The DELETED MOMENT Randy Meeks KNEW Stu Macher was Ghostface | Scream (1996)

Hello everyone and welcome to todays episode of Beyond The Mask. Today, I’m going to be revealing to you guys exactly HOW Randy Meeks knew that Stu Macher was a killer in THIS particular scene.
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[@danwilliam4042]

Randy said in the film: "I found Tatum, she's dead." and blamed Stu for her death. I wish we saw what caused Randy to limp as he ran. We only saw him get hit with the phone by Gale during a fake jumpscare. Rnady's limp makes me wonder if there was a brief fight between him and Stu in the garage.

[@soggysalmon1763]

pretty sure the canon reason was he twisted his ankle after gale hit him with a phone

[@staylurking4461]

He twisted his ankle after Gale beat him with the phone.

[@staceytaylor4999]

After Gail hit him he got hurt and had the limp

[@ralphwiggum3463]

also his injury coming up right before Billy rolls down the stairs fake out is good because it keeps in the audiences mind that many characters are injured and have been attacked, adding to the mystery of who the hell is it then!? then are right after sidney closes the door, billy, another "victim" comes back into scene. its good film making.

[@CeltycSparrow]

Its interesting because Stu DIDN'T kill Tatum...Billy did. Notice in the scene where Sidney is looking for Tatum and Stu is at the door, suddenly Billy shows up, wanting to "talk" to Sidney alone. He sends Stu a meaningful look before he follows Sidney upstairs and I think this look is to signal to Stu (his partner) that Tatum is now dead, and they can now move in on killing Sidney because her last protector is now out of the way. Tatum was always right by Sidney's side, since the first attack on Sidney and the killers knew that she would NEVER allow Billy to be alone with Sidney...so to isolate Sid, they had to get rid of Tatum. Principal Himbry's death also had a purpose to the killer's final plan because that was used as the catalyst to get most of the party-goers to leave the house, again to isolate Sidney and get her alone.

[@GregOrCreg]

I think it was right that we didn't see the moment Randy discovered Stu was a killer. Sidney is our POV character, and so, at that stage, we're still meant to believe that anyone else who's still alive could be a killer. I love the moment when Randy and Stu are outside begging with Sidney to let them in, because we can empathise with her fear and confusion. We don't know which one is innocent (or even if they're both guilty).

[@DarthVincent777]

This! 100%. I never found this scene to be confusing or incomplete at all

[@stuffmadebyalex]

Exactly. The omission isn’t an oversight, it seems purposeful to serve the tension of the scene from the audience’s perspective. The audience is given the benefit of the doubt that we will assume something happened between them prior to Sidney coming in contact with them. There is no tension if we know how Randy discovered Stu was the killer, because we would know he’s telling the truth. It’s the very last whodunit moment before the truth is revealed.

[@KD....]

I always thought it was kind of stupid that Sidney didn't know whether to believe Stu or Randy because not too long before, she literally saw on the screen that Randy was watching a movie and the killer was creeping up behind him with a knife. So It should have been obvious that Randy wasn't the killer.

[@duanepearson9207]

You are spot on!!! I was confused as hell, i was trying to figure out who is the killer and who is the one to trust, just like Sidney was. Made it so much more relatable to her decision!!!

[@williamswain2303]

Yeah but I don't really agree with that I'd like to see more than one perspective like make another from the killers perspective that would be cool

[@pizzaprincess619]

I always believed that Randy found Tatum’s body in the garage while Sydney was running away from Ghostface. He probably remembered that Stu asked anyone if they wanted a beer from the garage and said he would be right back. He realized that Stu would have had to found her body when he went to get another beer. And if he saw her and didn’t say anything… then he has to be the killer

[@seanking502]

I’m pretty sure that’s an exact theory that’s gone around the internet forever

[@mollyspurgeon8469]

God bless, Tatum 😥 Gone to soon.

[@thekajuntowboater]

This or he saw Stu ditching the costume before going check on Gale

[@flowrepins6663]

​@@mollyspurgeon8469if you blonde and got blue eyes you should marrie someone like that to have blue eyed blonde babies cause its very rare

[@inevitable48]

@flowerpins6663 you need to be a little less fucking weird.

[@lilalino]

I'm glad they still kept the scene where Randy and Stu accuse each other of being the killer, even without the context. It just brings Sidney (and us too) to another level of cofusion and panic - even friends turn against each other, you have no idea of who to trust anymore.

[@williamswain2303]

Lmao blud sid said "fuck both of you guys"

[@HorrorParadise]

I can believe they were very close. At least to a certain degree. That whole video store scene showed how they had a just as strong bond. And although Stu was clearly making Randy uncomfortable touching him, he was obviously comfortable enough to do so. It may have been a brotherly scenario. It just oozes that the more I look at their scenes being vulnerable, joshing around, looking goofy and quoting popular movies. That’s not how a stranger would be to another. Well, Billy aside.

[@time391]

Depending on your interpretation, Stu might also have been repressing his bisexual urges (it was the 90s) and Randy was just a straight nerdy friend, who knew it on a subconscious level. Randy even mentioned it in the second movie to Mrs. Loomis, which got him a few stabs. .

[@valkiron11]

@@time391 Take it easy there, Freud. It ain't that deep lol

[@time391]

@@valkiron11 Who knows? If Randy put out for Stu, maybe there would be a series :P

[@cw9817]

Except for the fact that Stu clearly taunts Randy and considers Randy his inferior in the video store. Their relationship there seems more antagonistic than close. In fact, throughout the movie, Randy comes across as the nerd who is at best tolerated and often loathed by the others, particularly Stu and Billy. He's the teenager on the outside who is trying to work his way into the "in crowd." He has had some success there, but he isn't really appreciated by that crowd. Looking at the video store scene on a second (or later) viewing after seeing the film, it becomes obvious why, and creepy as to how, Stu and Billy gang up on Randy. But the first time you see it, you write it off to high-school hijinks.

[@OnceAHuman]

@@cw9817 The video store scene has more complexity than that though. You see he’s comfortable as all hell re-accusing Billy in front of Stu after Billy wanders off before the next scene. But either way, that one scene doesn’t define their dynamic. There’s more scenes there to get better context.

[@Chaseraubeboyer]

I'm glad they cut it from the script. It keeps the paranoia & whodunnit aspect going all the way up til the last minute.

[@BeyondTheMask]

I agree with you!!

[@Menleah]

Agreed. When Randy and Stu show up in the final act -- and you don't know what has happened -- it's just chaos on top of more chaos which totally works.

[@Wandasolosurfavs]

They should have kept more of their relationship

[@nessav7058]

If I remember correctly. When I watched Wes craven’s commentary while watching the movie, he said that the scene where randy was limping up to Sidney, Jamie Kennedy had actually hurt himself but he stayed in character. It just so happened to work with the scene lol

[@dominique2o06]

Yeah I forgot what he said happened but I was just listening to the commentary and that wasn't Stu behind Randy Wes said it was Skeet but everyone always thought it was Stu 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@dancerkris95]

​@@dominique2o06It was Skeet playing as "Stu" behind Randy while "Billy" was pressumed dead upstairs.

[@dominique2o06]

@@dancerkris95 okay I'm not here to debate that but I never thought Billy stayed upstairs throughout everything

[@williamswain2303]

​@@dancerkris95ah you mean like how skeet only actually wore the ghost face costume once in filming

[@dancerkris95]

@@williamswain2303 Yes. Skeet really wanted to wear the costum at least one time because it's actually a stunt guy that wears the costume. So Wes finally said yes to him that he could put it on during that scene as "Stu" 😂

[@eclipsemewtwo1422]

I always just kind of assumed that Randy figured it out through process of elimination, not expecting there to be two killers, and assuming that Billy was either with Sidney or dead, Stu would be the only possibly suspect.

[@tbone35453]

My thoughts exactly.

[@MashedUpCultPopular]

I think what they did with that scene worked in it’s own way. As an audience (and also for Randy) at this stage everyone else had left, Billy was presumed dead, Gail had been (assumed) to be killed in the van… you’ve forgotten that you hadn’t seen Billy’s reveal at this stage. It was down to Sidney and the audience needing to choose between the last suspects standing. You know this film inside out, but I think you have forgotten to remember where that scene lands for a first time viewer, and this carried that moment before Stu lifts the voice changer and says “surprise Sidney.”

[@calebgraham6166]

Yeah Sidney Prescott slammed the door on both Stu and Randy saying: "Fuck You Both!!" That was the correct choice but Would Stu had killed Randy once Sidney slammed the door on them both. Then again This was Stu's house meaning he knows all kinds of ways to get back into his own damn home.

[@jonsrecordcollection7172]

Randy could have just easily jumped to the conclusion that Stu is the killer through process of elimination. Everybody think's Billy is dead. Gail is knocked out or presumed dead. Sidney is pointing a gun in sheer terror. And Randy knows that he didn't do the killing. Therefore, Stu must be the killer. Q.E.D. You don't have to get 1600 on your SATs to solve this word problem.

[@krectus]

Yeah but I think the biggest flaw is you never see Ghostface and Stu together. If the audience is still very very much assuming there's only "a killer" and not multiples, we've seen Ghostface almost kill Randy so he's easily ruled out, but they never gave the audience a reason to doubt Stu being the killer which they could have found a way to at least put Ghostface and Stu in a scene together. Looking back it was such a missed opportunity that is surprising when they did such a great job with everything else.

[@civilhate5876]

@jonsrecordcollection7172 the only people that saw Billy dead were Stu and Sidney. Gail nor Randy were in the house(or at least upstairs) when Billy faked his death. My theory has always been that Randy saw Stu checking to see if Gail was dead without the Ghostface mask on, or saw him with the knife or taking off the costume.

[@calebgraham6166]

@@krectus Yeah that makes since because we managed to put Billy Loomis and GhostFace together but never Stu. Meaning he and Randy were left on the suspect list. That scene was intense as hell. Like he did it but who did what exactly??!!

[@ThatOneDude6009]

Stu wanted Randy to leave with the group but don’t think he’d ever wanted to spare him. He was completely psychotic. The only thing that saved Randy was Sydney screaming and potentially alerting someone. I always thought that Randy somehow saw Stu change out of the ghostface costume after Stu was checking if Gale was dead or alive in the van, because we know at some point between then he and Billy met up to confirm both Dewey and Gale were taken care of. Billy - “Excuse me I thought you said she was dead?” Stu - “She was. Still looks it”. There is that theory or the more logical one that Randy put two and two together. Saw Tatum in the garage and remembers Stu saying he’d get more beer from the garage.

[@nelsonestrabola3014]

But it was billy who killed Tatum I guess randy in some moment saw stu dressed like ghostface

[@nelsonestrabola3014]

@lonewolf2542 I was going to reply but I have noticed I am discussing theories about elements of a movie that even ain’t shown in scene like if it was real life , I think should get a job thanks dude

[@keiththompsonsbasketballchanne]

That's what I thought because he had just vanished after the jeep scene with sid and he was coming from the garage direction.

[@ThatOneDude6009]

@@keiththompsonsbasketballchanne During that time we can assume both he and Billy met up and lifted Kenny on the roof of the jeep. To which they saw Gale and Dewey coming towards the house and both agreed to take care of the other (Stu with Gale and Billy with Dewey). When Gale went on and crashed herself, Stu went to check on her. He must of saw she was "dead", ran back to the house to meet up with Billy (after he "killed" Dewey and attacked Sydney) and both telling each other Dewey/Gale were dead. He must of dressed out of the ghostface costume and exited out the garage to run towards Sydney/Randy.

[@oliviav.3565]

Yeah I always assumed Randy saw Stu in costume. Maybe Stu was changing and Randy saw him without the mask on, just the robe.

[@tomcarpenter7821]

Just before Randy and Stu came running around accusing each other, Sidney escaped the Jeep where Stu attacked her as Ghostface. Given the split second between these two things, Randy was probably coming up and saw Stu sliding out of the Jeep and ditching the costume, thus catching him red handed.

[@rowdycmoore]

The scene still works. You can just assume Randy, in trying to get away from Ghostface, ran straight for the garage, where he would have found Tatum's body and, remembering both Tatum AND Stu had gone for more beers but only Stu ever returned despite Tatum having gone first, surely would have put two and two together.

[@williamswain2303]

Lmao i dont see why it matterslike that cuz after you watch the movie you know about it

[@megcollier3588]

This is why Stu is the best Ghostface. He was layered and he wasn’t just evil. He had some kind of respect for his friend, hence why he let him live.

[@Sign_Your_Will]

That’s what makes his explanation to Sydney when she asked him what’s his alibi going to be and he said “Peer pressure, I’m far too sensitive”

[@martincurran6432]

He was evil. You can be evil and still allow someone to live

[@hackerlameew]

@@martincurran6432 she said "he wasn't 'Just' Evil" which would imply she thinks he was evil but that there was more to him which is why she said he was "layered"

[@NathanJasper]

He literally laughed about raping Sidney's mother. He's evil.

[@bradydavis5791]

​@@martincurran6432He said he wasn't just evil. He didn't say he wasn't. Learn to read carefully, slowly and without so much emotion.

[@kristianliljegren7614]

I always interpreted the scene as Randy accusing Stu simply because he was the only one left to suspect at that point in the movie. Everyone else had left the party, the others were (thought to be) dead, and Sidney was at that point framed as Ghostface's main target (and Randy was in love with her and would never suspect her, for that reason), so it had to be Stu.

[@pleaseshutup7053]

He didn’t know Billy was dead

[@kristianliljegren7614]

@@pleaseshutup7053 But he must have assumed so, since he didn't suspect Billy anymore.

[@plantadesombra]

The thing that always bugged me is that Sydney saw Randy and Ghostface together in the same room when ghostface is about to kill Randy and she is watching in the TV of the van... so she knew he wasn't the killer when Stu and Randy blamed each other, and at that point she didn't suspect that it was more than one killer either. It's the only thing i cant understand since '96.

[@mariacelina95]

The way I see it she’s not thinking rationally at all. I think between what’s she’d seen up to these two guys yelling at her she’s all in to protect herself.

[@NoName-od2qj]

@@mariacelina95 Sidney has a habit of doing that. She did that in part 2 also. There was no reason for her to suspect Derek, but she panicked and let Mickey trick her and I agree with the OP it makes zero sense. She saw Randy almost about to be attacked by ghostface, she made this mistake earlier (kind of) and she realized it when Billy tricked her with the phone dropping and the killer calling her from jail.

[@TheRealNormanBates]

"You write women so well! How do you do it?" "Well.. I think of a man... and then I take away reason and accountability."

[@justineharper3346]

I think she was just scared and didn’t know what to do in the first one. She has trust issues by the time Scream 2 rolls around.

[@panthercat38]

​@@TheRealNormanBates 😱

[@MeisterdiebKid]

It always bugged my that during that scene sid should know randy isnt the killer, because with kenny she saw him a few minutes ago on the monitor in the van with ghostface behind him 🤔

[@tonyacosta4574]

But since he didn't kill Randy when he had him dead to rights can raise a few eyebrows

[@MeisterdiebKid]

@@tonyacosta4574 but at this point sid doenst know there are two killers and she sees the killer raising his knife about randy to kill him

[@AllisonJones1875]

It's believable that she would forget that, though. She wasn't exactly having a great day and a few near death experiences would probably fry the brain.

[@MeisterdiebKid]

@@AllisonJones1875 but it was not even 5 minutes ago 😅

[@AllisonJones1875]

@@MeisterdiebKid I mean it was probably a script mistake, but still, I think she got hit in the head or something, all her friends died, and she got chased around her house by a serial killer.

[@ShivaLovesHalloween]

I always wondered about that scene in the first Scream movie. It never really made any sense to me until now though. However, I didn't know that Stu hesitate to kill Randy because Stu and Randy were best friends, and he wanted to spare Randy's life. I always thought Stu hesitated to kill Randy because he heard Sidney screaming outside of his house. Good video 😊!

[@xavierramirez1911]

makes sense that he hesitated. any other ghostface would usually take advantage of the back-turned sneak attack, but stu didn't

[@krectus]

yes he didn't kill Randy because he thought he heard Sidney screaming. This hesitating because they are good friends thing is a really big stretch. If he's hesitating it is just to build up dramatic suspense for the audience.

[@seventhkeyomegasghost8233]

I thought he hesitated because he heard Sidney screaming outside. Even so, Billy was going to kill Randy if Stu didn't, he was too much a liability with their plan.

[@drewbrees1985]

I don’t believe Stu wanted to kill Randy when he walked in on him drunk watching Halloween. Stu stands there and his body language says, “What are you still doing here you idiot. You were supposed to drive out to the football field.” But I can also see how the “hesitation” is simply for dramatic effect and Stu really intended to kill Randy. I also thought he heard Sidney scream outside and ran out to find her leaving Randy to kill later.

[@drewbrees1985]

Furthermore, Randy was never really a factor in Billy’s plan. If he got in the way, he’d simply kill him. That’s why Billy confronts him in the video store when he starts lobbing reasons and accusations about him being the potential killer. But Billy didn’t care about Randy one bit. Billy assumed Randy would leave and see Himbry’s body while they carried out their scheme to kill Sid and frame her father for the murders. Stu deep down hoped he would leave and was probably angry at him for sticking around knowing he’d never get the girl “Sidney” anyway because she’d be dead. But all bets were off as Stu knew Randy had to die because Billy wouldn’t allow anyone else to live @ the house.

[@adnap]

One thing I’ve noticed that has become clear. Despite their heartless behavior prior, neither Billy nor Stu really ever wanted to kill Randy. Stu had his opportunity and hesitated. Billy had two very clear chances and chose both times to only temporarily injure him.

[@notsureyou]

Wrong.... his virginity is what saved him...... don't you know THE rules 😂😂😂😂

[@mikejordan8259]

​@@notsureyouWhat Rules? 😅 😏

[@notsureyou]

@@mikejordan8259 Let's see.... There's one about cardio, One about double tapping, Then there is always check the back seat..... Oh wait wrong movie...... 😳

[@Joker_JAK]

​@@notsureyouThe rules don't matter though. Every rule is broken by a survivor.

[@brucelucasjr5856]

​@@mikejordan8259Jesus Christ! You don't know the rules?!?!?!

[@NocturneSoul]

I think the idea of keeping the aftermath of that deleted moment was to make the audience experience Sidney's confusion when both Randy and Stu claim the other one is the killer. If we the audience already knew something Sidney didn't it wouldn't have the same impact and intensity. I mean, why we the audience, would know something Randy knew but Sidney didn't? It's all about keeping the audience's view from Sidney's perspective.

[@davidwalker3198]

Beyond The Mask has to be the biggest Scream fan ever? No one else has a channel dedicated to just the franchise and continues to pump out interesting content like this. It's unheard of.

[@ChrisWolfe31]

Zach Cherry is up there too.

[@Joker_JAK]

😂

[@mikeadams7904]

I'd say so. Doing a book even to continue the TV series

[@myersfan5043]

In the context of the finished movie though, I just think he saw Stu changing or something.

[@frankdees507]

Once anyone sees that, there no more thinking or wondering who’s the killer. Thats the same as seeing the killer unmasked

[@AnthonySforza]

Something I found interesting, is that I was watching it for the 26th time a couple years ago, when it occured to me, that in each scene with Ghostface, you can tell who the killer is. Like (Spoiler Alert) whether it's Stu or Billy. Where Billy is vicious and methodical, almmost purposeful in his movements and deliberations... Stu is just kind of winging it, so he comes off inexperienced and clumsy. Leaving me like "Damn, Wes Craven... you really did think of everything."

[@TheRealNormanBates]

ah, so the more goofy "Bruce Campbell-y" scenes are Stu.

[@AnthonySforza]

@@TheRealNormanBates Yea, pretty much. Where it's Billy in the beginning and the principal (Also, seems to have a thing about hanging), and Stu in the garage with Tatum and doing the Harley Quinn "Sneak sneak sneak" through the conveinence store and school restroom.

[@williamswain2303]

Lmao blud forgot about the fact that skeet was supposed to have this be his first andlast role so he took it more seriously and everyone allowed it because skeet was gonna die

[@williamswain2303]

​@@TheRealNormanBateslmao op forgot about the fact billy/skeet was supposed to act like stu was also he just took it more seriously cuz everyone thought he was gonna die, in all actuality stu is no more goofy than billy

[@tahjminaj5487]

I feel like randy saw stu taking off the costume near the garage when he went to look for everybody. They both came running from the same direction. Randy was also limping indicating stu may have attacked him to keep him quiet. Getting hit in the face with a phone doesn’t give you a limp

[@SlasherHorrorMovies1]

No billy killed tatum

[@tahjminaj5487]

@@SlasherHorrorMovies1 where in my comment did I say that didn’t happen?

[@SlasherHorrorMovies1]

@@tahjminaj5487 i thinkni missread it

[@Coffeeinthecourtroom]

I also thought Randy had seen something clearly indicating it was Stu - like him in the costume. OR, that Stu had just told him it was him.

[@civilhate5876]

I always kinda figured that since Stu checked Gail after the crash to see if she was dead that Randy saw Stu in the Ghostface getup without the mask or something. We know Stu checked because Billy mentioned it. Randy was outside after the crash because he had been hit with the phone.

[@zackbrown117]

I always assumed he saw Stu change out of the costume or something

[@Jaxon_Knight13]

that’s logical

[@rowdycmoore]

Close. Stu must have thrown the costume into the closet, because how else could Sidney have gotten ahold of it when she stabbed Billy while wearing it. Most likely situation is Randy ran from Ghostface to the garage, Stu took off the costume, tossed it into the closet and followed Randy, who of course by then found Tatum and deduced only Stu could have killed her.

[@Lozza685]

I never thought of it that way, I always thought he was just pleading to syd that he was innocent because he truly was innocent, I never thought it might because he actually thought it saw that stu had something to do with it.

[@rayshardrobinson7878]

Billy Killed Tatum not Stu, Stu set Her up to get killed. But Billy was the One who killed her. Stu was still playing host at the party while she was getting killed. Randy probably figured Stu had something to do with it. But due to them being the only 2 guys left, it had to be Stu. But like you said we all thought Billy was dead at that time. So it was easy to assume Randy might have been the killer.

[@sandragoth8293]

Been here for so long. Your videos are always top tier when it comes to scream content

[@jadegunner9234]

Ah I just finished reading the script today and noticed this. It’s super strange you doing a video on it. Although I think my script was a little different to the one you have.

[@jmacyourlife]

I think it’s great that they left it the way it was, because as a viewer you don’t know who in that moment is lying to Sidney, but to us as well. Keeps the reveal at the end better

[@3SailorMartin]

I know Sydney was panicking and not thinking clearly in this scene but she and Kenny had watched gf sneak up behind Randy and she didn't know there was more than one killer so it should have been obvious Randy wasn't the killer by process of elimination

[@salvatorestabile5547]

At this time she had known there were two killers. This scene takes place right before Billy shoots Randy.

[@3SailorMartin]

@@salvatorestabile5547 I didn't think she knew that there were two killers UNTIL Billy showed his true colors by shooting Randy

[@salvatorestabile5547]

@@3SailorMartin when she's getting chased right after Billy's fake death and locks herself in a room with two doors that can get in, both doors start shaking due to both trying to get in from each end and she says, "there's two".

[@RaistliniltsiaR]

Last time she saw Randy, he was alone with the killer. Pretty suspicious that he got away OK.

[@3SailorMartin]

@@RaistliniltsiaR true but if she didn't know there were two killers (I watched the movie again last night and didn't see the scene where she supposedly came to that conclusion) then the fact that he wasn't the one in the costume should have tipped her off that he wasn't the killer

[@patrickdempsy14]

I have ALWAYS wondered what Randy saw here

[@holdynsweet554]

stu will forever be my favorite goastface it would've been cool if they would've included why randy was so sure of stu and just little things like that seeing those things are so cool to me and makes the story make more sense

[@roguemystique7]

Same! Stu will forever be my favorite Ghostface, and although there are people who don't want him to come back I do. I'd love for him to be the killer in 7. I mean, many people in the Scream series survive crazy stuff.

[@holdynsweet554]

i would like for him to come back but only if they could make it into an actual good story and make it fit into the scream timeline well if not i would just rather them go in a different direction and i just wish we could see more of his back story and i really would like a movie or a short series of stu and billy becoming goastface and killing sydney's mom@@roguemystique7

[@banaqos]

While it would have made sense, it made the reveal better. The audience would have caught on better to knowing Stu was a ghostface. Without the context, we are left confused which was good

[@jermainemckelton7633]

I always figured he spared Randy because he was more of a suspect than Stu and Billy

[@InimicalWit]

I can appreciate the extra scenes and the original intent, but I think the only thing we lose is better understanding of the friendship. Between the things they’re yelling at Sidney, in the final version, it’s easy enough to go back in second viewing and discern what their journeys were (more or less); what Randy saw and what Stu was pretending

[@brysoneshleman239]

I always thought that they were really close but didn’t understand why the movie presented their relationship just as a mutual friend thing or a tolerated friend, but with this now it confirms my belief thank you @Beyond The Mask!

[@scottbyerly1900]

Stu was closer with Billy and I think it was known that Randy had a thing for Sydney. So I took their relationship as old friends but on differing sides of their friends’ relationship.

[@nancySIX]

What confirmed it for me was in that scene where they’re begging Sydney, Stu says “he killed Billy, he killed my Tatum”. And I’m like how do you know Billy‘s dead? Because that happened upstairs and he went downstairs where Tatum‘s dead body would be, so he should only know that Tatum‘s dead.

[@NoName-od2qj]

That’s a good catch. Sidney had no reason to suspect randy and she did a similar thing in part 2 when she suspected Derek. It’s like she never learns

[@austinbros1000]

It still makes perfect sense that Randy knew it was Stu. I mean, Stu was literally the only other person left.

[@CeltycSparrow]

Randy says the reason right in this scene. He says "I saw Tatum....I think Stu KILLED HER." (and he was right...just like he was also right in the video store about Billy being the killer. Randy is a genius when it comes to movies and that's why he was able to discern the killers' motive.)

[@gustavodias4865]

I think that all happened like this: While Sidney was being attacked in the car by Billy, Randy found out Tatum's body. And, after just a few minutes he saw Stuart taking his mask off while Stu was checking if Gale was dead in the Van. Stu also realized that Randy saw him, and them just run after him.

[@jakebloomfield1531]

I always thought that randy saw Stu taking off the costume on his way to the front door after the car scene

[@RubyMVmistress]

It is super creepy, because on a psychological level, you can compare this to Columbine shooting, you have two shooters, one more dominate than the other killer. Then even when the shooting was taking place, Dylan aka Stu in the comparison. The columbine shooters, had a small group of friends, one they met in the parking lot and told him to go home you don't want to be here. Then during the shooting, I think Dylan looked underneath a desk and he says what's up and then the other teen said what's up, what're you doing? Then Dylan said you know just shooting people. Then Dylan walks off. It's super eerie because, you have two psychopaths, but at the final end up sparing someone they liked/were friends with. It makes it a super eerie and interesting psychological reasoning.

[@brettglick8813]

I understand why they cut those scenes out. For 3/4 of the movie... Tatum teases/bully's Randy. And since Randy only had eyes for Sidney. It wouldn't make sense for Randy ( and us the audience) to continually hound Stu about Tatum. To be fair, Randy says " I found Tatum she's dead...I THINK Stu did it"

[@HilliIndustries]

One of my favourite movies and yet I never asked myself this question. I just accepted that they both got into a fight, but we didn't get to see it because it would destroy the suspense. The audience needed to see this moment through Sydneys eyes. She didn't know and so we didn't know.

[@DonPointe]

I had always thought that while Randy was outside/finding Tatum, he saw Stu going to see if Gale was still alive after the van crash. He could’ve also had part of his costume on. But that’s just my own personal interpretation :)

[@leamason9006]

I’ve read the script and it definitely hints that Stu and Randy were both gay.

[@Carsigma2]

In the final version randy feels something for Sidney,that’s a fun fact but Stu seems to be gay.

[@Banooner]

It might just be me, but when watching Scream 1996, I never get the impression of anyone being gay. Edit: had to fix a grammar mistake. Silly me.

[@jamespope7669]

Good thing that gay 💩 wasn't in the final script.

[@teddygr1mes]

@@Banoonerno 100% just all rlly close friends

[@zydration3538]

For example?

[@JettaBReacting]

I actually like the final cut version. I think you can tell they were friends and I like that for first watchers you still dont know if its Stu OR Randy during that scene versus finding out Randy figured out it was Stu

[@GregOrCreg]

I like how the film turned out. I like the ambiguity. It allows us to imagine how Randy discovered Stu was Ghostface (or one of them). At that stage, it's also possible he's just wrong, and simply working on a hunch. I also like that there's a bigger cast of characters (albeit, mostly extras/bit parts) which in turn takes the spotlight a little off Stu and Billy and thus adds to the mystery of who the killer(s) might be.

[@cinema_chic]

Im glad youre continuing the tv Scream version. The first two seasons were really good and i wish they had kept going, at least to answer the questions, instead of making the third season it's own thing.

[@heatheraucoin5832]

I’m so loving this channel. Thank you for the research and delivery each time for us Scream fans

[@tylerpeck9754]

just because Skeet waswearing the costume in the scene doesnt mean its his character in themovie there..

[@Deseko]

Ever notice Randys wedding ring? lmao

[@chrisdavies5253]

No that's a purity ring he was a virgin then. It was just a fancy ring to also scare off women obviously to keep his virtue in a horror movie.

[@brandonlrushman2870]

Randy pleading with Sydney to believe him is ridiculous! I would’ve been like “girl fine! Bet! Bye!!!!” 😂💅🏻✌🏻

[@zydration3538]

Her not believing him after literally watching the camera feed was ridiculous.

[@brandonlrushman2870]

@@zydration3538 “Sidney” was making bad decisions! Like I get the hesitation but the answers were pretty obvious! 😂

[@oliviav.3565]

​@@zydration3538Not ridiculous, the girl was being chased by a masked killer, she wasn't exactly thinking logically.

[@zydration3538]

@@oliviav.3565 thinking logically and "just saw the killer behind someone" are 2 incredibly different things.

[@oliviav.3565]

@@zydration3538 Panic and fear don't make for great decision making. Actually, she made the best decision she could under those circumstances by saying "fuck you both" and shutting both of them out. If Billy hadn't come tumbling down the stairs she would have had a few moments to put 2 and 2 together and realize "hey wait a minute, it couldn't have been Randy!"

[@DirectorCM]

Oh boy, just wait till you find out Randy was meant to be the second killer.

[@tbone35453]

Another great piece of writing is when Stu goes to get some beers and doesn't return. We see earlier that the beers are in the garage when Tatum goes to get some, and we see later on that Tatum's body was left hanging from the garage door. If Stu was innocent, he would have discovered his girlfriend's body and presumably run back into the living room screaming.

[@dan7291able]

You know.. now that i REALLy think about it, it WAS kind of odd Randy seemed so sure out of nowhere that Stu was the killer lol, i never thought to look more into it but im sure glad this guy did lol, Thanks for the video! nice job

[@TheSYPHERIA]

It never bothered orconfused me nor most people I think because he obviously put two and two together and Stu was the only one left. And they probably rewrote those scenes because it would immeaditly give away Stu as the killer. I don't think Stu "spared" Randy, he just heard Sidney and had to go get her before she got to a phone

[@michaelward1945]

True but couldn't he just instant stab to forehead and chase after Sidney?

[@TheSYPHERIA]

@@michaelward1945 He was going to be we all know Stu likes to do the whole dramatic kill of slowly raising the knife and slamming it down. I think he figured Randy was hammered and they'd get to him later. People forget Billy's running around in the house too, he's not just acting dead upstairs. When Gale points the gun at the, Billy says "I thought you said she was dead" whioh means Billy and Stu were talking ans waiting for their cues -- kinda like actors behind the curtain of a play

[@michaelward1945]

@@TheSYPHERIA not many realized that detail tbh I didn't until a while back

[@seventhkeyomegasghost8233]

That's what I thought, he heard Sidney outside screaming for help from Kenny.

[@TheSYPHERIA]

@michaelward1945 lol the truth. I only realized because after I saw it in theaters I became obsessed with the movie on an unhealthy level ;). People were so shocked when it hit theaters. We we at the theater to see something else and couldn't get in and saw this movie called Scream showing at 9 o'clock so we figured, "Cool it's Wes Craven" no one really knew anything about it even who was in it. So when they killed Drew the theater was in shock. The experience was unreal because 90% of the audience walked in blind to it and when the ending reveal came... you knew this movie would be a top 10 classic

[@coryrobert7305]

I also find it interesting that scene where Sydney has the gun on both of them and cant figure out who to trust, after Sydney closes the door, Randy wasn't immediately killed by Stu. It was also Billy who shot Randy instead of Stu so it kind of goes with that idea that Stu actually liked Randy and didn't want to be the one to kill him, after all it was Randy who was on Billys trail before anyone else, so if they were going to kill him it should have happened a lot earlier in order to cover their own tracks, but then again I could just be reading into things haha

[@rm1042]

In the movie it was so obvious at that point anyway because look how sweaty Stu was from chasing around Sidney for the last 20 minutes.

[@TTVMumzieT]

The scene where Randy theorises that Billy is the killer to Stu in the video store shows their friendship perfectly. Randy doesn’t seem like the gossiping type but his theorising is just another form of gossiping this scene and he feels comfortable enough to do it with Stu. Not Tatum, not Sydney. Stu. I think Randy and Stu were closer than Stu and Billy before the killings started, the murders put distance between being Stu and Billy were getting closer That’s just my theory

[@NevanSlone]

Since Stu told Billy he checked to see if Gale was dead after she crashed the van Randy could’ve seen him checking on her and put it together.

[@akedi2734]

ty for makin this!! love deep lore like this

[@phillipjohson]

Good one

[@lilygoatdemon]

My only issue with this is it's been confirmed that it's Billy in the Ghostface costume during that scene with Ghostface and Randy. Not only did Skeet confirm it was the only time in the movie he actually got to wear the costume (he actually asked if he could wear it at least once, so this is the scene they gave him), but it's been talked about a lot that it's NOT Stu in that scene. In fact, the party is there to provide an alibi for Stu, since he's the host. I think a lot of people see the sequence of Stu going to go get some beers and the infamous "I'll be right back!!" and then later we get the scene with Tatum and I think a lot of folks assume Stu shuffled off to go kill Tatum, but he didn't--Billy actually did. But immediately after Tatum's death, Billy pops up all rushed and gives Stu a "look" and Stu responds to it pretty obviously. I thought it was Stu in that scene for the longest time too, but I've seen enough evidence and arguments supporting it being Billy that I've come around. In the original script, this also holds up, because it's just him and Randy at the party, he obviously can't go shuffle off and kill Tatum; he's gotta stay where Randy can see him at all times. Stu only dons the costume to stage Billy's "death" a bit later, after Sidney and Billy have had sex. It's likely it's Stu who killed the Gale's cameraman and anyone else outside before he came in and staged Billy's "death". So it's actually Billy hesitating to kill Randy here, not Stu, but this kind of still aligns with what we know about their characters. Honestly, Billy is a lot more "evil" than Stu, but he may have hesitated in killing Randy because Randy was "outside" of who he wanted to get revenge on. Randy's worst "crime" as far as Billy would care would be that he desperately wanted to hook up with Sidney, and I dunno if that's enough to warrant killing Randy from Billy's perspective.

[@markdohrmann5983]

It was Skeet Ulrich in the costume, but it was most likely Stu who was going to stab Randy. I think Billy definitely took out Tatum though.

[@DonyeWhite]

Skeet was in the costume but In Canon Stu is the one in the costume

[@dancerkris95]

Skeet wore the Ghostface costume behind Randy as "Stu" while "Billy" was presumed dead upstairs. Actually THEY BOTH wore the costume for that scene in different takes but Skeet and Matthew doesn't remember which one it was that showed on screen. If look closely when Ghostface walked into the living room and walked up behind Randy you can tell it was done in different takes between watching it for real and then watching it again in the news van with Sidney and Kenny. Ghostface had different body motions from watching it the 1st time while it was happening and watching it again in the news van from Gales camera.

[@Darien4life]

"It's likely it's Stu who killed the Gale's cameraman and anyone else outside before he came in and staged Billy's "death"." Billy's staged death scene had already happened BEFORE the cameraman's death. The entire reason Sydney was outside in the first place.

[@bkppppppp]

It good there wasn’t extra context or Randy’s suspicion because it makes the surprise better and the scene where Sid doesn’t trust Stu and Randy better and scarier

[@SailorMartin3]

You know, I've found it interesting... Billy never really interacts with anyone except Stu and Sidney in Scream (1996). Sure he talks with Randy in the video store but Stu is involved. In the other scenes except at the police station when he's being interrogated, the only people he actually talks directly to are Stu and Sidney.

[@charleykeating]

Makes total sense ! Thanks for sharing ❤

[@elmochacho3]

Well played pal I remember wondering why didnt ghostface kill Randy when he's behind him. He hadn't hesitated once before this moment and I often wondered why that was.

[@Jim222001]

I always felt like Billy didn’t want to kill Randy as well. That’s why he didn’t shoot him in the head or stomach. He really did admire his way of thinking.

[@marcia268]

I never had doubts, I always assumed that Randy thought: "if I'm not the killer, the other guy is".

[@SailHatinSoap]

This is how I viewed it: On his way to the front of the house he sees Tatum, and knowing that Stu had gone for more beer confirms it. They didn't make it explicit because they don't want to reveal it just yet, Sydney is the POV and the reveal is for her. But Randy DID know by that point. I do like the probing in the original version of the script, though. Randy was always the character I kinda related to the most so seeing him actually piece it together without having the concrete evidence not only would've fit better for me personally, but would've fit the intelligence of the character. I really wish Randy didn't have to die in Scream 2, he would've been a lot of fun in 4 and onward. I think it'd be an interesting twist to see Randy return as the unrevealed third killer... Unknown to Stu and a secret only Billy knew, going so far as to fake his death, and be involved in all the events from 2 onward. Give the series a mastermind! And make it the horror/film genius that he is. He always was in love with Sydney. A 30+ year obsession, a faked death, not even his family knew.... It'd be brilliant.

[@mazengwe28]

That's dumb. Bringing people back to life is a bad plot device used in too many films not sci-fi.

[@maximumvio1et677]

I get why they changed the scene; randy asking about Tatum and getting brushed off so many times would've been hella obvious especially if they were alone. randy accusing Stu and then being right is easily accepted by the end of the movie since it just validates randy further, and even sets up randy as Sidney's best ally for the sequel (rip randy).

[@cw9817]

Without the explanation you've researched, it just seems in the scene you reference that everyone is going crazy given the night's events. From the first-time audience's point of view, both or neither of them might be the killer. So no explanation is technically needed; rather, everyone might be acting out of fear and accusing the others of being guiilty. That's what I thought when I first saw it in 1997 or so.

[@RipperCyclotron]

What I like about this is it ties in with Ghostface having so much knowledge of horror movies and tropes just like Randy. If Stu and Randy were good friends they would have watched plenty of horror movies together.

[@gaymface5207]

It still kinda makes sense for the same reason. He obviously knows he’s not the killer and there isn’t anyone left besides the main cast so he probably just figured it was Stu by process of elimination. Good work tho!

[@magicoA]

Well,I think the simple explanation is that if it had to be one of them,Randy knew he,himself,wasn’t the killer

[@misterpeachy2213]

I swear when the first “Scary movie” film came out it was a comedy tribute to what the first scream film was originally going to be named 👍

[@reduXstereo]

Stu is the one that made me think all class clowns are low key psychopaths.

[@Foot_Walk270]

Did Dewey see tatum's body???

[@twietter]

I don’t think so till after the movie ended and sydney told him

[@leadingblind1629]

Stu: get me another beer, huh, babe? Tatum: what am I, the beer wench? Later... Randy: Never say 'I'll be right back. Cuz you won't be back. Stu: Hey, I'm going to get a beer...

[@hankscorpio7767]

The reason Randy knew it was Stu was because Stu said he was going to get a beer (where he would have found Tatums body) and never came back but was unharmed himself. Dead give away.

[@LooneyClubMafiaEdits]

Thank God I Been Waiting For A Long Time

[@boolikethebear]

i love how originally scream was called scary movie, which went on to be the title of the parodies of the scream franchise

[@klee329]

I mean, mission accomplished with the title of the video, but I don’t see how this needed to be seven minutes. 😂

[@djspacey2509]

Wow. Me and my brother used to discuss this all the TIME! We always spoke about how cool it would be if he seen Stu taking off the mask etc. 😮

[@MichaelAQ]

I just figured Randy saw Stu change out of the costume after the whole Syd in the Jeep scene.

[@krishopson9214]

Even if you take away the original draft, it makes sense that Randy figured it out. "Oh yeah? Why would he wanna kill his own girlfriend?" "There's always some stupid bullshit reason to kill your girlfriend. That's the beauty of it, simplicity." Randy deduced early on that Billy has a reason to kill Sidney. He figures Stu has a reason to kill Tatum. We know that Billy killed her while Stu mingled, but Stu sent her to be killed to show his loyalty.

[@RoaringTidesOnline]

The major reason he begins suspecting Stu is the scene in the video store when Stu seems so adamant about Billy being innocent. He was too adamant.

[@vesbarrow]

Stu didn't hesitate, he heard screams from outside that distracted him.

[@youtuber5669]

Stu: I'm getting another beer you want one?

[@tylerpeck9754]

your theory makes sense!

[@CodingAbroad]

I often pondered this too

[@ricksloan5588]

I like the lack of context. True horror should have mysteries in the plot.

[@TheQuotest19]

It had to be Billy that killed Tatum, Stu asked Tatum to go grab beer from the garage knowing Billy would be there. Randy would have suspected Stu if they both had left then only Stu returns, plus no one at the party knew Billy was even there (besides Stu)

[@crazyralph6386]

The chemistry between Lillard and Kennedy was awesome in this flick.

[@ghostsurfer23]

Oh man, I'm actually super interested in a novel continuation of the Scream tv series.

[@libradawg9]

I always wondered what went on outside when Sydney slammed the door on them.

[@leeandrew6555]

I always liked the idea that Randy was the third killer. Billy shot him in the shoulder intentionally, similar to how he and Stu discussed stabbing each other. Things go sideways and Randy has to live as a "victim". When the second movie comes around Mrs Loomis and Mickey have no affiliation with Randy and he unintentionally inspires his own murderers. That's why Stu and Randy charge the door at the end of Scream, whoever Sidney lets in will let the other two in. Similar to the Casey Becker "which door am I at" trick at the beginning of the movie.

[@scottaznavourian3720]

The 2 that made it into the movie make it pretty obvious... especially when stu claims she must have gotten pissed at him and bailed

[@DigitalPockets_]

I always thought Randy saw Stu taking off the Ghost face costume. As he was near the vehicle in which Stu was just attempting to attack Sidney. Ghost face ran. Most likely in Randy's view. Ghost face didn't see Randy, because he was hiding. Randy saw him drop the costume. As we know, the costumes are sold everywhere and are cheap. Not an issue for Stu to have multiple costumes lying around. We saw Dewey holding one costume the night Billy was arrested near Sidneys after the first attack on her.