The Death Rattle of Modernism.

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[@nicolerobinson629]

Overjoyed to “discover “ TLM in middle of nowhere NY during Covid. Thank you for SSPX for keeping the Tradition. I learned and grow through each Mass.

[@St_Pablo298]

I have think there is a massive wave of younger Catholics and those new to the faith who are desiring a return to tradition. They are done with the empty post-modern landscape; the continued protestantization of the church.

[@coolmusic1daddy]

I knew something was wrong after Vatican II and approached one of our priests to express my fears. My fears turned to reality

[@jameswall6270]

Just back from a traditional latin mass in London, St Bedes, packed, young people, families. Beautiful, reverent, deep, sacrifice.

[@francefradet2116]

@@jameswall6270 Do you speak Latin?

[@francefradet2116]

Sacrifice? Please explain. You sound pretentious. Speaking from Marian Spain here. But Latin? Can you follow or do you just parrot the replies?

[@jameswall6270]

Hi I'm not fluent in latin, but have studied the 1962 missal and am learning how to serve low mass. It's wonderful

[@jameswall6270]

The sacrifical nature of the mass is more readily apparent in the latin mass. ​@@francefradet2116

[@spykezspykez7001]

Francefradet, I think one doesn't need to be able to speak Latin to understand the Mass. I mean, I don't speak some languages but because I study primers I can read some of? Don't get me wrong, I wish I spoke more languages but I've found very often it's a little easier to be able to read a language than to speak it, in many cases speaking and ear training require far more hours than learning just to read a language, in my estimation, some notable exceptions being Chinese/Japanese.

[@paulglennie7559]

I was at Mass today. If I had a protestant guest with me, I would be embarrased! Cell phones ringing, children crying, heartless music with no divine messages, Holy Eucharist in the hand, people's body language after Communion very irreverant, passive, nearly no parishioners receiving Blood of Christ! Leadership in absentia, Pastor continually absent at length. Elderly priest dropping the Eucharist! What more could satan want than today's church. His grip on the faith hurts Our Lord extremely. Blessing of the throat on Sunday not done. What good is it on Monday at noon? Most faithful people are not in attendence! God will take over, I hope I live to see His chastisement for these trangressions! Amen!

[@anonymouscrank]

Someone once tried to entice me to their church by telling me "It's like a Broadway show." Yeah, because that's the goal.

[@chrisekstrom4614]

My hope is Pope Francis is the nadir of Modernism. His Pontificate is an utter failure. I pray the “Francis Effect” is to have restored sanity & a move to Return to Tradition. It’s the only way. I’m SSPX we are building. We preserve the Mass of Ages. And are ready to Restore it…

[@marcokite]

I used to be SSPX, who I still love and respect - I'm now Orthodox, thanks be to God. Orthodoxy doesn't need to 'restore Tradition' as we never lost it. ☦☦☦

[@egan1egan192]

I agree with every word u say. I wish I could have a long chat with u

[@joebollig2689]

Thank you for giving hope.

[@dalegriffin6755]

Unfortunately, Francis has appointed the vast majority of future electors...and they are all made in his image.

[@chrisekstrom4614]

@ FEAR has brought many men to Salvation. These fairy princess Cardinals are secular-minded. They are aware their special privileges are based on an intact funding mechanism. Francis has blown that up. The Third World Cardinals know what real poverty is all about; they had better come to their collective senses, PDQ! Do not fund the madness! The best we can hope for from this lot is a “moderate”, probably. But pray fervently to Our Lady that She Intercedes & Deliver us a real Holy Roman Catholic POPE!! I’m a Believer in the True Faith; & I am a political realist & DEUS VULT sword ⚔️ ROMAN Catholic. We Crusaded for Gods Glory. We can again!

[@jim7576]

When I was a young boy, both of my older brothers were altar boys and they got me to become one too. They trained me. I actually served at the Mass when I received First Holy Communion - I held the patten as I received Our Lord! (that was very unusual). I was an altar boy until I graduated high school. I always took it as an extreme privilege and sacred duty to be in the Sanctuary and in such close proximity to the Sacred Mystery of the Consecration - I was always in awe of what was happening inches from me! While in high school, the CYO group had a Mass (I was not serving) during a retreat and the priest invited everyone into the Sanctuary for the Consecration (?!?!?!), I did not receive Communion out of protest! I thought "What? EVERYONE get to be HERE???" When Mass was over I was VERY angry at the attitudes of the other kids - while leaving the Sanctuary they were acting as if they were getting off a school bus or, heading out to school recess! It meant NOTHING to them that they were casually gathered in such a Sacred space. They had profaned the Sacred and didn't even know it! Yes, it made a profound impression on my memory of forty years ago too - but in a very different way then this guy blabbering on about "how wonderful it was".

[@elizabethhfyh]

Heartbreaking. So horrible to see a profanation.

[@lorddevonshire6382]

I think you held the communion plate under your chin, not the patten.

[@michaelgibbons7281]

There are now two churches, one true and one false. Each person must make a choice.

[@a.t.c.3862]

Jesus, it seems, is minimalist.

[@clevec.claire]

You are 100% right Robert. In 1965, we school graduates also went on a two day retreat. To me it was somehow dissapointing. Some of my friends seem to enjoy the joyful dominican priest who played the guitar which was a "new thing" back then and he made lots of jokes. A the time I was experiencing a major loss of faith, I didn't tell anyone about it and I couldn't get the courage to tell the dominican priest because I felt that he wouldn't have taken me seriously and I didn't trust that he wouldn't have been helpful in lifting up my faith. These are missed opportunities of modern clergy. That says a lot about the "feel good church".

[@chrisekstrom4614]

@@clevec.claire We must FIGHT for our Faith. It’s a Privledge, really. Once you know the TRUTH no going back is possible. Bergoglio has opened eyes. I think to our benefit, ironically.

[@elizabethhfyh]

Such a touching and tragic witness...but you're here meaning somehow you found your way through. Amen.

[@tonygarbellotto1926]

1n 1965 was in Grade 1 & our Teacher was Sr. Sylvia. When 2nd Vatican Coucil was released in the Church it was obvious to me then that she was put in a situation of Confusion over her Vocation in the Religious Life.

[@clevec.claire]

@@elizabethhfyh At the time I longed for the traditionnal catholisism of my childhood 🙏 wasn't present in the Church anymore, I felt empty, asked for God's help and He made me feel His presence. It took a few years. Praise be to God. 🙏

[@clevec.claire]

@@tonygarbellotto1926 She knew that things were changing. Thanks for sharing this!

[@chrisekstrom4614]

Exactly. Mine was the 70’s Kumbaya Era of the Flying Nun & the Swinging Priest. Some of them were genuinely Love Child Hippies. Others more sinister or Machiavellian & Judas-like.

[@patriciakeane7134]

You speak the truth.🙏

[@micheleolding1473]

I hear you! It's so very sad. God Help us all!

[@Fatima_Garabandal2251]

During a conversation with a friend, I talked about my church and why I go to there when it is not close to where I live, and my love of the TLM, her response was that when she lived in Spain as an au per long ago, she had the opportunity to go to a TLM and she said, "I didn't get anything out of it"..... she was a protestant (United). I think what she said is very indicative of a big part of the problem. We live in a society that cultivates narcissism or self-centredness at the very least in people where now people think of worship of the Lord as being an experience where you get something... TLM or not, mass is about the Lord and the faith is about having a relationship with God, being in union with God - and this is not taught or discussed in anyway. People now hunger for it and I believe there are too many priests who have not been taught how to respond. I think there are so many young people and Gen Xers who are waking up and finding a lot of disappointment and confusion. I did when I came back in 2023. Thanks to you Robert, and a few other well catechized Catholic bloggers, I was able to find the right way back and it changed me and my life. The laity is the church.

[@Mummy834815]

The fruits are clear for all to see. Went to a Novus ordo Holy Mass yesterday eve and not once did the alter servers (1 male and 2 females) acknowledge Jesus in the tabernacle. They also sit,to the side of the tabernacle on stools behind the priest whilst the consecration is going on. God forbid they kneel...never. Later on, after a good priest in another parish lead the Holy Rosary and Chaplet for the Holy souls as he does every Saturday night,a priest who really sees the signs of the times and begs people to go to confession I was told some very distressing information regarding a group of young girls who had been overheard stating that they don't "put it in their mouths" in reference to Jesus in the most Holy Eucharist". I was heartbroken. It doesn't bare thinking about what they do with "it". This is the fruits of the Novus ordo. I can guarantee you even the youngest MALE alter server will not ever pass the tabernacle without a full and reverent genuflection. There are the fruits and it's not their fault because as you said Robert,we are not catechised right and how could we be when our own Shepard's clearly have poor formation ever since VII. Let those who have eyes see 🙏

[@twoonthewall]

In the same vein, when I sometimes go to mass in the cathedral in the City instead of my local parish, I often see people genuflect to the alter but have their back to the Tabernacel which is in a side chapel. They don't know why they are doing what they are doing. I remember as a 7 or 8 year old learning that lesson. On Holy Saturday, the tabernacle behind the alter is open, our Lord is not there, the Host is removed to a side alter. My grandmother is correcting me. We don't genuflect to the empty tabernacle. Let's go visit the side altar to pay our respects before we leave.

[@chrisekstrom4614]

@@Mummy834815 I drive an hour to avoid that; many drive much further. I hope & pray you are near enough to a Holy Church & can avoid that spectacle…

[@jayhunstiger3609]

@@Mummy834815 Altar, not alter.

[@josephwagner3224]

What an excellent title for this podcast, Robert!

[@JC33Adoni]

Modernism as with all errors will eventually wither on the vine because the Holy Spirit cannot be falsified and His power will manifest in the mind and the soul of those who are searching for The Trinity simply because the Power of GOD is unstoppable and is everywhere as well as eternal, never lose hope, GOD dos'nt lose.

[@TheOneAndOnlyZelenkaGuru]

Why is it athletes always praise God when they win, but never say his name when they lose? Sounds like a cult to me...

[@mojophe1617]

We need to send out a cry to St Patrick to come back amongst us again. A Novena to St Patrick is badly needed.

[@attract1234]

I totally agree with you Robert, I'm disgusted about where our church is going. I used to love the clonard novena and would leave it feeling revived in my faith. But last year I felt empty. We never heard a word from the gospel, A Prestatyn preach for 2 day, we then had some women talking about her private life, then another day a women telling us how racist ect we all where. Then we had a priest talking about the fake capital of climate change. It was awful. Never will I return.

[@siobhanmcneenan3253]

I understand completely. We are dying of thirst for God

[@chrisekstrom4614]

@@attract1234 Rediscovering the True Faith is in your hands. Litterally. Watch the Trad podcasts & attend Mass online, if needed. Be MILITANT! ⚔️✝️⚔️

[@rawhitaker1044]

I was an evangelical protestant for over 30 years. One of the reasons I left was the services felt made up, almost as they went along.

[@twoonthewall]

I see the same with new age pagans here in Ireland, it is literally made up as they go along. There was a lot of that nonsense in the media around St. Bridget's day. We had to listen to feminists telling us about the 'godess' Bridget... all completely made up in their mad imagination. Generally, older middle class ladies. people let them ramble on rather than tell them they are blasphemous witches.

[@maddyproctor1443]

The Holy Spirit is alive and active throughout the whole of Creation. Would you wat to stifle this? We are all in danger of doing so if we decide to stay in the safety and narrow confines of our own minds.

[@chrisekstrom4614]

@@rawhitaker1044 You were correct. VIVA CRISTO REY!

[@charlesrooks7280]

Hello Robert from Rapid City, SD and may the great blessings of the Holy Poem of Jesus fill your heart and mind with great Love of Jesus in the Poem!

[@magorzata106]

My thoughts exactly these days Robert!! How unreverntial we became as Catholics

[@roxannearmstrong1219]

We are in Alberta, Canada. Thankfully, in 2020, were guided by our Blessed Mother to a reverent Catholic Ordinariate Church....they never closed their doors during the craziness and we joyfully stayed...we are still there, because we got to see what we had been robbed of all those years prior. Seek truth, and He will show you.🙏

[@andrewmcreynolds4677]

They are the last of the old hippies!

[@thistlewood1]

To be honest I am lost myself we had our mothers months mine mass today , yes we are still grieving,but yes there is an emptiness at mass ,sadly on to many occasions,I keep blaming myself ,I keep saying it’s my own fault why my faith is stagnant,but yes your right ,we are losing direction 😢

[@mikeryan3701]

I was 15 when the Second Vatican Council opened and 18 when it closed, in my first term at university. I remember well the ferment in the Church following the Council. The explosion of experimentation in the liturgy, the exodus of priests and religious, the widespread phenomenon of dissent among theologians and clergy. Above all there was an almost worshipful attitude towards change. Almost for the sake of change. This was especially true among the young people of the day. Those people are now in their 70s and 80s. They still have the same attitudes they had in the 1960s and 1970s. They are, however, a dying breed. By the end of the 2040s they’ll mostly all be gone.

[@JohnGallagher-j5h]

Trurth alights both night and day, guiding travelers upon the narrow way.

[@timothysuttie5386]

I love the title. It seems that between covid and pope Francis there has been a rapid acceleration of the end to the failed experiment of that 60's generation. They started watching mass on the tely and the young families flocked to the TLM.

[@marianlindsay1737]

Agree with you that pre Vii generation knew the Mass better. I remember my mither organising her missal for the pre Vii Mass. She loved her missal. I have it since she died. I have used it on the one or two occasions thst I attended the pre Vii mass. I love to follow the NO in my own missal. We were raised up to use a misssl at Mass.

[@stpatrick614]

When the priest turned towards the people he became an entertainer. Cracking dad jokes or pub jokes. The focus on the people rather than Our Lord.

[@patttrick]

Even at the end of our strength,we are still very strong.

[@francefradet2116]

I'm no expert. I enjoy my Thursday Adoration at my Spanish Marian Catholic church here in sunny Ondara, starting with Pange Lingua, praying the Magnificat, and finishing with Ubi Caritas et Amor. Sunday Mass is great too. Spain resists bloody hard.

[@john69294]

Still have my penny catechism with its green cover, black and white illustrations depicting Our Lord's sufferings and teaching the truths of our faith. Still is as helpful today as it was 60 yrs ago.

[@jackiefisher1820]

Me too! I carried it with me as a supply teacher always,never failed, to give a good 'RE lesson with it as my reference! Lots of love from Wolverhampton.

[@jgesselberty]

The more we trivialize the faith; the more harm we do. Mass is sacred worship; not a field trip.

[@jackiefisher1820]

I used always to be filled with awe going into my local parish church ,when the sun streams through the stained glass windows a little of that awe still remains.But like me, it's a ruin of its former self!

[@KeithJeffries-w4k]

Modernism and minimalism

[@arthurkearney6193]

Excellent commentary thanks very much

[@marcokite]

The laity are not supposed to gather around the Holy Altar, the Altar isn't just 'a part of the Church'. It is where the Body and Blood of Christ is offered up by a consecrated priest. The sense and understanding of the Sacred will be lost with the nonsense this guy was praising in his introduction. Thank God that Orthodoxy has never lost the sense and understanding of the Sacred during Holy Liturgy ☦☦☦ - Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner -

[@caterinemasak2193]

The Death rattle of modernism I pray is true. What is not of God and Jesus will die. Jesus is the Vine and we are the branches of His Church. Stay close to God my advice given to me and received by me.

[@HunnysPlaylists]

Thank You!

[@jojomcelwee1380]

❤ praying the rosary for Pope Francis 🙏

[@KellyOGrady-jm9hr]

I remember the nuns playing the Theme song to the movie Shaft as the recessional in 1968. And the used the record that was not censored for radio. "That cat Shaft was a bad...'' Why? They thought this would engage black students. The folk mass era. 😂😥🤡

[@chrisekstrom4614]

@@KellyOGrady-jm9hr Amazing, isn’t it.

[@jackiefisher1820]

How we all suffered! I remember "Like a bridge over troubled waters" was our 'RE teachers go to pop! BUT she still was a marvellous teacher and we learned good, faithful 'RE from her, God Bless her! Lots of love from Wolverhampton.

[@williamharley9433]

I attend the Traditional Latin Mass at an FSSP parish, thanks be to God. I grew up as the changes unfolded and saw the results. I truly believe we are made by God to recognize Truth. I believe this is the reason why the TLM is james,especially with young people! Yet, Pope Francis doesnt want to see this. What does he hope to achieve? There is something afoot here and its not good.

[@albertito77]

Amen!!

[@jackiefisher1820]

1966 better times and better people! I went to the girls equivalent of Catholic Grammars in Wolverhampton, great education,in my classic 1972 at least 5 girls progressed as doctors having to get higher "A" levels than boys back then ,prior to the sex equality act! BUT now both schools are big standard comps, do any pupils advance to becoming doctors,not to my knowledge! AND the road to Eternal Life has been blocked and lost to most of not all pupils! Sad and soul destroying, I'm for blaming the hierarchy and the Teaching Heads! Lots of love from Wolverhampton!

[@DanielSullivan-x9t]

Let not our hearts be troubled. The Blessed Redeemer of mankind told our first pontiff that the gates of hell would not prevail against His Holy Church!

[@charlesrooks7280]

You ask the question about when is the hierarchy going to get it? My dear brother, Robert, too many so called leaders in Holy Mother Church are men imbued with the spirit of the World and not the Holy Spirit.

[@magorzata106]

The question is how to start changes

[@colmoneill191]

We start with ..... ourselves. That might sound simplistic but Christ wants us to reform ourselves and to deepen our fidelity. This will inspire others.

[@maddyproctor1443]

The Holy Spirit is already at work - pray for wisdom and discernment. Remember that God's ways of working are different from our human ways - and so are his thoughts. It just might be that each one of us has to readjust to God's ways and prepare to work differently.

[@chrisekstrom4614]

@@magorzata106 Find a Latin Chapel. I’m SSPX.

[@sheiladumigan451]

🙏🙏🙏

[@seamusweber8298]

Educated in a religious order owned school in 1970s and early 1980s. Educated by missionary priests who would have been formed under a Holy Ghost Father governed order by.......Marcel Lefebvre! The men who taught us wore clerical Hassocks. Our school had an oratory. Most of the men who taught us had served on the missions abroad. Very different clergy to our diocesan/parochial clergy.

[@avjb1872]

I hope you are right, dear Robert. May God put a stop to all this anti-Catholic nonsense.

[@jackiefisher1820]

I feel only God can!

[@Beanbag777]

Love kavanagh great reference👍

[@andrewmcreynolds4677]

I go for the bread of life!

[@thetruth-bf6je]

People want a church in Ireland that permits any type of sin if it’s signed off on by a priest.They don,t want to read the cathecism or delve into what the mass is all about.🙏

[@elainemgardens874]

How “ nice” will those heretics be feeling when they stand face to face with Jesus, one must ask?

[@ThomasMcCafferty-c2u]

The church teaches nothing but confusion during this Pontificare. The justification for catholic schools can no longer be defended. The only way to get back is to present the faith in the person of Jesus himself, they have to be challenged to follow him or reject him as a madman.

[@RealistOfDistances]

👼❤‍🔥🙏

[@Minime163]

I listen to Robert's posts now and again and sometimes agree with him sometimes not, one thing I notice is priests don't seem to be very comfortable talking one to one with laity they seem to be nearly apologetic for been priests and will never actually call out sin. I'm a person who thinks that compation needs to be part of the churches message but not at the expense of telling people how serious sin is.

[@medworakowski101]

Love the alcohol that was provided for these “boys”. As someone who personally witnessed these people at those times and see how they end up, not good. God is good and he will win.

[@jackiefisher1820]

When writing about God ,either ,using His name or His pronoun ,you must use a Capital letter! This was drummed into us at Catholic school from 1959 to 1965, which I have always maintained! From 1966 to date I never remember hearing this mentioned again!It struck me as one of the strangest things! This small detail, Jesus said "not one not or tittle shall be removed" I might have been young but I knew something fishy was happening to the Roman Catholic Church! Lots of love from Wolverhampton.

[@NothingBeatsTheTruth]

Great title! As with all errors, Modernism is condemned to fail. But, why would any faithful Catholic fall for a never approved so-called "apparition" as Garabandal? Why not stick to the approved and proven? Thank you, thank you for a great program, nevertheless. ❤

[@peterdalyy3542]

I am sorry to say i left the church in 1978 at the age of 16 ,it was becoming worse from day to day till i hardly recognised it as being Catholic, i changed my religion becoming an orthodox jew ,well just let me say i have not had a happy day since then life with out the holy sacraments and the Holy mass is worthless. Now there's no way back for me , but god bless you

[@seamusweber8298]

Of course there is a way back. And that way is to return to the church Peter. Never too late to come back.

[@elizabethhfyh]

When you think about the intellectual and spiritual heft of the Fathers of the Church and compare it with a guitar and outdated talking heads, we have grossly undersold the Faith. If we solemnly treasure it and teach it then the common man will sense it and pause. That's all that's needed.

[@thecatholicman]

How far we have fallen…

[@francefradet2116]

Absolutely. It's such a beautiful story too. A real shame. And the liturgy of the hours is divine. Sumptuous. The whole affair is exquisite. How it should be, praising the Holy Trinity, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Saints. Nothing is too good. Here in Spain still incense and a bell to stand up. Exquisite beauty for all the senses.

[@NothingBeatsTheTruth]

The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is an act of adoration of God, not entertainment of an audience. Christ, not Man, is the reason for the Mass. A church must be God's house, not a religious entertainment center.

[@PaulKearney-yp9hh]

Isaiah 56:9 all the leaders who are supposed to warn my people are blind they know nothing

[@elainemgardens874]

They are bored. They obviously aren’t praying.

[@francefradet2116]

It all went down the toilet when the Jesuits were kicked out. There. i said it.

[@ajyyoung3263]

Personally, I can’t see how 95% of our Saints could be Saints if the Latin Mass (the original Mass) , solid catechesis, and holy examples of living faith were spread over them like the breeze. It’s a lie that the old Mass times didn’t teach anyone because they couldn’t understand the language.

[@tomkiely7274]

A Catholic (?) Irish bishop will invite you to preach ... soon I HOPE!

[@melindalemmon2149]

Reminds me of Chesterton

[@norahsheehan5088]

Unfortunately the NO is in the same status as the Anglican Order at the time that Pope Leo XIII ( Apostolicae Curae 1896). Loss of Apostolic succession ! Even the Latin Mass mostly has same problems. All sloppy and diabolical activity. Must go back to fundamentals of validity just as Loe’s Commission of 1895. Congratulation you are getting there as we all have had to correct our own sloppy attitude to Divine Order and accept no other system invented by the devil himself.⚜️

[@MaryOgu-yh7mt]

Sedevacantism is the only logical conclusion! Look up Bishop Donald Sanborn!

[@thecatholicman]

Stay away from the sects that come from Thục ! There is a demon behind his disobedience.

[@petrushka-d7o]

Listen to Pope Francis and flee idolatry

[@siobhanmcneenan3253]

I pray seriously for the conversion of Francis. He is very old

[@jaqian]

Pope Francis, you aren't on first name terms. Have some respect

[@chrisekstrom4614]

@@siobhanmcneenan3253 Bergoglio doesn’t seem to have a care in the world. His Judgment will be somewhat different…

[@kieranfitzpatrick3161]

Eve that clip sounds disturbing … they talk in pansy generalities and actually say nothing informative

[@kieranfitzpatrick3161]

Eve=Even

[@noelscott9534]

What do you mean by ‘ pansy ‘ ??? Really ? Pansy ? Wow ! You truly inspire !

[@maddyproctor1443]

Do reconsider what you have written here - quite offensive. Are you actually a Christian?

[@kieranfitzpatrick3161]

It seems “ paltry “ fits better than pansy

[@kieranfitzpatrick3161]

And you “take” offense if you decide 😉

[@joelfrombethlehem]

Vatican II turned back time a little too far, way back to the late 200s - 300s AD to when Christianity was so simple, with touches of the current 1960s. At 68, I am ready to progress into the 1400s and not the Tridentine Mass, but before the Council of Trent.

[@scottoftroy9663]

The Latin liturgy dates back to the 2nd century. The highly ritualistic & reverent Eastern liturgies date back at least as far. The novus ordo was a modernist innovation only claimed to be historical by those ignorant of history.

[@frankcost]

You guys strayed away from the true church more than a thousand years ago. Misty-eyed nostalgia for the heretical world of your great grandparents or their great grandparents will not save you.

[@chrisekstrom4614]

@@frankcost Assuming you are Orthodox? How’s divorce going?

[@ryanscottlogan8459]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@maddyproctor1443]

Do you believe that pre Vatican II was a golden age? I was received into the Church in 1973 and would hate to go back to those times! There was no such thing as 'Mystery' in the old rite of the Mass. There was Latin not known to most people and then there was the one man and his male acolytes on the altar. We are all called to holiness - prayer and listening are the way forward - no special formula - God is ready to embrace each one of his people. This channel promotes the 'older' tradition though such a negative outpouring on post Vatican II is not a balanced or fair view - both old and new are pleasing to God - no one listening to this channel for the first time would think so. All of us in the Church should be actively promoting the Word of God - not pandering to our own versions of ' what is right and what is not right in the Church'. We all have a big responsibility here - and with God's help we will do it - but prayer and humility must come first. We are only God's servants - nothing special.

[@twoonthewall]

I agree with Robert here in this video. The one caveat is as you described. There was lots of what we have now present in pre v 2 mass. People were equally not engaged, bored, ireverant. People would look forward to a nice fast mass to get out as quick as possible.

[@chrisekstrom4614]

@@maddyproctor1443 It certainly wasn’t perfect. But the Mass of Ages in Latin is as close to perfect as we will ever get. Are you claiming this vernacular assemblage is more perfect??? The attendance numbers alone tell you not!!!

[@maddyproctor1443]

@@chrisekstrom4614 Both forms of the Eucharist are pleasing to God. God's ways are not the same our ways and his way of thinking is different from ours.. We all need to pray for wisdom and discernment in this. It may be that attendance numbers are not quite what God has in mind

[@gazda3787]

@@maddyproctor1443 New Mass represents new theology, introduced on ll Vatican Council by experts from Nouvelle Théologie (Rahner, Congar etc.)

[@chrisekstrom4614]

@@maddyproctor1443 Really? If bodies are not seated in the pews; SOULS ARE NOT EITHER! Don’t make a mystery out of the obvious. That’s obtuse & tiresome.

[@martinlee465]

There are indeed problems with VC2 but to look at the Latin rite with Rose tinted glasses is to ignore all the problems within the church pre VC2. Just look at world and religious history pre 1962 and events post this attributed to years of bad shepherding. Personally, I think that too many within the hierarchy wore 2 crowns, spiritual and temporal and to a large extent, the temporal has won out. The prince's of the church became prince's of society. You cannot serve 2 masters!!! This has led to the lack of religious formation and education amongst the youth and the falling away of many adults and parents of the faith.

[@chrisekstrom4614]

@@martinlee465 No one sensible overlooks any problems, ever! These new problems are far WORSE!

[@mancal5829]

The latin rite doesn't exist anymore.

[@thecatholicman]

Correct, what has in practice appeared is definitely not what the council envisioned

[@chrisekstrom4614]

@@mancal5829 SSPX, Lad!

[@CurrabegOb]

Eeerrr…yes it dose..old lad

[@thinkandrepent3175]

🙏🙏🙏

[@chrisekstrom4614]

My hope is Pope Francis is the nadir of Modernism. His Pontificate is an utter failure. I pray the “Francis Effect” is to have restored sanity & a move to Return to Tradition. It’s the only way. I’m SSPX we are building. We preserve the Mass of Ages. And are ready to Restore it…