The Difference between TNG and Star Trek Discovery / Short Trek

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[@MajorGrin]

an explanation here : kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYPLg5lnlrB4msU another example here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3XPn4BretqZe7M

[@dandeliondowntoo7068]

Many people, including me, commented that that was one of your best videos. (And there are so many excellent ones, including this one.)

[@XxLegionPLxX]

Good star fleet captain has to be a good leader or at least a professional. That smile and tone makes her look like the oposite of that.

[@Brinx01]

As much as I agree with your assessment of this clip and of Discovery in general, I believe this was not meant to be mean spirited, but to be comedic. It failed, due to how the situation was handled. I watched it a few times to be sure, and the situation presented seems to be one of an inexperienced captain dealing with a serious discipline problem back before Kirk's time. He went over her head and people were basically not enlightened yet. The problem is that they portrayed the guy as somewhat picked on and misunderstood with the captain being impulsive and short tempered. I think for this to work as comedy the captain needed to be more of a role model, with the scientist just being a loose cannon.

[@mistercohaagen]

@Major Grin Dude, comparing the "morality" of the top archetypal psychopath character from the mirror universe to a sane Starfleet captain is *completely dishonest*, let alone ridiculous. What flavor of shit are you trying to stir here, exactly?

[@jeremymain7303]

@@Brinx01 I think it's meant to be woke nonsense because it's written as woke nonsense.

[@killerbye1985]

The older shows tried to imagine what humanity COULD be, the new shows just takes humans as they are now and puts them in the future.

[@QuantumElectricians]

And that's exactly one of the many, many, many things the modern showrunners and writers just don't get about Star Trek. The completely wrong people are in charge- like so many things in this world.

[@craigwoodward8455]

@@QuantumElectricians They do get it. Theyve admitted they get it. they truly do.... they just dont fucking care. Theyve all admitted in interviews. they DONT LIKE STAR TREK. They never wanted to DO star trek. they wanted shit like star wars, shit they could fuck with in this manner, so instead they turned star trek into this.

[@ifstatementifstatement2704]

LOL so true!

[@stitch4772]

Extremely well said.

[@achilleonv]

Writers today are not fans of the old Star Trek. They want to impose their agendas and ideals to the people they are writing. They do not understand how people outside their sphere of influence are living and what they believe in. They can not be creative and create from scratch because they know it will not be taken serious. They can only take existing IPs since they already have name recognition.

[@auroraalpha34]

let us take a moment to think about how the sarcastic response of "he was an idiot" to the question about how a man you knew died under your command during the hearing about the event is literally psychopathic

[@Tuvok_Shakur]

DEFINITELY "behavior unbecoming of a Starfleet officer" which is another court martial

[@justmindset]

It seems like the clip was from a parody sketch, not discovery

[@Fister365]

It's Short Treks, folks. Chillax.

[@UltraGalaxyify]

@@Fister365 Sure, just chillax when a beloved franchise is going down the crapper. Who cares if CBS is shoveling shit in our faces and calling it quality entertainment. It's not like Star Trek is a cultural icon that deserves better or anything.

[@ggggg77273]

@@Fister365 God forbid people have standards in TV. Please stop having opinions, you're no good at them.

[@docsavage8640]

It's very hard to believe those non-TNG clips are actually from a professionally produced Star Trek program and not some kind of bad fan fiction.

[@BlastbeatsLOL]

This literally is bad fan fiction. These scenes aren't from Discovery or any other real show.

[@ElOchentero]

FYI the clips were heavily edited to push a narrative, check this kzbin.info/www/bejne/maCQeICBd9x_e7c

[@Statalyzer]

Seriously, the script and direction and delivery all make her look like a high schooler and not a commanding adult.

[@gussmoon1111]

it looks terrible, , I was thinking it was a cheap youtube skit, but sadly it seems I was wrong.

[@greghannibal]

I first thought this was a college humor clip

[@rafsolo]

I legit face palmed at the "he was an idiot". That is not a proper answer to how someone died. The better question is, how did someone like her become a captain?

[@ShadowSonic2]

Did you watch the episode? He was beyond an idiot, he was a murderous psychopath.

[@azraiel1984]

@@ShadowSonic2 I saw it too, it's called bad writing and one sided backward representation of a group of people in a show that is supposedly diverse. I saw the episode it was garbage no different than everything else within the Discovery and Kelvin timeline.

[@terdsie]

She was a diversity hire.

[@bjreacher6402]

Like @killerbye1985 says, they took woke from today, and projected it into the future. Women are smart and men are stupid.

[@christophermunoz2004]

Wannabe activists taking creative control of a profitable franchise. That's how.

[@AethelredTheReady]

"I don't know how you made it this far in your career behaving like this." Says the captain as she belittles and continuously shuts down a member of her crew.

[@sargon6000]

How did she even end up captain? She doesn't seem the type of person who is good with people (chitchatting with the crew doesn't count, that's something the broom lady can do).

[@SefniAsheforr]

@Han Lockhart Because SJW characters don't need to demonstrate competency or exhibit the traits that would earn them their positions. They are just snarky cunts who somehow got to a high position. Just like the captain in Discovery, and just like Holdo in The Last Jedi. Kirk and Picard demonstrated just how competent they were every episode whether they dealt with crazy threats like the Romulans and Metron. Or whether they dealt with lighthearted issues like the Tribbles and their inter-crew relations. Roddenberry and the show runners of TNG actually knew what they were doing, these modern ideologically obsessed writers are rubbish. I mean look at the casting of the STD chick. She looks like a 26 year old blogger, not someone who would have reached the fucking rank of Captain in Starfleet. Granted Kirk started a little young in the original series, but both Shatner and Stewart excuded the maturity of journeymen naval officers. The Discovery captain looks like someone fresh out of the academy. The new producers and writers couldn't give a damn about Star Trek. Even the look of the new series is hideous. The green screen is shit, and the colors are so flat and shallow. The original shows had a grittiness to the visuals that was still very colorful. It perfectly fit the adventurous, wild west of the stars look that the series exuded. Star Trek died a long time ago, its corpse is just being paraded around by incompetent assholes now.

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@SefniAsheforr "Because SJW characters" Please, you gonna whine "SJW!" anytime a nonwhite or a woman does anything?

[@SefniAsheforr]

@@ShadowSonic2 When it does apply, certainly. I mean are we gonna pretend that Hollywood and the entertainment industry don't lean agonizingly far left?

[@everyonethinksyoureadeathm5773]

@@ShadowSonic2 is that your only retort. That STD captain is a wooden plank. Devoid of actual character and presence needed of a Captain. A TNG admiral (who was a woman) had more presence in one minute delivering orders to Picard about the Klingons-Federation alliance than that actress had on STD. That's saying a lot. Hell for all the faults of the writing team for Voyager, they made Janeway a strong captain that had to deal with the duress of being stranded in a unknown quadrant. So please...tell us why we can't use the label when it actually sticks to how Discovery writers chose identity politics over actual writing and character development.

[@FlamethrowersAgainstSnowflakes]

Modern Trek: "He was an idiot", lets him die a horrible death Classic Trek: "Become his friend!" .. Reg Barclay goes on to gain confidence thanks to Picard and become a Federation-wide Hero when he helps get the USS Voyager home

[@methatguy]

right?!!! appalling. Empowerment, No. Poor Leadership Skills, Definitely. Mean Girl's.... iinnnnnnnn Spaaaaaacccceeee..........cough*

[@imkluu]

She did not let him die, he wast ranting about his experiment and how great he was for what he was doing and how they needed to stay and save it while she was trying to get him off he ship which was being over run by an unstoppable alien species.

[@selalewow]

@@imkluu yes, but belittling him to Starfleet speaks worse of her. He is not there to defend himself and the writers thought "Hey, you know what's funny? The captain making fun of a dead guy." Every other ST captain felt it when one of their crew died, even if it was through their own stupidity, but this chick has all the empathy of a rock. Discovery is a joke, and not a good one. The Orville is a better Trek series than this. "We are on an adult channel now, let's swear." Yes guys, that is what separates adults from kids, nudity and swearing.

[@sebastiansilverfox6912]

@@selalewow To be fair, you do a disservice to rocks. She was not only quick to throw him under the bus to her superiors, but displayed all the hallmarks of someone who should never be in leadership, even acting like a child in arguing with a subordinate.

[@danielniemeyer1987]

@@imkluu yes but the man was in need of mental help and instead of getting him that she wanted to pass the problem to someone else. this whole thing would have been handled way better with a caring officer in charge. she just saw of how the week link effects her and did not see him as a person in need of help.

[@drewgarcia117]

Man, that whole Discovery thing really reminded me of the command of the submarine I served on, belittling people, never listening while just talking down to them, and generally just passing off the blame to the lower ranked instead of the leaders. As a Captain, it's your job to ensure people are developing and being engaged with properly across your entire ship, either through direct leadership on a submarine or small ship, or through several high ranking officers on a larger ship. If you have multiple failures, sailors who commit crimes, or more people leaving than staying in, then that is a direct reflection of the Captain and the way they run a ship.

[@OneofInfinity.]

Blaming subordinates is a sign of bad leadership, I served a long time, from the lowest rank to eventually an NCO, I always took responsibility as well made sure de people under my command would be motivated and valued when deserved, respect works best both ways.

[@michaelbaker8284]

@@OneofInfinity. And snarky girlboss chiding is certainly not a type of legitimate leadership.

[@chrisbingley]

Any 'commanding' officer, no matter their rank is ultimately responsible for the actions of those under them. If one of them is failing, the commanding officer is failing. The most important thing I remember is that all of the senior ratings (petty officer and above) had served far longer than me. Some of them had even joined the Navy before my father. I might have outranked them, but they were my betters.

[@mbogucki1]

I was just re-watching VOY and Barclay was in a few episodes. They were still helping him out, being patient and understanding while he relapses into Holodeck addiction while cultivating his better aspects. Even Admiral Paris was firm yet understanding of Barclays more unusual personality and theories. Just sad how this philosophy was abandoned for cheap laughs.

[@ElOchentero]

FYI the clips were heavily edited to push a narrative, check this kzbin.info/www/bejne/maCQeICBd9x_e7c

[@g4viscon]

You really haven't watched the short trek have you? Because if you did you'd realise that your comment is as dumb as this video your reacting to.

[@Timmyval123]

Yep. Welcome to modern media. It's all just one giant cliche

[@johnoswald1595]

One of the reasons I won't watch Discovery.

[@HKy0uma]

@@Timmyval123 Thankfully Lower Decks, SNW and Prodigy actually nurture and push for better with those who may struggle in social situations. Picard couldn't have said it better.

[@censorduck]

The discovery scenes look like something out of a star trek parody, not a real star trek.

[@ogrehaslayers605]

It is a parody... Isn't it?

[@michaelw4861]

It isn't Discovery!

[@PhilipZeplinDK]

That's... because it is parody, you numbnut.

[@DelaV3]

DUDE THAT SHIT IS REAL?!?!

[@lbukem4259]

The 'discovery' scenes aren't discovery.

[@greyeyed123]

Star Trek used to be written by well read, well educated people who understood the human condition and grappled with the issues of our existence. Now it is written by people who tweet a lot.

[@azai247]

IMO we always get the Enterprise which is the flagship. We rarely get the POV from the small ships with the captains that are exiled there for some reason.

[@tlavelle9232]

Boom, you nailed it.

[@alphanerd7221]

Spock's Brain. Turnabout Intruder. The Empath. Code of Honor. Masks. Threshold. Pretty much every DS9 ep. This short is better than all of those.

[@greyeyed123]

@@alphanerd7221 Eh. Not really. lol

[@alphanerd7221]

@@greyeyed123 Pretending to laugh isn't making me less correct.

[@milkshakebarrage9581]

TNG teaching me about Human faults, solutions to tackle them, emotional growth, maturity, in a serious manner. STD teaching me that being an empowered female means to act like an angsty teenager stuck in a body pushing 30, 40, 50 years of age, facing off parodies of men, only to end up contributing to eventual disaster, translated through the writing level of highschoolers with equal literary maturity. Sad what has become of Trek.

[@able34bravo37]

How fitting that Star Trek: Discovery would have such an acronym.

[@edinfific2576]

STD: S**ually Transmitted Diseases. That's all it is, so expecting anything better sets you up for a whole bunch of great disappointments.

[@insensitive919]

Well said. Does the show expect us to take her side, even if we accept the laughable premise that a buffoon graduated from Starfleet academy? If this is how she treats her underlings, I'd hate to see how she handles diplomatic relations, that's a recipe for disaster.

[@pacman4568]

Feminism is the biggest problem in today's world. LBGT and all the social problems with that stems directly from Feminism. Give a gobby woman an inch, and she will make your life a living hell for as long as she can. Just because she can. If you try to fight back, sh will play the victim card every time.

[@petertayler1712]

STD Writers: Well... the algorithm says the woke Twitter mob probably won't lose their shit. So, it must be a good script, right?

[@thelastone0001]

It's like watching someone parade around in a skin suit of someone you love and then when you object to it they call you evil

[@Ntwister]

yeah :( after ENT (yeah i liked enterprise to and think it was canceled just when it was starting to become great) i remember wanting new trek to be made for soo long. man was i disappointed first with the bs movies and then with the nail in the coffin with STD... if i did not know better i think i must have entered an alternative universe bc this is not what trek stood for. im i progressive leftie (classically liberal) mostly because of old treks vision of the future yet i have basically nothing in common with modern lefties...

[@opsimathics]

Discovery looks like a College Humor sketch

[@garfield2406]

It´s a short trek, but still you are right, like a bad College SJW humor sketch with overblown CGI budget :)

[@RoswellCrash]

It’s a parody that isn’t the real ST: Discovery. Watch the real damn show it’s better than all the others, judging something you haven’t even seen that’s not ST: Discovery. Idiots everywhere. Just delete your comment and stop posting shite when you don’t even know what you’re talking about.

[@X-Prime123]

Lol I just said the same thing before seeing your comment.

[@gd3710]

I honestly was wondering if it was a funny or die style internet skit...

[@xibeon]

@@RoswellCrash STD is not even worth watching if someone is paying you for that. But yeah, some people with brain damage will still enjoy the show. SO tell me, how much do you enjoy the show?

[@RaijinKaze]

Then Barkley went on to head up a whole division of sciences in Voyager. Losing the stutter and becoming an excellent officer. Just because he had people who believed in him and saw his potential like Picard. It is easy to take on Riker’s initial approach, easy to shift a problem somewhere else. We never know how people will turn out if we never try.

[@GeorgeMonet]

He didn't head up a whole division and he wasn't an excellent officer. He was the same character plagued by the same problems.

[@SlashBolt]

@@GeorgeMonet Of course he was, but as the series progressed he began confronting those problems. He's always socially awkward and unsure of himself, but he never gave up on his duty, and his superior officers certainly never undermined him along the way.

[@GuineaPigEveryday]

@@GeorgeMonet jesus christ ur just like riker then, as if ppl like that dont have potential

[@GeorgeMonet]

@@GuineaPigEveryday I'm not saying that. But what I am saying is that we should measure the reality. He wasn't the head of the division and he wasn't an excellent officer. He did go on to contribute to some major communications research and development but that doesn't mean he was an excellent officer.

[@slagit]

That is not the same Picard as we very sadly have to will watch now! Of course watching is something I don't care about any more!

[@cpob2013]

"There are no bad regiments, only bad colonels" - Napoleon

[@EliSkylander]

I remember when ST was written to make people into adults, not to glorify juvenile gags and quippy one-liners. Once on a time, the entire episode was summarized in the last scene with the pith of experience; now, it's just a buildup to a punchline. And no one is laughing.

[@OneofInfinity.]

I bet kurtzturd is laughing after every paycheck for writing garbage, just like Jar Jar abrams, they turn anything they touch into a steamy turd.

[@EchoSD]

Remember when you actually LIKED Star Trek captains instead of hoping they died by the next episode?

[@bdslade]

She’s not in any more episodes. This is from a one-shot comedic episode.

[@user-ut9ln4vd5m]

@@bdslade Now don't go spoiling the fun of waiting to see her next ship explode in the background of some massive, completely unnecessary battle

[@Fatsoulas]

Pike in Discovery S2 is actually a pretty great one

[@Velldog]

Even Captain Jellico

[@Velldog]

@@Fatsoulas Pike in Disco is incredible. Played so perfectly by Anson. A real credit to Star Trek.

[@iannordin5250]

TNG: respect is the default of character interaction NewTrek: Disdain is the default.

[@Fry09294]

Just like real life.

[@comicsans6215]

galgo corredor Star Trek isn’t supposed to reflect real life, it’s supposed to represent an idealized future for humanity, it should be something to strive for, to be a future you’d want to live in. Trying to make Star Trek realistic to our current values misses the entire point

[@That_AMC_Guy]

@@Fry09294 I was about to say that it's a reflection of the time we live in. It's not about facts anymore it's all about feelings. And butthurt women are usually the cause of a lot of issue.

[@able34bravo37]

Ramadi, 2006-2008. I was an infantry team leader (weapons squad). I was essentially the squad leader, though, as well as both team leaders, as the other team leader and the squad leader were both lazy, and frankly, a lot like the "captain" from Discovery. I quite literally took cues from Picard. Before the deployment, I got to know the men I had, figured out what they were good at, and set them loose to accomplish the tasks they could handle on their own, then worked with them so they could improve in the areas they were weak in. We gained a reputation within the battalion for our proficiency. Over time, much of my squad was broken up, and I was given "newer" "lower quality" soldiers (actually veterans who'd had shitty leadership the entire time). I repeated the process. The squad retained its reputation despite getting the "shitbags". One of them had a particularly atrocious reputation, and within two weeks of being assigned to me, was recognized for his skill by the theater sergeant major. I wasn't an amazing NCO on my own. I had an amazing squad. But they were amazing because I took cues from Picard in this scene (naturally, not the broccoli one later), used them where they were useful, and trained them where they were not. Incidentally, we were significantly less toxic as a unit than the majority of our peers. We did have a few rivals. Incidentally, those rivals had leadership that was very similar in thought and action to me. Several of those I know watched TNG. What Picard said works, even in a very difficult combat environment. Incidentally, what Captain Gender Studies said typically ends up the way it did for H. Jon Benjamin, but for more people.

[@magepunk2376]

TNG: Written by adults. Discovery: Written by children.

[@primmoore6232]

STD was written by angsty teens. And directed by their younger siblings (who want to show them up!)

[@vaporwave4880]

As a teenager I related so heavily to Barclay. I too had crippling social anxiety and shyness and was so inspired by a future that would nurture and encourage me to excel and reach my potential. The writers of modern trek would smirk if i died. Nice to know.

[@richard_aguirre]

They're the bullies who were told they now have to write for the sci-fi shows

[@tissuepaper9962]

@@richard_aguirre "b-b-but I wanted to be on Jersey Shore!"

[@iansneddon2956]

From your comment they would presume you to be a white male and either (figuring your anxiety and shyness is keeping you from getting laid) label you as an incel, or just go with toxic privileged white male (or both). Putting labels on you is the first step to devaluing you and dismissing what you have to say. If you are not white and male, they will fall back on lecturing you that you don't understand what racism and/or sexism is. Because we are in a world where white "progressives" can and will lecture a black man in America that he doesn't understand what racism is.

[@tissuepaper9962]

@@iansneddon2956 your comment has been hidden by the spam filter. I can see it in my notifications but it doesn't show up in the thread. You may want to make it a habit to double check on your comments by refreshing and/or opening the page in an incognito window.

[@ShadowSonic2]

You do know that Barclay did some really messed up stuff in his debut episode, really creepy stuff we shouldn't condone?

[@mreboric2215]

not even letting him speak in his own defense was very unstarfleet.

[@paulpolpiboon9535]

: it was very un adult. She was greatly threatened by him, so she kept trying to silence him.

[@TheBayzent]

Like Picard when we had that hag telling Jean Luc to go fuck himself. Totally Star Trek yo.

[@bendover2684]

@@DancingRasputin you resign from your dream because someone upsets you ? Ok

[@mkendrick94]

It’s very unmilitary command

[@rbowdenscipio3408]

It shows how emotionally immature the writers are. By definition, a conversation is when two people are speaking... but in their minds, it's only when she is speaking - and they probably behave that way in their own lives. They must be insufferable people.

[@PrivateVoid1]

Comparing STD with TNG is akin to comparing a pile of horseshit to a thorough bred stallion. Sure, they're both horse-related, but so utterly different as to make the comparison utterly meaningless. The best approach to STD is to treat it like horseshit and avoid.

[@primmoore6232]

Yes! Get a shovel and YEET it into a blackhole or something. Let Lower Decks take care of them.

[@tjjordan4207]

One of the big differences between Old Trek (pre-2000s) and New Trek (post-09) is the quality of writing. Back then, characters were written as mature, disciplined human beings who knew how to do their jobs, while the immature were written as inexperienced and naive but given arcs to improve and develop. While the characters being written now are just children in adult bodies, whining and complaining about their situations and feelings, and then being rewarded for it. But another issue is how New Trek uses political agendas as well. Men are portrayed as idiots and immature, either weak or toxic for being strong, while women are portrayed as strong and independent, yet also expressing how oppressed they are, even though they have high positions of power. While Old Trek did have politics in its shows and characters, it was done so with great writing that never pointed at the audience and told them that they are the bad guys and should feel terrible about themselves. But the biggest difference above all between Old and New Trek is how they portray humanity in the far distant future. Old Trek was trying to showcase the best of humanity and of what we COULD be. New Trek is just about taking humanity as it is now and putting it in the far future, showcasing the worst.

[@Taios87entertainment]

“One crew member was tragically lost. How do you explain that?” “He was an idiot.” “Captain, allow me to tell you something that I learned the hard way. Starfleet was founded by the best and the brightest. The ideals of the federation was based around integrity and ingenuity. And in your report you said that he was an idiot?” “That’s right.” “Captain, by calling him an idiot, his performance is reflected by the actions of his starship Captain. You are supposed to set an example for your crew. And yet, you allowed him to tragically die without thinking of the consequences of your actions. It is by this action that we hear-by demote you to the rank of Lieutenant and sentenced to work at Starfleet academy until you truly understand what it means to be a Starfleet Captain.”

[@Taios87entertainment]

@Chidi Akara which is why fanfiction is a thing. After I’m finished doing a project of mine, I’m gonna finish writing the prologue of my fanfic called: Star Trek: Unreliable.

[@OnlyTwoShoes]

...but meh strong independent female role...

[@jessencortashan4020]

She would just cry sexism and get the admiral cancelled 🙄

[@Taios87entertainment]

Jessen Cortashan you do realize they got laser guns that can literally vaporize you into nothing via section 31 right?

[@jessencortashan4020]

@@Taios87entertainment shame they weren't used on the script for this short

[@SammEater]

The Discovery scene looks like a parody of Star Trek for SNL.

[@fringelife]

@@rpottage Ironically these "Short Treks" would more likely make me want to cancel my subscription, if I even had one or still had cable at all.

[@thewerefrog2354]

@@rpottage, no you must be from some alternate universe. Those scenes couldn't have come from real Star Trek. That captain looks far too young to be a captain. The science officer there could barely string words together to form a sentence. The inability to follow protocol wasn't followed by any sort of time in the brig. No, it must have been a parody, like Star Trekkin' or Star Drek.

[@Joemama49620]

The actress who played the Captain is the same age as Kirk was, so that point is moot. Also, it is a comedy. One that shouldn’t be canon, but still a comedy. Calm down with your unfunny jokes man.

[@mostverticalproductions4808]

The guy she fired is H. Jones Benjamin, i.e. Coach McGuirk. A comedic actor. Are you sure it's not a parody?

[@abdulmasaiev9024]

@Most Vertical Productions Look up "Short Trek: The Trouble with Edward", because that's where this is from.

[@Pizza793]

Picard was an amazing leader. He had a good balance of kindness and strength, and he knew how to inspire the best of his crew.

[@vdo3000]

For those who didn't get the thumbnail, the actress also played Battle Angel Alita who was a cyborg with big eyes.

[@arashi3483]

When soldiers lack discipline, the fault lies with their commander. - Tywin Lannister

[@r0bw00d]

@Christobanistan Only for people who hate "Star Trek."

[@r0bw00d]

@Christobanistan It doesn't matter if it's Discovery or not; the characters' lack of professionalism is enough to make what's presented, edited or otherwise, garbage. The inquiry board members were more respectable than the main characters.

[@simplythebest2k]

@SneekySnek He knows it was meant to be a spin off...trying to get that walking dead lighting.

[@miakid4159]

It's really Sun Tzu... but sure whatever ancient teachings being taught via today's medium at least passes the knowledge on.

[@Shendue]

@Christobanistan Define "amazing". Because this looked stupid to me. Is this what passes among millennials for humour, nowadays? An extremely annoying bitch shouting at a guy like a moron, some tribbles fanservice and an out of place insult? How is it funny?

[@MentatTir2]

"As Captain...I am responsible for the conduct of the crew under my command." - James T. Kirk, Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country Even with his life on the line Kirk knew he couldn't pass the buck. If something went wrong on his ship, he was responsible. No excuses.

[@brianhogg358]

Kirk also says, later in that movie, that that notion is incorrect. Of Captain Spock, he says he's responsible for no one's conduct but his own.

[@WannabeWRX]

@@brianhogg358 He was referring to Spock taking responsibility for his failure to "teach" Valeris properly. Kirk still upheld his "The Buck Stops with the Captain of the Ship" during that conversation.

[@jamesms4]

That was why Kirk was more realistic.

[@PDohm123]

They knew this, even in the 24th Century. Clearly the 23rd Century captain transferring the poor officer, should never have been able to get promoted to captain.

[@OneofInfinity.]

Its a trend to pass the blame on to others and not take responsibility, if a woke movie fails at release, its not the writers or the movies fault, blame the people that knew it was garbage and did not waste money to go see it.

[@rb5078]

I truly believe that watching TNG as a kid shaped so much of my ethical beliefs. It’s kind of terrifying to realize a TV show could have that much power, but I’m grateful for the show that it was.

[@christophertomasello1227]

The great thing about this posting is the lack of a narration. The material speaks for itself. This would be analogous to watching surveillance footage of a murder in a courtroom. Nice job.

[@AdonanS]

"He was an idiot." Wow, what a leader...

[@undefined7141]

That’s real? What season! Holly shit.

[@GeorgeMonet]

Stunning and brave.

[@AdonanS]

@@undefined7141 Hell if I know, I don't watch this crap.

[@JohnDoe-tt6bh]

RLM clap

[@ashemgold]

That's no leader. But, that's what this generation THINKS a leader is.

[@beefjerky007]

Okay, I’ve never seen Discovery before, and holy shit that “this conversation is over” scene made me want to eat glass.

[@donwhiteley3293]

Can't wait to see how you feel after the "Sheer Fucking Hubris!" scene from STP.

[@dmclegg66]

Yeah, It's bad I'm Glad I skipped the show no way that's not Startrek!

[@wop52000]

This was from "Short Treks" not Discovery. Regardless of what people may think of Discovery. It is better than this short.

[@elta6241]

@@donwhiteley3293 That was the episode where I turned Picard off. Kirk would have dragged her to the nearest photon torpedo tube and ejected her.

[@unclebearski3048]

@@dmclegg66 said, " no way that's not Startrek!" So..................... It IS Starfleet?

[@FureyinHD]

This feels like the wisdom of 4000 years of society being passed down, vs the wisdom of insular 25 year olds who grew up on twitter

[@saladfingersasmrparty9768]

The thing is Larkin was actively hostile to Lucero. He wanted to genetically-engineer tribbles for food and, when asked if they were sentient, said that he could give them brain damage. Now, Lucero doesn’t exactly conduct herself in the best manner here. It’s her first command, and she definitely blows it. But that isn’t to say Larkin is a 1-to-1 of Barclay. Barclay wasn’t a dick.

[@trinasmith4326]

Non of what you said made sense. Who would write such a crazy character? I think in tng he would have been evaluated mentally. If he was found sane and If he persisted then he would be order to stop. If he did not he would be defying direct orders. He would be relieved of duties and put under whatch in his room.. What kind of captain just passes her problems off to someone else without dealing with it? Horrible writing. Horrible characters. She killed an insane man then felt no guilt and even relished his death because he was "stupid". Sadism.

[@winsomehax]

She says... "I don't know how you made it this far in your career behaving like this...". Indeed. Indeed little Ms Projection.

[@crappiefisher1331]

you moron it is a skit and not an actual scene from discovery

[@MLBlue30]

@@deleteduser121 Totally not a psychopathic thing to say! (Yeah she's a bitch, but still...)

[@yoloswag7483]

lol this entire show is projection of STEM girls who are incompetent asf and have to resort to "other" ways to pass the class.

[@Dargonhuman]

Yea, Captain Chipmunk Cheeks really needed to take a long, hard look in the mirror on that one. The absolute least she could have done was given the crewman a chance to defend himself, then still signed the transfer orders. By constantly interrupting him so rudely, she was showing herself to be the terrible person and accidentally making the audience sympathize with the crewman.

[@alucard624]

@@Dargonhuman She represents all that is wrong with having a female boss these days.

[@Terminal-Man]

It’s like listening to a bunch of 14-year-olds arguing “this conversation is over.” This is not Star Trek it’s not even mature content made for adults.

[@jessencortashan4020]

Gives you an idea of the level of the adults this was written for, does it?

[@39KHall]

Written by people who have no idea how the world works, for people who have no idea how the world works.

[@MG-bs5mr]

Look, maybe my sense of humour is hardwired for a certain sensitivity, but that disco short is comedic. To me it's glaringly obvious.

[@danemeyer008]

You missed the point of the interaction. Sheva strong woman told him what to do. He not only ignored her he attempted to mandolin to her. His death was meant to validate her decision. If he listened he would be alive. She was right all along. Her response he was an idiot is supposed to garner cheers from the woke feminists watching the show. Jokes on them. Not only don't actual star trek fan watch the travesty they created. the woke audiences never bothered to tune in. Not really a surprise since everytime studios go woke they go broke because the audiences demanding the garbage stories don't watch the rubbish.

[@MG-bs5mr]

@@danemeyer008 well that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. I'll be watching Discovery season 3.

[@LordNifty]

I had a manager like that Discovery captain once, who ended up not managing anyone. Strong leaders use authority like a guiding light, and weak ones like a cudgel; it is all in how bright they are.

[@pigpig252]

It’s ludicrous that that “he was an idiot” line came out of a Star Trek show

[@kentallard8852]

"messaged my bosses" - does that sound like something a starship captain would say? Or perhaps a writer self inserting?

[@maxwest6595]

God-awful dialogue. God-awful characters. God-awful story concepts Anachronistic ships and tech. Unwatchable trash.

[@IndieGinge]

Almost every tv writer seems to literally only ever talk to tv writers and producers and they seem to all do it through fucking twitter so none of them know how real people talk anymore. I'm now sure we need to do like a chinese cultural revolution, because maybe if we forced all these people in media to work in the countryside on farms for a year or more they'd remember what it means to be human.

[@IndieGinge]

@NumptyMagnet lmao more so than LA writers rooms.

[@JJ-ml7pq]

I could have let that slide in ENT since that was the closest to “now,” but by DIS/TOS they should really be speaking a different lingo.

[@morganmosley5136]

@KentAllard, I noticed that too. The characters in modern Star Trek speak like modern people, which is a weird. It's a subtle thing, but it conflicts with Trek's notion of humanity being evolved and enlightened. She sounds like someone working in retail, not a starship captain. On the hand, she was great in Alita: Battle Angel!

[@JayLeePoe]

"One man died..." "...He was an idiot." "Remorseful and repentant. 20 years hard labor."

[@OneofInfinity.]

On Rura Penthe ofc.

[@JayLeePoe]

@Christobanistan Yeah, no, the point is that an actual military does not care about your childish explanations for manslaughter

[@GiantFavourites]

@Christobanistan In almost any military installation, the captain is responsible for the lives of his/her crew. It is established that a Starfleet Captain is an exceptional individual only chosen if they reach a certain standard. I understand the premise and humor to be gained by what was portrayed, however it creates an apathetic tone and paints the captain as dispassionate, unprofessional and dislikable. I agree these would be fine traits to posses in a parody or some satirical comedy. I will admit that I have only watched a meagre amount of Start Trek Discovery; but from what I remember the show was dark, violent and serious; tones that do not fit the scenes depicted.

[@GiantFavourites]

@Christobanistan hahaha, will do.

[@JayLeePoe]

@Christobanistan keep screaming and calling others manchild, the irony is awesome yeah, no, if you're in command then guess who is responsible for everything in action? that's right, sunshine, the top officer on the field. there's a reason for that which neurotic screaming undeveloped manbabies just cannot process in their itchy, swelling brains-- this is how a military actually does operate christie, this is how the original series would treat it. A man died and there were several points in time where you could have saved things from getting out of control instead of being directed for yuck-yucks because comedic plotdevices and lazy writing where Star Trek just can't exist anymore.

[@deusexaethera]

The guy who got eaten by Tribbles is definitely the voice of Sterling Archer.

[@YezaOutcast]

the thing in general about older trek is: they wanted to edjucate. about morals, about war, about duty, about whats right and whats wrong and how to recognize it, about the power of the mind and its deep and dark secrets and about compassion. especially in TNG. in no other series in my life i learned more about doing the right thing. picard was a role model. someone to look up to. they need to focus, revisit the past of the genre and understand what they did right back then. what the whole franchise was about. and let never mr. kurzman near a star trek series or movie EVER!

[@tripgiannini1892]

That “Captain” was acting like a teenage girl not a leader.

[@boss-anova]

Like a human.

[@ACGreyhound04]

Trip Giannini - Every military organization has its good leaders and its bad ones. Hopefully the bad ones get court martialed and receive an OTH discharge. It looks like that was what was happening to the female captain at the end of the Discovery episode.

[@PhialSubstance]

That's because she was written by a teenage girl. Mentally if not chronologically.

[@ginsengaddict]

@@boss-anova An unprofessional, smug and utterly disrespectful human. Not at all "captain" material.

[@ginsengaddict]

But, it DOES make a good (if unintentional and entirely unwanted) case for why women couldn't be captains during Kirk's tenure as captain of Enterprise (see: "Turnabout Intruder").

[@assadn5082]

TNG was one of the most impactful shows in my personal growth and journey to questioning what it means to be human and how to be a better one. It's a shame to see it turn into the complete opposite especially during a time where we are becoming more aware of how some of our traumatic pasts and upbringing have effected us as adults and learning how to heal from them.

[@Joseph-yt4ir]

"This conversation is over." Holy crap...I just realized I had that exact conversation with my Supervisor two days ago...

[@LordProteus]

"I don't know how you made it this far in your career" Right back at ya.

[@Hamburgers4Haiti]

"Diversity" Laws.

[@unfabgirl]

Considering he wanted to genetically alter a potentially sentient animal to be born brain damaged, I have to wonder.

[@crowbar_the_rogue]

I'm also pretty sure she was supposed to use Present Perfect since his career was still ongoing at the time. Or is Past Simple also correct?

[@deusexaethera]

By far the best thing to come out of ST:Discovery was Anson Mount's Captain Pike, because he was the only one in the entire show who actually behaved like a goddamned naval officer.

[@mrbigglezworth42]

Turns out spreading your legs for the right people can leave you with a lot of blackmail to use later.

[@lordsauron3979]

The Next Generation= kindness, understanding, acceptance and compassion. Discovery= douchery.

[@NoBudjetFilms]

Comedy at the expense of the people who need someone to show them an ounce of kindness and an attempt at understanding.

[@agonleed3841]

what? I mean...I grew up on the Next Generation. I AM the next generation lmao But seriously, it was great and I still revisit it. Actually going through the seasons again this year like I did last year. And Enterprise as well. Discovery is a damn good Star Trek addition. I don't even understand...past people being pissy about gay people...why people hate it so much. Seems like people gonna hate anything new now.

[@maybeitsyou1317]

@@agonleed3841 The acting, the dialogue and the lessons. All terrible and shame the past greatness. Not just TNG either. DSN and Voyager both dunk on discovery which is just bad.

[@greytroll1632]

ST:Disgracery is not Star Trek

[@WisamSafi1978]

Basically TNG shaped the way I conducted myself at the University and my Corporate life. It’s was wonderful blueprint to learn about working with people from different cultures and background and in the same time standing up for yourself and what you believe in.

[@SigmaTheWhiteFlame]

The fact that the captain is that young is already immersion breaking.

[@henrymalong4542]

Good upload. Thank you

[@AnotherDoomerWeeb]

Watching Barclay develop through TNG, Insurection & Voyage was one if the most fulfilling side stories in all of Trek. To watch a insecure man gain the confidence to persue his dreams is what Star Trek is all about. This contrast just hurts. And ppl wonder why old school Trekkies dislike STD

[@ValiantWrestling]

Barclay wasn't in Insurrection, he had a cameo in First Contact.

[@AnotherDoomerWeeb]

@@ValiantWrestling thanks for the correction. :)

[@k1productions87]

If she was supposed to be a good captain, that comparison would mean something... but she isn't, so it doesn't. We aren't supposed to agree with her decisions, nor sympathize with her in any way. Just because she's the Captain doesn't mean she's right, or she's who we should care about. If anything, THAT'S the difference in Discovery, and one that I am happy to see. Captain's shouldn't always have the primary focus (I'm looking at YOU, Kate Mulgrew)

[@outsidethebox262]

Well, with the way you are saying it, I've never met anyone who likes STD LOL

[@drmayeda1930]

@@k1productions87 Blame TPTB, if you didn't like how she played Janeway. Remember she's the SECOND actress to play Janeway. The first was canned before the series started. They cast someone, started shooting but something wasn't right.

[@SAClassHunterZero]

“The man who created Star Trek Discovery, how do you explain that?” “He was an I D I O T”

[@jerichobeach2967]

SAClassHunterZero or she was an idiot

[@judeisurufernando674]

It's Bryan Fuller and Alex Kurtzman. I think I know who the idiot is (Spoiler:- It's Kurtzman)

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

@@judeisurufernando674 Hell. Even according to some insiders, he acts like the girl in the video.

[@judeisurufernando674]

@@DonVigaDeFierro Full disclosure, I still haven't seen STD (Just to clarify, not Sexually Transmitted Disease😁😁). If this is what is to come... I'm not hopeful.

[@GeneralG1810]

@Christobanistan Meh at the end of the day Star trek Diversity is an absolute rubbish show, so is Picard. It's a crime what they've done to a once great franchise just to satisfy some woke SJW wankers

[@brunofeitosafl]

Thanks for this!

[@unsuzherif2337]

God, It's sad that we will never get a new Star Trek with similar quality to TNG-DS9-VOY era. Even TOS for that matter

[@Worf-]

Even Enterprise was better than this disaster of NuTrek.

[@paulcoy9060]

And then Reg went on to help rescue Voyager from the Delta Quadrant. Because he had people who believed in him, and took him seriously.

[@linusa2996]

Reg earned that respect. This guy did not.

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

Admittedly he was fairly childish, regardless there are better ways

[@sfappetrupavelandrei]

@@linusa2996 And he earned the respect because he was given multiples opportunities. It's not the same for this one.

[@linusa2996]

@@sfappetrupavelandrei How many opportunities was she going to give him?

[@temporaneo617]

@@linusa2996 did she even give him one opportunity though? Serious question, I don't remember this short that well

[@nathanmcdonald610]

Watching The Next Generation as a kid with my dad gave me unrealistic expectations of what kind of professionalism to expect out of adults when I got older...Discovery is the sad reality it all turned out to be.

[@Daimo83]

Yeah... That takes me back to my late teens

[@hamsterminator]

TNG is from an era where people believed having responsibility and morals made you a better person. Discovery is from an era where people believe that responsibility and morals are unfair tasks that get in the way of sitting around and doing nothing and being congratulated for it. This is the result of telling kids at school "everyone is a winner" instead of "Don't worry, you can do better".

[@Jane4CetaceanOps]

TV shows, especially Star Trek, were meant to entertain and inspire, not slap us with the "sad reality" of life.

[@deathtoraiden2080]

@@Jane4CetaceanOpsThe reality of life in the 80s, 90s and even early 00s was not the sad reality of life today. Specifically the 90s was a time of great optimism and i unironically believe TNG had a part to play in that. Today's media does not want to slap you with the "sad reality of life", it works to distort and corrupt the reality until the sad is all you can see. Today's shows don't just promote mental illness, they actively seek to provoke it.

[@Malvisk]

What episode was the Star Trek Discovery scenes cut from?

[@primmoore6232]

Star Trek: Short Treks. It was an anthology series of shorts set in the Star Trek universe, acting as a companion to Star Trek: Discovery and Star Trek: Picard.

[@No._6]

In the wider context, I think people forget that TNG was not just a show about a proposed future, but a story about a series of insanely remarkable people on one ship, where everyone else out there still suffer various problems and weaknesses that we do in real life. I didn't like Discovery much, but I still remember that basically everyone outside the Enterprise, Starfleet or not, was multiple levels below the quality of skill and character than what was normal on the Enterprise. These characters in the compared sketch could have easily been represented in an episode of TNG as a disfunctional crew who get aided or corrected by the main cast and it would have been like normal.

[@Rihcterwilker]

Why is she smiling in his face everytime she says "the conversation is over"? She's being rude to the guy, are we supposed to think that he's in the wrong here?

[@Szten]

Quite likely the lines were so ridiculously badly written that the actress just couldn't say them with a straight face. Edit: By the way this very smile got me know that she was Battle Angel Alita.

[@paulpolpiboon9535]

Right, the guy is fine. How did this bitch ever be captain?? The hell kind of leader is that. Janeway needs to BITCH slap her

[@DanielBhatt]

Dude, he created a species against orders that destroyed his ship, destroyed a planet, and created a diplomatic disaster. All the while he never expresses regret and thinks people should always listen to him. What part of that screams someone deserving of respect? He acted childish so he was treated like one.

[@paulpolpiboon9535]

@@DanielBhatt : You're defending her?? Sooo she did EVERYthing in her power as a leader to prevent any of this from happening...Answer honestly. And he never showed disrespect, so YES he deserved some respect son, and you're asking what part screams that he deserves respect? How about the fact that he just invented the fucking Tribbles. Clearly his mind is very formidable and yet you refuse to think he deserves respect

[@tek512]

@@DanielBhatt Except for the part where his creations would not have been problematic in the least if not for the captain mishandling the situation. Additionally, science officers do not need Starfleet permission for their experiments most of the time.

[@sneeson]

" I don't know how you've gotten this far in your career acting like this" "The feeling's mutual"

[@GnosticAtheist]

Indeed. How could that thing be made captain? And why a captain barely 20?! What is even happening!?!

[@MorfsPrower]

@@GnosticAtheist Seems the Federation has gotten desperate and lazy. They must hand out captain rank to anyone that asks these days. But this hardly feels like Star Trek anymore, so I guess the future is bleak.

[@laggedoff]

Completely professional, even to him before he made his overstep and massively disobedient act to genetically modify the tribbles. What was she supposed to do, let an insubordinate highly narcissistic crew member talk back to her and continue to disobey her? Get security to come in (not that you wouldn't want it, so you could jack off to your own hate of the show) and rough him out?

[@GnosticAtheist]

@@laggedoff Did you not see how she talked to him? She invited that behavior. It does not help that she is a child making her mannerism seem even worse. At the hearing when she was confronted about his death her comment was borderline psychotic. Its a fleet investigation, not a frat party.

[@AudioGardenSlave123]

Øystein A. I cannot believe somebody is fanboiing -- fanboying -- fanboinging... this show. Good response on your part.

[@alexblank7277]

It physically hurts me to see how far this universe has fallen from its peak. I used to dream of one day traveling the stars aboard a Starfleet vessel, now I just wish they'd stop trying to milk it for every penny it's worth and put it to rest.

[@redmartian]

What was the parody footage from with the bobs burgers guy?

[@primmoore6232]

NOT a parody, but a episode of *Star Trek: Short Treks,* an anthology series of shorts set in the Star Trek universe, acting as a companion to Star Trek: Discovery and Star Trek: Picard.

[@Cartoonman154]

The dialogue comes across as something that Dr Evil and Scott would say.

[@himynameisbuttcorn5224]

Holy shit thats so true

[@pittland44]

You're absolutely 100% right. I kept expecting her to start saying "Shhh!"

[@Kenjaiz]

I got a whole bag of "shhh" with your name on it!

[@laughingalien]

Zip it good!

[@Xero_Kaiser]

Fucking hell, this really *is* the, "zip it" conversation from Austin Powers...

[@SW12234]

TNG: _‘we're imperfect but must find unity and commonality to help us as a collective reach a greater tomorrow.’_ STD: _‘you're not my problem.’_

[@pinkfloydguy7781]

Literally #notmyjobsis

[@Ntwister]

there are moments when you have to let go of someone but man the STD way makes me sick to my stomach...

[@steffimaier7297]

The smugness and often evil behavior of modern "heroes" disgusts me. They are an reflections of those who write them.

[@the81kid]

They're the reflection of what the writers do and where they spend all their time: social media. Nu-Trek stinks of social media. The snark, the sarcasm, the narcissism, the barely hidden sociopathy.

[@xaviercarr4718]

1:00 Hey, it's Captain Battle Angel Alita!

[@MesosphericAttitude]

If she was my Captain I'd be requesting a transfer ASAP to another ship with a real captain who actually cares for their crew and shows some professionalism.

[@hamhockbeans]

If Spock and I mean the real Spock Nimoy was on that ship in Discovery he would curse her out.

[@heinzerbrew]

20 seems a bit young to be a captain, but she acts 13. I guess it evens out in the end, somehow.

[@carldagroundskeeper]

@@heinzerbrew Agreed. Maybe for every Pike and Picard, you also get a Jellico and a Pressman.

[@Demiurge13]

@@hamhockbeans "double dumb ass on you" =P

[@johnilarde8440]

Tbh, if she’s my Captain. I would transfer to Enterprise. Because i would rather have Pike as a Captain than her..

[@greghannibal]

"One crew member was tragically lost. How do you explain that?" "He was an idiot." "Oh! Well, that's that then! I have no more questions. You may return to your ship, Captain."

[@razorburn645]

"I'll just include that quote in with your recommendation for demotion".

[@abnnizzy]

@@razorburn645 Losing a ship and crew members while giving that answer would get ANYONE court martialed, not just a simple demotion.

[@razorburn645]

@@abnnizzy I'm aware though having her scrubbing out conduits on a Klingon penal colony would be even better. Sadly there's no accord yet.

[@ChakatBlackstar]

@@abnnizzy Actually losing a ship is an automatic court martial, even in Starfleet as mentioned by TNG when Picard ran into the person who court martialed him after losing the Stargazer.

[@josmo1363]

"Oh, so he was an idiot was he....hmmmmmm. You of course realize his performance along with your inability to rectify his idiocy reflects heavily on your leadership skills, or lack thereof, as a Captain. Not to mention the dismissive response you gave as well as your sociopathic lack of remorse at the loss of one of your own crew members. Perhaps we put too much pressure on you by promoting you too early, thankfully that can be rectified...ensign"

[@roshanparveen7930]

Which episode of discovery is this scene from???

[@bluecoin3771]

They wasted Jon Benjamin, the star of Bob’s Burgers and Archer.

[@mattm7378]

"I don't know how you made it this far in your career" Umm how did SHE get into a leadership position with that dismissive, nasty attitude?

[@Duragizer8775]

My thoughts precisely.

[@saintsinningsword]

Affirmative Action will never die

[@GeneralChangOfDanang]

Not to mention she looks about 12.

[@mattm7378]

I'd like to hear from either the writers or someone who actually enjoys this - how do they interpret her actions and characterization here? Is she being strong? assertive? exercising responsibility? It's mindboggling to me that ths could be interpreted in any way other than rude, dismissive bitchy brat

[@saintsinningsword]

I've also seen arguments saying how Star Trek Voyager had a female lead as Captain and little argument from fans, trying to say that arguments now are unfounded. I'm only getting into DS9, I first watched and like Enterprise so I haven't watched Voyager yet. I only don't care for new ST because of production value and its Special Effects. I think they made the Klingons into bigger jobbers but I forget.

[@JoeFiorelloFilms]

Holy shit, the Star Trek Discovery scenes look like a Funny or Die skit

[@caelmcintosh143]

Yes, that's the point.

[@JoeFiorelloFilms]

Cael McIntosh yes. That seems to be exactly the case.

[@Treblaine]

So... does this mean someone dies?

[@peoples2296]

The scenes aren't from Star Trek Discovery. It's from a spinoff series of shorts. It's a parody of an old Star Trek episode, the Trouble with Tribbles.

[@Sheyvanrocks]

That's not from Star Trek Discovery...

[@robertcopp2411]

Could you imagine a Naval Captain talking like that to anyone?

[@gregvarner9562]

Basically that is a good analogy showing the differences between society in the 90's and society now. Good job.

[@johnlowkey359]

I honestly thought the Discovery scene was a spoof...

[@Yggdrasil42]

John Hickey Because it is.

[@OrderRealm]

@MGazT Watching youtube videos is not "getting out"

[@Ant509y]

It literally is!

[@3dmaster205]

@@Yggdrasil42 It isn't. @MGazT >precisely. It's a bit of fun. Litterly made by and staring people from 'college Humour' . > >I guess some people don't get out much. That doesn't make it a spoof at all, it isn't funny, it's just seriously sad and pathetic.

[@jasonwright8832]

It's not a Discovery scene. It's from a Short Trek installment - which vary in tone and style. This one was broad comedy.

[@otomicans6580]

The smug grin on her face when she tells him he's being transferred says it all.

[@cygil1]

I don't watch STD. I'm assuming she's punishing him for some kind of act of evil Male Entitlement that provides some kind of loaded, contrived narrative justification for what otherwise looks like totally psychotic Mary-Sue behavior?

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@cygil1 No, this was from a parody show. She did this because he was a lunatic mad scientist.

[@Ant509y]

cygil1 obviously you don’t watch Discovery, if you think a silly comedy skit from Short Treks is the actual show...

[@astillia6073]

@@Ant509y yeah hes nuts but the fact short treks exists demonstrates how star trek is now just a cash cow for the writers and producers. They dont want to make something good, just something to ensnare stupid "fans".

[@Hrui3859]

The one thing I can say is it's not Rosa Salazar's fault. She's great in Alita Battle Angel and Undone

[@seldomsane5278]

I haven't watched Discovery yet, but it that's a taste of the dialogue, then I'm not missing much...

[@adrianvanleeuwen]

There is a common phrase I heard in my childhood... "It takes one to know one." Idiot is too harsh a word from the Captain in the Short Trek. Showing him the ropes would have been a better course.Old Trek TNG got it right.

[@skullkrusher4078]

"I don't know how you made it this far in your career acting like this" Pot meet kettle. That was the most childish Starfleet officer ever.

[@Knight121198]

@@grundian There was even an episode dedicated to Janeway getting to know and assisting Voyagers misfits, she at least tried!

[@MechaShadowV2]

@Christobanistan which totally breaks cannon. And also, from what almost everyone is saying, especially those defending it, this is how it was on the show (of short treks). Not a single person is claiming its edited but you.

[@simplythebest2k]

@@MechaShadowV2 I think is trying way to hard to give that universe some justification. Short trek is what fear the walking dead was to the walking dead. But walking dead caught lighting in a bottle this shorts could not because the original show can not.

[@Zapnl]

@Cliven Longsight .. paramilitary? Do you even have the faintest clue about how Starfleet functions? That officer is not a leader - she is a bully. She would have never held a captain's chair without showing any kind of aptitude for interacting for her crew.

[@Sully365]

@Christobanistan Thank you! that's exactly how i feel. i can't believe how many people took this one seriously.

[@chancerbox1935]

Jesus, she's not even letting him talk. What a disgrace to Starfleet.

[@gfixler]

Person #258 in the comments who hasn't seen this episode, and doesn't even know it's not from Discovery.

[@c4blew]

@@gfixler Maybe you should stop making shit up and start listening to/reading and replying to what people actually say instead of making unfounded assumptions and attacking people for something they don´t even mention. He says nothing about Discovery, he just says that she (the Starfleet Captain) is a disgrace to Starfleet because she doesn´t let him (her subordinate) talk which, whether you agree with him or not, says nothing about if Chancerbox has seen the episode or if he thinks that this Short Treks episode is part of Discovery (and btw. technically the Short Treks are very well part of Discovery even though this episode doesn´t play on the Discovery itself).

[@seamus136]

@@c4blew Indeed, there's a lot of merit to such a rock-solid argument as comparing an off-brand comedy sketch with an actual Trek episode from an actual Trek show that was meant to be taken seriously.

[@aureateseigneur5317]

@@seamus136 it'd not a funny short episode because it shits on everything Trek stands for in an attempt to he funny. She's a shitty captain in that moment, canon or not. Star Trek used to be capable of jokes without shitting on its core message in the process.

[@G1NZOU]

@SpeaksTooSoon But that's part of the problem, he's somehow a lieutenant but is a shitty officer? How did he get into his position? Also they're anonymous but he assumes it's him and transfers him, in a present day meeting if a boss fires you based on assuming an anonymous HR complaint is from you that's unfair dismissal and you can sue. Sure he did disobey orders but it's like they deliberately wrote this episode with him taking all the blame and being so simply the cause of all problems, but people ignore the way the captain dismisses him is completely unprofessional.

[@JGG1701]

R. I. P. Star Trek, I'll miss you.

[@andrewslonkosky1484]

Oh my god that second clip is a real scene? Great Scott...

[@braeduin]

I remember when I was in high school and TNG was first being aired on TV. I felt like I was the only kid in my entire school who watched that show. I was mocked and ridiculed for watching it. I wanted to be Riker, Geordie, Picard, but saw myself in Barclay. I think the writers and producers of the show knew who their audience was. Now Star Trek is a lot more main stream and is now acting like the Chads who bullied the trekkers back in the day - shame on them.

[@thegoodgeneral]

Your story and perception is a searing hot knife and new trek is a pad of watery, warm butter.

[@matthewgagnon9426]

"Now Star Trek is a lot more main stream and is now acting like the Chads who bullied the trekkers back in the day - shame on them." Which is precisely what's happened to every nerd property that broke through into the mainstream.

[@mightylad2197]

It's not "Chad", it's entitled garbage. By children for children

[@InquisitiveEngineer]

So now that Trek, SW, and other “nerdy” shows/franchises are mainstream, what are today’s high schoolers being mocked and ridiculed for watching?

[@latemanparodius5133]

@@InquisitiveEngineer Anime gets quite a bit of heat, but that's more a medium than a franchise, and varied enough that even normies can have anime series they enjoy.

[@DeLorean4]

The whole "end of conversation" banter is something that could have come straight out of Ghostbusters 2016, and that movie was 99% improv. Was I supposed to find that funny? Was I supposed to find "He was an idiot" funny? Discovery is a show written for and by people who have never felt or studied human interactions and emotions.

[@itzakehrenberg3449]

Sociopaths & psychopaths.

[@voiceover2191]

@@itzakehrenberg3449 No, it just represents the current woke mentality that has also infested Star Trek Picard, you know putting men in their place. Star Trek is done.

[@timmyturner7494]

Almost as if they’ve got Social Media Brain.

[@sebastianmelmoth9100]

@@voiceover2191 Its actually the Trump mentality of being a selfish asshole first and foremost.

[@patrickmccurry1563]

Like children who heard of Star Trek but never actually watched or remembered any of it.

[@Jasoneason132]

Which episode of discovery was this?

[@wingedfish1175]

Somehow the nu-trek clip is more of a joke then the Orville a literal parody of startrek that manages to be the best bit of trek media since enterprise

[@captmoroni]

He tried turning tribbles into a food source. Think of how useful chickens are as food. Depending on their nutritional value, he could’ve single-handedly ended hunger. This captain then banned the skilled biologist from studying/researching biology.

[@MajorGrin]

maybe the captain was vegan and disliked the idea of eating meat balls

[@ryanw3874]

@@Rick_Cleland Even in tng they had stopped eating animals though..

[@autonomic471]

By TNG they already solved hunger, no ? I'm near 100% sure I've heard Pickard or Riker say that. Replicators took care of everything

[@Rick_Cleland]

@@ryanw3874 What about the Anticans??

[@Rick_Cleland]

@@autonomic471 Yes, Riker says it in _Lonely Among Us_ (season 1, episode 7)

[@wallywest8390]

Man. They got Sterling Archer and Alita Battle angel, and THIS is what they gave us?

[@Trapsarentgay133]

Just listening to the voices without the video was trippy af

[@slighter]

I don't get the problem, it was a good short Trek. THIS used them pretty good.

[@thisismyname3928]

@@slighter No.

[@ginsengaddict]

@@slighter I say this as someone who likes DSC and is willing to forgive a lot of what has given it a bad rep among a fairly large group of fans: "THIS" is insulting, degrading and as demonstrated, shits all over the legacy of one of TNG's most beloved characters. There is no defending it. CBS should be ashamed.

[@danielwhyatt3278]

Holy crap it really was her. Really hope we get to see her in another film. The director really wants to make a continuation.

[@REspinosa3]

Barkley was a favorite of mine, I loved seeing shows that focused on him.

[@TheBoomhahaha]

Discovery looks like a fan made movie you'd find on KZbin

[@DanePavitt]

Anyone else feel like Discovery was trying to be Marvel's Star Trek? Even the line "He was an idiot" is straight out of Avengers

[@grayden4138]

"He's adopted."

[@BYERE]

I have to ask... What does any of this have to do with Marvel? They're not even owned the same network companies. Paramount and CBS have nothing to do with Disney or Marvel.

[@The_Butt_Cracker]

The overwhelming majority of Marvel's movies are well-written. Don't compare Marvel to this rubbish.

[@wjzav1971]

@@BYERE I think he was not saying that Marvel had anything to do with Star Trek, but that Paramount and CBS try to copy the Marvel formula and force it on Star Trek. Not unusual for when some popular thing in the media happens that others try to copy it with their own franchises without rhyme or reason.

[@BYERE]

@@wjzav1971 He literally put "Marvel's Star Trek", ie saying it's a star trek made by Marvel. Not "Marvel-like Star Trek", or saying that they took the style of Marvel and made it into Star Trek. He even compares it to The Avengers... I know the people who write for Discovery are lazy and/or ignore any and all canon thus far, but you can't really adapt the two genres (Star Trek and Superhero movies) from one style to the other.

[@dylanhill4428]

"The conversation is over" "No it isn't" "Yes it is" "No it isn't Repeat for 40 seconds

[@nesandpcengine3683]

This is pretty much Monty Python's argument sketch with the humor cut out. It's mean-spirited and childish. This is not Star Trek.

[@thethomasj1795]

It was like watching a conversation between me and my kid when he was 6 years old.

[@abnnizzy]

@Gray Jedi If this short went exactly like your comment then the dude died and that fucking captain got court martialed, I would give a thumbs up for the show.

[@youtooberman9001]

amazing dialogue lol what a joke

[@ramigilneas9274]

Dylan Hill But it’s #comedy.😂

[@TheAmazingJimmy]

Which episode of discovery is that from? I don't remember it at all.

[@primmoore6232]

It's from Star Trek: Short Treks.

[@jonathanliddane4144]

Jesus christ how far weve fallen in the past few decades.

[@tertiuscarstens7084]

TNG Captain - Reasonable, compassionate, patient, logical. STD Captain - Abusive, high on empowerment, does not care about her crew only herself.

[@novaiscool1]

Combine that with the fact that there were next to no female captains in that era of Trek and you really wonder how she got in that position. I'm thinking a lot of favors had to happen for that to work.

[@garfield2406]

@@novaiscool1 well in STD all good males got killed indirectly by Michael Plank of Wood, in causing the war with the Klingorcs.

[@KawaiiSoulB42]

That bullshit Captain pike was like that. Reasonable, compassionate, patient, logical.

[@Wingnut353]

This isn't STD... its a Star trek short and *IS* a freaking parody... sheesh.

[@hybridous]

@@novaiscool1 Even in the progressive future, ambitious womenz are still glad for the chance to bang the whole Starbase to advance their career when their merit would not...

[@chirho100]

Maybe Q could reveal that this was all a nightmare and he snaps his fingers and return us to TNG.

[@chirho100]

Ellisar Atranimus yes, I so agree, that is very possible with Q and would put a smile on my face and bring back my childhood joy.

[@Bopperann]

@Ellisar Atranimus If the show ever gets into the hands of competent people, all this can be undone and only used in the future as how NOT go write Science Fiction.

[@the81kid]

Just do what they did in Dallas: a main character wakes up next season and realizes it was all just a dream!

[@MostlyPonies1]

But whose nightmare is it? I think Picard would be Picard's nightmare and Discovery someone else's.

[@LeeKeels]

So go back 30 years? Nah.

[@TheRealMonkeyrogue]

Sweet Jesus, how'd I miss that. I've seen this episode! One of the FEW. HOW?!?!

[@charliebirkner8729]

TNG (and TOS) had a part in making me more curious, hopeful, and grateful; a better person, a better parent, and a better manager. Not ashamed to admit that. It's not folly.