The Deaths of JJ Vallow & Tylee Ryan: ID v Chad Daybell | Doomsday Prophet Murder Trial

"100% I believe [Lori] could be influenced." Colby Ryan, #LoriVallowDaybell's, son took the stand in Day 8 of the #DoomsdayProphetMurderTrial to recount the events surrounding the murder of his siblings. Plus, Court TV's #VinniePolitan discusses the timeline and disappearance of #JJVallow and #TyleeRyan.
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[@gmimi2]

I want Chanley back. This new reporter could really use some lessons. She's very hard to watch and listen too 🤦🤷. It really makes you appreciate how amazing Chanley is, she was one of the best at Court TV.

[@user-fr1kl4jd5r]

Did Chad say he had two envelopes with $9000.00 cash in someone's room in the house? I couldn't make out what he said? Also wondering if anyone will bring up Alex Coxs trip to Mexico to pick up some prescriptions

[@Lifewithpersians]

No grief and no remorse over either of the two children. It is so sad!

[@lauramartin8036]

What was even more amazing was that when Chad was talking to his daughter when he was detained in the police car, his daughter never said, dad they said there were human remains in the back yard, do you know anything about it, instead they were just talking finances, so what did she know, wouldn't that be the first thing you would say, hmm his children had to know more.

[@carmellaffan6654]

I would say if Emma is his wife in one his books. She would have been manipulated just like he manipulated Tammy. XO

[@420kellyk]

She was raised by a cult leader who wrote books, had a following, and taught people about dying to remove the demons from humans. She knows, and probably believes her mother and those kids are now free and waiting for them and the other "chosen" people after the rapture. Every person connected to both Lori and Chad should be a suspect--at least for prior knowledge of these crimes. A cult is a cult, and no one--including kids, are immune. I wouldn't be shocked if the kids helped Dad "free" their mom by killing her too.

[@user-pv8hh9mf2x]

I agree @lauramartin8036 those were my thoughts exactly as I watched that day of the trial unfold.

[@madsdee7803]

She did talk with him about a body being found there though and did not sound surprised as you say, or upset as an empathetic Christian would be. They're fake money grubbers.

[@lisat1750]

He had spent the past hour or so at her house before he ran. I think he told her what the police would find but blamed in on Alex.

[@kaemarie1605]

He KNOWS JJ was already dead.

[@susien7323]

JJ never stood a chance once Charles & Lori adopted. Autism with a dog, none of Charles help or money. 💰 He was a goner once she met Fatboy. The two of them together couldn’t afford groceries, it was Tami holding down a job. A failed gravedigger (obviously) and a self published company set up my Tami. Charles let Lori stay at home and do hair while raising a family. Autism? Lori looked at that as job security with her family until she wanted out. Two worthless slackers that have destroyed so many lives. Poor Colby Ryan, his wife Kelsey was on Fatboy’s list and she was a dark 3 (or 4). What a pack of idiots

[@sloride3222]

Watching Lori smile and smirk like that makes my blood boil ……….karma will catch up to her ……it never fails….she will get what’s coming to her.

You know what’s a thought ? She’s going to heaven, her kids are there , now why worry ? Kill and get forgiven ??????

[@madsdee7803]

I hope they show her again in 10yrs when she's old and uglier (because she will be as a vindictive murderer) and realises his rubbish he fed her was fake so he could get a booty call and money from murder. There is NO future where they'll be together even in a 'future life'. Her smug face will be different when she realises.

[@JackieOlantern]

Lying to Colby about how Charles died and not calling his 2 sons to tell them but rather sending ambiguous texts to them will do Lori in, in her next murder trial IMO. I’m still furious with the cops in Arizona for ignoring Charles and for not arresting Alex for first murder since Charles was shot a 2nd time WHEN HE WAS ON THE GROUND. 🤬

[@veverest2155]

Men are often overlooked in situations like this. Especially in DV situations. It’s sad and toxic.

[@dbentleyto95]

Also, come on, she was busy filling her apocalyptic role of the wife of the prophet. That's a lot of work there, I mean recognizing all of the zombies and all.

[@Ausgar-yc1yl]

It is not the job of the police to protect citizens from harm.

[@catH727]

Cookoo for Cocoa Puffs. Louri would never lift a shovel, especially with him being the official “gravedigger”

[@ginosko_]

Go and listen to Chad give a blessing to that other guy it’s recorded. Do you think he has the power to bless people

[@susien7323]

He failed as both a prophet and gravedigger

[@carolboettcher7654]

Another example of Chad going off someone else’s playbook for sex, power, money, and all the other bells and whistles. Yada yada. Ugh

[@ginosko_]

Chad daybell said he got the power to bless people

[@mfi-cf7sp]

I will NEVER take up for either of them BUT would those kids still be alive had she never met Chad Daybell?? I absolutely believe they would be 😢

[@Lily-ld7fn]

What about the previous husbands who died mysteriously?

[@cks57youto53]

Lori was definitely getting alex to killing long before Chad .. Chad just used them for a purpose to murder her own kids and his wife for money ..

[@alexperkins8433]

@@Lily-ld7fn NO kidding. i think she had alex kill (at least one of) them. i think for sure Lori would have had her kids murdered or murder them herself if she met a different guy who didnt want kids. shes a murderous sociopath.

[@bbaciliere]

@@Lily-ld7fnTylee’s father right? There’s no way Lori didn’t kill him too!

[@Lily-ld7fn]

@@bbaciliere Exactly xx

[@jacqueschneider4687]

We still have weeks of testimony yet to come,,,,, so i do believe it will all be tied together

[@styphlynne8253]

It already has been. Dont let media taint the obvious!

[@tygerkatia]

I think JJ was reacting to seeing his father be murdered. His sister be murdered, that kid went through a lot and saw a lot.

[@susien7323]

JJ didn’t see it. At least Lori had him buckled up in the car. Tylee saw

[@reneejohnson4361]

They are Monsters Justice for Charles, Tammy, Tylee, and JJ! ❤❤❤❤

[@ingabrown3916]

Yes Chad knew Tylee he told his neigbor who testified at Loris trial he said ""Tylee didnt like him "" in so many words it was like thats the reason why she died now Vinie if you read this comment go back to Loris trial and listen to the neigbors testimony 😮

[@bbaciliere]

Yes!!!!!

[@styphlynne8253]

Tylee had to go in Chad & Lori's eyes. Alex, Brandon, Jj - ALL witnesses ! Tylee was a witness

[@glamdolly30]

Tylee was a smart girl, becoming a young woman. She saw right through that big fat fake Chad Daybell - unlike Lori, she wasn't taken in by his pseudo-prophet garbage. I'll bet she told her stupid, deluded mother exactly what she thought of him. And surprise, surprise, soon after, Chad branded her 'Dark' and a 'Zombie'. Chad Daybell is a narcissist who demands to be placed on a pedestal, he would not tolerate Tylee's disrespect. Tylee's position was already vulnerable once Chad Daybell was on the scene, because she had seen and heard too much and had all the dirt on her mother's and his crimes. She saw what really happened to her stepfather Charles Vallow - he walked into that house unarmed and unsuspecting, to take son JJ to breakfast, and he was ambushed and shot dead by her Uncle Alex. It was murder - by a convicted felon who had done prison time for assaulting his sister's previous husband Joseph Ryan. The baseball bat/self defence story her mom and uncle coached her to tell police, was pure fiction. Poor Tylee likely witnessed the whole murder. Charles had loved her like a daughter, and remained supportive of her after her mother's adulterous affair and toxic, deluded conduct went off the chart. Charles had purchased Tylee's jeep for her - the same jeep Alex used in the first attempted shooting murder of Tammy Daybell, and the failed attempt on Brandon Boudreaux's life, after both Charles and Tylee's violent deaths. Charles was Tylee's last surviving protector, after her father Joseph Ryan's suspicious death just over a year earlier. With Charles dead, Tylee was pretty much alone, and desperately vulnerable. I think she knew it. She had no one to turn to. Most girls of 16 can rely on their mom for support. Tylee could not - Lori only had eyes and ears for Chad Daybell. Tylee tried speaking to her grandpa in the last weeks of her life, but her pleas for a private talk went unheeded. I think she was frightened of the energy in her home - and she was right to be. Because the same vile energy that killed her stepdad Charles (and I suspect her father Joseph in 2018), would soon destroy her and JJ. Sweet Tylee must have been the loneliest girl in the world.

[@ingabrown3916]

@@glamdolly30 you and I share the same sentiment when it concerns Tyler,Chad, and Lori now they can throw the scriptures in it and what ever else they can muster up but we know they killed Tylee because she wouldve bought their house of cards crashing down. ☹️☹️

[@beckyklepper315]

Chad is the Charles Manson of 2 families.

[@princessmel9945]

Is it just me or does anyone else think David Warwick was meant to take the fall for the kids murders? Chad had such interest in him buying the land, does anyone else think this is because they were going to bury the kids on that land and let David who was there the night JJ was last seen alive take the fall when they were found buried on his land? 🤷🏼‍♀️ just my theory

[@belindavandyk6128]

YES AND SHARED THAT WITH PRIOR OFF COURSE

[@amazinlynn3358]

It was as if David being blamed for that..or he really wanted to have that property built on top of where they were so that way they would NEVER be found. To think this could have be been unsolved is crazy!

[@alexperkins8433]

WHY didnt these pple just get divorces....& Tylee & JJ couldve gone to live with whoever? Appalling.

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

MONEY 💰 they both wanted the life insurance money and the social security money for jj and let’s not forget Lori got SS survivor benefits because her and Charlie’s weren’t divorced at the time of his murder.

[@Vikki_G_]

Divorce = No money

[@susien7323]

Out of the four married people, only two of them could make money and that was Tammy the breadwinner for her family and Charles the breadwinner for his family and these two they just are too lazy to lift a finger. I think it’s now quite obvious that he’s a failed gravedigger and a failed author. And she is a tragically failed beautician.

[@glamdolly30]

Yep, divorce would lose Lori and Chad their breadwinner spouses (both Tammy Daybell and Charles Vallow worked hard to pay all the bills and ensure neither Chad nor Lori had to work), plus half the marital property and assets. But murdering them would not only wipe out the 50/50 division of marital assets in a divorce settlement and have each of them inherit the lot, they stood to get very wealthy indeed from each spouse's substantial life insurance policy. Lori knew she was the sole, named beneficiary of Charles' $1 million insurance payout ('was' being the crucial word, as unbeknown to her he had secretly switched the recipient to his sister Kay Woodcock, so she wouldn't get a penny). And Chad kept adding to the premium on wife Tammy's policy in the months before her murder, meaning he received a staggering $430,000, which he collected within days of her death (he had an imminent beach wedding to pay for, after all). They killed Lori's children JJ and Tylee to enjoy a hedonistic, child-free marriage, and to keep receiving monthly benefits cash for both kids. I guess with JJ's father Charles murdered, and Tylee's dad Joseph also conveniently deceased, they thought no one would notice the children's permanent absence. I believe there was also an element of revenge on JJ's grandma Kay Woodcock, who had received the $1 million Lori was sure would be hers. Helped by brother Alex, she had killed Charles to get her hands on that cash, so in her warped mind she had earned it! Murdering Kay's beloved grandson JJ, rather than simply allowing her to take custody of him, was payback for the million dollars. But it seems Lori never banked on Kay and husband Larry contacting police when JJ's phone and FaceTime calls abruptly stopped, and they could no longer get hold of her. How sad that no one initially noticed Tylee's absence or reported it. It was only through JJ's reported disappearance that police realised his 16 year old sister was also missing. I guess in time her brother Colby would have raised the alarm (he was suspicious that texts purporting to have been sent by her, did not use her typical writing style). It is chilling to contemplate how lonely and vulnerable both Tylee and JJ were, in the last sad weeks of their lives. Tylee couldn't rely on her increasingly hostile and absent mother Lori, who was totally wrapped up in her married lover Chad Daybell (who unsurprisingly, Tylee loathed). She had not been able to maintain any friendships with kids her own age, thanks to her mother making her happiness a very low priority and constantly uprooting her from homes and schools. Her father Joseph died in mysterious circumstances in April 2018, and just over a year later her Uncle Alex murdered her loving stepfather Charles, who was her last potential protector. JJ too was very isolated after his dad Charles' murder. Just 2 months after losing him forever, Lori had his big sister Tylee murdered. JJ's two closest relatives were taken from him without warning or explanation. Then a strange man called Chad Daybell, appeared out of nowhere as a new 'father figure' - one who hated and disciplined him. After learning JJ's grandma Kay received Charles' $1 million life insurance payout, money she had assumed would be hers, a vengeful Lori stopped JJ's contact with her and his grandpa Larry. The two weeks between Tylee's murder and JJ's, must have been Hell for the little boy. Lori had long since stopped giving him the autism drugs that helped regulate his moods. And in yet another act of maternal betrayal, she got rid of his faithful service dog, Bailey, the Golden Doodle his dad Charles had got him as a best friend. Bailey immediately loved JJ and helped him to sleep through the night. Incredibly Lori tried to sell him to make herself a fast $2,500 dollars. A worker from the charity that had originally provided Bailey, spotted the advertisement and recognised Lori's fulsome descriptions of the wonderful service dog. She was forced to surrender him back to the charity, and he is now the beloved dog of another autistic boy. Bailey's loss must have been yet another terrible blow for JJ. No wonder he was 'acting out', as the babysitter said in her evidence today. Thanks to his evil mother, Uncle Alex and Chad Daybell, JJ's whole world collapsed around him in the last weeks of his short life. A few days before he was murdered, Lori belatedly told him his dad Charles was dead. Why tell him at all, when her plans to kill him too, were so close? The little boy was so devastated, he refused to believe it. His school teachers recalled he was inconsolable at the loss of his daddy. Charles was a wonderful father. Lori clearly hadn't given a moment's thought to the affect murdering Charles would have on his vulnerable little boy. But why would she? The child she had raised as her son from a baby, and who loved her as his mother, was clearly totally expendable in her eyes. A mother who would sacrifice her children for a man and money, is no mother at all. Yes Lori was influenced by the evil, manipulative Chad Daybell, and he fully deserves the death/life sentence that's coming to him - ditto Alex Cox, who through death, cheated justice. But Lori was the mother of two of her victims. It's hard to imagine a more heinous, despicable betrayal.

[@laurakenney8]

In the old adage, "follow the money, honey"...you'll find the answer to your question.

[@user-gc6fq5uv9b]

😢 the amazing grandparents missed them so much and just loved the kids wanting to see the grandkids period thank you for trying so hard 😢

[@Ausgar-yc1yl]

Tylee was not their grandchild and they only met her twice.

[@imakeajiffypuff4525]

Both Melanies should be facing charges. There are a lot more people who should be behind bars here.

[@kaemarie1605]

😮

[@alexperkins8433]

Melanie Gibb reminds me of Wendi Adelson.....doe eyed actress feigning innocence

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

For what???? Do you really think that if the state had ANY EVIDENCE against anyone else they wouldn’t have already been charged? Trust me the government would absolutely have charged them both if they had any evidence.

[@kaemarie1605]

@@Tammy_26Irwin how naive you are!! Hahaha! Wow. So naive or stupid.

[@kimberc813]

I agree!

[@lindsayshea]

Chad knew he was gettin* locked up on that bizarre call…these two deserve whatever is coming to them 💯💔

[@gowanderlustwithme]

Interesting how none of Chad’s 5 kids were dark!!

[@ChristianBitz-Nielsen-eo2xb]

Maybe because they don’t have a insurance policy

[@glamdolly30]

Yep - he had no motive to kill them.

[@ChristianBitz-Nielsen-eo2xb]

@@glamdolly30 Yes he had i think Tylee were about to expose him

[@BeckyP-3]

So sad - how any mother could do what Lori did is unimaginable to anyone with any sense of decency.

[@glamdolly30]

Motive was as old as time - sex, money and power.

[@mccauley2023]

RIP Tylee, JJ, Charles and Tammy! Chad and Lori, I hope they all haunt you every night!!!

[@veverest2155]

It’s sad that Joseph Ryan isn’t getting direct justice. But karma is doing it’s work.

[@lensofgrace3976]

Nobody has mentioned their LDS friend ex cop Jason Mo, who produced a movie where people became zombies, who BTW, was involved with their cult at first. When I heard that, I thought that Mo could have to do with Chad’s ridiculous theory. The scariest part was that other 23000 people had became zombies, and they were supposed to fight them! Anybody who got in their way could have been a zombie. I wonder if they are still carrying out their mission from jail through other followers like Melie

[@styphlynne8253]

Very interesting! LD$ is the foundation of the CULT-ture here! I finally got out after decades!!

[@MelanieLewis-in1zd]

Chad had the scratch!!? Right?🤷

[@carmellaffan6654]

Yes, Jj did it to him when Chad took Jj up to his room to punish him.

[@user-gc6fq5uv9b]

😢😢 rest in peace God bless family members 😢 heartbreaking

[@belindavandyk6128]

TYLEE KNEW TOO MUCH....ABT JOE AND CHARLES AND REMEMBER SHE WAS CRYING ABT BEING DARK

[@snowwhite2524]

Lauren Matthias from Hidden True Crime Podcast is one of my favorites!

[@mfi-cf7sp]

why would the oldest son/surviving child receive money from his younger sister Tyleee??!! * in my eyes.. Chad Daybell is NO better than Charles Manson! he’s a cult leader 💯

[@michele36618]

I believe she was receiving social security benefits from her father who died years before. Where I live it’s about $800 a month. Maybe she was nice and wanted to share when he needed it bc they were extremely close. Idk for sure though

[@catH727]

On the stand he said louri said “they would all split it” he was young recently married with two babies back to back ( the girls)

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

@@michele36618Tylee got around $1,851 a month. I don’t find it strange than she sent him money. Both of my children have sent/given each other money if they were tight on cash and needed help. Not often but they’ve both helped each other out. I as well have helped out my children financially.

[@maryelaine-blinstrubchambe6083]

Her brother was out of work, and they loved each other.

[@ILoveWoolerbear]

Melanie Gibb should be in prison also.

[@Teach-in8gp]

BOTH Melanie's

[@andromeda1903]

JJ didnt have tantrums, he had autistic meltdowns. they are two different things.

[@susien7323]

Not only that, but even with Charles still alive the fact that Fatboy would pop in and visit while he was out of town. Fatboy , he just has such a creepy factor.

[@glamdolly30]

Kelly's a lousy reporter sadly, and it's doubtful she'll improve. She can't tell a clear narrative, was vague, misleading and even inaccurate (she actually said Alex Cox killed Charles Vallow 'in self defence', when it's accepted Cox ambushed and murdered the unarmed Vallow when he entered Lori's home to collect JJ for an access visit). Repeating a killer's lies as though they are accepted truth, is appalling journalism!

[@slaws2279]

There are so many people at play in this trial. Trying to catch up.

[@ShirleyJohnson-xd9vj]

Just wait until testimony of dna in Chad's shed comes in

[@susien7323]

Netflix did a three-part series and it covers the entire timeline

[@ginosko_]

Remember to listen to Chad daybell give a patriarchal blessing to that other guy. It’s recorded. He supposedly got the powers to bless people. “On this special day, as I give you this patriarchal blessing…… and right now I want you to know…. the savior is saying to me…. well done.” Do you believe he is actually blessing people?

[@slaws2279]

@@susien7323 thanks.

[@susien7323]

@@slaws2279 in the Netflix series Colby and his wife Kelsey talk in detail about their timeline. Utterly heartbreaking seeing Colby on the stand yesterday needing tissue and water. Kelsey was on Fatboy’s list and she was listed as dark 3 (or 4)

[@marianateodorian1141]

It was like "I´ll kill the kids if you kill your wife", you get the potatoes and i get the carrots. These people are seriously disturbed.

[@annettelacey7913]

In the video you played at the beginning,how was lori walking into court in her orange jumpsuit big smile on her face like she didn't have a care in the world,she had her jolly rancher lipstick on,she sickens me,

[@karmaMatters123]

It came out inLori‘s trial that Chad said Tylee doesn’t like him. I can’t remember who said this or if it was in a text, but they definitely met.

[@rondarivadeneira172]

If they can foresee the future... How come they didn't see going to jail?

[@Ausgar-yc1yl]

There is NO such thing as being sentenced to jail for murder.

[@maryelaine-blinstrubchambe6083]

Do Chad's children think he is a prophet, and do they follow daddy's religion?

[@cindymcmillan609]

I think they were in on the whole thing.

[@veverest2155]

@@cindymcmillan609 Me too. Her being all buddy buddy with Lori… right after her Mom died. It’s definitely not a good look.

[@RLS1]

Chad knew before Emma told him they found remains that they were gonna find or had found their remains. It is clear by how he told Lori he probably wouldn't be there to answer another call or told Emma he knew he wouldn't be getting out anytime soon. If he didn't know they would find anything, he wouldn't have been sacred or have any idea he was about to go away for a while.

[@joeymatthysen5105]

What the he'll did these 2 think they were doing??? Was it worth it??? REALLY!!!🤬

[@LurkeeLou]

The cat meowing in the background during discussion of the case has my ADD waiting for this cat to appear in the video.

[@donnacamp5663]

why Chads kids weren't zombies just his wife and Lori children thank God Chads kids were grown up and saved this is so sad they killed so many people so that they could live a happy life child free and x spouse free they both need to spend the rest of their life in prison so no one else could ever get killed by these two devils God did not send them on this mission

[@susien7323]

Fatboy’s kids weren’t 🧟‍♂️ 🧟 🧟‍♀️🧟 zombies because they didn’t receive social Security benefits from their dead parents. Perhaps once he’s been charged with the DP perhaps his children may inherit something but then again he couldn’t hold a job. You have to be able to work to be able to collect Social Security.

[@whoopsydaisy6389]

Has anyone checked on the kids in Rexburg? Considering the types of people attracted to that area, I doubt any child is safe there.

[@SandyOhNo]

You can't be serious? Are you referring to "types of people" as Mormon? The majority of those who follow the Mormon faith are not like these people. Just as those in the Catholic faith who have molested children are not the majority. Stop lumping all into one pile.

[@glamdolly30]

I'm especially worried about Melanie Boudreaux's kids - she should not be allowed unsupervised access with them, after her close links with child killers Auntie Lori and Uncle Alex.

[@alexperkins8433]

Melanie Gibb reminds me of Wendi Adelson.....doe eyed actress feigning innocence

[@whoopsydaisy6389]

Precisely. The people defending her concern me.

[@bbaciliere]

I don’t think she actually committed any crime but she was aware and probably enabling the madness and never said anything until things started to get hot for her too. I despise her.

[@styphlynne8253]

Walking in to a LD$ church house with all the Melanie's & Lori's smiling

[@cindymcmillan609]

@@styphlynne8253I think she was totally in on it.

[@cindymcmillan609]

@@styphlynne8253I think she was totally in on it.

[@MsSandi777]

THIS CHURCH IS PURE EVIL !!!

[@omnisinclaire491]

One thing that always bothers me is that Charles Vallow is often left out of their body-count. Lori is responsible for the deaths of her children, complicit in Tammy's death, AND she definitely conspired with her rancid brother Alex to murder her husband, Charles.

[@LeXyStAr77]

If emma, Chad's daughter, does testify the prosecution has to go very hard at her about her father and the fact that he was with Lori before Tammy died and that Chad knew she had two kids and everywhere they went no one else knew

[@sharonpuryear4466]

I’m trying to catch up isn’t Alex Cox dead too

[@ironbutterfly6835]

Yes

[@NotSoNormal1987]

Yeah. And they said it was natural. I don't buy it though.

[@ginosko_]

Yeah but Chad daybell blessed him weeks before he died. Is recorded. He blessed him . On that special day he said he blessed him. Listen to it is fully recorded. Do you think he got the power to bless?

[@lindsayshea]

Poor JJ and Tylee must have been so confused and scared. Their last few moments and months must have been absolute hell

[@glamdolly30]

Tylee.

[@lindsayshea]

@@glamdolly30 it was a typo. I know her name and I’m fixing now…

[@glamdolly30]

@@lindsayshea No worries typos are easy to make - apologies for being a know-all, lol! I agree with your original comment, the last moments of those two beautiful children's lives don't bear thinking about. I have a feeling Tylee suffered the most. How could their own mother sacrifice her babies like that? She was supposed to love and protect them. Lori is utterly despicable - and certainly no mother.

[@lindsayshea]

@@glamdolly30 I know, it’s awful! I can’t even imagine being terrified and tortured by your own family. Lori & Chad deserve everything they have coming to them!

[@glamdolly30]

@@lindsayshea I wonder if they will ultimately feel it was worth it? All those lives ended and ruined, for what? They wound up a permanently parted, married couple, destined to die in separate prisons!

[@April-xs9tk]

Why is no one talking about how the church believed these things and killed a lot of children, not very long after whatsoever?!?!

[@arrivagabry]

that is why I never send text because you never know who is on the other side responding, call instead

[@Vikki_G_]

Even the way Chad walks is absolutely cringe. It's not a manly walk, it's like an awkward little shuffle, with a little back heel bounce.

[@glamdolly30]

Chad really is physically repulsive - his jutty little chin, permanently pursed lips, and the way his head just sinks into his chest with no discernible neck - and don't get me started on his short legs, fat a$$ and man-boobs - UGH! Pilsbury Dough Boy is so flabby I'm amazed lori could even find his so-called 'Storm' (not so much a 'Storm', more a micro cocktail sausage). Lori's son Colby Ryan likened Chad to Peter Griffin from 'Family Guy' - and that's flattering him! That Lori chose that dorky, grave-digging 'Cookie Monster' lookalike over her handsome, smart, attractive, successful husband Charles Vallow, is conclusive proof of her insanity.

[@straightforward]

I'd really rather see the cat, than just hear the cat. 😉 Just saying!

[@laurakenney8]

I agree. Show us the cat!

[@esmelaubser7704]

How can the couple be so happy & laughing, after all the killings

[@pennyjensen1588]

This guy saying that Chad’s beliefs are “core Mormon doctrine” is as wrong as Chad is. He twisted the doctrine. That’s why he was excommunicated for teaching doctrines contrary to the teachings of the church

[@kellyhegarty7900]

Oh Vinny they're always a part of the LDS 😂😂

[@kimberc813]

Yes,they are !😂😅

[@susien7323]

Ruby Frankie/Jody Hildebrandt, Jody Arias/Travis Alexander, Susan Cox/Josh Powell and his creepy father Stephen Powell. their church needs to really think their Sunday sermons

[@deborahhegarty791]

These people think they will never be judged when they die or that karma will get them. Lori is walking around with huge smiles, and Chad sits at the defense tables looking unflappable. ITS CRAZY! Do they really think what they did is ok?!? Blows my mind!!

[@DeadKisses]

Think that Chad is getting away with murder😂😂😂

[@susien7323]

I was listening to the testimony today and I was doing the math, the fat boy profit Daybell mass and if he’s got 6-10 followers, but they are responsible for killing five zombies and then of course Brandon survived his zombie execution. Doesn’t that put his following just one now? So if he’s talking about 144,000+6-5= 1.

[@LeXyStAr77]

Though we all know the entire story... The jury doesn't and I hope they can see past the seeds of reasonable doubt that John Pryor is trying to plant though I don't see how the jury cannot convict Chad on at least Tammy's murder and conspiracy to commit murder. It might be easier to get distance between Chad and tylee and JJ but not Tammy

[@rachelwestervelt1396]

Every time you put this in your Carol on I change the channel good night

[@sandraperkins7706]

MURDER INC , Marie, you hit the nail on the head !!!

[@MYSCENTEDLIFE]

I think Loris brother killed them and Chad helped dispose of the body’s

[@kathrynwitte3398]

Who is the woman correspondent who says things like “shooked up” and “Social Shecurity”? She needs to get a job in print media if she can’t enunciate.

[@Dogmom-vj5ko]

How much of a ego trip must you be on to believe that God is going to tell you that you're going to leave 144,000.. and how is it that you believe it

[@susien7323]

Fatboy’s math really sucks. So God says you need to get the 144,000, and you have between 6-10 followers, but you’ve struck down 5/6 zombies 🧟🧟‍♀️🧟‍♀️🧟🧟 . I think that means he’s back down to only one follower if zombies will cancel out his believers. It’s just all so confusing and if he really wants his 144,000 he needs to take the stand because it’s televised. That would be good to watch. On the flipside he should be exonerated for not killing that 🦝 raccoon.

[@dbentleyto95]

It's in Revelations and most apocryphal writings,but most scholars think it means every believer. Also, God is the one gathering the 144k.

[@TheRealLittleBiddle]

Lauren is a great guest!

[@ishotthesheriff5686]

This couple like Alex Murdaugh need to just go away and leave us alone! We are sick and tired of being sick and tired!!

[@Batise]

Interesting...My great-grandfather did some of the original writings of the Mountain Meadow Massacre (Charles Fayette McGlashan)

[@BarbaraJonesBrown]

Fascinating! I studied all of McGlashan’s accounts

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

Tell Vinnie to pronounce Lauren’s last name correctly

[@tarafoley6030]

@tammy ... Done. 👍

[@RLS1]

Why does Chad's face always look as if he is on the toilet taking a s***?!

[@glamdolly30]

Maybe he is - he couldn't perform worse in court if he took a dump right there on the defence table!

[@RLS1]

@@glamdolly30 lol

[@ishbelback7650]

Because he is one 💩

[@lindsayshea]

Does anyone else hear a cat in the background?!

[@laurakenney8]

Yes. I wish the cat had walked into the frame so we could see it!

[@PokyLilWolfPup]

I wanted to hear her take on all this, but the humans kept interrupting her 😢

[@A_M__Apothecarymo]

I think the kids were collateral damage when the life insurance money fell through. That’s what is so sad about this.

[@carries8748]

I agree no remorse this is so terribly sad!!!!

[@pettrastrydom1129]

Chad didn't had to have a connection to Lori's children to know from the beginning that he did not want them in their lives!

[@ellamarsters8791]

I think what it boiled down to was that he didn’t want to deal with JJ’s behavioral problems and other needs, and neither did Lori. So they decided to kill him, but killed Tylee first because no way would she just let JJ disappear without asking questions and likely would have figured it out, or said something, at the very least. She was pretty independent, it seems, driving with her own vehicle and everything, so it’s not like she herself would be much of an inconvenience to them or anything. I think this was about JJ.

[@LeXyStAr77]

I also did not have in my deck of possibilities that John Pryor would try to make Melanie give one of the unnamed co-conspirators and place the blame on Melanie Lori and uncle Alex

[@khairilkhalid983]

Prosecutors should put it to Chad if his visions come from the lord then what happened to the so called end of days which was supposed to happen. Wanna know why...it's because there is nothing he has to make it happen while the others he has his hand prints all over the planning and manipulating. He might have not been the one physically doing it but definitely the planning.

[@glamdolly30]

Questions like that are the reason Chad Dumbbell will never, ever, in a million years take the stand in his own defence. The prosecution would make mincemeat of that deluded, child-murdering dork!

[@tigerlily102511]

I hate how Lori smiles in court with her nose up in the air like she is better than everyone else. Disgusting.

[@MissTi23]

Poor Tylee. RIP, sweetheart.

[@LeXyStAr77]

And the prosecution has to show that everybody that needed to be out of the way in order for them to be together had to die and were dark.. none of the adult kids were dark. Just the underage dependent kids.. and those that didn't believe in Lori's powers

[@TheRealLittleBiddle]

Not a GOOD relationship- JJ was SCARED of Chad

[@esmelaubser7704]

How did they ever found Lori sane for trial

[@arrivagabry]

why did Chad want the kids dead? Because he wanted Lori not her baggage

[@mentallydisturbedscience8900]

“Lauren Matthesius!”

[@linds3317]

This gives context to what that rotten Emma said to her dad when he was arrested. But at least Colby isn’t stupid enough to believe the bs his mom spouted at him unlike her with the garbage her dad spouted to her.

[@lisastallingskeelor3328]

My heart goes out to all of those hurt by these two selfish idiots. But Tammy’s children all dodged bullets didn’t they? I’m so glad they’ve not been killed. Maybe there was not any life insurance money on his children.?? Dunno.

[@iveliserojas612]

First she was the one asking for the numbers not him that crazy because in text she asking him how long for the number did u ppl forget that come he never cheated on he’s wife and another I believe she the one who went after someone who is not Charles and she said she was looking for someone like her so yes I think Lori was the boss he didn’t anyone at all Lori has her 3 and who who else

[@MsSandi777]

CHAD IS EVIL !!!

[@christinakaur8766]

I'm still waiting for both Melanie's to be held accountable. Gibbs could have saved those children. She knew everything. So did the other Melanie. Mel B is just like Lori.

[@michellegallegos8749]

I call BS! CHAD did NOT know JJ and had NO BUSINESS disciplining a child that is NOT HIS! JJ could have been fighting off someone hurting him!

[@pettrastrydom1129]

Chad did not want Lori's children as (imo) they would've been in the way of their evil doings. He needed them gone as he did not want any dependants to drag along! He wanted Lori but not the package that came with her, which were JJ & Tylee. But instead of sending JJ to his bio- grandparents and allow Tylee to go on with her own life, they chose to kill them to still collect their social security money! Power sex greed!

[@carries8748]

Why don’t she tranlate herself with all her powers 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ishbelback7650]

Its strange how two people who exude so much evil never noticed the darkness in each other 🤔🤔🤔 . They are a match made in hell 😈

[@hannamollo]

I know about this case but not all the evidence and details. However, if the kids (specifically Tylee) had met Chad or had issues or saw changes in her mom, where are her friends to witness or answer some of these questions? As a teen girl, she would have told her close friends about the struggles going on at home. Maybe not everything but some stuff she would or confided in them about. Again I don't know all the details! I understand she was forced to move out of state but surely she still talked to her friends.

[@karencollins2661]

Chad's throwing Lorie under the bus.

[@saratullas5509]

If they’re going to twist religion to suit their purposes and justify their actions, why not twist and justify divorce? Divorce isn’t ok but murder which is one of the 10 commandments, oh that’s ok. No sense

[@darkpriestess127]

Chad not only knew the children were buried on his property, but I also absolutely believe he himself buried JJ. He's a former grave digger, and how JJ was buried makes it clear the person who did that had experience with it. You can tie Chad to JJ and tylee in a few ways. Lori's text messages to Chad about asking God to take them, his bs dark and light scale, and his comment that tylee didn't like him. He's obviously spent time with them. He convinced Lori that they were both evil and well on their way to being gone. Even if he didn't commit the murders himself, his rating both the children as dark, is proof of his conspiracy to have them murdered. Once they reached a certain percentage, the body is supposed to die. That tells me all I need to know.

[@user-fr1kl4jd5r]

We know rhe night JJ was last seen alive, chad was at Loris with Mel Gibbs and David Warwick - Chad took JJ upstairs when he was misbehaving abd cane back downstairs with a scratch in his neck, he stated JJ dus it to him

[@user-dt2ht5tp1p]

Both evil monsters.

[@melissaahlers5615]

Lori. S son took the stand today 😮

[@lakentegtmeier3650]

What the hell is she so smiley for and giddy……….