The Deepest Lore

[@Vintagevanessa99]

Zero seats. I'm a boomer and love this channel BTW.

[@JDKDKDLDKDKDKDKKKDERYY]

Out of interest was the general decline already obvious to you when you were still a youngling?

[@andrewross1809]

''We built this city on high yield bonds'' is an evil ear worm.

[@veiddimaddur8354]

2:18:50

[@Frogindacity]

Was Goldsmith a mook? pound off in the comments

[@frawDgnicnaD]

M O O K

[@curiositycloset2359]

Probable mook

[@Emotional_Support_Twink]

​@@curiositycloset2359Looks like a mook, sounds like a mook, he's probably a mook

[@courtilz1012]

He was a well seasoned mook

[@G96Saber]

Loo-uks like a mook!

[@FeHearts]

Since unions were mentioned in the stream I am compelled to quote Francis Parker Yockey. “Trade unions are purely capitalistic, distinguished from employers only by the different commodity they purvey. Instead of an article, they sell human labor. Trade-unionism is simply a development of capitalistic economy, but it has nothing to do with Socialism, for it is simply self-interest. It pits the economic interest of the manual laborer against the economic interest of the employer and manager.” - Imperium Pg.38

[@curiositycloset2359]

I mean, I suppose. Tolpuddle martyrs were obviously a reaction to changing economic times. And socialist trade unions basically ceased acting as trade unions. Kind of seems a much of a muchness.

[@curiositycloset2359]

I mean surely, under socialism, there would be no need for trade unions. Given the social relations of worker - boss, would no longer exist.

[@tastypymp1287]

When you put it like that it's hard to distinguish the difference between a trade union and a recruitment agency apart from one deals in existing labour and the other in prospective.

[@assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756]

Exactly. When you add that it's capitalistic...you realize they are not created equal just like any other business

[@romyarmada2521]

@@tastypymp1287Both capitalistic and both help destroy the country.

[@A_View_From_The_Shire]

1:51:13 I said this under the last doc, but it’s well worth watching Goldsmith on Charlie Rose from the 90s, arguing against Free Trade, particularly against China entering the WTO. He debates one of Clinton’s cronies.

[@cyberninjazero5659]

Key takeaways. Curtis is seeking the fourth political theory Goldsmith thought he was the Don, but this was a fantasy he was only a Made Man

[@tastypymp1287]

Now go get ya fkn shine box!

[@lukegarcia3238]

Simon and Horus were on the A game this stream

[@lokenontherange]

Ngl wasnt expecting them to reference Robin Horsfall. My dad was close friends with his brother and when i was about four I got in huge trouble for jumping on Robin's back. Hes actually a nice guy.

[@Simon_Roberts]

I knew Mel Parry who was in B Sqn with him, and have met Snapper and Rusty at various times in the course of working in defence sector.

[@romyarmada2521]

Simon Robert’s is GOAT

[@mrskinner3203]

Excellent stream & in depth discussion. The concept of 'left' in Curtis terms needs delineating- if you are anti establishment when the establishment are totally corrupt, you may actually be a traditionalist. Terms are getting quite blurred.

[@RFSA180]

Deepest Lore Attitude Era Dream Team here

[@thermionic1234567]

I think Curtis borrowed the screeching bird from “Citizen Kane.” I believe it preceded the beach picnic scene.

[@Vingul]

Sample ID gang gang

[@martynfenton3814]

Read Liars Poker, great and funny book on all this trading in high yielders!

[@caleb--]

I really enjoyed the preamble before the doc it was facinating!

[@Vingul]

Same.

[@romyarmada2521]

Yh Bowden talked lot bout culture and politics too. Robert’s needs to be on AAs channel lot more. Mans a genius

[@Zidana123]

1:51:05 - 1:53:08 I'm sorry but this part made me blow a gasket. Did you guys just spontaneously lose like 3000 power levels here? That dude's name is Goldsmith. _Goldsmith!_ Yes, _of course_ THAT DUDE is gonna be the one saying whatever to justify his actions that are damaging to the social cohesion of the host country! And to top it off his analogy doesn't even make sense! No, the bee isn't making honey because it's 'business' or it's 'good' The bee makes honey because making honey is acting in her genetic interests, because making honey is accumulating resources for her hive, which is populated by her sisters and mother (who is also her sister), and who are the bees most closely related to her in the world and therefore she wants them to survive! Goldsmith just totally subverts the actual substance of what the bee is doing by playing semantic games with it and suggesting there's some kind of dichotomy between 'business' and 'good!' He even has the chutzpah to call his subversive argument as a 'fundamental' and nobody calls him out on this, AGH!

[@Zidana123]

...Upon further reflection I now realize that the bee analogy is a subtle flex on the part of Goldsmith, since the bee is a kind of livestock, or 'cattle' if you will, and in the scope of the analogy Goldsmith sees himself as the beekeeper who ultimately is the one who gets the honey, regardless of why the bee is making it :x Gradually... Gradually...

[@CoastalReaction]

I like this intro song.

[@BronzeAgePuritan]

So are these guys "social Darwinists"?

[@maverickstclare3756]

You can find a conversation online called: Adam Curtis on the dangers of self-expression

[@alchemist108]

I cannot believe Simon and Horus casually dropped in a Burial reference

[@sellingenglandbythepound5255]

Great analysis accompanying a very interesting documentary lads 👏

[@BillCarrIpswich]

1:51:55 Goldschmidt: "this is the fundament... The difference between doing business and doing good" Yes James, the fundament is for doing business 😂

[@Carroty_Peg]

Has Horus chatted to Tollah? I recognise his voice but can't place where I've heard him before.

[@celticperspective5183]

Yes he has, he’s a recurring guest. I think they’re mates in real life too

[@chriscorben-green2640]

7.8K views hit 😃 The Curtis streak continues.

[@sorrysirmygunisoneba]

Documentary starts at 44:00

[@JDKDKDLDKDKDKDKKKDERYY]

He literally made reaching the 7.8k as hard as possible woth that hour long pre doc talk

[@Vingul]

@@JDKDKDLDKDKDKDKKKDERYY It counts as a view after only about 30 seconds. Perhaps it will be shared less or something but I don’t think that will affect it very much.

[@jarretta2656]

Eh. I find the intro endearing

[@JDKDKDLDKDKDKDKKKDERYY]

@@Vingul hopefully

[@PAppMundo]

Intro was the best bit

[@fabreezethefaintinggoat5484]

Simon knows his man

[@dantean]

Have I mentioned the need for timestamps before? Perhaps I should have begged rather than simply mentioned. Dommage.

[@Predwyn_the_Swole]

2:37:34 gulp

[@devlinX]

This stinks of the protocols being enacted and now we're living with the consequences.

[@Єнот-т4й]

Ivan Boesky only died very recently ; in the last month or so.

[@johnmountainstone1177]

Wow Robert Rauschenberg got a mention.

[@frankrusso6504]

I'm surprised that Correlli Barnett hasn't received a mention from AA or his guests, at least not in recent memory.

[@Lanternmans]

Looking forward to watching. Glad you sill have The Beloved and Mr Sinister in tow.

[@otto36]

Richard Gere's character in Pretty Woman was one of these guys.

[@dramares]

They’re all there for the fleecing… Until they’re not.

[@tastypymp1287]

Love the Get Carter theme tune.

[@somethingblank1589]

Good stream.

[@curiositycloset2359]

Just noticed, 2:36:18 this goldsmith is obviously what John Houseman based Bartholomew, from Rollerball, on. Exactly the same cadence. LoL

[@fabreezethefaintinggoat5484]

Goldsmith...

[@lokenontherange]

That chap did more to try and stop the de-industrialisation of the west than you ever will.

[@Vingul]

You've actually made olive oil sound sort of cheap in the UK with the prices you're giving.

[@curiositycloset2359]

Buy it by 5lts, much cheaper

[@Vingul]

​@@curiositycloset2359 Yep, I have done actually, some friends buy certain things in bulk from time to time. I refill an old wine bottle from the 5L metal can. Lasts a good while given that I almost always cook with butter.

[@Vingul]

@@curiositycloset2359 Hate to go "actually" two comments in a row but there you go.

[@sorrysirmygunisoneba]

@@Vingul extra virgin olive oil is much healthier to cook with than butter

[@curiositycloset2359]

​@@sorrysirmygunisonebanot as cool and tasty though

[@user-hu3iy9gz5j]

Suprised that AA wasn't aware of famed sociologist Max Weber

[@user-hu3iy9gz5j]

Suprised that AA wasn't aware of famed sociologist Max Weber

[@lokenontherange]

Olive oil is currently in shortage globally because of some weather shenanigans in the places where we grow it.

[@loresun1596]

Just want to say I'm absolutely thrilled when I see a new Curtis analysis stream. Genuinely enjoying them for the insights and also classic laughs. Simon is brilliant as well 🥃

[@Bluj162]

Jokes on you I'm a week behind so watching this now

[@assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756]

Speaking of absent stakeholders, that's why etf's and company run 401k/pension can be seen as monstrous. Everyone's retirement used as liquidity for market makers supporting the GAE. Like grandpa, you funded those darn dems...your retirement was invested in their biggest donors

[@asumazilla]

One problem is the assets can only be stripped once.

[@pp-bb6jj]

Very merchanty. Vulgarity. Vigor. These people replacing Anglos and building their empires on the ruins of your empires.

[@lokenontherange]

Goldsmith wasn't replacing Anglos. Most of these types were just feuding with each other.

[@fabreezethefaintinggoat5484]

Thanks same happened in East European

[@monnimonnickendam7289]

1976 a memorable year. Relentless heatwave and a cold winter. Then there were the strikes, power cuts etc. You never forget such things. I was 4. Politicians attacked Goldsmith because he made them look bad.

[@justme-hh4vp]

Gordon Gecko's character in Wall Street was apparently based on Ivan Boeksy and bizarrely the British investor who saves the airline was based on Goldsmith!

[@lokenontherange]

Theres a really good interview with Goldsmith on GATT where he eviscerates some Clinton aid on why its a stupid idea to have free trade if you want to have any industry in high cost countries. Goldsmith isnt opposed to Trumpton. Goldsmith's opposition is rooted in the realities of the markets that he is surrounded by.

[@benjones1717]

Does capitol suck the life out of the economy? I would more say it's politics that sucks the life out of the economy

[@_joebyrne]

Could it finally drop below 7.8k???

[@melektaus2906]

I hope not, I watch these every Wednesday Looking forward to hypernormalization

[@curiositycloset2359]

Was at a stupid time

[@curiositycloset2359]

I think he's trying to poohpooh it, to avoid copyright strikes

[@erichironsson8592]

Too much talking *before* the documentary. Put it after.

[@curiositycloset2359]

Simon likes to go

[@Vingul]

I thought that was a good intro. Might run out of steam after. Simon Roberts is a great guest. Just my two cents.

[@WhyBeNick]

This series really needs to have one guest at most. Pausing and commenting after every sentence of the documentary is maddening.

[@kmaggs7804]

​@@WhyBeNickI enjoy the banter

[@whiggles9203]

Cope and seethe time-utilitarian. An hour introduction and a thousand interruptions make this channel.

[@assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756]

Idk about the union points tbh. They really need to be individuated because they are separate power structures. examples of generally useful ones are the electrician union and railroad unions.

[@assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756]

I believe black rock is later and took over from being a big winner in the online banking/trading automation race

[@HerrOnuseit]

Excellent stream!