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[@CertainEvent]

Hope AA invites the chirping birds for the next episodes too. By far the best guest in years.

[@doctorshawzy6477]

Rhodesia was a paradise under British rule, compared with later times

[@edmund184]

I worked with someone from Rhodesia / Zimbabwe who has never gone back and is till here after 20 years

[@troublesometruck8303]

Please have Simon Roberts on more often

[@ThunderChunky101]

He's always a great guest.

[@BritProgJazz]

The Mayfair Set should be mandatory viewing. Curtis' best work.

[@june5527]

This was one of the most fascinating topics so far. And Erik Prince often speaks highly of David Stirling.

[@HerrOnuseit]

Top stream, top panel, top length. The Mayfair Set is up there with An Ocean Apart.

[@Ag1tat0rr]

Idi Amin found a deep love for all things Scottish while serving in the Kings African Rifles and would later proclaim himself the last King of Scotland. He was one of the first Black soldiers to be commissioned as an officer in the British Colonial Army.

[@ThunderChunky101]

Several African cultures integrated a LOT of Scottish culture. It's an odd thing, you'd expect thag Scots would fair quite badly in Africa, but they proved to be excellent soldiers in that climate.

[@juniorjames7076]

@@ThunderChunky101 Many multi-generational intertwining family relationships among Scottish, Sikhs, and Ugandan/Kenyans.

[@James-sk4db]

The other day a guy was the first to cross the length of Africa on foot. He was ginger, so maybe they aren’t as bad as one would expect.

[@HouseholdDog]

Is that why the film was called the Last King of Scotland? IIRC the title wasn't really alluded to in the movie.

[@ThunderChunky101]

@@HouseholdDog Yes. He genuinely claimed to be the king of Scotland.

[@ThunderChunky101]

This is when Curtis really starts running. He starts to sprint soon. This series is excellent. Love the contributions. Solid knowledge. It's nice to have some guest stars. The solos are always good, but it's nice to have some extra knowledge. Hope to see more guests.

[@JosephStealin]

Like father like son with Churchill, terrible with money

[@clucas101]

+1 for extended mix of entrepreneurship track

[@LeoMarcantonio]

Full Gard x AA EP please - need Talking Turley on the B side.

[@doctorshawzy6477]

yes..i had forgotten this conflict

[@higgolini]

Hadn’t heard Simon before. He’s hilarious. 😆

[@hexagongraphics2525]

The Aroma of Levantine remains will be with me till the day I drop - This needs to be clipped into an AA advert

[@MaxCherry4170]

Loving the return of Roberts!

[@doctorshawzy6477]

my grandfather, who fought the Turks in Iraq in WW1, hated Churchill.....

[@14Anon2]

Not surprising, given Churchill's absolute disaster in overseeing Gallipoli.

[@floppypancakes9509]

The entire personality of this channel and seemingly those who watch it is hatred of Churchill, blaming him for every ill that has befallen this country. Get a grip.

[@KThxsBy]

This was one of the best Deepest Lore's yet, The guests really added to the content

[@mobe7]

Great stream AA. Never heard Simon before but he was a great guest. Horus was solid as always

[@LordEriolTolkien]

That 70's Britain was the Yorkshire my family emigrated from in 1974. In my memory it was a golden idyll. I was 6.

[@Resident_Poet]

Great stuff, thanks gents. Let's have more of Simon & Horus in future please.

[@Dumnonia]

The allusion to the selling of the family silver near the end was utterly blackpilling. The thought of all that we once called ours - whether as the owners or as fellow Englishmen - being sold to corrupt foreigners is galling.

[@scottanderson3967]

Great episode great panel Hope you can keep this panel together for the rest of the curtis docs.

[@Simon_Roberts]

Tempted to continue.

[@scottanderson3967]

Enjoyed the douglas murray impression he always sounds like he's constantly licking a rolly paper when he's talking ..

[@Simon_Roberts]

@@scottanderson3967 Lol. That is actually a very helpful voice acting note, you're right, helps to lift the tongue slightly when doing it.

[@HouseholdDog]

Fantastic panel.

[@Retronus]

Very good stream Mr. AA, Curtis is always a pleasure, plus horus and mr Simon Roberts were very good to hear their takes.

[@Findo_Gask]

32:45 - a little known fact about Lord Lucan is that Cubby Broccoli, also a member of that casino, asked him to do a screen test for the part of James Bond in 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service'. Lucan didn't do it because he'd failed an audition for a movie role shortly before this. Amazing to think Lucan could have been James Bond (the part went to a non-actor anyway) instead of a notorious murderer.

[@inquisition_rack]

Old aristos are extremely based

[@caleb--]

Sterling should've not bothered with all that foreign gallivanting and used his men to initiate a coup in the UK

[@whiggles9203]

Stirling was chairman for some anti-racist NGO in Africa

[@PedroPanzer]

This was a great panel. Hopefully maintained going forward.

[@chriscorben-green2640]

A terrific stream guys. 1:28:49 Oman has acted as a go- between for Iran and the US ( including during the recent Iran/ Israel events) for years.

[@Jigsaw0097]

As always, top notch content AA. It means so much.

[@ruvik.b.l]

Some actions of the Mayfair set seems to be similar to the Tony Blair foundation today. For example the arms deal with Saudi Arabia that led to infrastructure deals with Britain sounds like its right up ol' Tone's alley

[@Blairwatchproject6780]

Also the foreign adventures

[@alexanderoflondon4839]

Deceitful new world order politics and destruction aside, all these covert ops at the end of empire involving aristocratic British military men ‘having one last adventure’ in these exotic locations, doing international deals with big boss type characters, and having it all underpinned by big money lifestyles, gambling, glamorous women etc. This is all quite a damn mood. When this is the source material, the spy novels and films really must have written themselves. There are so many great characters and dramatic set pieces in these worlds.

[@edmund184]

22:37 Hastings Bander was indeed a Doctor in Harlesden, Brent in the fifties. He saved more lives in London than he ever did in Malawi. A friend of mine who was a metallurgist in South Africa has a story related to Bander which never stops being funny.

[@jasonphillips8933]

If you enjoy the descriptions of the SAS spirit, I think the recent "SAS Rogue Heroes" series displays it quite well

[@More_Row]

Great guests on this one. They really had good inputs and really added to the discussion more than most. Also book recommendations and movies of all kinds.

[@davidbaker8483]

The sand tray demonstration reminded me of "Michael Bentines Potty time "

[@michaelgordonsaxophone]

Shuck and jive 😂

[@novitrix9671]

THESE TWO COMMENTARY COMPANIONS 👌 Magnificent! AA & Curtis is like two Scoops of Ice-cream, with these gentlemen (Horus & Simon Roberts) its a royal Sunday with banana then plenty of sprinkles and whipcream and hot fudge sauce with a pyramid of cherries on top 🍒!!! If they dont return Ill be wroth!

[@chriscorben-green2640]

1:55:18 The UK went for the IMF loan in 1976, the same year as the Arab Oil Crisis. '76 was a bit of a challenging year for Britain.

[@chriscorben-green2640]

8K views. Adam Curtis continues 😃

[@johnnythegreat6568]

Excellent stream.

[@AURORA08A]

@1:17 The Lockheed Starfighter, perhaps unique as the only plane to ever have a concept album dedicated to taking the piss out of it, by the one and only Bob Calvert

[@Godsservant778]

Excellent as always

[@doctorshawzy6477]

the mistakes made by these old politicians are trivial compared with the mistakes made in recent times

[@clucas101]

It's a cascading effect.

[@goyonman9655]

Cascading effect

[@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp]

The 50s and 60s were the happiest most prosperous times for the great majority of British people and the crisis of the 70s has been grossly overstated To change the system in the 80s all Thatcher had to do was make a load of people unemployed This system won't change before a lot of people are dead

[@benisrood]

Simon Roberts, fascinating chap! Would be brilliant at dinner parties.

[@richardcrook2112]

Funny chat for this one, enjoyed it all.

[@_Dovar_]

It would have happen anyway, Churchill or not. There was little will left in the etile< to maintain the eripmE

[@cyberninjazero5659]

Perhaps but at the very least the UK could've avoided nearly starving itself to death

[@Karl_Burton]

It was Silly Billy who went to the IMF, not Heath

[@Stacey-hv6oy]

Brilliant stream gentlemen.

[@ThunderChunky101]

On the point at the end regarding the warrior and the merchant class, there's a very good episode of Deadwood which spells out the problem in the USA without even mentioning it - it's just implicit. Troops stop off at Deadwood for a few days, and different factions of merchants try to use them to their benefit. The military end up leaving quite quickly because the generals see that their troops are deserting for women and gold, and how different factions of merchants are trying to pay then off to work on their service. The general (not sure who he's supposed to be) is a true warrior, and he takes his men and leaves with a visible distain. It strikes me that the sheer size of the USA allows this kind of behavior, the distances from central power are truly massive, they're isolated and thinly spread, whereas in Europe it simply isn't possible for this kind of money power to ever get a hold over "the kings men" so to speak. The only way generals in the USA could ever hope to hold power is to avoid civilisation entirely, (because of how thinly spread it is and how easily subverted with treasure their troops are) or to be beholden to one kind of money power or another, be it the North or the South. The north won of course, but there's no reason to believe the outcome would be any different in this respect. Just on purely practical terms there's so much room for soldiers to simply slip away, so any general must be in the hands of merchants in order to hold onto them at all. No kings, you see. No great enemy. No dense population of people who would spit on a deserter and turn them in "for king and country" - the American general is pretty much totally confined to whatever his paymasters allow. This was never the case in Europe. In Europe, they were loyal to their warrior class aristocracy, whereas in the USA they of course HAD no warrior caste aristocracy - the whole point of the country to begin with. Money was everything. The "freedom" they fled to lead inevitably to a warrior caste which will be forever under the foot of the merchant caste.

[@doctorshawzy6477]

blue man has a big tummy

[@FiveLiver]

1:37:26 The reporter here is Richard Kershaw (1934-2014), the clip is probably taken from Panorama.

[@fabreezethefaintinggoat5484]

13:00 lol 😂😂

[@doctorshawzy6477]

would like to hear your analysis ofthe "Sanders of the River" books

[@jeffreymorrissey6064]

An Iraqi friend of mine said the only time he saw his father cry was upon Nassar’s death. And he made his first million working for Khashogi.

[@TruckerJenkins82]

The Curtis episode where AA tries to ignore the smoke detector

[@tolpacourt]

What bird is singing during this stream? I cannot recognize its song.

[@joinedupjon]

Imo Eurasian blackbird - this time of year they fly around the best vantage points in their territory in the evening giving us a great song. If you're lucky enough to have one in your garden you'll probably begin to recognise its song, they have some favourite motifs they like to reppeat but they also 'improvise' a lot.

[@stan1050]

I've a breeding pair in the beech hedge adjacent to my shed. The male sits atop the telegraph pole opposite & sings every evening before swooping down almost brushing the top of my head on his way back to the nest site. Sometimes he sits splashing about in the bird bath just watching me watching him

[@doctorshawzy6477]

yes..the Suez perspective is important

[@doctorshawzy6477]

i recognised horrocks immediately

[@whiggles9203]

Same Horrocks portrayed by Edward Fox in ‘A Bridge Too Far’ isn’t it?

[@doctorshawzy6477]

the douglas murray haters club

[@doctorshawzy6477]

nice watch...my friend brian does not like chronographs

[@FiveLiver]

11:39 The music here is the theme from the TV series 'Vendetta', by John Barry, 1966.

[@FiveLiver]

37:02 The music here is the BBC Panorama theme 1968 - 71 (Rachmaninov Symphony No.1 in D Minor, 4th Movement)

[@gregsmith6935]

Worst sovereign of all time. Imagine a roman emperor who lost the empire in 1 sovereign!

[@somethingblank1589]

Good stream.

[@mrskinner3203]

More discussion on whether Curtis is supportive of Sterling and his kind would be good. Hard to tell exactly.

[@doctorshawzy6477]

another big tummy

[@scottgraham1143]

Watching the end of this reminded of Nick Lowe's So It Goes and the naughtily racist last verse. British attitudes to foreigners have changed vastly since the Seventies.

[@doctorshawzy6477]

nasser had a big head

[@dramares]

1:44:51…. That pretty much sums up the rest of the world.

[@kmaggs7804]

Love the intro music. This?

[@Simon_Roberts]

The theme music for The Mayfair Set is a track by John Barry, the first James Bond soundtrack composer, called 'Vendetta', made for a TV show in 1966. It can be found here on KZbin.

[@JustGeridan]

AA's profile pic looks like one of those Saudi kings oddly enough

[@devlinX]

Why do we have to spend hundreds of years fighting over the third world to enrich international financiers we we could just utilise our own resources to improve our nation for ourselves?

[@doctorshawzy6477]

healy talks like thatcher

[@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp]

Healy was a Thatcherite before Thatcher

[@stan1050]

Healy was attending Bilderburg meetings from the mid fifties onwards.

[@malthus101]

why was this streamed so early?

[@chriscorben-green2640]

AA is doing an interview later tonight.

[@malthus101]

@@chriscorben-green2640 I see. Thanks.

[@pp-bb6jj]

Devon Stack on Insomnia Stream did Century of the self about all those "American" psychos...

[@doctorshawzy6477]

healy was right

[@konycurrentyear7053]

2:23:54

[@fabreezethefaintinggoat5484]

🎉

[@fabreezethefaintinggoat5484]

30:27

[@lookbach]

A lot of people seemed to have enjoyed the panel. Personally I found that there were too many interruptions with trivia and irrelevant notes, instead of substantive discussions on the topics presented. Not that the latter were absent, just that the ratio was off.

[@kesfitzgerald1084]

Pray tell

[@doctorshawzy6477]

empire was merely the transition to modernity

[@doctorshawzy6477]

you are a bit hard on churchill..likely the loss of empire was inevitable..but agree the war declared on Germany was a great mistake..

[@johnmountainstone1177]

No he's not. Churchill was a man of terrible character and massive political incompetence. In debt to certain financiers and full of bluster. Just the worst prime minister ever.

[@cyberninjazero5659]

Watch the Pete Quinones and Thomas777 series on WWII

[@isaacauyoung5265]

@@cyberninjazero5659better yet just watch the Adam Curtis oceans apart that AA watched

[@cyberninjazero5659]

@@isaacauyoung5265 That's a good summary, but T777 really goes into the depths on Churchil, Oceans Apart for example won't tell you, who owned Churchill and how

[@Alfonzridesagain]

In what possible way was it inevitable

[@paulvalentine4157]

C'mon now, this is rich. I love the takes on this channel, but Brits complaining about American imperialism is rich. Countries with power, use it, that's the game, long before the US or the empire.

[@randomusername5242]

Oh, so the US didn't make the UK give up their empire.

[@doctorshawzy6477]

comets are over rated

[@doctorshawzy6477]

do not approve of these second raters promoting themselves

[@_Dovar_]

Don't kick off the ladder.

[@14Anon2]

I don't know much about Simon but Horus has done some great work on covering the treachery of the British elite, with a focus on Churchill.

[@ZewdPlays]

Don't like having the guests, they stop the action too much. It is really not necessary to know who killed their nanny and why for the point of the documentary