The Deprogram Episode 37 - A People's history of Youtube

The good, the bad, and the ugly. The online left, from A to Z. What came before and where might it go?
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[@ryanbareither89]

"The woman was drowning" would be proper grammar.

[@GETchan]

55:55 Proud to have brought over translated content from BiliBili. 😌 Jokes aside, this was a fantastic video on the history of the medium. Some of the topics made me feel kind of nostalgic, honestly. Thanks for the blast from the past!

[@samz1950]

Oh amazing!! I was looking for your videos as Hakim didn’t provide a name for them! Please let me know if you would be interested in collaborating, my Chinese isn’t perfect but I think it’s a very worthwhile endeavor! Edit: I can’t find it on your channel! What’s it called??

[@ericktellez7632]

Why is so hard to get a visa for China 😞👏

[@samz1950]

@@ericktellez7632 COVID :/ But they’re starting to relax visa policy, starting with family visas.

[@GETchan]

@@samz1950 I don’t think my channel is what you’re looking for! I was just being cheeky about how I’ve provided previously-unavailable translations, the joke of course being that it’s all just music rather than any actual theory. Apologies for getting your hopes up!

[@YaBoiHakim]

omg GETchan

[@1Dimee]

Thanks for the name drop!

[@waspwrap1235]

Yo wassup man

[@adamthethird4753]

It's been a wonderful day. A veritable deluge of Socialist, Communist, and Marxist content has been flowing into my feed today. I am so grateful for that entire Community. Keeping me sane, enraged, and entertained at the same time.

[@ksully27]

Tankie is the new "hipster" used to describe literally anything at the receiving end of an insult.

[@non-gmobuttplug6204]

You're a tankie

[@sleepyhead8681]

It's A new red scare term in left wing spaces.

[@samsadowitz1724]

@@sleepyhead8681 that's what I'm getting from it too

[@Otzkar]

Nah that would be cringe. Tankie is more something you call an anarchist to make them layout their entire framework just for you to respond with a surface level insult

[@jcivilis533]

@@Otzkar The virgin western anarchist "NOOO I'm not a tankie I'm a principled socialist *proceeds to write fourteen paragraphs about why he disavows the USSR* " vs the chad "Yes, I'm a Marxist-Leninist"

[@Turdfergusen382]

JT was cracking me up in this one. I feel like he holds back on these guys sometimes.

[@Kamarovsky_KCM]

It's so sad that in my country of Poland, every even remotely social-democratic content creator is automatically demonized, and there are really barely any socialists producing content here. And even less actual organizing and political groupings. I hope that this country can grow out of its middle-schoolesque obsession with anti-sjw'ism and acting like anarcho-capitalism would be a successful system.

[@samsadowitz1724]

Here's the ultimate test for them (those that think ancap is a good system........ what do they think of America, what do they think of our health care system and its $2k ambulance ride. Hopefully that'll put things into perspective...... bit probably not because the red scare/de-communization got them good

[@jackszyprowski]

I have relatives in Poland, and whenever I visit I find it sad how right wing this country is. I saw a trot poster in warsaw, but that's about it.

[@Kamarovsky_KCM]

@@jackszyprowski Yeahh I guess the CIA propaganda in the 90's onwards really worked wonders in demonizing the previous system. Even thought the majority of people who lived under that system remember it fondly.

[@wister8528]

yeah, it fucking sucks here. even in conversation, i've never heard anyone actually say anything leftwing

[@emperorspock3506]

Yeah, it's true across Post-Soviet Eastern Europe. Soviet politics are equalised with Russian imperialism 1:1, and self-determination, with neo-liberal economics and Reaganite mode of thinking, with the obsessively rosy view of the nationalist bourgeois regimes that existed between the two world wars. The influence of all sorts of traitor diasporas that ran from the Soviets to (mostly) North America in the 1940's doesn't help either.

[@pablobarrios7681]

I’m starting the podcast from the first episode and listening while working, I already have para social feelings for you guys, great stuff and chemistry you all have

[@Turdfergusen382]

The comraderie makes it.

[@fun_ghoul]

@@Turdfergusen382 *camaraderie

[@jpolitic6640]

this has gotta be the episode where yugo had to rerecord all his audio which makes it seem like hakim is rudely interrupting him. no way it isn’t this one

[@thepicbloke7246]

I was thinking the same

[@maksschmidt]

Stages of Drowning would be a sick name for a metal band.

[@Торговецложками]

I am insanely glad to hear the mention of the Russian left KZbin. You definitely need to invite Oleg Komolov or Konstantin Semin, you will not regret it.

[@deptusmechanikus7362]

Maybe not Semen. But definitely Komolov

[@artemagarkovdwemerion4644]

Kogorlizky is also pretty interesting I'd say and he speaks English well, so it works

[@tankpiggy]

I remember being sucked into the pit of reactionary youtube from 2015-2017. I was around 12-13 at the time, so this was really my first experience with politics. It really misled me on many things, but then I found Hakim and other internet spaces. I’m really glad it isn’t as popular as it once was, because things like “SJW Cringe Compilation #72683” may seem harmless, but when many people see them, atleast a couple are going to pick up the beliefs espoused in the video. 27:10 Vaush

[@tylerblue9691]

Yeah... I was also in the pit when I was a teenager. It was like a drug- I got hooked by anti-SJW Star Wars channels and Heelvsbabyface and the Quartering, even Ben Shabeeno. IDK how I went from that to a Socialist, but it happened and proves people can change

[@SolarFlareAmerica]

@@tylerblue9691 OH FUCK DUDE ME TOO. Literally Tyler, I left the theatres after watching TLJ and feeling, perhaps for the first time, let down by hype. I felt conflicted about the writing and plot in general in the film for a few days before I looking into it online to see if anyone agreed. Took me less than a week to start watching stuff like the quartering, critical drinker, and EFAP regularly. Fell into some fairly incel shit (arguably already held some of those beliefs anyways and just had them fleshed out) but wasn't long before I was dipping my toes into sargon of akkad videos. But I guess, I got filtered out. I couldn't get around to agreeing with some of the shit takes I was hearing and was one of those people who actually watches the content they make long-ass videos responding to, and found more often than not they were all being kinda disingenuous at best. Daisy Ridley being a great example actually, because those aforementioned dudes would occasionally take the mask off and just rip into her directly, as if this actress few had heard of before wasn't doing the best character acting she could with the mediocre scripts she was given. Generally, they were either shitty to or misrepresented pretty much every major woman in the new trilogy, despite them having limited creative input and no writing input into their own characters. The new trilogy was a disjointed mess and a corporate hell, and are so badly looked back upon because they had the gall to be insanely mediocre movies. I'm not sure what the exact catalyst was, but I found Shaun, specifically his "British Rail" video, and then Hbomberguy. Kept sliding leftward pretty much ever since. Last one I stopped watching was drinker, pretty much right after I realized all the problematic shit he kept saying and doing wasn't just a character. Plus, a plethora of bad takes mixed into pretty much every video that should've been a straightforward video about "why xuniversally bad movie was bad".

[@SolarFlareAmerica]

@@tylerblue9691 If I can reccomend anything to everyone reading this, "Innuendo Studios" put out a short series of videos on youtube called the "alt-right playbook" and I feel like yall should give it a good watch. Great popcorn material, it'll have lightbulbs going off in your head often. Very worth checking out.

[@noanimezone3149]

I'm a woman and I still got sucked in to the whole anti SJW thing. My awakening moment was out of curiosity checking what the "opposing" side was saying and finding out what they were saying was actually perfectly reasonable, when not sensationalized and misconstrued by those reactionary channels.

[@Itsliterallynothing]

Same thing happened to me too, 2019-2020. Was able to dig out of it with the help of Non Compete and the 2020 protests pulling me out of Reactionary Land. Found JT in 2021 after J6, watching him since. Funny, I was always moreorless Republican, mainly cause that's the only thing I saw on the TV was them. But I thank 2020 in a way to free me of the terror that is reactionary thought. And to free me of two fascists burying me into the pit before they ran like weak fools when I arose.

[@DeadInside-ct6dl]

Just finished listening to it on Spotify, giving more streams here

[@adamthethird4753]

I listen to it on Audible. Just for the Irony.

[@Ajente02]

39:37 I've not seen a lot of 1Dime, but his 2-hour video on the collapse of the Soviet Union and criticism of the soviet economy was superb. I think it's one of the best explorations (if not THE best) in KZbin, alongside Paul Cockshott's videos about the topic, on the economic criticisms of the USSR from a Marxist perspective.

[@hpalpha7323]

As much as people like to make fun of him, Slavoj Zizek was my introduction to the left. Saw him monologue on Big Think 10 years ago, looked him up and listened to some of his lectures while I worked. Led me to a lot of adjacent left wing lectures, video essays, shorter form youtubers

[@hallajkom]

Those guys becoming kind of virtual friends that I’ve never met.. thank you, that’s important, and somehow scary

[@sarahjames5176]

One thing I will say about the boomer communist newspapering, is that going out and doing that is great training for speaking in more important political moments that I don't think online prepares you for as well. Talking to random people on the street about socialism/communism prepared me for doing things like leading community meetings for workers trying to unionize. If that's your only tactic, you're not going to go far, but as a tool to train cadre to think on their feet and learn to meet working people where their consciousness is at without watering down politics, it's really valuable.

[@acaristic93]

also while it's changing....a lot of older folks do still prefer newspapers to online stuff i dont think it should be papers used instead of online tools,but it's not inherently mutually exclusive,and if you have the resources doing both is great

[@comraderat9102]

Hearing Yugopnik say /leftypol/ formed him and praise it in a way makes all the hours of moderation and tard wrangling as a mod and at one point top admin seem like it wasn't all wasted effort. I also started my journey on /leftypol/ all the way at the start of it. Thank you and good luck to all my fellow (former) boardmembers. May you all find happiness and success in IRL organising or online education.

[@jeffreyherrera5069]

47:08 Hakim: How does this effect him in any possible way? Random Trot: Didn't you know? Stalin used that comically large spoon he had from beyond the grave.

[@SlickNinja1984]

I no longer take the term "tankie" as an insult anymore. I take it as a badge of honor knowing our class enemies are unable to do anything but insult the unified left.💯⚒️✊️✊🏻✊🏾✊🏿🇵🇸🇨🇺🇰🇵🇨🇳🇮🇶

[@Moortas]

I just stubled across this and i gotta say this is crazy good, i rarely watch entire podcasts but your great timing and conversation skills kept me watching, congrats guys

[@eevee1791]

On Russian KZbin the amount of videos about the Soviet Union compared to English language KZbin is amazing

[@adamthethird4753]

In which way? I assume one has more than the other?

[@eevee1791]

@@adamthethird4753 russian has more

[@a.s.8104]

It would be good if those channels added english subtitles to their videos

[@a.s.8104]

Is the knowledge of marxism still quite widespread among russians if there is a large amount of good content in the social media?

[@eevee1791]

@@a.s.8104 yes

[@josedavidgarcesceballos7]

Gentlemen, based on this episode, its time to give advice on how to organize in different contexts, and maybe discussing the pros and cons of professional organizers. Cheers.

[@mazssj]

The studio Ghibli joke cracked me up.

[@thepicbloke7246]

Is this the episode where they had to re-record Yugopnik's audio? It feels like he's talking to himself

[@catherinejanet5806]

lol i legit thought he was a guest at some points because of the audio

[@waspwrap1235]

Great video man

[@hargyd0n]

The most based podcast!

[@SolarFlareAmerica]

gonna have to redo that yellow and red hakim art to have a slick fade now ;)

[@edoardodalpra4742]

Never ask a man his salary, a woman her age, and a gen z his political stances in 2016.

[@marxism-araism576]

58:00 "We are experiencing technical difficulties, please stand by".

[@noanimezone3149]

You mean if I move to China I'd see less thirst traps on tiktok? Literally 1984.

[@Literally-hw6jv]

Trotskyism is very popular in the UK - don't ask me why, it's just the way it is. I had the disprivilege of joining one even though I'm not a trotskyist and Hakim I can confirm every single thing you've said about them. This hyperfixation over Stalin and Stalinism makes them almost sound like a cult. They also dismiss any Marxist-Leninist that came after Trotsky, i.e. Mao, Kil il Sun, Ho Chi Minh, Fidel Castro, and are profoundly disinterested in the Black Panthers as well. They're commonly known for infiltrating black and brown spaces to show superficial solidarity with us, and never show up to any of our events again, it's just a bid for them to get us to join their silly cult. Honestly, I can look over their shitty theory and actions all if they stopped fucking selling newspapers like its the 1920s! The bourgeois attitude of these nutcases became apparent when I told them I became radicalised through the internet, and told them about Marxist content creators and what a dynamic and emerging area of the internet this is. They literally scoffed and said, "well... internet's great and all but it's time for some real revolutionary action". Oh mate, like what, selling fucking newspapers and organising a reading group of what, 2 people at best? The irony is, is that's exactly what they went on to say. They will always assert that Marxism-Leninism (tankies as they call us) is an online phenomenon and doesn't exist in the real world. Obviously this is bile considering there has been no country that has adopted trotskyism as a state ideology, nor is it popular in the third world. It's also bullshit because Trotskyism is neither popular on the internet, nor in real life. I'm just being honest here. By infiltrating gay, lgbt, and black and brown spaces by talking about Stalinist bureaucracy they've done nothing but made socialists look like nutjobs. It also doesn't help them by splitting up over every minor disagreement. There's like twenty different Trot groups here in the UK. Socialist Workers Party, THE Socialist, Socialist Appeal, Workers Party of Socialists. It's like that joke from Monty Python where he says "people's liberation army?! pfff. we're the liberation army of the PEOPLE." That's seriously the case. Trots can't even stand themselves let alone Marxist Leninists.

[@fun_ghoul]

Judean People's Front

[@Literally-hw6jv]

@@fun_ghoul THAT. Yeah sorry was typing from memory lol

[@fun_ghoul]

@@Literally-hw6jv No worries. It was a good scene to reference!

[@borelespork4510]

Same here dude, i joined IMT and joined their IMU lecture event this week and it was the worst organised event i've ever been a part of. Let's not also forget the personality cult of the most unremarkable marixst known as Alan Woods, the lack of theorireticle knowledge, their "true" knowledge (in other words whatever Alan Woods thinks is true), lack of diskussion, allergi to grass, awfull hot takes, being mostly stuck to the past, being the leftist mix of Jordan Petersson and Jehovas vittnes, and lastly ALL OF THE FUCKING BUROCRAZY! It's fucking sick, and sadly one of the only organisations here in Sweden :c

[@Literally-hw6jv]

@@borelespork4510 That lecture was an absolute bore. Alan Woods has the demeanour of Chomsky, but is far less interesting. I don't even find Chomsky that good anymore, and neither do a lot of communists, so that's a big L for Mr. Woods. That being said I'm not necessarily pro-Stalin, I think he did a lot of things that were yikes, but that's different from blaming every single wrongdoing of the Soviet Union on him, or not acknowledging that he at least defeated the Nazis! Which is a feat unto itself. Plus, most people here in the UK and I'm sure in Sweden as well, don't give a shit about a factional dispute that occurred almost a hundred years ago in a country that doesn't exist anymore :D still they dwell on it like someone who's never gotten over their ex. We're more concerned about the housing crisis, rise in living costs, anti-immigration/far right rhetoric and the media's complacency towards these issues. We wanna know how Marxism can solve these present-day issues, not how Stalin's 5 year programme would've been so much better under Trotsky.

[@emanuelneagu14]

Now I want to start learning Chinese even more badly

[@internetera1523]

It would be super cool if we could do some sort of crossovers between English speaking comrades and those in the Middle Kingdom.Translation work of course,but also some sort of collab.

[@thelastarcadegamer6655]

Second thought and deprogram episodes in one day? And intriguing Marxist Paul videos I missed out on recently? Mmm yes, the left is growing

[@Ajente02]

17:31-17:35 Sorry Hakim, I'm afraid Hoxhaists still exists today. Two of the biggest KZbinrs in the Spanish speaking left of KZbin (Pau Botella and Roberto Vaquero) are Hoxhaists. Their content is generally pretty good when speaking of Marxist theory, and has good esthetic quality... but sometimes they expose some very questionable positions on AES countries and progressivism.

[@minhducnguyen9276]

Comrade, you just failed to understand the superiority of Hoxhaist bunker engineering.

[@minhducnguyen9276]

@@Tetragrammaton22 They have some good criticism against revisionism within socialist state but then took it too far and suggest that we should all cut off ourselves from the global economy because since the world economy is dominated by imperialism any trading on the international market is revisionism.

[@minoyd]

Comrades, might I ask if there is a full version of your theme song?

[@YaBoiHakim]

It's in the works!

[@kailawkamo1568]

No synthesis is being made in debate bro "debates". They're more likely to focus on farming clout rather than on the politics itself.

[@marxism-araism576]

My first leftist channel I watched was Step Back History followed by Second Thought.

[@bringurownvibe]

You can tell these boys are the real deal because Yugopnik got CIA'd at the end of this episode

[@a.s.8104]

Shoutout to Gabriel Rockhill as a potential guest!

[@Turdfergusen382]

It's called a near drowning Most stated as "They almost/nearly drown!"

[@fun_ghoul]

I almost/nearly drowned!

[@LordOfElysium]

Where I live doctors have computers or iPads where they put it in the computer directly! So that’s pretty cool

[@KekusMagnus]

I love the mention of the old Kapitalism 101 series, they played a big part of my early days as a leftist too! sucks that he deactivated his channel

[@novocoder]

On 38:15 JT starts mentioning Content Creators Does anyone have links to all these Content Creators?

[@jessh4016]

These are the ones that Hakim mentioned: 1Dime: www.youtube.com/@1Dimee The Marxist Project: www.youtube.com/@themarxistproject Paul Cockshott: www.youtube.com/@paulcockshott8733

[@Ajente02]

45:58 Sadly, the Spanish speaking left in KZbin is pretty undeveloped. There are a few channels with a considerable ammount of subscribers (mainly from Spain), but most of them are either quite suspicious of reactionary positions (ex.: Santiago Armesilla, from Gustavo Bueno's revisionist school of "philosophical materialism", which exposes Spanish nationalist views; Roberto Vaquero and Pau Botella, from the PML(RC) - Frente Obrero, who are Hoxhaist ultra-leftists and anti-progressive/anti-feminists), or very timid/uncompormised or vague/ecclectic on their positions (ex.: Diego Ruzzarin, a Brazilian bourgeois socialist living in Mexico, who focus more on philosophy rather than in political or economic theory; Ovejas Eléctricas, a Spanish posmodernist 'left-ish' kind of cultural critic; Café Kyoto, the same as Ovejas Eléctricas but from Argentina and with a higher aestethic quality). There are other channels who exposes more centrist or centre-left positions (like La Base, deeply linked to Podemos in Spain), or extremely niche channels from IRL Marxist political organizations with very few subscribers (with the honourable exception of Izquierda Diario, from the Argentinian Trotskyists in PST - FIT-U, and even them are on the low numbers).

[@rbynam9055]

whats a channel would you recommend. is there one?

[@Ajente02]

@@rbynam9055 All the ones I mentioned are recommendable in particular videos (especially the ones from the PML(RC), Roberto Vaquero and Pau Botella - they have great content on Marxist theory and history), but at the same time most of them have pretty questionable opinions on certain issues, and are very open and vocal about them, so every one of them should be taken with a grain of salt. Generally, and sadly, English speaking LeftTube has way better material than the Spanish speaking sphere.

[@Smonserratm]

A lot of people talk really positive things about the podcast Café Marx. I never listened to it, though. Roberto Vaquero has degenerated into pure hate speech against trans people, lgbt, etc. I would avoid it. Bueno, Armesilla and their gang are sickening, nationalists and imperialists. Armesilla also indulges in the same anti-trans speech. He might be good at economy, but I personally avoid him as much as I can. Not gonna lie, right now I don't see a 'big' youtube channel that doesn't come with serious issues. Twitter has a lot more variety of leftists and commies I think.

[@Ajente02]

@@Smonserratm I don't listen too many podcasts (only The Deprogram, and WilFerLand)... maybe Café Marx is good. Vaquero has *always* been transphobic and anti-LGBT, it's not a degeneration, it's a core aspect of his Hoxhaist party line (rejection of """posmodernist queer ideology"""). Nonetheless, some of his theoretical, historical, and economic videos are quite good to recommend. Sadly I agree, there's not a single big KZbin channel in the Spanish speaking leftist community that's not sus in some aspect or the other.

[@thcalicia]

I watched Finbols videos first and then non-compete and badmouse

[@Ajente02]

I also watched FinBol's videos first! Then Viki1999, Hakim, BadEmpanada, halim alrah, Spooky Scary Socialist, Thought Slime, Non-Compete, Paul Cockshott, ContraPoints (if she could be considered leftist)... And more recently, 1Dime, Second Thought, Yugopnik, Marxist Paul, Café Kyoto, Formación Comunista, Roberto Vaquero, Diego Ruzzarin, Santiago Armesilla....

[@minhducnguyen9276]

I started with prolekult then thought slime, Yugopnik then finnbol, Hakim, Badempanada, Marxist Paul, socialist Swann. Still looking for a Latin American breadtube and a Chinese one.

[@arrudalm]

@@minhducnguyen9276 I know a few Brazilians, but since they're in Portuguese, I'm not sure if that's what you want when you say Latin American: assimdisseojoao, JonesManoel, HistóriaPúblicaOficial ... Also I am not clear on the breadtube concept.

[@arrudalm]

I think HistóriaPúblicaOficial usually has english subtitles. TeseOnze always has them too.

[@minhducnguyen9276]

@@arrudalm If they have English subtitles that's good enough.

[@opossumqueen7532]

WHAT KIND OF VOLVO how did I miss this. What year? What swap??

[@SecondThought]

1992 240 wagon! Swapping either a 6.0 or 6.2 into it, and swapping the stock automatic transmission for a 6-speed. Very excited!

[@joshuabryant9845]

@@SecondThought Sick. I love tanks too

[@opossumqueen7532]

@@SecondThought nice!! I had an 85 for a bit and it was SO user friendly and easy to work on. I was amazed at how well it drove for a 35yr old car. Better than some 20yr old cars I've owned. I just sold the last Volvo of our family last Saturday! An 03 XC70 so nothing special but it was my dad's since 05 so it was bittersweet. I'm a minivanner now. 😳😅 Best wishes on your build!

[@fun_ghoul]

@@SecondThought I guess one more asshole in Texas with a V8 belching filth into the atmosphere won't be the tipping point... 😒

[@raven_g6667]

I'm fine with the reformed anti-sjw's but I don't think you have to accept them. A few of them did real damage and put ppls lives in real danger so. You can accept that they've changed but you don't have to really like em, as for me I'm also still very wary of them.

[@therat1117]

It would be fine if they just were a supporter and did their own thing, the real critique is when they go 'I was a foaming right-winger 4 years ago, that's why I'm now the leftism god who knows all and I 'deconvert' people every day'.

[@minhducnguyen9276]

*Adam Something noise in the background*

[@Kamarovsky_KCM]

People like TJ Kirk have gotten really far-left and progressive tho, so even though he was really annoying back in the day, he does do good for the movement nowadays, albeit while still being rather eccentric in his ways.

[@samsadowitz1724]

I used to be an avid follower, and even ascribe to the title of being anti-sjw. But as time went by, their arguments and protests became as ridiculous as the sjw's they claimed to hate and I started to part with that too. It's only now that I realize that the entire time, I was anti-reactionary.

[@therat1117]

@@Kamarovsky_KCM Say goddamn sike because this is the same man who bunked out of right wing groups over *Trump being against weed* and afaik is still a raging misogynist. Literally checked his twitter and confirmed not only that, but that he spreads overpopulation narratives.

[@TheMoistestNugget]

/leftypol/ was wild

[@RadicalEduction]

50:15 the Trotskyist in Hakim's head

[@milos8556]

Dear yugopnik, when you do all that skin care bullshit your supposed to use cold water as hot water makes your skin breakout. so next time you shave or use facial cream use cold water.

[@SolarFlareAmerica]

AYYYYYY FALLOUT REFERENCE

[@catfein9827]

The algorithm autoplays Lex Friedman podcast videos after EVERY Deprogram vid just fyi. ( I don’t listen to or vibe with those videos either)

[@PvlC]

01:04:23 link to the Prime Numbers channel you mentioned: kzbin.info/door/Bj1077tuLsuIhthXDhmtKw It's russian mirror is very popular among russian-speaking communists.

[@mrpieceofwork]

*I N T E R S E C T I O N A L I T Y*

[@PvlC]

I think the more leftist stuff we have, the better it is. Do not discourage people who just copy leftist posts or throw crap on Stalin while trying to come out as being socialist - it's all goes into creating a leftist narrative. What I want to say is that even the stupidest things that promote communist ideas are needed - it makes them more popular and really good things only appear out of heaps of crap. Not everyone was a Lenin 100 years ago and unfortunately situation haven't cchanged by 21 century.

[@fun_ghoul]

Nah. Stalin is the keystone: Anyone deriding his as evil or invoking "Stalinism" must be corrected or marginalized, as spreading that poison can only hurt commies long-term.

[@baum8981]

You talked about extending the funnel into leftism quite a bit here, but I feel like the left is currently doing rather badly at playing the algorithm in general. Im really not an expert on this, but a good friend of mine is pretty much a professional algorithm wizard and here is a few things vaguely remember or believe to have observed myself: Yes comments and likes play a role, but this algorithm stuff goes so much deeper than that. YT has implemented stuff like hashtags you can put in video descriptions and I know numerous channels who have a shitload of random general as hashtags in their description. Another thing is featured channels. The KZbinr RM Brown for example just has a shitload of gigantic generic politics channels like the washington post or msnbc listed as featured channels and he just keeps growing at a pretty decent rate, despite not even monetizing his videos. Sharing videos on other platforms and generating traffic from other websites however seems to be one of the major things the algorithm looks for, because as I understand it, its statistically the hardest thing to get people to do. There is bunch more going on, but im sure there is videos that will explain this better than I can. I remember the Channel Spiffing brit doing a pretty extensive video on it and im sure most of the stuff in his videos still holds true despite being older at this point. And im somewhat sure there is a few things especially more active users can do. YT for example keeps telling me that viewers of channel X also watch this or that video. If you can bare looking at debate bros in ur feed, subscribe to them. Nobody forces you to actually watch them, but it increases the chances of their viewers seeing for example this podcast. How long you watch is recorded and also activity surrounding it meaning, if you watch this podcast and after 5 min you click off the video and even worse stop using YT alltogether for a while, the algorithm is going to remember that and it really doesnt like it. Watching over 50% of the video or even better the whole thing at once is good and even just clicking a different video after that is also recieved well, because the algo wants to keep you on the site as long as possible. There is also dumb shit like YT asking you how you like some random video or something you have already watched. Just tell the algorithm that you like the video, it takes literally 2 seconds and it again increases the chances of other people being recommended the stuff you watch on the regular. And yes im perfectly aware that all this circus only has the purpose of maximum monetary benefit for youtube aka being as addicted to this site as possible. For me personally I was watching a lot of the infamous V debate bro (luckily not anymore), when some random weirdo from iraq came on to talk to said debate bro and a channel with a red and yellow logo was suddenly recommended to me a lot ;)

[@fun_ghoul]

This is a lot of crap. "The algorithm" is simply a set of parameters written by humans. One of the params is always to keep commies out. Their numbers are a miracle, and at any second, their channel could be wiped out with zero recourse. Glad we could have this talk.

[@nigeluno]

Like they didn’t have Dawsons Creek in Long Island? 🙄

[@goutamboppana961]

58:23 my guess is Luna Oi

[@LexiH36]

I'm a little interested in starting a channel but I'm a procrastinator so like probably no time soon haha

[@1Sely7]

Can't seem to find the Chinese Marxism uni course on KZbin, does anyone have a link? Btw, sadly Trots are the most vocal and possibly the largest tendency in the UK, so there's that...

[@varisleek3360]

bump

[@YaBoiHakim]

Look up "The Sinicization of Marxism" on YT, it's a playlist with 117 videos or so.

[@1Sely7]

Mashallah

[@TBrown67]

I couldn't tell the name, who was the retired professor Hakim mentioned? Paul something?

[@YaBoiHakim]

Paul Cockshott. His YT channel goes by the same name.

[@deptusmechanikus7362]

So, Hakim, did you finally check out Prime Numbers? Is it *yay* or *boo* in your opinion?

[@nicholascharles9625]

Uphold brother hao thought

[@kailawkamo1568]

There is zero explicit socialist content in Filipino youtube rn (I guess Altermidya and Bulatlat might count?). Unfortunately, it's predominantly rightwing 💀. The socialist stuff is still limited to on-ground organizing due to the current McCarthyist crusade being waged by the government.

[@josephgeorge5741]

A comment for the algorithm.

[@MarvinRoman]

Anybody have links to some of the channels mentioned? The Chinese courses?

[@YaBoiHakim]

Look up "The Sinicization of Marxism" on YT, it's a playlist with 117 videos or so. Paul Cockshott, Oleg Komolov, 1Dime, The Marxist Project.

[@samz1950]

Does anyone know what the KZbin series was that Hakim mentioned at the end here (about Marxist theory translated from Chinese)?

[@YaBoiHakim]

Someone posted it on our subreddit. Look up the sinicization of Marxism on YT otherwise.

[@samz1950]

@@YaBoiHakim Thank you Comrade Dr. Hakim, I really appreciate it! I will try to see if I can get Peking U to upload courses from their Marxist studies department while I’m a student there🫡

[@trainpushingtutorials2822]

@@samz1950 bro can you link it again pls, Hakim's reply has been shadowed 🥲

[@hyacinthdathenes9405]

@@samz1950 I don't see anything from @Hakim here, can you forward or repost a link? I was really interested in that series!

[@thatoneradicalizedprussian225]

@@samz1950 Same here pls forward

[@acaristic93]

Does anyone know where to find those chinese university courses on marxism translated into english? Interesting video

[@YaBoiHakim]

Look up "The Sinicization of Marxism" on YT, it's a playlist with 117 videos or so.

[@thevictor180]

Where can I find that Chinese course on Marxism?

[@joeyschmidt9493]

Commenting for the algorithm

[@recmuralartcommission1993]

the best kind

[@artemagarkovdwemerion4644]

Prime Nubers is actually based, I really recommend the content, even though the dub voice is much worse than Oleg's original one. Would be cool to see what channels Yugopnik would actually recommend, but no one's gonna read this comment anyway, so yeah

[@jaygyrobro6104]

I got into this in two ways technically: In reality I got dunked on medically with no end and never able to afford anything and had to sacrifice and education just to handle that, and ended up as akin to a crazy Marx reader. I also tend to over write and not care, so more so a problem in advocacy when nobody reading all of that lol. Online I got more into this and the scientific side by actively seeing people using bunk crap about humanity despite not even knowing how the brain works, and since I naturally leaned towards everything to do with robotics and closely based AI, with some knowledge of societal growth during human development I just automatically translated everyone as wrong. As for content regularly, seeing the funny Suris boi, and my chaotic rear-end decided it wasn't good enough. Then I saw Lenin boi Hakim talking about the Soviet Union that one time, then some random stuff by Yu, then it was Second thought. Probably not the order that is intended based on what they do. I personally like the Idea of making commu-tactical doll ripoff bots now, like that one New Zealander I know that made up the Sylvie stepper motor bot so that is a improvement. Basically some rando-girl made a robot beating stability of Atlas with crappy stepper motors, and me and some polish guys want to make it out of artificial muscles while archiving AI and new technologies unrelated to robotics and that on a server somewhere with random irate ramblings. Interesting to see how every politiical spectrum has their own ideas on automation as well as theoretics on actual AI use. But usually you get the random hollywoodian that sounds like a trot that screams off random crap based on self projections and miscomprehension of humanity. [I.E Human have big adversarial complex. Oh no robot with AGI somehow malfunctions and without breaking brain develops target parameters and hates human.] Others generally seem to be unironically pessimistic and despises themselves yet try getting into politics, economics, and this stuff. [Another argument is the freedom of creation/expression subtype, like how they scream off about you can't do this or not if you have the big gooberroober, but yet it was the wannabe-communist state that brought us the concept of LGBT battle maid gun-hulking masterminds. Here in the states the mere idea of a girl with abs has gone from cool and everywhere to being anti-man and should be removed from the screens, while also screaming about freedom of expression is a protected and universal aspect like that never happened. Dumb false-moral highgrounds and other cognitive dissonance usually in the decisionmaking process. >_>] I also have repeatedly come across random imageboards where old people dunk on Fascists for fun randomly, but usually I see some closet guy that believes the world should be socialist policy ruled, and leaning more and more towards socialism at least, but they are so brainwashed by hot garbage and thinks calling themselves a ML is apparently a giga-evil that has irrepariable sins. That reminds me of that old propaganda flick called don't be a sucker, based on dunking on fascist takes and they display how making up new terms, bridge-building, and the emotional argument gets people to do wild crap. Yet other people respond better to both a sentient and scientific response properly given when not some dry academic borefest. Yet I disagree a bit with the politics in real life happening thing, that weird stage play we call somehow relevant. With all the digitally superimposed and altered nonsense, the internet seemingly gets used to infiltrate and economically alter elections of other states and all. I'd argue they are both equal in terms of the priority based on what people can do. I.E in states with barely any movements at all or inability to travel or ruralist living, and thus communicating to millions over the net is the only valid means of spreading for them lol. Technically the stereotype as well as the other types of introverts, or those in bad working conditions with no time for organization without losing the means of sleeping.

[@tankpiggy]

1:54 4:24 6:48

[@joeyschmidt9493]

Engaging for the algorithm

[@nowhereman6019]

I remember having a week long flirtation with American Ethno-Nationalism in highschool because I watched some fucking Sargon of Akkad. Plus I was on 4chan regularly for most of late highschool and early college and somehow came out of that not a misogynistic Incel Nazi. So so glad that I didn't go down that path.

[@EchtInnviertler1996]

Check out the Karl Marx Anime!

[@yoavpekelman7000]

It is surprisingly good

[@nerdbutgangsta1816]

19:15 Instead of the Shrek movies you guys should watch The Pursuit Of Happiness

[@Ajente02]

Or anything done by Mel Gibson (specially "The Patriot").

[@pashico7082]

Bruh trotskyists don't even trotsky, anyway. The whole anti-Stalin thing Trotsky had was just personal and isn't actually ideological but those "trotskyists" can only talk about Stalin and never the actual policies of Trotsky (internationalism, focus on workplace democracy, etc). I have to research the emergence of trotskyism after his death, but I get the feeling it became a thing because some "trotskyist" wanted a following and used far-right tactics of dumping on certain people. I'm not a Trotskyist nor a Stalinist, but I'm really sad that a personal feud caused a massive misunderstanding on both sides, seriously splitting the left even further. One side sees the other as something bad (anti-revolutionary social-fascist Trotsky, and anti-revolutionary evil Stalin). It all makes me mad, and makes me sad that I can't fit anywhere either.

[@somechannel2461]

It is poor thing that English language dsnt have word ‘narod/ народ rus.’ When someone use ‘people’s’ instead I feel so dumb couse it is like humans/человеки/люди, but not narod/народ (it meaning close to ethnicity/nation/clan + and masses , like russian narod - russian peoples)

[@jamiemcintosh3030]

Could you link all the beneficial personalities you mentioned included the Russian Marxist economist who is curating a current affairs channel from a Marxist perspective...Oleg somebody?

[@YaBoiHakim]

Oleg Komolov for the Russian Marxist economist. Paul Cockshott for the Scottish Marxist economist/computer scientist. The Chinese Marxism series is available under the name "The Sinicization of Marxism" on YT, it's a playlist with 117 videos or so.

[@jamiemcintosh3030]

@@YaBoiHakim Thank you, Comrade Hakim.

[@BiomechanicalBrick]

34:50 could use a little more self-awareness

[@TennesseeJed]

🐐 I am livestock and the carrot on a string is made of plastic!

[@redox4088]

Yeah that's all fine and all but we all in in reality socialism doesn’t work. Just look at Vuvuzela

[@Ajente02]

Ha! You wrote that in an iPhone. Checkmate, LIBERAL! 😎

[@fun_ghoul]

iPhone 100 million dead bottom text

[@toppler8164]

I've got one wurd for ye socialists, Stalin.

[@BeyondFunction1]

Stop being so mean to Yugoonik, you tankies!

[@raulgarcia8627]

Debate me bro!!

[@Literally-hw6jv]

wow

[@ScoffMathews]

Lmao destiny mentioned

[@joshuaparsons887]

Bruh