The difference between Café, Tracker, Scrambler, Brat, & rat bikes (Motovlog)

[@Drunken_Hamster]

Okay, so the way I see it is that Cafe Racers, Scramblers, and Trackers all start with a 'normal' bike. A Scrambler gets lifted/bigger/upgraded/offroad suspension and dirt or mostly dirt tires along with high pipes. A Tracker gets either street or mostly street tires and slightly lower, stiffer, etc. suspension. All in comparison/progression from a Scrambler. Cafe Racers get upgraded street suspension, clip-ons, better tires, more power, etc. Choppers are raked out cruisers. Usually full custom and made for looks rather than performance. At the very least, this is true in the sense of handling due to having raked out front ends. A Bobber is basically a cruiser that's lightened up, powered as much as reasonable, and in some cases made to handle okay. Built for dragging. A Rat bike is usually a Bobber that looks like shit. Or it's a 'rat rod' but in motorcycle form instead of car form. A Brat bike is someone who's taken their cruiser to the halfway point between stock and bobber form, and may or may not give a shit as to how bad it looks and may or may not have cobbled it together like a 'rat rod' bike. And finally, a Roadster is like Harley Davidson's new "Roadster". It's my favorite cruiser/bobber/chopper design. Also, just a note on what would end up happening in my case.... If I ever went for 'clip-ons' or a type of build that focused on clip-ons, it would most likely turn into a Roadster. I feel that if you're going for something like a Cafe Racer, then you might as well either change to a Tracker/Scrambler for practicality, usability, and fun, or just go straight up with a modern supersport. Or, like what would happen to me, make a 'Roadster' since clip-ons [at least high ones] make sense and look good on that. But aside from that, I think I'd go with a Tracker build that has high pipes for safety and looks. Good street performance, high ground clearance for curb hopping, stairs, urban jumps, good speed and power [better than supermoto/dual sport] and a higher agility than a sport, supersport, cafe racer, etc. All this while maintaining comfort with the seating position and just better overall practicality than the other designs. Second choice would be a Scrambler, though that might become the first choice if I lived rural or small town. Third choice just for comfort, style, and relative mellow attitude comparatively would be a Roadster.

[@memesmojo5622]

Thank you, ive come to find my favorite is roadster too

[@tylerstone1727]

Some history you missed on the Scrambler style - the reason for the nobby tires and high pipes was because these were basically the original motocross bike. A "scramble" was an off-road race, similar to a rally stage, held over varying terrain. Bikes would cross streams, climb rocks, weave through woods etc, often on narrow footpaths. You needed a rugged bike for that, but it was also a race - hence the light, faster design cues.

[@submoto]

Oh cool. Thanks. If you can find some links that go in depth on the history, traditions, etc... I would love to make a specific video on the subject :-)

[@TheGriphon]

Thanks Tyler for these Informations. If I look at all these World War II Bikes, these are all Scramblers, aren't they? Specialy the BMW R75

[@tylerstone1727]

Hey Submoto - here's some good coverage of how "scrambles" fit into early motocross: www.motorcyclemuseum.org/asp/museum/exhibits/mx/history.asp And Griphonne - I'm not an expert, but I guess you could say that in a way, the wartime bikes have always been a sort of scrambler. Not because they were modified with the aim of winning races, but more because they had to overcome the same operational parameters, like fording streams and climbing over rocky ground.

[@eddiehawkins7049]

Scrambling was the original name of the sport. It developed as race based on trials riding. My understanding is that it spread to the rest of the world and became known as Motocross in countries outside of the UK, and then the name eventually replaced scrambling as the name of the sport here too. When I used to go to scrambling meets as a youngster, I had never heard of motocross. Not having been around bikes for some time, I've been really confused about what I would regard as trail bikes, being described as scramblers.

[@CZ350tuner]

Rat Bikes originally came about because of the illegal street racing scene and had two purposes: (1) To hustle some loudmouth into racing against it (sometimes for money) and (2) to add humiliation to whoever was beaten. The original rat bikes always had the negelected, unwashed and bodged appearance but all the money would be spent on the highly tuned motor, making the rat bike a true wolf in sheep's clothing. Let's just say that nothing beats seeing the look on a challenger's face when a rat bike's motor is fired up and they know they're already beaten on hearing the sound of an expensive race tuned (sometimes shop tuned) motor. (Yes I used to street race rat bikes back in the 1980's). Rat bikes can also be mongrels with non-standard or maker engines such as a Yamaha SR / XT 500 / 550 / 600 motor in a CZ 250 roadster frame, TZ 250 / 350 motor in an old Yamaha RD 250, etc. etc. as the concept is to hide the fact that a rat bike goes a heck of a lot faster than it looks..... and to win money in street races. rat bikes are all about spending the money on the essentials like engine, brakes and suspension and not wasting money on fancy paint jobs, fancy parts, etc.

[@VencedorGamer]

The OG Sleeper bikes. 😉

[@57WillysCJ]

The funny thing about the bobber is it was originally just removing all non essential parts, shortening or eliminating fenders for racing in the 1920s to 1930s. Basically a tracker.

[@submoto]

57WillysCJ yeah, that is interesting

[@rafaeldenboogert6853]

Currently building a 50cc Yamaha dt from 1985 into a scrambler/brat style which is super exiting. Your videos are also very clear and I learn a lot from them, you have got yourself a new subscriber!

[@submoto]

sounds like an interesting project :-) thanks for the sub

[@rafaeldenboogert6853]

@@submoto yeah I'm really exited. It is a moped so it's very easy to learn from seeing as it's my first real project. And the finishing product is hopefully gonna be amazing, taking my time so it will look good

[@bobbynate4271]

Man this was bold thanks for doing this video. The one thing about all these styles I enjoy is form fallows fiction. Example Cafe racer/BRAT=road racing Tracker= flat track/board racing Scrambler= dualsport/Enduro All can be rat or plush. All pay homage to particular movements that have earned a place, in history. So I personally prefer to categorize them by their use, in respect to each discipline. But hey when you build it you're entitled to call it what you want. Please keep building these things and share. 👍

[@Athrun000]

To me the biggest difference between them is the handlebar. I know there are other subtle differences, but personally I feel that the handlebar is what set them apart from one another. And also the wheels :)

[@submoto]

A biggie :-) absolutely!

[@rjmaksym7692]

8:20 optical illusion on cop car wheels

[@submoto]

I noticed :-p looks pretty cool

[@guiltygearcore]

I saw it too at first i thought the car was applying break.

[@jazzysaravana]

RJ Maksym That's what happens when the shooting video camera's frame rate and rpm of the car tyres are almost similar in range. If this is a 25-30 fps video, the car should've been in 1500 rpm-1800 rpm, which when converted to rps is 25-30 fps. Cheers!

[@submoto]

Oh cool, I never knew that actually! makes perfect sense :-D

[@destianpatrianagara1119]

@@jazzysaravana strange, pretty sure I've seen that with my eyes/without camera. How would you explain that?

[@v8trauma]

Cafe racer - bike used to race from one transport cafe to the next. Like the old Ace cafe, hence the name. They did what they could to go fast, the sports bikes of their time.

[@haydneasy9736]

and its pronounced CAF! They were called transport Cafs back in 1950s Britain not Café. unfortunately modern parlance has added the E on the end

[@distortiontildeafness]

$4000 budget. Had a cafe racer want something more upright.. Leanings towards an enduro/scrambler /tracker style.. Dont want a project bike again , anyone have suggestions? I like a stripped down old school look.. Nothing chunky.. Also like carrying a passenger every now and then 400cc or bigger any ideas? Nothing too high on seat heights

[@submoto]

check out my sr500 bike on this channel, that bike is pure gold. For that budget, you could get the newer fuel injection sr400, and customize it in the same way. Kedo.de has som pretty neat conversion kits

[@reverberateddreams7958]

Hvilken type ville du forslå til en der aldrig har haft en motorcykel før?

[@submoto]

Malik Krog en street tracker :-) SR250 måske :-)

[@cht5086]

Sweeeeeden 🇸🇪, Hi from Canada🇨🇦, My sister is Swedish; I am Canadian, and today we talked about the differences between a Cafe racer, a brat and a tracker. Hahaha

[@submoto]

Awesome. Well I have gotten some heat for this vid, but I get that times change and that there are many different opinions out there. Hope you have good riding weather in Canada :-)

[@cht5086]

@@submoto 🇨🇦🇸🇪🇩🇰❤️ It is the same as in Europe this year the weather actually, sometimes hot and sunny, sometimes showers. When I talk with my father and when he says there is rain, I know here would be rain soon, or sometimes it is in reverse.

[@cht5086]

@@submoto My parents and my brother and other families live in Kopenhagen. Lol Your videos are fantastic, buddy. Thanks.

[@Tom-jc2fq]

Hi, I really like the look of the new Honda Rebel 500. what would that be categorized as?? Bobber?

[@submoto]

Gregory Peck it's a cruiser. but it could be customized into a number of categories

[@Tom-jc2fq]

Thanks!

[@pasha_houston]

i know you said at the beginning of the video where you are ( you named the beach at least) but what country is it in ? just curious. streets look awesome.. and thanks for the video. i found it because i bought a second bike for a project 1980 cb750k, just doing my research now to figure what i wanna do with it .. interesting part is gonna be when i am done with it and choice will stand in front of me (as i will have to sell one) between my 1993 Suzuki bandit gsf400 (pretty clean and mostly stock) and the cb. What would you personally choose ? thanks.

[@submoto]

It's in the city of Copenhagen in Denmark :-) Well, it really depends on the condition of the cb. bith biles are pretty solid. the bandit is a pretty badass bike too (although the v-frame makes it difficult to retro-customize). it's a newer bike too, which might make it more reliable than the cb. That said, if the cb is in good condition (not burning oil etc.), those things are rock-solid. the cool thing about the cb is that it's the perfect canvas for a REALLY awesome build, and if you do it right, you may just end up with a masterpiece :-) but if the cb has mechanical problems, you may end up in a world of hurt. as smooth as those old inline 4 engines are, just as much of a headache it could be if it doesn't run right. If you chose pods instead of the original air filter, you might be in for a world of 'fun' too, depending on the carbs it has :-p

[@pasha_houston]

Ha cool, i thought that might be Denmark, by the amount of the cyclists on the streets )) Thank you for the in depth answer to my question, really helpful information/ advise . i will keep both get cb running ride and compare and i guess then do the work to whichever i keep. But yeah it looks like CB is certainly has more options as for a build.. Thanks for the video again. I have subscribed!

[@davidraiguitarman6970]

I didn't feel bore at all you've explained very well.. thank you

[@submoto]

Thanks!

[@SoyBoySigh]

I think we need to discuss what I've dubbed the "STARBUCKS RACER"! As distinct from the Vintage Cafe Racers & Classic Superbikes as you can get, despite sharing an engine & gas-tank & center-most regions of the frame thereof......

[@amgill1]

hilarious intro, thats exactly what i was saying going through pictures of modded bikes on google. Very helpful video!

[@submoto]

thanks :-p I'm glad it could help :-)

[@exia00z57]

Hey Would you say a 1979 xs750 is okay for a beginner ?

[@submoto]

For a beginner rider or a beginner mechanic/builder?

[@exia00z57]

+SUBMOTO lets say both since i have to do some wiring on it. Its my 1st bike and all ive read about it is that the xs750 is too big to start on.

[@submoto]

+Uriel Elguera well there's a huge difference between a modern 750cc and an older 750cc. An xs will be much mor forgiving than a sportsbike for example, and only has 65...ish hp. But it is still quite powerful. It's also quite a heavy bike, so that is also a big factor. It's not impossible to start on it, but it might be a challenge at times, especially if you lose your balance. A lighter bike will be easier to 'save' in such a situation. But t won't flip like a sport bike would if you start up wrong. So not impossible, but I would recommend a lighter bike :-) On the mechanical side of things, you will learn the hard way, whether you like it or not. And when something goes wrong, it will most likely be something that you won't be able to pay a mechanic for. There is ALWAYS something wrong with these older bikes, but that is also what we love about them. For that reason it might be better to get something a bit newer, otherwise you risk not riding very much because of mechanical crap

[@nietzsche688]

Great vid man! I can finally see the differences between these bikes. Hey, I kind off realized now that a like Trackers and Brats the most but I can't find a bike that I can relate to the images in your vid so... What would be a nice cheap option to start? BTW It would be great if you'd make a tutorial to start your own bike project.

[@submoto]

Te contesto en nuestra lengua mejor, no? :-) ¿Así que, si te entiendo bien, quieres construir una moto tracker pero con asiento en estilo brat, pero no has encontrado la moto perfecta para el proyecto? Pues te recomiendo una moto sencilla y preferiblemente japonesa (porque las partes son mas baratas). Una moto perfecta sería la Yamaha XS650 o la Yamaha SR500 (ó mejor si te alcanza la SR400). Son motos super simples, y te costaría un esfuerzo mínimo adaptar el asiento etc.. Las hondas CB, las kawasakis y suzuki GS, las recomiendo más para café racers. Lo importante es que el cuadro (chasiss) tenga la forma correcta, ósea plana. Si no lo has visto, te recomiendo ver mi otro video "how to build/design a cafe racer", que aunque explica el diseño de los café racers, hay mucho que también se aplica los trackers. Se me hace buenísima idea hacer un video tutorial en donde lo explico :-) gracias por la sugestión!

[@zenblack11]

What about that V-Max custom made by Liberty Yam???? What does it categorize into???

[@submoto]

nothing really :-p just a really cool custom bike! probably closest to a café racer, but the frame is too modern and the clip ons are a bit high. but the 'vibe' and its butt are quite café-ish. but like I mention, its very much an art, and sometimes they don't need to be categorized :-) the categories are more like a guideline.

[@zenblack11]

Woooooaaaaaah I never really thought about things that way. An art huh, well I guess that makes sense since most custom bikes that are done with a lot of patience and time tend to have this artistic vibe to them. Thanks for the info

[@submoto]

+zenblack11 It has traditionally been a controversial subject to refer to motorcycles as art, until The guggenheim museum in NY (one of the most prominent art museums in the world) held an exhibition called 'The Art of the Motorcycle'. Many people were against the idea, but the guggenheim experienced such a high visit rate, that they couldn't say no. So my answer to people who insist that motorcycles aren't art, is usually "if it's good enough for the guggenheim, it's food enough for me" :-p here is the link: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_the_Motorcycle

[@zenblack11]

Wow! That's amazing!!! Where do you get all this information from??? I'm actually trying to custom build my old Ducati M400 and I'd like more references on bikes like that V-Max from Liberty Yam, or any bike really, as long as it's aerodynamically stable and good looking of course haha

[@Freespiritphil]

I've been recently looking at converting a bike to either a cafe racer or a scrambler. I like the scrambler look a little more, so I will probably end up doing that but they are both awesome. Subbed!!!

[@submoto]

Awesome! Make sure to let me know how it turned out when you're done :-) a tracker is also a good in-between solution. In many cases, the only thing that separates a tracker from a scrambler is the high pipe on a scrambler. I love both looks, but it really depends a lot on the donor-bike and what it lends itself to best :-)

[@Freespiritphil]

Yeah, I like the look of the high pipe a little better. It's still a few years away before I get there, but I will definitely let you know once I do.

[@Roadghost88]

Just finished building a rat tracker out of a Honda. Thing attracts a lot of attention, and it's only a 250 I use for commuting.

[@submoto]

Thats the beauty of these machines :-) I would love to see how it turned out :-)

[@larsenpedersen]

I absolutely love your videos! I was wondering if you had any tips for buying the first MC on a budget? I'm currently getting my MC license and would like to purchase a MC (preferably street tracker / cafe racer / scrambler) both for shorter rides and for visiting family in Nordjylland - But is it possible to find a bike that serves both these purposes?

[@submoto]

***** Thaks :-) Glad you enjoy the vids. If you're on a budget, but are looking for a certain degree of reliability, I would suggest going for simplicity. The more simple a construction, the less you will have to fix when it stops working. I would therefore strongly suggest a Yamaha SR500. There is no synchronizing involved, since it only has one carb, and the valves are extremely easy to get to. SR's are also incredibly adaptable, and make awesome street trackers. Ofcourse, the compromise is speed (although they have a fair amount of torque), but then again, a tracker's role in life isn't speed, it's manoeuvrability. And they are actually not too bad on longer trips either. A compromise would be an XS650. it has two cylinders, instead of one, but has the same basic construction as the SR. They're just a bit difficult to get your hands on. On the other end of the spectrum is a Honda CB. CB's have a bit more complicated a construction (for older bikes), but are quite reliable, and parts are cheap. CB's usually make better Cafe Racers because thet typically have a bit more power and flexibility in engine tuning etc... If it's your first bike, and you are not that mechanically inclined, I would not recommend a project like that though, since you will be guaranteed to run into complicated mechanical problems at one point or another, especially if you change the air filters or exhaust system. For a customising budget, I would recommend starting at around 2000usd (10.000kr).

[@larsenpedersen]

SUBMOTO Hi again, Thanks a lot for the great reply. I've actually been looking into all of the mentioned bikes earlier but I'm somewhat doubting my mechanical capabilities. Right now I'm looking at a Honda CB500 from 1997 - It's a newer bike which probably suits me best due to the fact that it's my first bike and (as you mentioned) I'm no that mechanically inclined. It'll never be a cafe racer, but it'll probably be a fine first bike (at around 20-25.000 kr.).

[@submoto]

The CB500 '97 is undoubtably an awesome bike. The only thing with a cb500 is it's V-frame, that doesn't lend itself to the 'classic' look of a café racer or tracker. But anything is possible, and I've seen some amazing cb500 builds out there. But it's a fine line between a street fighter and a café build. Check out my video on 'how to build (design) a café racer', where I kind of explain that aspect of the design. But when that's all said and done, we can ask ourselves if the guys who built the original café racers back in the 60's would have used a bike like the more modern cb500 had it been available back then? And the answer is without a doubt; YES!, they would have! 'Coz it's a great bike :-)

[@larsenpedersen]

Hah, I've actually watched that video just the other day - so I'm aware of the V-frame and the fact that the CB500 never will become a classic cafe racer, but I think it'll still be a pretty rad bike with adjusted clip ons and some modifications to the seat and back :) Once again thank you for the reply - much appreciated!

[@larsenpedersen]

If you ever come across some amazing CB500 builds using a 1997-ish-model, please let me know! - Most of the builds are using older CB500s :)

[@yaghos8434]

You mean every bike is having just a little difference ....and i just subscribed now from pakistan

[@MidwestMotoRider]

Awesome, someone clearly did their homework. Perfect man! Thumbs up for the police not arresting you.. :)

[@submoto]

Haha, I guess I'm just a lucky bastard :-p

[@MidwestMotoRider]

You forgot "Awesome Lucky Bastard" :)

[@jomainasdf1433]

thank you very much for this video. i been trying to understand the differences between all those and you explain it so well. thank you very much ;'D but i wonder why some people call the scramblers hipster bikes. and does anyone know the purpose of scramblers when they were first made? like i understand about giving it capabilities of on and off road, but then why not dual sport instead?

[@tskwared667]

When you mention clip ons, is that clip on handlebars?

[@submoto]

yes, exactly :-)

[@tskwared667]

awesome, thank you

[@Hansen3111]

What are you doing in Copenhagen

[@submoto]

This video is a bit old. I am currently in Berlin, but I will be back in Scandinavia for a while in the near future :-)

[@coyote102076]

Cool vid. After full dressers/baggers the Tracker and the Scrambler's are my next favorites for street bikes. Never been a bobber, rat, or brat bike fan myself. But unto each their own! If someone else has a love affair for a rat bike, more power to them! :-D It is what makes us riders so diverse and unique! Yet, we all face the SAME dangers, no matter is you are on a 250cc scooter or a 1700cc bagger! We are all as one in the end. :-)

[@submoto]

Exactly, which is why it's important to respect all bikers. There's no 'us and them' in motorcycles. We are all in this together :-)

[@prof.eduardobaracchini8792]

Very nice information for the classic motorcycles styles, thanks!

[@submoto]

Eduardo Falcon thanks for watching :-)

[@Lightemup2005]

Informative, thanks. Lot's of stuff I didn't know.

[@Vuurvogel02]

the bike you are riding, is that a nimbus?

[@submoto]

I wish I had a Nimbus :-) my dad had one of those :-D I'm on a '81 GS 550 Cafe Racer :-)

[@Vuurvogel02]

Also a very nice bike. The nimbus would be a perfect bike to ride with in denmark. By the way great vid. Really showed a good differance between bikes with all a great history

[@submoto]

Thanks :-)

[@revolution51]

Vuurvogel02 I only know that the guy talking at the begining is not funny, yet he really knows his stuff.

[@submoto]

revolutionpm I know, right!?! What a loser! Don't worry, I'll kick his ass if he tries to sneak into a video like that again :-D

[@jekyllandride8878]

Enjoy the video! Thanks for producing good content.

[@submoto]

always a pleasure :-)

[@RockabillyRambler]

Cold open=halarious. Intro=void of cliche shitty dubstep Subbed.

[@BuffMyRadius]

One name I hear down here in the southwest US is "doll trap" for bikes that have been stripped down and the frame powder coated or painted a ridiculous neon color before reassembly. I think they look really cool but no one seems to know the origin of the name. Anyone with insight on this?

[@submoto]

it's a first for me :-) I'm just as curious!

[@wordreet]

What can I say? I guess you're about 80% correct, but a little bit of extra info is missing. I know nothing about the Brat style, I never even heard it before today. A Cafe racer was originally a person, just a guy, usually, with a bike, who hung out at a cafe ( more likely a pub ) with his mates and they would race to a roundabout or junction and back again, or even to another pub, no, wait, I mean cafe. The bikes didn't matter in the earliest days, you would just use what you had. But everyone wants to win, so bikes were stripped of unnecessary parts to save weight, drop bars or clip-ons were fitted along with smaller seats and exhausts and the gearing and suspension altered. Rearset footrests and other race parts were fitted, if you could afford them. The bikes weren't specifically intended to look like race machines, but obviously you would copy a faster type of bike, hoping to go faster yourself. So eventually the bikes were called cafe racers and now we just say it's a Cafe Racer because it looks that way. caferacertv.com/the-history-of-cafe-racers/ A Scrambler, would also have been a person and/or their bike. Motorcycle Scrambles was simply an early name for Moto Cross (MotoX) kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIqaaKWJnatqb7M and one of the gentlemen in that video is probably Adrian Moss ( I don't know his face from that time) who, along with The Rickman Brothers, who's van you can see at 1:49 organized the first Vintage motorcycle scrambles series in '82 for bikes made before 1965. The Rickman Bros were well known competition bike builders and eventually made frames for road and rack bikes So you could have a Rickman Vitesse Mk3 scrambler and a Rickman cafe racer in your garage if you wanted. And I suppose you still can if you have enough money! ;¬) I had a Rickman Top Fairing on my Yamaha RD350LC back around 1981.

[@submoto]

+wordreet correct, here is my video where I mention that :-) kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpe7i2eHeL9kpsk

[@wordreet]

+wordreet LoL! Only now have I read the confusion bloke's comment from earlier! :¬D

[@submoto]

+wordreet btw, the comment I wrote in the thread I just deleted was not meant towards you :-)

[@wordreet]

SUBMOTO I already forgot what it was . . .

[@yd1996]

Hello, I'm from Taiwan. I'm a fan of retro motor, and I wondering about the difference between cafe, tracker and so on. And I found your video which is very helpful, so I wanna translate your video into Chinese on my channel if you don't mind. Because there's really not much explanation about this in Taiwan. If that's Okay please reply me and thank you very much!!

[@submoto]

Sure, no problem at all :-)

[@imunclefilthy]

In the USA, "Hooligan" which is basically a stripped down version of the street legal Road-Racing "Super-bike" of the late 70's through the 80's. To the best of my knowledge Buell with their 1996 S1 was the fist "Bad-Boy" "Hooligan".

[@submoto]

interesting! thanks :-)

[@Real_MisterSir]

What? A moto vlogger in Copenhagen?! You almost rode right past my apartment :D Do you live in Copenhagen (and are you danish with great accent or foreign?)

[@submoto]

Daniel Kemnitz I used to l7ve in Copenhagen :-) og ja, jeg er halv-dansker :-) bor dog i Berlin nu

[@Real_MisterSir]

Cool! Jeg fik mc i sommers, bedste investering nogensinde! Har selv tænkt på at lave vlogs men tror ikke jeg har stemmen til det haha.. Er vild med hele retro-stilen! Har allerede et par designs liggende som forhåbentlig kommer til live en dag ;) Ride safe i Berlin

[@thevelointhevale1132]

There is a LOT of missing information (misinformation) here about Trackers ... Tracking largely started in Australia "The early history of speedway race meetings is a subject of much debate and controversy. There is evidence to show that meetings were held on small dirt tracks in Australia and the United States before World War I. On 13 November 1905 motorcycle racing was held at the (Australia) Newcastle, NSW Rugby Ground, a distance of approximately 440 yards. ... see more info here ---> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_speedway

[@submoto]

Wow! Cool! Yeah, I haven't made videos in a while, but maybe I should make a new one soon, and update some of the info. That might be cool. I'll dig into the references from the link you sent :-) thanks!

[@thevelointhevale1132]

@@submoto Great idea ... we'd love to see it told properly with the History correct!

[@DaxterSnickers]

This man here gave me a dream! Thank you!

[@submoto]

Awesome. Hit me up on facebook if you ever need any help :-)

[@DaxterSnickers]

+SUBMOTO Wow, you're awesome, thanks, i will :DDD

[@juhl-racing1466]

Denmark FTW! Greetings the Yamaha RD rider from Aalborg!

[@submoto]

oh cool :-D

[@juhl-racing1466]

It's so rare you find danish Vloggers!, great channel mate! :)

[@submoto]

thanks :-)

[@CeeEmmz]

so what do we call a Bobber that has the stance of a Cafe Racer? (SEE lots of them lately in IG. claming bobber if clearly it doesnt LOOK like the O.G. Bobbers) a COBBER? haha....

[@submoto]

A Bobbé Racer hehe :-p I'm not the big bobber expert :-)

[@ragzlz8266]

+SUBMOTO a ROBBER :v

[@submoto]

+el_raf_o haha, I like that :-p

[@DronePatrolCB]

bobbers are stock bikes for racing stripped down to nothing but the essentials because of the small cc size for speed. Choppers are bikes that the frame was actually cut and re welded and have more than one kind of bike in it, and are a middle ground of performance and style.

[@submoto]

Cool, thanks for that :-)

[@BillCompo]

Glad to see someone clear this up for the masses. I see Cafe Racer when it's clearly a tracker. Cafe Racer has clubman bars or clip on bars and a bum stop seat. Tracker has a longer 60's-70's style seat with upright motocross style bars styled after old flat track bikes. A brat style the frame must be shortened typically a bobber but now days many are really trackers with shorter frames and seats. A rat bike is is unrestored beater bike rusty greasy leaks oil generally a pile of crap no one wants to be seen on.Scramblers have those pipes that go up one side I call thigh burners but basically a dirt bike that if you change the tires and pipes it becomes a street bike again. I hate those thigh burner pipes I was so glad to see them go out in the early 70's but some tit head had to bring them back. lol

[@submoto]

yup :-) that about sums it up

[@BillCompo]

Oh I forgot the street fighters which I have my own theory how they came to be they're R6 R1 GSXR CBR'S that were wrecked but still rideable but the plastics were trashed and the rider couldn't afford new plastics so they removed all the plastics and someone called it a street fighter no one cared if they dropped it again while stunt riding. Now we have naked bikes with minimal plastics that double as production street fighters.

[@eiserntorsphantomoftheoper2154]

I still have scar from a Honda 305

[@literaryartist1]

dude awesome channel

[@submoto]

thanks :-)

[@aaronperkerson6298]

Thanks this was very helpful

[@submoto]

Aaron Perkerson glad to help :-)

[@jlfoker182]

Where is that beautiful city?

[@submoto]

I filmed this video in Copenhagen, Denmark :-)

[@LIV3backwards]

Good info, thanks, mate.

[@SC8terRiderMotoVlogger]

Thanks for sharing, I like to have or to custom street tracker type 😉 Ride safe KaMotoFriends.

[@guiltygearcore]

I like the banana kind of seats. I'll subscribe and ride!!! XD

[@AlanPolishMotoVlog]

Nice description :)

[@what7287]

so basically they're all cafe racers but with one thing different? well that's stupid.

[@calin7017]

Even worse, they've brought nothing new to the table since they are basically old design and refurbished. Really, designers have run out of ideeas.

[@GenerationAI2024]

you from denmark?

[@submoto]

Coldoikz1 only kinda sorta maybe :-p I explain it here: m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5W4gZaomLuWiNk

[@GenerationAI2024]

thx...

[@FNygaard21]

Riding right past Wrenchmonkees at approx 3:00 ;)

[@gorillaau]

+Submoto I have been curious to get an Australia Postie bike and turn it into a Rat bike. Oh for those that don't know them, they are contract ordered through Honda, usally called a CT110, engine size 105cc, with automatic clutch. Paint it off-black such as charcoal or darkest grey and it could be a good start... maybe. Getting it through road regulations could be a pain though.

[@submoto]

That sounds like a pretty awesome build! :-D

[@swskitso]

I just picked up an 81 honda CM400A the A is for automatic felt like an idiot asking the guy to explain how to use automatic

[@submoto]

+mike dutdut oh wow, never heard of that! interesting!

[@LucianC137]

Looks to me they are all interchangeable.

[@mitchcieslak9476]

Bobbers came after world war 2 in the states. Essentially the men of the armoured reconnaissance batallions rode motorcycles with the 30 Cal machine gun equipped side car. They came home and missed their full dresser Harley's and indian motorcycles. And those bikes were all hardtails. So they kept the hard tails. Shortened the wheelbase lowered the top tube, took off the front fender and chopped the rear fender to modernize and have a more agile and quick motorcycle.

[@submoto]

Awesome! yeah, that makes perfect sense :-)

[@briansteffmagnussen9078]

Small light and angry. I think i'll start with a KN filter and expansion exhaust, then i'll remove the battery and airfilter. Then single seat and either tracker bar or clip on's. I know that it will ride like a bag of potatoes because it is a MZ. But it is more show than go, And old people either love or hate the sound of a two stroke. I'll just need to figure out how i can wire it without the battery.

[@submoto]

I personally love 2-strokes :-)

[@Jonoman777]

thought it would be an informational video, but just another moto blogger rambling. too many of these on KZbin

[@submoto]

Jonathan Burg Yeah... life is hard sometimes huh. don't worry, I'll always be here if you need a shoulder to cry on :-)

[@drdrew3]

There is now so much overlap in the designs of these bikes that narrowly categorizing them is pointless… Build what you like. Ride what you like. Call it whatever you like. Just don’t call it a “brat-tracker”

[@submoto]

True. Times have changed since I made this video

[@modlinfilmz1796]

To make your vids better edit out your “uhhhs” and stutters, makes it smoother

[@submoto]

thank you :-) I appreciate the feedback

[@modlinfilmz1796]

SUBMOTO your vids are awesome don’t get me wrong, I completely respect what you’re doing! Just hopin to help you out

[@submoto]

And you are absolutely right. I have noticed as well, and have tried to minimize it in more recent videos. This was one of my first vids. But I still need to watch out. I tend to do it still, if I don't actively think about it.

[@apodsilvaticus6489]

Cool knowledge bro... but would be really great with some illustration...for people that are looking after this kind of knowledge this video has not helped at all. Keep it up.

[@jasoncadogan3761]

Apod Silvaticus the video thumbnail was a little tease of what we needed in this video. I learned a lot otherwise.

[@pandasoldier9434]

Trackmbler (tracker scrambler) 😈🔥🔥

[@Destiny-zw8hf]

Ok where is he that there is a yellow after red and before green

[@Substereomusic]

hehe, a mystery indeed :-p

[@shavguru]

wordreet said it best

[@Jeremy-yr8yg]

Looking for a project bike now! Can't wait!

[@submoto]

Good luck :-)

[@brasilaventuradetectorismo1607]

SUCESSO sempre parabéns .desejo a você toda a sorte do mundo para você sempre sucesso e muitas conquistas e prosperidades sempre sucesso .Deixando aquele GIGA LIKEEE 🇧🇷👍🏼

[@JakobTheDane]

DAMN, I miss driving along Amager beach :)

[@submoto]

Jakob The Dane yeah, it's a nice stretch, just a bit short :-p it could go on for miles if it were up to me :-)

[@JakobTheDane]

SUBMOTO ye indeed, I hope the weather is good this weekend, so I can take a trip to the beach :)

[@dragonracer76]

I figured "Scramblers" were simply people who used mid pipes like the ones on the co series Honda Scramblers. ...like my 68 cl175.. and triumphs scrambler..

[@submoto]

+dragonracer76 A scrambler is typically a road bike that is converted to be able to handle rougher terrain. To do this, it usually has a tracker handle bar (often with a reinforces cross bar), rougher tires and a raised pipe, so as to avoid getting water in the exhaust system. Check this link out: it explains it quite well :-D www.ellaspede.com/scrambler-brief-history/

[@stevesawatsky]

+SUBMOTO so would you say a scrambler and a supermotard are opposite sides of the same coin?

[@submoto]

+thewolf well wikipedia describes supermotard as "motorcycle racing on a circuit that alternates between three types of track: flat track, motocross and road racing", where as a scrambler has is its roots way back in the 20's where people used them for point-to-point races in terrain. This eventually evolved into closed circuit racing, and ultimately is now what we call 'motocross'. So if one were to make an analogy, I would much rather be inclined to call the scrambler for the granddaddy of supermotard :-) ...but that's just me :-p

[@eddieg849]

I like the part where you said they're going to arrest you for being so awesome. police officers👈

[@TheGriphon]

Nice vid bro.

[@submoto]

Nice thumbnail/profile pic :-)

[@TheGriphon]

Thanks. I always wondered why Scramblers has this high exaust... Now i know thx

[@submoto]

Check out +Tyler Stone 's comment further down in this comment section. He has some cool additional info on scrambler pipes etc. :-)

[@firdausahsin3898]

The flat trac first i think

[@bullsaye7]

intro made me sub :D

[@OGWhinnyBaby29]

4:05 What's the bike? A Yamaha what?

[@submoto]

Chris C. It's a Yamaha XS650 Tracker conversion :-)

[@xhope7902]

The beggening of the video the motorcycle what is it call

[@submoto]

the one in the intro? it's 1981 GS550 Cafe Racer with a Benelli tank and a Motolanna seat

[@LCS353]

Legal seria se tivesse a opção de traduzir na legenda pro português falado no Brasil.

[@submoto]

LCS353 Sinto muito, eu não falo português. Eu só falo Espanhol, Alemão, Inglês e dinamarquês. Seria muito difícil para mim escrever legendas em brasileiro

[@transdetendal]

rat bikes are the bikes that are looking like well used(overly) and tho maintained only very little or to the minimum to still be a drivable viecle! a bit like mine!! bobbers are just a strpped down bike aranged so it fits the owner ,started in the states after ww1 when they didnt have cross or track bikes as 2. bike ,but used their normal wartime everyday bike to score money on it with races! cool vid bro , nice to see the bitch still moves around ! SO what was the deal with it??

[@submoto]

transdetendal Awesome, I didn't know that about bobbers :-) Yeah, I think she's doing better now. She had a severe fuel mixture issue. The plugs were burning unevenly ( and still are a bit actually). IT was so bad, that the plugs would foul completely after just 50km's, so I had to change the plugs. I just recently went back to the old butt-ugly stock air filter, got new coils, new CDI, everything in the carbs is now replaced with new parts and the diaphragms have also been changed. So pretty much EVERYTHING has been replaced. She still burns too lean on the highway, and too rich in town, but it feels ok to ride. My cylinder 3, still fouls too rich though. The compression test showed it was ok, and I also just adjusted the valves. I only need to synchronize the carbs now, so I need to get ahold of a vacuum-meter. I think that may even do something for my cylinder nr. 3

[@transdetendal]

SUBMOTO yup unbalanced carbs are shitty to ride , try to zero what cylinder burns best and turn all screws on turn them equally amount out to get a rough estiment of if its better , there by you can find the problem.

[@askevalbjrncarlsen9545]

hey submoto if your dansih er du dansker for det er cool jeg hvil gerne have en bmv srabler men sydes du er den er god

[@submoto]

aske valbjørn carlsen jeg er fra Danmark :-) ha de er mega sprøde, men koster godt nok en bondegård

[@askevalbjrncarlsen9545]

laver du stadi vidioer du har ikke lagt så meget op jeg gad gere hvis det kunne ske at du kunne købe ned brugt og gammel cafe racer eller scambler og lave den om til dit behov så den kunne se nice ud :)

[@submoto]

har ikke lagt så meget ud siden jeg flyttede til Berlin. jeg er toptilfreds med mit sidste byg, så laver nok ikke så mange flere projekter

[@askevalbjrncarlsen9545]

men laver du vidioer i berlin?

[@askevalbjrncarlsen9545]

og hvordan hvil du transpotere 2 mortercykler ?

[@TheDaveSausages]

I've seen plenty of rat choppers :)

[@submoto]

Yeah, not quite my bag to be honest :-) but some are quite creative

[@johnnyboy1586]

Love the tracker style ....regards from NZ

[@lamejify]

lacquer it with ......... may I ask what

[@submoto]

Jemal Freeman sorry, didn't get the question

[@avinashhapse7027]

Ghochu!!!

[@shavguru]

just band- wagon jumpers. that's all. wanna latch on to the "in thing". no originality, no difference between any of them, 'cept the paint. don't be original, just copy everyone else. that simple. bobbers are the worst. ooh, I saw this bike, and that's what's in, I'm gonna copy it

[@submoto]

I follow you. I think I even made a vid on that subject at one point. But sometimes there's nothing wrong with seeing a bike and liking the look so much that you want one just like it. My hat is off to originality, and the cool thing about originality is that it really brings out the diamonds in the rough. But art is always so difficult to define. Sometimes just 'different' isn't always good. It's a REALLY difficult balance to build something unique, yet within tradition. But that's what makes it an art-form in my opinion :-)

[@oneshothooligan6279]

Lost me on the first 4 seconds

[@submoto]

Awesome! :-) I think that still counts towards view revenue

[@whatwhatyep]

When you ahvent got a lue what your talking about!

[@submoto]

Eddie Oliver oyur rihgt! compeletly lueless, this bloke!

[@whatwhatyep]

Admn irght

[@guiltygearcore]

Hehehe cafe.. scram..um wait .. tracker.. cafe ummm wait no.. XD

[@submoto]

hehe, so many people gave me crap for that intro :-p haha most people didn't think it was funny ...almost makes it even funnier if you ask me :-p

[@guiltygearcore]

I know right. hehe.

[@marlonajigalvan3145]

It would've been better if he was in a room.

[@submoto]

I will tell him :-D

[@emiliocabra331]

Heeeeey I have an accidental rat bike :D

[@submoto]

haha, cool

[@shavguru]

brat?

[@submoto]

+shavguru www.bikebound.com/2015/07/13/what-is-bratstyle-a-definition/

[@WastedHoursProject]

You say ahhh, and omm to much.

[@submoto]

Thank you

[@WastedHoursProject]

ahhaha sorry bro wasn't trying to be mean. It is a really good video and it helped me decide what style I wanted to go with.

[@submoto]

@@WastedHoursProject I appreciate all input. and you're right. That is something I noticed as well :-)

[@WastedHoursProject]

Other then that perfect video, and you gained a sub for actually replying!

[@Gr8Layks]

Annoying, disorganized, and uninformative.

[@submoto]

obnoxious, rude, and uninsightful