The Death's Head Conspiracy

In 1996, Simon Furman and Geoff Senior created a comic book character named "Death's Head." And while this character may seem simple on the surface, he also serves as the unwilling catalyst for a multiverse-destroying continuity error. But how? Why? And who exactly is Death's Head, anyways? Well, I guess you'll just have to watch and find out, yes?

[@tammyholcomb6729]

Quite the conundrum, yes?

[@patriciomendoza19]

As someone that loves Death's Head. I'm so happy this video exists, and proves he should be in Multiverse of Madness

[@sir.squishy6830]

We can wish

[@CT-nb5lm]

Do I remember the future comic of heroes and Rhino mak8ng last stand against Deaths Head 2? I had this book in the 90’s but lost it when my stash got got.

[@gerbill13]

Yeah he was fighting Abattoir

[@gerbill13]

Charnel that was the name

[@trygon_stingray]

Death’s Head has always been one of my favourite continuity rabbit holes, so seeing it explained in this way was fantastic! Great video!

[@kdisley]

For the sake of completeness, the original 1984 run of *_The Transformers_* actually _did_ feature several Marvel-616 characters in the story _"Prisoner Of War!"_ [US #3, UK #5 & #6] - mainly the brand-new black-suited version of Spider-Man fresh out of *_Secret Wars (1984),_* but also (for one panel only) Nick Fury and Dum Dum Dugan mentioning their recent encounter with the then-also-licenced-by-Marvel-and-also-in-the-616 property Godzilla (...so he _did_ end up being tied in as well!). Also, when Shockwave and the Dinobots were introduced in the following issue/s in the story _"The Last Stand!"_ [US #4, UK #7 & #8], their origin flashback with the tar pit took place in the Savage Land (because the writers had to cover for the fact that 'Wave and the Ark had both canonically crashed on Earth "4 million years ago" but the dinosaurs were all extinct by then, so they had the probe find the downed Decepticon in the Savage Land and model the Dinobots on the local fauna because live dinosaurs were still preserved there in the 616 universe - ironically, keeping it canon with the rest of the Marvel landscape at the time). Marvel later retconned the whole "Transformers exist in the main continuity" thing after a change in company policy shortly after that and broke the UK and US comics off into their own separate numbered universes (I can't remember the numbers offhand, but I know they're both 6+ digits), but it still stands for the first few issues of the run as one of those awkward "we printed it and can't take those issues back" canon boo-boos where they just keep quiet about it and hope you forget it ever happened. But we crotchety elders, with our thinning hair and our AOL email addresses and our Zimmer frames who were there reading the comics at the time of publication, _we_ still remember - oh _yesss..._ And finally, Circuit Breaker appeared for about two pages after that in an issue of *_Secret Wars II_* [US #3, UK #45] talking to The Beyonder in the _same month_ she first appeared in *_The Transformers_* (in a move similar to Death's Head's first appearance in a one-page UK-only strip called _"High Noon Tex!"_ so Marvel could retain the rights instead of handing them over to Hasbro - which is why I seem to remember they were very careful to use the word _"mechanoid"_ instead of _"Transformer"_ in both cases). Then later in that same issue, after talking to Circuit Breaker, The Beyonder destroyed the whole of existence and remade it all over again... so maybe _that's_ when the Transformers universes diverged in-continuity? lol

[@serPomiz]

circuit breacker is a wast tho, she has never been used after that, and we had many, many chances for her to return

[@TheYoungDoctor]

Transformers US / G.I. Joe was Earth-91274. Transformers UK / Action Force was Earth-120185

[@LeiHart]

"Friendship is magic, more like-" I thought you were gonna say "Friendship is tragic" lol In all seriousness though, AMAZING video. Really went in depth with a well-put message at the end. You outdid yourself!

[@Wixhael]

Oh my god "friendship is tragic" is so much better Also, thank you! It definitely took a while to get this video where I wanted it, but I'm glad it paid off!

[@tatomaradiegue4380]

Even Scooby doo has Crossovers with Scooby doo, And with The Addams Family

[@cillian2971]

And even Supernatural!

[@flaviusaetius9162]

great video. death's head has always been awesome. had no idea he bounced around the multiverse this much.

[@RTMecha]

This video and by extension this channel is really underrated! I absolutely enjoyed this video and I love the topic of crossovers, so much so that I've always wanted to write for them

[@Wixhael]

Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed the video!

[@aidanisenor]

This channel is unbelievably good, madly underrated. Love this

[@Clanso]

I think you broke my brain with this video lol. I'm honestly shocked I've never heard of this character until you started working on this video

[@mattdestroyed]

Where you been?

[@rohanthomas4134]

I’m so happy that logo decided to make a big eyed mini Towa in a celebration set because it led me to your channel and your fantastic content.

[@locke_d]

THE FUCKING CHRIS PRATT CROSSOVER LMAO really good video, Death's Head is a very Cool Guy with a sick helmet, good for him for being able to exist in so many different universes

[@CDoss-bc7tv]

This is such a treat to watch! I've been collecting a handful of Death's Head comics to bind into my own homemade graphic novel, so i can complete my Doctor Who comic collection. I hope you make more videos about Doctor Who stuff, I would love to hear your opinions on whatever you'd feel like talking about

[@Noellesucks]

This has got to be one of the best videos on your channel, fingers crossed this gets some traction!!

[@Wixhael]

Wow, that's great! I'm really glad you like it! I'm hoping it gets some traction too!

[@optimusprimegaming2968]

And then, AND THEN, on top of ALL OF THAT, there is Fortnite. Fortnite. Fortnite has crossed over with half the stuff up there on that wall. Edit: AND THEN. AAAAND THEN! THE MCU HAS THE *AUDACITY* TO MAKE GOBOTS CANNON. Context: The 2022 Guardians of the Galaxy Christmas special features a scene where Drax and Mantis are walking through Hollywood and see several cosplayers. One of which, being Cy-kill (confirming that the Gobots exist at least as a toyline). Drax sees him, and mistakes him for an actual Gobot, and threatens to kill him. Mantis instantly realises this and tries to explain by saying "No no no sorry Gobots killed his cousin." which also confirms that there is a sentient race of transforming robots called the "Gobots" that just exists in the MCU. And because of the way that the Transformers multiverse works (with the multiversal clusters, one of which being the Gobots), the MCU is officially contained in the transformers multiverse, meaning that the entire marvel multiverse is inside the transformers multiverse.

[@serPomiz]

fortnite cheated out of their teeth. they came after all of the thing they cross over with, but due to tecnicality they have full continuity

[@ComicBookHangover]

Death's Head II wasn't a future version of Death's Head. He was a cyborg called Minion created in the future by AIM, it traveled to the past to assimilate the skills and abilities of various people and creatures. When it assimilated Death's Head he was able to become the dominate personality and took over the body.

[@Wixhael]

Yes, I'm aware of his origins. I've read most of his comics. For the sake of brevity I chose to dumb it down, because otherwise the video would've wound up being even MORE complicated than it already was.

[@robertgriffiths1724]

So I go to Carol's office and guess what? There's no Carol!!!

[@thelazyengibot9918]

Avengers "I am the Most Ambitious Crossover!" Smash Bros. "No, I Am the most Ambitious Crossover" Death's Head "Ha Ha. Cute."

[@doomercoomer4607]

Death's Head needs to appear in a Rise of the Beasts sequel and then appear in the MCU to connect both IPs in a fun and weird way simultaneously.

[@willgillies5670]

I always thought hmmm wouldn't it have been fun for Columbo to work on case with Quincy, they were both a Homicide detective and a coroner who operated in LA in the '70s-'80s.

[@PG2994]

Actually, Go-Bots, which are now a part of Transformers, exist in the MCU. Drax's cousin was killed by a Go-Bot, as noted in the Guardians Of The Galaxy Holiday Special.

[@gcell10]

Godzilla exists in Marvel 616 and is mentioned in Marvels first Transfomers comic

[@mitchnissen7175]

Death's Head is one of Marvel's best kept secrets, yes? He's a favorite of mine too. Love the video and love the simple fact that someone else is showing the best Freelance Peacekeeping Agent there is some respect. And you should give Death's Head II another chance. DH2 and his partner Tuck are awesome too, yes? Dan Abnett and Liam Sharp's work is great.

[@serPomiz]

also, how many time did he fake his death? I swear, except for a couple times, he was either hit and went down, or was in the area of a mass-destruction shot!

[@EuphratesTalksTFs]

This is both nuts and absolutely fantastic

[@justindrake3118]

You should do more videos like this, there amazingly entertaining.

[@ClintonMatos]

Another wrinkle that came out after this video: the GoBots are mentioned in The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special not as toys but as an alien species that killed Drax's cousin. Hasbro owns GoBots and they have been worked into the Transformers canon several times, sometimes as the predecessors to the Transformers.

[@Paul_1971]

Maybe I missed it, but was it mentioned how the Doctor shrunk Death's Head down from Transformer size down to human size using the Master's Tissue Compression eliminator? That' s pretty important!

[@optimal8307]

This video was a perspective changing experience and I thank you for being so profound

[@beastmanreview009]

Glad I found your channel!

[@MagmortaPlaysGames]

Still waiting on a Deadpool / Death's Head crossover because who wouldn't love a merc with the mouth / freelance peacekeeper buddy comic / film... it'd be absurd and fun at a whole new level!

[@KilosFoxo]

the gaurdians of the galaxy christmas special has confirmed go bots exist in the mcu and go bots characters have appeared often in trasformers media

[@SuperSwimTeam7]

You made a Hyper Crisis video and didn't even know it. I'll explain what that means one day in the future, (and also the past)

[@marshall5625]

Deaths head was in a movie: The Tranaformers character Lockdown was heavily based on Death's Head. And lockdown was the lead villain of Tranaformers 4. Food for thought.

[@mattdestroyed]

So it wasn't Death's Head.

[@tacozilla6433]

While he's heavily based on Death's Head, Lockdown's characterization differs quite a lot from Death's Head.

[@tableprinterdoor]

This is amazing

[@robbycooper6787]

This was a good video, I liked it.

[@venobladebionicles6228]

This was great.

[@Wixhael]

Thank you!

[@studiomocs3758]

Should've mentioned our universe and how it connects to all those other universes because our universe has the ability to come up with possibly existing universes, and by relation to the multiverse, our universe is related to death's head.

[@RialVestro]

There's a few crossovers you don't even mention in this video. I'm not going to touch on the broader connections because this comment would get WAY too long and it'd give me a head ache but I'll focus on the main 3 Death's Head directly appeared in. There's a rather famous comic book cover which featured a Black Suit Spider-man fighting Megatron. This was during the original Marvel run when they still owned the license for Transformers. There's also the Transformers Marvel crossover toy line which I personally don't really like. The Ironman toys from that run are pretty good and I could actually picture Tony making giant transforming mechas like that but all the other characters don't make any sense. They weirdly just transform into the character and not a robot which is another reason why Ironman kind of works since he kind of looks like a robot anyway. In fact in most continuities before the MCU version Ironman's identity wasn't known to the public and people actually were made to think that Ironman was a robot. Only members of the Avengers and those who worked closely with Tony like Rhodey were aware that there was actually a person in an armored suit, everyone else believed Ironman was an AI. Another reason the toys don't really work is that they usually pick the most random vehicles for them to transform into. There are a few exceptions but some of the most famous recognizable vehicles from Marvel comics still don't have Transformers toys but there are made up vehicles that have never been in any comic that are Transformers like Spider-man's car and Motorcycle... his famous vehicles in his colors that he has never used EVER! But at least there's a Transforming Venom toy to tie back to that comic of black suit Spider-man fighting Megatron. Too bad they didn't think to make it a Megatron wearing the Venom symbiote instead of a random car. You didn't mention the fact that Death's Head was originally Cybertronian sized and the Doctor actually shrunk him down to human size. The Doctor has actually been to Cybertron during that crossover and there are multiple other Doctor Who references in Transformers. Transformers have always been bigger in the inside, see The Transformers The Movie from 1986 specifically the scene where Astrotrain some how manages to fit the entire Decepticon army inside him including having enough room for the Constructicons to form Devastator despite the combiner being 6 times larger than Astrotrain's entire body. It's implied that Cybertron some how obtained this technology from the Doctor. It's never explicitly stated exactly how or why the exchange was made but this oddity of Tranformers being bigger on the inside like the TARDIS was not a thing in the comics until after the Doctor had appeared on Cybertron. There's a Decepticon in Transformers named Octus who literally transforms in a Dalek. There's a comic where Starscream seems to be picking up radio signals from U.N.I.T. talking about the Doctor. And certain transformers characters have used holomatter avatars to appear human appearing as different incarnations of the Doctor in their disguises. I could also mention while there's nothing officially stating these two are the same character... I believe that Quickshadow from Transformers Rescue Bots is literally River Song. Both characters are known to have multiple aliases. We never hear any examples of other aliases Quickshadow has used but it's mentioned in her first appearance that's not her real name and only Optimus is aware of her true identity. It's never shared what her actual name is. I think this could have been part of the deal made where the Doctor traded Time Lord Technology in exchange for an blank body that didn't have a spark. River Song's consciousness was saved as a digital copy in the Library so instead of having a Spark like other Transformers Quickshadow may very well have that Digital conciousness inside her and that's why her real name is such a guarded secret, because she's not a real cybertronian. Both characters are also portrayed by Alex Kingston. On and Clara Oswald was seen playing with a G1 Galvatron toy in the Crimson Horror but Doctor Who has also mentioned other franchises as fiction in that universe despite crossing over with them. Also the Doctor can travel between universes it's just very difficult. It's happened a few times but he does mention every time it's happened that the TARDIS isn't meant to be able to do that.

[@randommusings0151]

Great video! DH is my favourite comic's character, having read him from the get-go back in the late 80's as a young lad addicted to the UK Transformers comic and into his own series onwards, and loved this deep dive into his crossover history. And I did laugh at the brief "DH2 sucked" comment! OG all the way! I take it the Capcom logo that was on the far left of your connection board was him appearing in Strider Hiryu's ending in Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom? THAT was a nice surprise, though would have been much better to have him as a playable character. TF did originally seem to be part of 616 when the comic started btw, there was the symbiote-suited Spider-Man very early on (issue 4, I think of the US run?). The Savage Land also made a few appearances during prehistoric times and modern timelines, where the Dinobots fought Shockwave and ended up in the tar pits, until Ratchet resurrected them. As an eternal comics fan, this is the stuff that stays in your brain decades later when your proper work training just falls out of your ears the week after your did the course....

[@The_pie_master]

9:31 I like to imagine that all the marvel heroes was at New York when megatron nuked it

[@studiomocs3758]

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[@serPomiz]

Yes?

[@mrn1mrod]

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[@studiomocs3758]

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[@ZOMBiFOX13]

Same

[@blueraccoon1088]

9:32 now that was an avengers level threat

[@ttandc]

The ent. industry does not want canon. Canon just gets in the way of what they want to do.

[@insanimal2]

Of course, I have that Marvel Legends DH figure alongside all my Transformers figures - and also the 7th doctor figure. I'm still looking for a decent iron man or maybe Reed richards or something to go with them. (for super cheap)

[@TifTafsArtsAndCrafts]

I’m surprised that I didn’t see the bionicle and dc comic connection

[@sgt.raccoon386]

You know, I thought the consensus was that Death's head was this forgotten Transformers villan that was stolen by marvel. But apparently not, he's the reason for the pop culture super multiversal conundrum. All though, it's technically Hot Rods fault, god dammit Hot Rod, First off he second degree murdered Optimus in the 1986 Cartoon, and now he second degree caused this shit storm. *Sigh*

[@hbcreates8355]

such a great video glad to have stumbled upon your channel this video serves as a nice reminder that canon at the end of the day does not really matter and it's just a marketing thing lol. its what matters to one that's really important

[@Wixhael]

Thank you, that really means a lot!

[@MrLnikolloj]

How we dont have a marvel legends of this deathshead that will also be picked up by transformers collectors is beyond me

[@LandH2012]

...so, Deaths Head is the Deadpool of "cross overs"?

[@billloney2567]

Where in any piece of Sonic media does the Matrix of Leadership appear?

[@ultrahi-speed5776]

Excellent video you are a true nerd indeed, Yes?

[@sapientcube9788]

While I already knew a fait bit in regards to the Death's Hand fiasco, at least in relation to Transformers, quite a bit of this extra information was rather interesting.

[@Wixhael]

I'm glad to here it! There's a LOT going on with Death's Head, so much so that I wasn't even able to cover all of it here!

[@insanimal2]

great video. Death's head is just the best.

[@LegoManStu]

He has worked with the TVA in the past

[@nicholasmorin8381]

Yo this was great 👍

[@jeffclark43]

Yes Death's Head is at the center of it all. Because all the crossovers are about $$$. What's more Death's Head than that, yes?

[@JamesCorp]

I know this isn’t helpful but Batman has also crossed over with Judge Dredd as well 3 times

[@shinigamigroot8825]

They just made gobots mcu Canon too

[@CT-nb5lm]

Deaths head 1990’s AWESOME COMIC Future,Rhino,Punisher,SteveRogers,Daredevil,Wolverine and Spider-Man Make a last stand against DH.. Wolverines claw chips on DH head... Man Future dark Rhino and Spider-Man looked awesome.

[@darylshelly6377]

I love Death'sHead 2

[@TopengProductions]

me haev head hurt now

[@Wixhael]

Honestly, same.

[@ZOMBiFOX13]

Please help I've fallen into a doctor who rabbit hole from watching this video.

[@beastmanreview009]

Never knew his head was in that exhibit!

[@LegoManStu]

See the character of Access

[@davisvoelzke8011]

what about Lego Dimension?

[@Draco-FishProductions]

Good Guy!

[@jameskingston9134]

Deaths Head The Cannon Breaker 🙏

[@darkwingrave7343]

You Dont mention the Judge Dredd crossovers with predator, Lobo, DC - , Alien, Mars Attacks,.., and there was to be a crossover with Dr. Who!!! .. if only Stallone hadn't ruined the movie!!! Imagine DH meeting old Joe Dredd!! I loved Deaths Head from the moment I met him in transformers #113.. back when I was but a lad! Shame Marvel stole him and haven't utilised him tbh.. excellent character.

[@danielburger1775]

Death's Head wasn't "jumping between universes". Traveling "only" in time, he encountered She-Hulk, Fantastic Four and Iron Man...and in the future the characters of Dogbolter, Keepsake and Vulture, who were all part of Doctor Who. In a Fantastic Four/Avengers crossover, Death's Head appears, and Richards recognizes him. It was all (Marvel, Doctor Who, Death's Head, Dragons Claws) clearly the same "universe". Only when Marvel UK lost the rights to Doctor Who, and Panini picked them up, was it ever suggested that they weren't the same.

[@alasdairwhyte4772]

Not sure about that, as it was quite a bit before that when Marvel decided that having Transformers in 616 was too complicated. So by extension, when DH was fighting Transformers he couldn't have been in the "main" Marvel universe.

[@danielburger1775]

@@alasdairwhyte4772 In 1993 there was the "Incomplete Death's Head". It was stated there that Death's Head's adventures had taken place across three universes.. 1. The Transformers universe 2. The Body in Question universe 3. Everything else(Fantastic Four, Iron Man, Doctor Who, Dragons Claws etc.) had all taken place in the same universe. Again, when Marvel UK lost the Doctor Who comic rights, this fact receded into the background. In later years some people spent far too much time trying to "explain away" the story "Time Bomb!"

[@alexandreturcotte6411]

Yeah, a Tommy Westfall type mindset can feel like that sometimes. Also, you forgot RWB- wait, nevermind.

[@mattdestroyed]

I'd like to see Death's Head vs. Lobo.

[@richardcoulson6027]

No Star Trek X-Men crossover?

[@Hippaforalkus1]

Epic video!

[@FunClockwork]

Just goes to show how much you have to just treat entertainment as that and not reality lol

[@wcapewell3089]

god we need a deaths head movie, at least an animated one. could get Sylvester McCoy to do voice work for the doctor

[@shawnkelly6440]

Great video, yes?

[@TheYoungDoctor]

10:40 Elpasos was the planet we first see Death's Head in Transformers UK #113. New Avengers /Transformers takes place on Earth -7642 also known in DC comics as Crossover Earth where the majority of the Marvel / DC take place.

[@jakequaza3567]

When you add fortnite to the equation the crossovers get so much worse 😭

[@johnjafon2410]

based youtuber

[@bradenfriesen488]

Captain Underpants is still the best superhero.

[@quinnimy]

wanted to watch the video, but the opening immediately taking me back to quarantine. No thanks.

[@saber43]

Don't be so mean to the mlp/transformers crossover it's silly fun set in an ambiguous, but more light hearted G1 flavored cont. Not in "everyone's a war criminal" idw1

[@PS-it1dm]

You missed H.P. Lovecraft connections with Dr Who. Also Sherlock Holmes ones. There are several of those.

[@bradenfriesen488]

What's up

[@mrdeathshead]

Death's head seems cool, but I'm totally not him

[@KilosFoxo]

the transformers new avangers crossover is canon to the idw transforers comics and the avengers were killed during all hail megatron

[@najawin8348]

18:13 lol, saying canonicity when focusing on Doctor Who, the franchise that explicitly doesn't have a canon.

[@jamkat7785]

But for real, while I get you put a lot of energy into this video, I am of the opinion that it's best to ignore these crossovers that accumulate over the years and just enjoy a story for what it is, rather than trying to connect everything or speculate on some fan-cannon timeline this or Easter egg that.

[@jamkat7785]

But the REAL question is if Goku stronger than Superman?

[@baronkarza2939]

no

[@serPomiz]

the answer is dependant on "which version", and the answer is yes/no/only after a picknick altogether/before a picknick altogether/yes but then they team up to save the universe/no but then they team up to save the universe, and anyway it's both mr mxyzptlk and Arale's fault

[@jamkat7785]

@@serPomiz Does Uberman grenant?

[@drakegears]

Wait so this is all about the POTENTIAL places he could end up?