weekend. Festivals were so much cheaper back then and I now feel like they're kinda wasted on the people who can afford to go to them. Imagine being so entitled that you have no kindness or understanding for the artist you claim to love when they suffer from a very serious mental illness. Imagine being so spoilt that you can't enjoy a whole weekend of amazing music and entertainment because one artist dropped out.

[@cedaremberr]

Srsly, bipolar d/o is one of the most lethal mental illnesses. Do you want another young dead musician? This is how you get another young dead musician

[@joechip1232]

People who adhere to dominant ideologies often don't feel the need to justify or scrutinize their ideologies. To them, they are just part of natural reality, while those who challenge or otherwise fail to conform their ideologies are a problem that needs to go away. Part of the discomfort, beyond the fact that many of these gatekeepers benefit from the status quo, is that opposition or failure to conform reveals the faults and potential fragility of the status quo, as well as the fact that it is not the "natural order," but one way of doing things among an almost infinite number of possibilities.

[@morbidsearch]

This is why it's sickening how Israel simps use LGBT rights as an excuse for barbarism

[@PauLtus_B]

That's basically why conservatism exists. It's a desire to stay naive.

[@nicolasau]

I think it has to be highlighted that it's quite sad how Chappell's fans (and it's s just them in particular) assumed the worst of her immediately, it's as if they only love an idealised version of her and I think to a certain extent the fans expect a commodfied confessionality to appropriate her emotions as their own and when she doesn't meet those expectations and then she's meant to commodify her emotions in her art and by calling this behaviour out, I think she's trying to short circuit this exploitative cycle and stop herself from being sorta reified. Respect for that.

[@f1mbultyr]

What are you talking about? Most of her fans immediately had her back in all of this. The people who assumed the worst didn't even know who she was 4 month ago.

[@fruitygarlic3601]

@@f1mbultyr Most of her fans, the vast majority, didn't even know who she was until three months ago.

[@cedaremberr]

​@@f1mbultyrsounds like you're in a "no true Scotsman" fallacy

[@melinaalba63]

I think its mostly the "die hard fans" that act like this. If you like her music and thats it, chances are that you are distanced enough to see her as a person. If you are obsessed with her, as many people kinda were, you have to have build a clear picture of her in your mind, you have to have expectations about how she acts, what she says, who she is. And thats the kind of thing that leads people to be so incredibly offended, I feel like. Honestly, maybe she is doing it on purpose, trying to "get rid" of the fans that won't accept her boundaries. Maybe she's not doing it on purpose but I feel like it's the inevitable effect and maybe thats not so bad. Even though all of this must have been incredibly hard on her...

[@SonderDAzeX]

Yeah but chappel would have to completely deconsruct her Chappel Roan persona. Being in an industry were one becomes celebrity especially based on a persona is hard to escape especially when you want to keep engaging in that industry and the community it propagates.

[@DangitDigital]

The conclusion of this essy is so important! Its so cool when you take a hyper-viral conversation in celebrity culture and show us how the forces underneath these "controversies"point to something meaningful *for everyone* in them, like our creative relationship to capital and work!

[@johndoe6011]

The chipmunk follow as intro was great. Your smile was so happy haha

[@emilel]

the whole aesthetic of the video is so funny fsr omggg

[@estefaniamagalhaes3994]

Chapell Roan's situation also highlights the core issues with concert culture nowadays: people are traveling across countries and continents to experience an artist's work due to the difficulty in buying tickets (we all remember The Eras Tour's fiasco), and therefore are investing hundreds and hundreds of dollars/euros in that one experience. It's insane and nothing like the concerts of the past, when people traveled to the capital city of their country or a nearby one. With that culture shift, anyone who cancels a concert is seen as the cause of such a large financial loss, whereas in the past they just,,, had to give the money back to the buyers.

[@kkb9995]

Your content is so refreshing among all the pointless noise of social media

[@l01230123]

Chappell Roan isn't the most concise communicator, but she isn't wrong. Some people are reacting to her as if her perspective and feelings (like those related to stress) aren't relevant to the conversation. 😐

[@PauLtus_B]

It's a bit like audiences are expecting artists to be an extension of their art.

[@jazmynekml]

my issue is that i think she is speaking quite plainly and society wants her to speak “kinder” or “specific” which is linked to misogyny, women always must dumb down what they mean

[@l01230123]

@@jazmynekml I can definitely see that being part of the issue, not to mention some people's bias against a women being successful/famous and opinionated. 😓

[@butabara1234]

Where I'm from, approaching a celebrity who is "off the clock" is a big no no, people will judge you for severely lacking in self restraint if you do, even if you are nice about it. Children will get a pass of course, but as you grow into a teen and then an adult you are expected to respect that a celebrity not presently working is just another person. Seeing some of the reactions to Roans requests has been... wild.

[@Yalda581]

Where are you from ? (If I can ask)

[@EmL-kg5gn]

Same in my country! Idk if people would judge someone who did? But that’s because I’ve never seen anyone approach a celebrity, I haven’t approached the ones I’ve seen either. So idk how people would react to it because I’ve never heard of it happening

[@aeolia80]

For me it wasn't my area where I grew up (California), it was the theatre culture. I grew up in ballet then worked as an adult behind the scenes in theatre for more than a decade and in that world it was a big no no too, like the only time you could give praise to a performer was at the stage door after a show, and you would know exactly when the performer was leaving, never before the show, never outside of the show, only after the show just as they are leaving. Anything outside of that was considered rude. I had friends in my 20s that broke those rules all the time and I would get extremely uncomfortable, I would tell them it's not right/correct, they are still humans and to give them space, and my friends would say I was a party pooper and no fun

[@ishathakor]

we need this to be the norm everywhere. off duty celebrities are just people. following them around, going up to them and asking for pictures, trying to take pictures of them - these are all weird privacy violations. they should only be approached in an appropriate setting like at a signing or meet and greet etc. if they want to be approached in another situation they'll just go on social media and announce it

[@melinaalba63]

​@@aeolia80 In think the problem is that Fans see the interaction as a "now or never" situation. You're at a supermarket and you see Chappel Roan? Well, you might never see her again ever so you have to use this chance to talk to her/ get an autograph/ take a picture. Because of this, people just aren't willing to respect this boundary and say "right now, she's not Chappel Roan, the Superstar, right now she's a woman buying groceries". So i think in order for Fans to consistently respect the boundaries of their idol, the entire Fan culture needs to change. Although I do think in many parts that is already happening and many people are a lot more chill and know about parasocial relationships, reflect on that and try to stay more distant.

[@yasminechoerryscherry3701]

im studying journalism and i finally truly understand what transmedia is! (ofc alice explained it better than my teachers)

[@WheretheWillowsGrow]

watching the struggle between artists and audience for ownership of the art (whether that be a character, story, music) is one of the most interesting fights to watch online

[@PokhrajRoy.]

0:28 “That was so powerful. (Holds back tears) Academy Award.”

[@SegoLilyID]

I haven't listened to Chappell Roan's music and I haven't read a Sally Rooney book and I didn't know about the controversy around them, but I'm glad I've seen this video because I absolutely respect what they are doing and I hope more artists will feel they can do the same. Thanks for doing the work and making this available!

[@heatherhaven1268]

I’m old enough to remember Kurt Cobain being “the voice of the generation”

[@MrPunkbeto]

I also remember Cobain screaming "give me back my alcohol!". I always felt people did not really understand this part.

[@gloriathomas3245]

Kurt Cobain was hardly the voices of a generation. What sealed his legendary status was the rise Nirvana and the way he died, essentially people saw a another repeat of Elvis Presley. Michael Jackson would eventually go on to claim that mantal.

[@heatherhaven1268]

@@gloriathomas3245 I put it in quotations because that’s just what people say about him.

[@Forceprincess]

I love to see us acknowledge that creative work is work! Brilliantly done!

[@angelikicoletsou4463]

I really loved the twist with the strikes. Really interesting point!

[@melinaalba63]

When i heard about her cancelling the Festival and people complaining, i personally thought about all the times i called in sick at work because i was feeling incredibly, horrible depressed and simply could not work because i was so full of shame and guilt and self hatred. And some of those days i had important meetings or things that would have needed to get done on that day. Yet nobody even questioned the legitimacy of me calling in sick. I didnt even give a reason. I wrote an email "I'm sorry, i cant come into work because I'm sick" and that was it. And she's doing the same. When you are sick you usually dont know that a week in advance. She probably couldn't have cancelled it earlier because she simply didnt know she needed to. And yes, thats annoying for many people, but thats what happens when people have jobs. Sometimes they just can't do that job. And I firmly believe that everyone has the right to not work when they are sick.

[@melinaalba63]

Also to add: maybe the reactions online (at least the ones I have seen) are so different because in the US, as I understand, it's very uncommon to have a sick day and the work culture in general seems very different. So maybe the people in those TikToks and Podcasts and whatever are just used to something very different and are confronted with something that they entirely don't know. Which is different for probably most europeans I would guess, who kind of have a different work culture than the US, at least as far as I know.

[@coolsenjoyer]

​@@melinaalba63The US work culture is exactly it, and its frustrating that these people's reaction is "if I can't call in sick at the last minute, she shouldn't either" rather than "good for her, that should be a thing for all of us"

[@annf2220]

Thank you again Alice for a wonderful video! I've been wondering lately about the concept of transmediality ( I had no idea this was the term!) and how the internet is a breeding ground for hyper simulated experiences. Since so much information originates and spreads online, it's so hard to know what is real or true. I don't really use IG or Twitter/X often. When I do, it's super weird and very frustrating when I can mentally feel and see these "bubbles" of illusions that many people, myself included, can get stuck in. These bubbles make it harder to have more nuanced conversations and expression because information is usually condensed into a linear/one-dimensional perspective to be more accessible. That's why the Chappell Roan issue, which is only an issue because of how the internet works, is happening.

[@LorenaOlafFurter]

yay this was great! ur channel is my favorite sociology class

[@theniteowl7777]

it is more important now than ever that all artists, no matter the medium, fight to protect their output from corporate meddling, and find ways to establish a direct connection with their audience.

[@talideon]

Blindboy Boatclub often gets criticised for his continued use of the plastic bag to preserve his anonymity and all this is a good example of why.

[@Mar-lf3ni]

I think this is one of your best videos so far! I found it really enlightening

[@lolizorz]

The song that plays during the squirrel sequence is Easy Breeze - Victor Lundberg

[@arc683]

I've missed your videos more than anything!

[@pendragon2012]

I'll admit: neither of these two is my cup of tea, but you raise some interesting points. It reminds me a bit of arguments I've had regarding NFL athletes in the US--yes, they're making crazy money, but they're also earning it through what they do. It's not the billionaire owners who make us want to watch the games. So if the crazy money the NFL is making has to come to someone, I'd prefer it went to the athletes. Always a pleasure, Alice! Hope you're having a good week!

[@weebcrit]

these examples remind me of the backlash women of Color in athletics like Simone Biles and Naomi Osaka faced when they prioritized their mental health over sport, and the backlash many athletes have faced for using their platform to speak up politically

[@cynthiapucheanu34]

I love how well documented your videos are always

[@soilnrock1979]

I just love how you say "book" :-* I'm enjoying your channel a lot - merci!

[@ryanabc5736]

Commenting to boost you always have such interesting takes

[@sylvianazareth6405]

such an amazing essay! congrats!

[@henrywebster9318]

I first heard of hyperreality reading “Superstorm: Design and Politics in the Age of Information” by Noemi Biasetton. The book’s focus is on propaganda and much of it went over my head at the time. Eye-opening to connect it with Roan and Rooney. Thanks for the great video!

[@mirjamk.8843]

instant like for the squirrel + intro music

[@keaganfarr4938]

How would writers that fully anonymonize themselves like Elena Ferrante figure into this discussion? It seems at the least to be one clear way to "kill the author" and shun the media, but it's certainly different than Roan or Rooney, too, and it's a practice that's existed for various reasons for a long time. Does commitment to being anonymous take on a whole new meaning and significance in the social media age, too? I roll my eyes at mentions of Banksy (idk exactly why, to be quite honest), but that's another example of an "anonymous" artist that comes to mind, yet it seems very different from the Ferrante example and seems to utilize 'the media' in a different way that's more like ambiguous corporate branding in a sense.

[@TinaMcCall.]

How DARE you show me my true face!?! - Boundary transgressing, hyper-reality enforcing culture

[@SonderDAzeX]

I mean I can understand both sentiments regarding paying fans coming to see a performer that they already paid to see a performance in advanced for on a specific date, and understand the performer canceling for Mental health reasons.

[@jeijeineb]

Ooh this video came just in time ❤❤ thank you Alice 👏🏼

[@floraidh4097]

I don’t know if it’s a change brought on by the internet or if it’s just made worse by the internet, but I see a lack of empathy almost everywhere online. Lady Gaga called fame a prison and everyone just told her she was ungrateful and whining. Mothers acknowledge that life as a parent can be hard and people just say ‘you chose this so shut up.’ Poor people talk about their challenges in making a living and they’re told to ‘get a better job’. None of us would appreciate being spoken to in this manner but we do it to others as long as we can hide behind a screen. You would never say these things to your friends (and if you would you probably don’t have many friends) but online we have nothing but derision for each other and I’m so tired of it.

[@avapshezan]

Just a moment... OMG, you're also left-handed! Such a wonderful thing to notice 🖤

[@lydschnid61]

Chappell is a little complex because of the added layer that Chappell is different than Kayleigh (the real person) but that Chappell and Kayleigh share lots of things - for example that Chappell performs about very personal and emotional things that Kayleigh has also experienced, such as sexuality and growing up. So it just becomes a little hard to know when we are supposed to recognize that Kayleigh is being Chappell (a celebrity) and when she's being Kayleigh (a real person).

[@FeelKarmatic]

Love this video. Always getting back to materialism and work is a brilliant way of seeing this

[@heat420_7]

C'est magnifique! Thanks for another great video. ❤

[@warqaanizar2527]

Before it was about the artist having authority over his or her art,. now its about the artist having authority over themselves

[@ArpitaPramanick-y4t]

Très bien Alice! J'adore cette vidéo ❤ c'est un coïncidence que mon ami me donne le même livre de Rooney. Je n'ai le fini pas encore mais je vais lire "The death of the author" et "Simulacra and Simulation" ce weekend. Merci pour ta vidéo encore, bien dit! ❤

[@pikelrick7542]

I Love the intro. it giving me 80s vibe

[@alinehhh]

Another important video to start the day with. Thank you!

[@hiddensquid349]

Wait I actually had to pause and laugh for a second at that Oscar acting bit at the start 🤣🤣🤣

[@morbid1.]

I'm very introverted guy and I never was interested in celebs, artists, performers. Honestly I find it kinda pathetic when people have so much interest in celebs and follow their every move. I literally have no idea who are those women, I have bands that I listen for years and I don't know any member's names or in many cases how they look. I guess "death of the author" is natural for me...

[@Bananova-slupka]

I think people dont understand mental melth issues, they think of a bit of stage anxiety and not serious a real struggles

[@peterwiley706]

This is a brilliant piece. Thanks.

[@kaceyabbott2576]

That intro was beautiful Alice xxx

[@scorpysubb]

1,5 whole minutes to prove that you do in fact touch grass 🤣 even the squirrel was surprised by it

[@andremedeiros2181]

I really really like your videos!

[@sarahg2671]

This was such a fascinating video and I appreciated very much the link between commentary on strikes and on the public image of these two artists. Interesting to note that the backlash you posted about Chappell Roan's cancellation came from a festival, rather than a solo gig - even more layers of weird privilege given that the fans attending would be seeing other artists. I also appreciated the way you contextualised Barthes and Baudrilliard, and thinking about the political views Rooney and Roan being antithetical to the money-making machine. I'm not sure if you purposefully avoided or only gestured toward it - but a lot of the backlash these two artists face also comes from their public and prolonged advocacy and support of 🍉 That seems an important point of intersectionality, and why some of the criticism (especially of Roan, as a queer woman) is on hyperdrive.

[@dl-zf9dj]

i rly love chappell roan 😢❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@PokhrajRoy.]

4:03 Baudrillard? Having very strong yet pleasant flashbacks to MA Sociology.

[@Oneoneone111One]

So fun

[@CamiFest]

You're amazing Alice~

[@victorsrandomvideos5208]

I think it was great to show similarities between these women and strikers. While I think some criticism can be valid because fans going to a show spend a lot of money and time they won’t get back, (idk how to get them their money back), those “influencers” like the podcast lady is out of line. Like life is hard deal with it is very common for a lot of people but nobody wonders why to grow up you have to sacrifice your mental health. We’ve seen famous people men and women end up having addictions and/or unaliving themselves due to all sorts of mental health that went untreated or unaddressed.

[@tchouchuu]

the comparison between chappell roan cancelling her shows and strikes was kinda enlightening omg

[@NoNotThatPaul]

Great work, thank you ❤

[@GeorgeKeyme]

That beginning, oscar joked, killed me 😂😂

[@alexwixom4599]

Art is a verb. It's something to be done or experienced. People just get too defensive because art is personal.

[@griffinferguson1533]

It's crazy people are mad at an artist canceling a show for mental health. They want her to pour her heart out in music, share every part of her life 100% of the time, then not understand that it can affect her personally. It would be like if people get mad at an athlete who got injured playing their sport to me, and this would never happen.

[@alberozuko]

I find the comparison between this event and the strikes very insightful; and people always blame the protesters instead of their opressors. Thanks for that wisdom.

[@ariebrons7976]

Dear ms. Capelle, Thanks for sharing: 6:45 Remember children: Communists never tell lies. Of course Pravda is most objective news source; It is also only news source in Soviet Motherland. Capitalism is root of all evil. 17:25 I try to find the artist's personality in books as well: Aren't questions such as these part of critical reading; Does king Minos reflect the author's view of despots? How about Theseus, Ariadne and Dionyseus; Macho Theseus leaves Ariadne for dead, and drunk Dionyseus saves her. When Ariadne is arguably the hero of the story. 19:30 Mental illness or not, canceling like that is unfair. Did she at least compensate the people who booked? 23:15 How do strikes benefit us? Yes, in the short term we get payed slightly more, or maybe get a couple days off work. But then the gouvernment inflates our currency, and our bosses give us unpaid overtime.

[@kuttermcneil1520]

The problem isn't that she can cancel doing her job at last minute. The problem is that I can't do it too.

[@polanve]

Excellent! Note Oscar Wilde had already stated the artist's intent is irrelevant to the critic, quite a long time before Barthes.

[@fabianagcerulli9518]

Great points, thank you for this.

[@heatherhaven1268]

Off topic, but that is the neatest shirt

[@pannychanman]

lol, I was thinking the same thing.

[@julecaesara482]

Imagine someone asked Cornelia Funke if she identifies herself with Maggie from Incheart. Or Tolkien with Frodo. Rotfuss with Kvothe. J.R.R. Martin with... all his characters? I feel like fantasy authors do not get that question as readily.

[@lil-mstrouble]

theres definitely no problem being a sally rooney and chappell roan fan 😌

[@jh5401]

one word: DIANA

[@MahimaChowdhury-lw8lv]

The CAPITALISM bit was so funny

[@moonshimmer28]

okay i just started the video but i had to comment this; I'm so overwhelmed and exhausted by everything right now but 6:32 made me genuinely laugh. Honestly I loved it I'm still laughing Thank you for that

[@ameliecarre4783]

That's amazing but YT just recommended me a reaction video to Georges Brassens' song "les trompettes de la renommée". Brassens was more a contemporary of Barthes, this song is 5 years older than "death of the author", but it's like he was 60 years ahead of Roan on the position that what he had to sell was his work, his music, take it or leave it, but HE himself wasn't the product, and it's frankly a slippery slope to ask it of him. And it's done with such humour and poetry, as usual.

[@mamamariana_a]

Great video, you explained the current artist situation so well !! I could not pinpoint what brothered me so much about the discourse around Chappell and the contrast between her and artists like sabrina carpenter (who is also criticized but keeps the apparence of being ok)

[@anadacunha9644]

I think an interesting example you could have also explored is Elena Ferrante!

[@ronniesan9805]

Maybe we need to let women just exist in society without a ton of (man made) unrealistic expectations.

[@kennethhymes9734]

1. The growth of the hyper real is coterminous with the killing of the real. 2. I refer people to a prescient and strange piece from the 1980s by the late great Kenneth Burke. "Hellhaven" describes a world in which the upper class have claimed all worthwhile natural and material culture and produce, and remarketed it to each other, relegating the rest to simulacra. 3. We need to attend to land, to ecocide, to protecting indigenous culture, before it is too late.

[@paxwallace8324]

Any artist especially an artist with ambitious creative goals who doesn't comprehend the insidpensible abilty to filter or reject the elements of popular culture that don't contribute to sanity and or ones own creative vector is doomed. I see nothing wrong with Chappelle Roan it's authentic to her and perhaps the girl voice. While it has limited to zero relevance to my work she's cool to me. Too much bla bla bla pop bla when your work has intrinsic value its heard in performance. Artists understand the value of isolation.

[@kalla103]

2 minutes in and i know this is gonna be interesting! i need to read the death of the author...

[@KomodoCondo]

I keep revisiting Barthes’ theories in my research for school and seeing it being applied to online discourse is sooo satisfying for me. Subscribed 🫡

[@KomodoCondo]

Also I feel like there’s also a big correlation in the rise of parasociality and the promotion of hyper reality. Can’t put on my finger as to why but the signs are definitely there

[@falsificationism]

We just need more rich people to have more kids who become artists because they _can_

[@falsificationism]

UPDATE: Wait, Kamala's going to bring communism to the US? Screw Jill Stein, in that case, Kamala 2024!!!

[@XSaphir]

Excellente vidéo comme toujours, quelle force de comparer ces deux artistes que j’admire tant et d’en dégager des points de vue si intéressants. Ma seule interrogation est qu’elles jouissent toutes deux de privilèges qui ne sont pas accessibles à la population générale (en terme notamment financier mais également d’opportunités par exemple) et je me demande ce que cela implique comme conséquences. Évidemment l’exemplarité serait une première réponse, comme ce sont des femmes on attendrait communément qu’elles soient humbles et reconnaissantes. Mais je perçois qu’il y a plus que ça.. anyway merci pour ce travail Alice !

[@OtherlingQueen]

Roan being openly pro-LGBTQ+ and anti-Zionist is such a good sign for how people will look at us in the future. She can help us improve how people will look at us while we otherwise have no real power to dictate current events and laws.

[@ShyGuy47]

You had me at "A"

[@zainmudassir2964]

I'm glad Election in US is over and Democrats failed to cancel Roan for supporting Palestinians

[@hossorisakura6591]

Ah, I've been thinking about this vibe a lot lately in much less educated terms lol-- I really feel like we're in a huge generational shift away from confessional art, especially with the rise of vlogging and tiktok videos filmed as hyper close ups- I think under-sharing and mystery are becoming more appealing. Especially post covid, I hate how much I know about people and how it affects my opinions of them, honestly. That said tho, I think a lot of the discussion about chappell roan fails to include that the nebulous "mental health" reasons is bipolar disorder which is extremely severe and dangerous; suicide, jumping off buildings, doing drugs, delusions -type dangerous. She also has been sexually harassed and stalked by fans, which is *insane*. People are showing up to relatives houses and finding their phone numbers, someone kissed her at a bar against her will. I'm not super into her music anymore, I feel like i've heard too much of it at this point, but she blew up quite literally overnight, it would induce an episode in even the most stable of ppl out there, never mind throwing in stalking, assault, and surveillance in there too. It really is crazy-- I feel that celebrity is one of those things we all know is wrong, do anyway and become insanely defensive about, like eating meat or using amazon.

[@emyjones8811]

I feel like Bo Burnham is adopting the same posture as these two authors

[@brianhanrahan7932]

I’ve spent the last two weeks arguing with incels online about Joker and the second Joker movie. I was arguing from a position of not having seen the second movie yet, but my points were primarily about the aesthetic and thematic choices people have issues with, as well as the weird political issues people have inserted into the discourse (i.e. “this movie is just part of the whole mind virus”). I just saw it last night, and I think it is the PERFECT example of the stuff you talk about in this video. It’s incredibly meta as well, because the story of the movie follows exactly this problem, and the movie has received the same backlash in real life. Delusional weirdos are upset that a character and film went against their crappy notions and perceptions. I think the movie is utterly brilliant and so sad. The whole movie Arthur is being pulled in two directions, while at the same time, not changing at all. The issue is that everybody is telling him that the “Arthur side” and “Joker side” of him are two distinct things, and that the Joker side is more interesting. Yet Arthur sees himself just AS Arthur-Joker. “Joker” is Arthur, but everybody sees him as this symbolic, incel messiah. They forget that the “Jokers” in real life are not some impressive psychopathic, megalomaniacs, but instead are incredibly sad and damaged people who have fits of mania and depression conducting them through life. And once people find out that the Joker is just an aspect of Arthur, just a piece of a whole being, they get upset. The incels in real life act exactly like Lady Gaga’s character, which is SO FUNNY because they all seem to HATE her character. If you haven’t seen the movie, you should, because this video’s topic is a perfect lens for it.

[@pannychanman]

TBH, you lost me at the "defending Roan for late cancelling a concert." I don't think the comparison with this to a labour strike is reasonable. Strikes are the culimation of a failure to negotiate (likely for months) with a much more powerful actor by a collective group. Complaining about being inconvenienced and losing money is fair (especially since her fans are likely to be young and have little disposable income). Also, do your arguments hold when applied to someone like George R. R. Martin for neglecting work on the continuation of his ASOIAF series (10+ years since the last book)? He's certainly not a young woman but he has some of the same criticisms (and defences) about his art.

[@phoebeel]

I'm pretty sure that the cancelled shows were being reimbursed to the viewers though. If not in money, then in vouchers for concerts on Ticketmaster or whatever site it was

[@annaa3772]

Martin is different, because he did write the books that people bought. The exchange was money for a specific book. Of course many people would not have bought them, if they had known how it would end, but they still enjoyed the story for 5 books. With Chappell canceling people paid money, but never got the performance they paid for and also probably couldn't get refunds for hotels and other expenses. These people didn't get to see the performance that was promised and they lost money. I don't feel that Martin's situation is the same, since no reader actually paid him for Winds of Winter specifically.

[@luisalbasanchez3197]

Thankyouuuuuuu

[@youseemnormal]

What is the toast pod omg 🤦🏻‍♀️ also Alice your videos are so well done and engaging. Thank you ❤❤

[@BlindCentipede]

Check out Ryan Ruby review of Rooney. It is very pertinent stuff

[@pavelandreev4727]

Very interesting point, people feel entitled to invade the lives of celebrities as if they bought them and own them. Kind of a commodification of the artists. Maybe it has always been like that but the current environment is, as usual, making things worse. And maybe it hasn't been always like this, in former times authorship was not considered an individual thing but a reflection of nature, society, god... I don't know the two women you spoke about but the way you present them, I feel for them, they certainly have the right to be left alone (not only they) and kudos for actually voicing their concerns and opinions. I wish them luck!