The Depths (And Related Concepts): Deltarune Theory Basics 3

Despite every obstacle in my way, this video is finished! Shorter than my last, but I feel like I cover a lot of important things in this one, and ait ended up being a lot of fun to put together and connect the ideas to one another. Easily has the best flow between subjects of the DTB videos so far :D
As per usual, my sona is drawn by the lovely @easternCriminal while the rest of the art is drawn by me!
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[@BrixVGM]

To speculate a bit; Kris and Susie's "Fall" into the dark world could be a result of the Dark World's space distortion; Obviously, some level of distortion is happening for the dark worlds, as a small room is turned into a sprawling kingdom. Maybe they're "Shrinking" and so are 'falling' down to where the new floor is?

[@browniefox7218]

Oh absolutely. I probably should’ve mentioned that haha. Tbh I’m tempted to do a whole ‘depths’ video bc I find the concept so interesting, and I think discussing the pros and cons to various idea would be neat :D

[@STEAKTHESECOND]

I haven’t watched the video yet or idk if anyone said this but what if the depths are when a fountain is opened inside of another one. Essentially making you “shrink” again so much you get sent to the depths (Y’know cause usually the word depths means going downwards)

[@REALKN1FE]

If theyre shrinking down to the dark worlds floor then maybe thats why spamton talks about getting “big” and being able to see into the light

[@DogsRNice]

The depths is actually an inverted version of the overworld, where bodies of water are walls and mountains are depressions and Wait wrong game

[@browniefox7218]

When I learned that in TotK it blew my mind

[@Videospiel-Man5730]

Btw i drew link on the way to a journey through the underground with striped tunic, deltarune shield and no sword I imagine he restarts after ruins because he realizes the monsters are comparable to gorons, koroks etc.

[@Chowder_T]

12:13 "That being said, however..." For a second, I thought you were gonna hit us with an insane thoery about how Pokémon and Deltarune are connected lol

[@browniefox7218]

In the best timeline of this video it would lol

[@TheGlenn8]

Brownie is the kind of teacher I wanted back when I was in highschool.

[@BrixVGM]

5:36 hehe that's me

[@modestzachman758]

Not a theory, but your concept of the depths gave me an idea. What if you got to visit the depths in Deltarune, and there was an entire field of statues of darkners you've never seen before. All of them orphaned from their respective dark world a long time ago. You can also make an interesting conflict by having some of the statues suddenly come to life, and now you have to deal with new wacky antagonists that act as though they're playing out a script as if nothing is wrong, even though their original purpose has long since been forgotten.

[@funnyclown12345]

this reminds me of a "comic" where G just made a bunch of vessel statues out of boredom.

[@PlayerCarter.]

Skies Forever Blue helps push the concept of an NPC having a one sided relationship with the player in Toby's works. This is seen with Asriel in Undertale, Ralsei in Deltarune, and the girl NPC in Skies Forever Blue. Given the frequent use of the concept, perhaps this will play a big role in Deltarune's later chapters.

[@GodChaos333]

This is very well put together. The depths is such a interesting topic and very mysterious still. Your videos are so comfy and fun, and cannot wait for the insanity of the spamton sweepstakes. And the of course incredible, no silly jokes at all. Wink wink. Lore from of the Spamton value network. Exclusive interview with Tony Fox! Give it up for Tony. And of course. Our Boi’s in blue. Pipis.

[@MeloniestNeon]

The Depths is something I've been on the fence about for a while now. On the one hand, its named directly in the code and by Jevil, but on the other, we haven't seen any proof or hints towards it beyond those basic mentions. It could come into play anywhere, Onion San, the Egg Man, the Castle Town dark fountain, and it's really exciting to think about how all these hidden-in-the-code hints and lore bits could come together. Great video as usual, glad I could help with the script details, even if it wasn't as much this time around!

[@connorschultz380]

I'd argue the fact that dark fountains kind of look like geyser helps support it, the deoths is connected with darkness as a sorta substance, like liquid, help support this idea, Especially sense we haven't yet seen where the darkness in the dark fountains "comes from"

[@DemureFindings]

"Angel's Heaven" - The viewers perspective Light World - Latent Potential Dark World - Reflection of Potential/Creation/Truth of Light World "The Depths" - Toby/The Creators Perspective. If all of connections to "The Depths" are severed then we will no longer have the ability to access the world of Deltarune; If the "Angel's Heaven" is banished, then our connection to Toby is severed. Our perspective being removed is how the story will end; which, duh, but Deltarune/Undertale is all about playing with diagetics so !! It's profound from this perspective.

[@boxbing]

Something that’s interesting that could be related to the depths is the location of the secret bosses fight In Ch1, Jevil is found in the basement and after the fight with Jevil the circus tent disappears In Ch2, Spamton Neo is fought in the basement and after the fight the hallway that leads to the right with train tracks disappears It’s curious that both are located at the bottom of the dark world, and that both areas disappear when the fight is completed. You could say that the areas you fight them in are tied to the character, it could be read that the areas are also “out of bounds” as the entrance to Jevil’s tent extends further than the walkway and the train tracks and hallway completely disappear after Spamton Neo. Not sure how to conclude this but it’s certainly interesting that the arena, and not the now empty basement, gets removed

[@DatLazyBoi]

EVERYONE,class is now in session under the wonderful Brownie ''Cinnamon Roll' Fox! Sit down,eat your breffmints and pay attetion!

[@tearsofthekingdom9062]

Well as we see at the end of chapter 2 the (probably) new dark world, is opened by Kris in his house and I don’t see any double doors

[@TheSkyGuy77]

And according to Toby, ch3 isn't supposed to be super serious or lore heavy

[@Izanagi-FLOW]

A concept you briefly touched on that I’d love to see a video on: there’s a light world. Then there’s a dark world. Then the depths, or perhaps a “darker world.” What might a “lighter world” be?

[@Izanagi-FLOW]

I have my own ideas, but I’m curious if you come to the same conclusion I do.

[@leontriestoart]

The angels heaven, maybe?

[@leontriestoart]

But then why does closing a dark fountains "banish it".. hm.

[@fyrfytin-27]

Maybe the "lighter" world is our reality, as it seems that the darkness seems to be an analogy for fiction/fantasy, and dark, darker yet darker are layers of fiction and escapism

[@LiMe251]

​@@leontriestoartIt doesn't technically say that.

[@GBud-mm6do]

We should get a partially off screen paper for skies forever blue taped to the wall.

[@berfae]

You should add queen to the cork board because queen is cool

[@justyana5488]

WOAH NO WAY! DIAGRAM DEPLOYMENT?!?!? Now this.. This is epic.

[@jfb-]

yana cameo

[@justyana5488]

@@jfb- jfb cameo

[@coraline2770]

Why does youtube refuse to show me ur videos im glad i saw this

[@CalamitasCalliope]

The art of your sona tugging on her ears is so cute

[@catticus6637]

i am very deep into deltarune theory crafting but did not understand a whole lot about the depths theories,,, so thank you for this

[@fossilartstudios5878]

Spamton should have a line linking him to Noelle since in the sweepstakes it’s mentioned how he liked her and they had history. Noelle even was the one who made spamton a pipis in a pet farming game

[@WilliamsThinkTank]

I loved this video great job, for the assignment I would like you to touch on the connections between Kris and demons (which kinda connects him to Gaster with the whole 666 thing)

[@greyscaleadaven]

Always love to see these come out! Learned a lot about the depths that I may have overlooked previously. This is a nitpick, but IMO Ralsei is connected to Spamton in a way that could be reflected on the cork board. This is evidenced by both the PuppetScarf and Dealmaker being tailor made for Ralsei, in a similar way that Susie and Jevil are connected through the DevilsKnife. Kris is important when it comes to Spamton, but I would say that his writing is likely most connected to Ralsei’s plight. Mechanically, there is one character focused on with both secret bosses. To me, Kris has a lot to do with feeling connected with spamton and their journey to awakening him tells that story. But in a similar way to how we don’t know exactly why Susie and Jevil are paired mechanically, it’s the same with Ralsei and Spamton. Something to mention is Ralsei’s immediate covering up of a greater meaning behind Spamton’s actions. He is quick to point these connections out when it comes to the prophecy, but not when Spamton says some very telling things about the nature of these dark worlds? He’s clearly ignoring some inconvenient information, though I don’t believe his intent is malicious. It’s possible Ralsei is being controlled by whatever entity gave him his prophecy and role in the story. That’s just conjecture though. Thanks for reading this far if you did, and looking forward to future content!

[@masonst.2423]

I think the dealmaker would fit kris more than Ralsei, because as Ralsei says "2 pairs of glasses???" but then again, both of Jevil's items fit Susie, so... maybe both Kris and Ralsei can relate to Spamton?

[@greyscaleadaven]

@@masonst.2423 Oh I see what you're saying! I meant mechanically, Ralsei is the one who benefits the most from the item. Kris doesn't use the magic stat, and the Dealmaker primarily boosts magic and defense, both stats that Ralsei needs. Susie also benefits from the Dealmaker like Ralsei benefits from Jevilstail. But yeah as you said, a tail makes more sense for Susie like a pair of glasses does for Ralsei. Personal prediction: 3 weird routes will give Kris their optimal loadout for endgame starting with the TwistedSword (Presuming you abandon the weird route and keep the ThornRing in your inventory for later). There could also be 6 shadow crystal holders to give Ralsei and Susie their optimal items (So far my bets are on Devilknife and Dealmaker for the more optimal choices so far). I think this might play into the themes of Deltarune, being a game less focused on pacifism and more on maintaining a balance between light and dark. So to succeed, you'll need to tap into both sides. That's just a silly guess though.

[@tomaszpawlik5091]

depths described just as hell is, and gaster is heavily associated with devil... what does that mean? no idea and wont have any until the game gets finished, so a solid decade or two.

[@leontriestoart]

Cant wait to graduate from deltarune lore school

[@nautil_us]

Your drawings are so cute! Not sure how serious the corkboard is meant to be, but it'd be cute to add sticky notes to the bottoms with all the previous theory basic topics! And it's be a good way to reuse the amazing topic introduction drawings!

[@cornellbannister4012]

The oblivion theory

[@Char1ieYT]

HOMEWORK: I think you should teach about MIKE and how they're connected to CH 3 and Spamton SUGGESTION: you should probably make the board a bit bigger or the strings and points a but smaller, also maybe color code the strings so they are easier to see what they are connected to once more are added!

[@mildewpyre]

I'd love to see a video on how deltarune refers to 'Kris' and 'You'! Thank you for the lovely video!

[@Izanagi-FLOW]

Flow. The demon who appears when you post a video

[@mistycomet9760]

I love your deltarune theory basics videos. Theyre both fun and informative. Perfect to watch over lunch. Scratches that itch in my brain.

[@sneeze_organ]

this is such an awesome idea! even as someone who feels like they have a clear understanding of most theories, this is such a good resource! everything is so clear and concise! keep it up!

[@Yuti640]

The Titans should certainly be on the board, as a representation of The Roaring, it’s pretty clearly a Chekhov’s Gun plot point, and 99% of deltarune prediction theories involve The Roaring Additionally, you could put the Eye found in The Cliffs and on The Titans, since it is a really interesting reappearing symbol Also it’s odd that Noelle isn’t connected to the Egg considering her involvement with the “SPECIAL” egg in Spamton Sweepstakes

[@browniefox7218]

That will be added when I get to the spamton sweepstakes!

[@CyborusYT]

I've realized a presumption I'm making, that others might not be. I believe the dark fountain that you find in the dark world, is the hole in the ground created by the knife used to form the dark world. The fountain is the depths roaring into the light world, giving the dark world substance. Entering the Dark Fountain takes you to the depths.. This is the experiment that Gaster falls into and talks about in Entry Seventeen

[@Lysvsyl]

I would have never seen this as part of the basics but it is enjoyable nonetheless.

[@hecdudeh2o969]

I think the Skies Forever Blue video could have actual ties to deltarune in a literal sense. I think the community’s hesitation is warranted, but the ribbons and her falling into darkness and her appearing at the bottom of the newsletter point to their being something intentional there. If I have brain rot and I’m wrong though, it’s still a great song and music video. And awesome video this series is super great! I really love that there’s a series like this now, that compiles the fundamentals of deltarune theory crafting more broadly. Can’t wait to see the last few episodes.

[@Mr._inconsistent]

May we add some sand undertale to the board

[@baconmoop]

I’d love to see your summaries of some of the big predictions, stuff like chess theory or the time loop theory. I love deep analysis videos, but the way you summarise stuff is so good that I’d love to see your take on them

[@gaming_bigfoot]

I'm glad I found your channel

[@3DFella]

In your depths section, you forgot to mention that the background effect in the GonerMaker is labeled as IMAGE_DEPTHS which basically confirms the depths exist and are significant in some way.

[@rancidavocado2166]

Gaster is infecting pokemon scarlet and violet that's why it's so glitchy and he hasn't been able to get out hence why we haven't gotten any new chapters.

[@KynG5]

Here's my homework, a little piece of trivia that I think is pretty important but nobody seems to really pay attention to. _The concept of there being _*_multiple millions of copies of Deltarune._* Everyone's favorite, totally in no way malicious, and utmost trustworthy MysteryMan was said to have been "shattered across time and space". The LEGEND is told within every single copy of Deltarune, relevant to Gaster thanks to _him.png_ revealing rather cut and dry that he is the one who wrote it (as well as Ralsei telling you that it is a legend "foretold by _time and space")._ Gaster walks you through the Vessel Creation process. But he doesn't just walk you through it. He's walked *everyone* through it. Because he could potentially be in *every* copy... *with just one of us to each.*

[@jaimereo]

maybe you could add an image about shadow crystals as it is connected to secret bosses and gaster, along with music notes for the freedom/gaster motif.

[@wolfkitty42]

I would love a lecture on chapter 3.

[@archieharrodine3925]

Awesome video!! Really been loving your deltarune deep dives! You lay out information is such a clear and concise way, and the art is too cute! I would really love a video which covers everything about Deltarune’s theme of “Your choices don’t matter”; all bits of evidence supporting it, going against it, and what it may be leading to!

[@TheGlenn8]

While I'm personally really not a fan of them. I guess it would make sense if you did an episode/theory lesson on Deltarune Undertale connections. Important here is: 1. What's up with Papyrus in Deltarune? 2. Alternate universe stuff with Sans and his space time machine thingy in Undertale. 3. Spamton Neo is based on Mettaton, this could serve as a trend for more characters. 4. The importance of Asriel. 5. The Dreemurrs in general. We know a lot about Asgore and Toriel from Undertale, and they seem to be plot important in Deltarune. What can we learn from this? 6. A general "what can we learn from their Undertale counter parts". Section. And keep in mind. I'm saying this as someone who really isn't a fan of needlessly connecting Undertale and Deltarune to the point where I am a proponent of theories that involve Deltarune being fundamentally different at metaphysical levels. But I just can't deny how important these connections are to theorizing. Edit: Looking back I realized you already covered some of these. My bad. But maybe some of these points can be an inspiration.

[@Han-yb7qo]

I’ve seen your confidence grow as your videos go along! it’s nice to watch you grow as a channel 👏🏽

[@duccthatwaddles]

Love your avatar art, super adorable. I think you've gotten better at your delivery too, since your earlier videos.

[@browniefox7218]

Thanks! I feel like I’ve improved a lot, but defo still have a lot to improve on :3 and I’m so glad people like my little sona :)

[@nvezak]

This is like rewatching deltarune lol

[@masonst.2423]

Anyone else notice Starlo behind Brownie? UT Yellow fan confirmed??? (It's a good fangame, the love is deserved)

[@nvezak]

I aint a time traveler but if i was i would still watch it

[@TheCookiePup]

What about the shadow crystals and fusing items?

[@endervalentine9588]

Guys I think the true ending of deltarune is secretly hinted to in rock opera musical “the baby is you” (Also based BLG enjoyer)

[@LiMe251]

Can you add Papyrus with a sword and Kris with a knife to the corkboard.

[@qawsqawslol3997]

I just want to get this off my chest but deltearune was based on a feaver dream and the deltearune salt route was a feaver dream so someone had a feaver dream about someone's feaver dream.

[@coreDesignix]

people love tying skies forever blue into deltarune, but it's hardly tobyfox's only musical collaboration with itoki hana. if we cant justify dragging in the greatest living show i dont think sfb is involved lol

[@browniefox7218]

Well in greatest living show we see Mr. Fox continuing to explore the theme of a character being controlled by another force and that damaging them, as well as a theme of longing to be something that they aren’t :) I do hope it comes across tho in the video that I don’t think SFB is related to deltarune, just that taking inspiration from it for theories wasn’t bad

[@coreDesignix]

@@browniefox7218 oh absolutely. I just think sfb gets that treatment so much because it’s “cuter looking” despite the actual content being about as conceptually horrifying

[@ofconsciousness]

My request? As much Sans as possible.

[@sydneys27]

awesome video brownie :) i love this series and all your dr videos! i always get so excited when i see you came out with something new hehe

[@PlayerCarter.]

It would be cool if you put a projector screen when you have a video on the board

[@florianricquart4114]

Regarding using other stuff that Toby has worked on, I think I have a strange connection to whatever Toby worked on before Undertale. I'm gonna try to limit the context, because it's freaking Homestuck. The three characters I'm gonna talk about are member of an alien species called "Trolls". Some members of trollking have magical abilities, and two of the three have one. The three characters are Vriska (who is able to mind-control trolls, and to an extent, their abilities), Tavros (who also has mind-control, however it only works on animals), and Terezi (who has no abilities). Unlike humanity, where kids are raised by parents, trolls are raised by animals. Terezi has a special connection to hers, a un-hatched dragon egg, that has the ability to send her suggestions. Finally, the trolls's planet is really close to their sun, making being outside during the day dangerous. With all that context, one specific scene seems to be, in some way, similar to the Snowgrave Route (more accurately would be the Berdly fight). In Homestuck, Vriska, due to wanting revenge on Terezi, decides to mind-control Tavros, forcing him to use his animal mind-control on the dragon-parent of Terezi, to send Terezi a suggestion to go outside and look at the sun. And as Terezi was sleeping, she acted on that suggestion, ending with her being permanently blind. In summary, a character (Vriska) uses another character (Tavros) to permanently damage someone else (Terezi). Meanwhile, in Snowgrave, a character (Kris/the Player) uses another character (Noelle) to permanently damage someone else (Berdly). There are differences. In Homestuck, the goal was to get revenge on Terezi. In Deltarune, while the goal isn't really made clear, it could be argued that it is to have someone else under control, and Berdly was just there at the wrong place, at the wrong time. Another difference I can think of is that you could argue there's one more layer if the Player is the one doing it (HS : Vriska->Tavros->Terezi. DR : Player->Kris->Noelle->Berdly), though there is Noelle's line that the voice is unlike Kris's.

[@bigflatfish4490]

If we are going all out into these theories i suggest you may want to add friend inside me and cabbage theory to the corkboard. Cabbage theory mostly because i keep seeing people talking about it and i have no clue what it is

[@connorschultz380]

There actually both kinds joke theorys Friend inside me is literally woddy form toy story will be the chapter 3 secret boss Cabbage theory...is just as nonesensecal, it's essentially a theory parodying silly out there chapter 3 secret bosses theorys

[@LiMe251]

​@@connorschultz380Woody theory honestly makes sense.

[@bigflatfish4490]

@@connorschultz380 i believe in Friend Inside Me more than my firstborn child

[@ladysegagenesis]

I've comment this before (but I think I made the comment way too long) But I think the Patients Soul might be important because of how weird it is. And because of it's weird connection to the "Determination" Soul. (I also think the boy & the girl in the music video fit Patients & Bravery more than Dess & Asriel, but that could just be me)

[@Youli_Nikki]

We need friend inside me on the board

[@AllExistenceItself]

My theory that I stole from Mat Pat is that the real world/real life is heaven, and we, the players and developers, are the angels/gods.

[@The_Dragon_Tiamat]

Shouldn't Noelle have a red string to the egg? She Got an egg in a game she got that she can't remember the name of and it left home due to happiness. She also described it as just making a weird sound just like the eggs do in our inventory when we interact with them. A lot of people confuse this for being a pipis but it shouldn't make sense for her to forget the name of it, and to describe it in the exact same way the eggs we get from the "Man" act.

[@browniefox7218]

Yes! I’ll be adding the spamton-sweepstakes strings when I cover it :)

[@user-gx9cu2cz9d]

Something kinda weird: Hells roar bubbles from the depths. Depths already talked about. Hell. Commonly used as the home of Satan. Satans commonly associated with 666 And, hm.. I wonder who else is! Maybe, Gaster? Stats are all 666? Weird, right?

[@vevesumi]

susie should be added to the board only because kris and ralsei are on there and they need their friend :3 also susie raised by human community theory-

[@In.New.York.I.Milly.Rock.]

Get my guy Heats Flamesman on the board!

[@nvezak]

Shouldnt noelle be connected to spamton? (in 0:50 while watching the video) edit: Shouldnt kris and dess should be connected too?

[@LowanAndGowansAdventures]

we need more Roulxs

[@Oceane1803]

I mean it's not the case, but if Toby had an impact on Scarlet and Violet, something small, like a line of dialogue from an NPC, and made it a hint towards something in Deltarune (not specifically something extremely important because hiding a huge lore reveal in that line would be weird), that would be so cool, wouldn't it ?

[@browniefox7218]

That would be awesome

[@Oceane1803]

@@browniefox7218 Agreed.

[@betty3698]

hey is it alright if I draw fanart of your character?

[@browniefox7218]

Of course! Make sure to tag me when you post, I’d love to see it :)

[@user-mg7mp3qu3b]

I WISH I HAD U AS A TEACHER:3

[@Fannintendociccio1]

Slowed down 50%? I heard a lot of people say it's slowed down by 666%? Or smth like that?

[@jfb-]

it's slowed down to 15%. which means to get it back to play it the original speed, you play it at 666% speed; since 6.66 * 0.15 = 0.999

[@Fannintendociccio1]

@@jfb- oh I see!

[@cwolf0915]

Brownie, shouldn't there be a red string connecting Noelle n spamtom? Because of there interaction with the egg he gave her

[@browniefox7218]

Yes! I’ll probably add that one tho once I get to the spamton sweepstakes video tho

[@cwolf0915]

@@browniefox7218 awesome glad I was able to help

[@----3D----]

if iv got this right, then there most be something wrong with the system, but could there perhaps be som connection to "Alexander Vinter" and toby foxe's games?

[@maxialbornoz7613]

my theory was a Failure but is the good thing about teoRies It alwayS IS a fun Knowleage THE emotion aNd no Intends To to .... what i was saying? Oh rigth good video❤

[@hesfallen]

how dess and spamtong are related

[@leontriestoart]

12:17 i think thats a good point. Toby fox likes to reuse ideas or even leitmotifs in other content he creates if they're interesting enough, and the idea of "a character losing their grip on reality from saving too much" is an idea that is also expressed once or twice in undertale (at least, i think thats what asriel is reffereing to when he says that your grip on the world disseapears the more you save). So i dont think its that far fetched to use his other content for ideas for theories

[@minestar2247]

The depths are fully fannon, with no canon backing, change my mind

[@jasperdroke3609]

It's still not out. 0:19

[@thesmilyguyguy9799]

:» D

[@abcdisstuff]

deepwoken

[@MHHQreal]

we getting training exp from darkeners with this one 🗣🗣

[@stevenclouds]

1) I'm guessing that Deltarune Gaster has been living within the Bunker (or has a way to always get in/out without the main entrance) and is his main hub and where he has the device that has been allowing us to control Kris. Maybe he os trying to help Undertale Gaster, but still 100% its going to be a location we are going to be in a future chapter. 2) If this whole narrative is driving to a Heaven vs Hell scenario, which explains why we are "Recruiting" Darkners from other Dark Worlds. Where we are preparing to wage a war against HEAVEN (I.e Angel's Heaven) a fight against The Angel which was foretold in the Prophecy in the beginning of the game. Whether that is a good or bad thing is up in the air as of now. 🤔

[@gerfaildthegirthy5898]

Not a theory but i can't wait to see how far Toby takes the idea of the Player/=Kris, and what later ramifications that will have on the story in coming chapters.

[@sinistered5216]

7th

[@anbon4985]

I dont think that the depths is a real thing

[@Randomleaf850]