The DISSATISFYING art of BORUTO and DRAGON BALL SUPER…

[@PURPLE_G0J0]

There’s no excuse for a monthly manga to be this sub-par in terms of art.

[@SatanbutspelledBroderick]

I agree

[@sc-1918]

Thats not how manga work

[@JustAsh001]

​​​​​@@sc-1918then how do they work? Look at one punch man the anatomy, the style and paneling everything is next level and has a lot of 2 pages drawings and for example look at dragon ball super I have been reading it since last 2 years and the improvement isn't even that much. Considering how big the franchise is there's no room to breathe in pages, the art looks whatever, panelling is some of the worst I have ever seen and action is literally so bad etc everything is so mediocre. It was a huge mistake to give such a huge manga to a beginning artist there are literally fan mangas with 10 times better art and everything

[@jagdishmaroo530]

And same with baki rahen manga. He uses to do great work😎. But maybe be because manga is not adapted well in anime🤯🤬. He losse intereste in something unique 😗

[@Skkia]

​​​​@@JustAsh001 Murata has much more freedom drawing Manga since The release isn't consistent plus he is a full fledged manga artist Plus all he needs to do is adapt the web comic in his style On while Toyotaro still isn't a full fledged manga artist and is still learning His draws way more page 45 pages at average in single chapter He draws way many panels in those 45 pages Consistent every month Plus he has to Invision most of story himself since toriyama didn't get involved much The works difference is way too much He can solve it if drew less pages and panel But that kinda became his whole identity drawing high amount of pages and panels So I doubt he would make less pages and panels

[@ClaclaT]

I am at the Goblin School, a very well-known drawing school in France and Japan. I can tell you that if people think that Boruto is poorly drawn, then they don't understand anything about drawing and have probably never drawn in their lives.

[@SatanbutspelledBroderick]

@@ClaclaT I feel Boruto as a standalone isn’t poorly drawn but in comparison to its predecessor it is lackluster, and like I said the part 2 of Boruto very much is impressive

[@Bombarty]

@@SatanbutspelledBroderickalso good to look at the situations. Kishimoto had a 4-8 man team throughout the whole series helping him draw Naruto. Ikemoto is alone and has been alone.

[@DmDaPDm]

Bro, So glad you made this video, I was saying this the other day about Goku vs Gohan (don’t get me wrong, the fight just started it could get better) but toyotaro draws as if he expects the anime to fill in the gaps of the actual combat. His fight choreography is basic as hell. It’s frustrating to see the lack of improvement given the amount of time he’s had to settle in, especially when compared to JJK & MHA who are pushing creativity, and giving the animators better material to create from. Yes Toyotaro has improved in still poses and drawings, I’ll give him that, he can do some great spreads and covers.

[@blipblop7565]

Agreed, one thing I've noticed is that he doesn't foreshorten or do any different angles much. One thing I loved that Toriyama did was always draw in the perspective of the camera being at different angles; sometimes above the character pointing down at them, or below them pointing up towards them. Toyotaro doesn't do that; his art is very good but he rarely draws outside his comfort zone. It's mainly flat 2d compositions of the camera just facing the character head on. I've noticed that he tends to struggle with foreshortening though which I can't really blame him

[@SatanbutspelledBroderick]

@@blipblop7565 and what’s crazy is that most of his memorable art is from the vol covers where he’s doing new perspectives but in the actual manga it is VERY bland

[@blipblop7565]

@SatanbutspelledBroderick FACTS! I think if he cuts down on the amount of panels per page (to like 2-4 like Toriyama), He'd have less to draw and can expirement with his paneling more. He normally does like 5 panels (or more sometimes) per page and has too much to draw, so I guess he simplifies it because each panel is too small to draw something bigger, detailed, and grand. Most of Toriyama's fights are like 2 or 3 panels per page and have a lot of space for him to draw. Toyotaro has wayyyy too much reaction panels during his fighting. A character will get hit in one panel, and then the next panel will show same character reacting to that punch. It's basically just an unnecessary zoom in of that character's face in the next panel. Him doing this really slows down the fight scenes for me at least I think if he focused more on dynamic poses and drawing over just punch, kick, and reacting, he'd have some great fight scenes

[@SatanbutspelledBroderick]

@@blipblop7565 wonderfully said man, and what really sucks is that he CAN draw dragon ball, even wit the slight issues I have like the roundness of the characters, when I read super I perfectly understand why toriyama picked him, I just wish he tapped into his real potential

[@Khann_2102]

​@@blipblop7565Yep, he's not good at making foreshortening and dynamic angles

[@yahnj6700]

But Ikemoto Doesn’t have any assistants to help with the manga at all. So although he has a month he doesn't get the help Horikoshi gets. Cuz they have to pay them with their own income they barely have. You would expect the publishers to cover the cost but that's just not the case in Japan.

[@gemini.saga3]

To add to that he doesn't even use digital all these are drawn on paper with just hands

[@adityasharma0376]

Well it's a good thing that the art style in both series is improving but it's still need lot of improvement.

[@SatanbutspelledBroderick]

I agree

[@djw_tekken8490]

​@@SatanbutspelledBroderick 90s style with todays improvement would be so cool tho DBZ was just so good

[@blipblop7565]

​@SatanbutspelledBroderick I think it's mainly just the fight scenes really. Toriyama, for example, was a big fanatic of martial arts films, so it's not a surprise how he constantly had new ideas for fight choreography. Even Kishimoto referenced a martial art film with the drunken fist fight between Rock Lee and that bone guy (forgot his name lol) But as for Toyotaro, I think his fight scenes lack creativity because he lacks inspiration; his only inspiration is dragon ball while the inspiration for dragon ball was a whole bunch of DIFFERENT inspirations combined. Toriyama was inspired by journey to the west, martial arts films, and even American movies like the Terminator. Meanwhile Toyotaro doesn't have much inspiration as far as I've seen. Edit: I don't hate Toyotaros art though, I just think it could be better

[@keanneraymesobre1171]

Finally a valid criticism and not just straight up shitting on the artist who works hard everyday putting love to the work as much as they possibly can.

[@SatanbutspelledBroderick]

Thank u like I said I still enjoy it, but it could be better

[@TheBlackOtaku]

If a manga or anime has a very good conclusion I don’t need a continuation like for example, Gintama has one of the best endings in a Shonen series the ending was so good I really don’t want to continuation of that series and demon slayer, even though I’m not the biggest fan of that series as popular as it is no one is asking for a continuation.

[@SatanbutspelledBroderick]

I agree, I think Naruto’s entire last chapter could’ve just been left for the imagination we didn’t really need Boruto, same thing with dragon ball, but as long as there’s potential there I’m sure the companies will push the creators to make more content

[@TheBlackOtaku]

@@SatanbutspelledBroderick also, I really hope this doesn’t happen to one piece.

[@SatanbutspelledBroderick]

@@TheBlackOtaku aye man TWO piece is already in the works!!

[@SatanbutspelledBroderick]

@@TheBlackOtaku also you just gave me an idea on a video so appreciate it🤍🗣️

[@ariancontreras4358]

Boruto has made tons of improvements not just in art but in story flow as well. Like I can actually read it monthly instead of binge reading that I was doing. This is probably the story they wanted to do all along but part 1 was needed for the setup.

[@yesthisislyra]

The art quality drop for those two series is so bad that I tell people not to read them if they're coming from the anime to the manga. It's not worth the disappointment unless you're super invested.

[@nn8xy]

its NOT that bad to the point your telling ppl not to read it. especially since borutos anime adaptation sucks dick

[@SatanbutspelledBroderick]

I think super is worth reading cuz the overall plot may be the same but the differences in execution is worth it (GOKU black going super saiyan first, Gohan vs kefla,) but yeah I think borutos anime is probably the preferred method to enjoy it

[@SatanbutspelledBroderick]

Borutos anime outside of the manga continuity ik nothing about😭 but Borutos animation in the big moments is also inconsistent

[@zvbored]

imo i really do like toyotaros work but nothing imo will ever compare to the original super saiyan panel (also since he was mentioned very briefly horikoshi is def one of if not the best new gen artist when it comes to fight scenes excluding murata of course)

[@mumfordboydylan8450]

One of the biggest draws for mha was the manga art. Only anime I read the manga first because how well it was drawn

[@SatanbutspelledBroderick]

Really is in a league of its own

[@KristianTBV]

I had to click on this but The Manga Art Ikemoto and Toyatoro’s literally inspired me to start drawing again because of how much. Also Kodachi was lightly involved at first but Boruto was outlined by Kishimoto and the details and artwork are written by Ikemoto. Theirs a certain vitalization from ikemoto and Toyotaro that is there for me.

[@SatanbutspelledBroderick]

I also started drawing again cuz of ikemoto cuz i do like some of his art, but i feel like his art in TBV is LEAGUES above what he used to draw

[@Chorusxdropoff]

Okay I feel where you’re coming from. I think that was a major part of why super had a year long recap arc. So Toyo can practice his art was soo rough at the beginning that he got accused of tracing.

[@justsomegirlwithoutamustach]

Whenever I see Boruto's bad art I think about that one meme where the mom goes "use both your eyes"

[@SatanbutspelledBroderick]

Huh?

[@thearrivalcyberseignister8898]

The fact that isayama (attack of titan author) had pretty much no experience drawing manga and ended up surpassing ikemoto in terms of visuals is straight up embarrasing

[@speedydrawing4637]

Took many breaks and hiatuses , has assistants , bad anatomy, okay ish panelling. Meanwhile ikemoto is consistently putting out chapters every month , with good anatomy and choreography while also being alone doing everything traditionally

[@markedano2738]

For mangas that has a good story and being monthly the artwork does really feel like its lacking. I feel like both of these problems can be solved by having more shadings. I would give credit to ikemoto tho he improved a lot and there a times he has really good art but he is inconsistent. DBS is also inconsistent but I think its a bit better.

[@SatanbutspelledBroderick]

I completely agree

[@KC_Smooth]

I agree with you 100%

[@LawOrderer]

Honestly I kinda wish Dragon Ball didn’t continue because I thought it ended well and didn’t need a continuation

[@SatanbutspelledBroderick]

As much as we all love our fan fav series it’s almost impossible to fully let go of em, I agree I liked the dragon ball ending but I can’t lie I was very excited for super

[@TheOfficialAnimeKid]

Dragon Ball Super is good. However, if compared to Z or the original it’s just mid. The artwork in DBS is amazing but the placement of the panels and the USE of the panels makes it mid or just nit at the level of Dragon Ball Z and Drahon Ball

[@KC_Smooth]

I’ve never been an art stickler. I can appreciate both styles for their own charms, but I do see where they lack when compared to other works. That said, I have seen improvement with Ikemoto’s Boruto art.

[@SatanbutspelledBroderick]

As have I, let’s hope he continues

[@enma8441]

I'm glad most people don't think that. That's why they are hugely successfully even though monthly releases

[@SatanbutspelledBroderick]

Don’t think the art is boring?

[@Dallas52]

Both of these shows feel and look like a cartoon rather than an anime . But it is getting better at least

[@SatanbutspelledBroderick]

The mangas you mean?

[@josesosa3337]

The 2 fandoms that I've seen that can COMPLETELY mimick and pay homage to the original artist are Jojo's Bizzare Adventure and Dragon Ball.

[@yeeteryeet]

Ikemoto is a better artist than kishimoto. (I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT ARTSTYLE. I'm talking about artists, Clearly Naruto art style is superior.) I wanna clarify what Kishimoto meant behind his statement of Ikemoto being a better artist than himself. Because Ikemoto IS ONE GUY DOING THIS ENTIRE MANGA. ONE GUY. Kishimoto needed like uhh 8 PEOPLE. And before you bring up ANY panel from the Naruto manga saying "Kishimoto drew this " I hope you know Ikemoto also drew that panel. He was the background specialist. Ikemoto is a really talented artist too because the fact that he is able to draw Boruto all alone without any assistants is impressive in its own right. He is better at drawing bodies than Kishimoto now. When Kishimoto was looking for assistants, he saw ikemoto's one shot manga and kishimoto was like "That guy. Right there. We need him." Why do you think Kishimoto choose him? Ikemoto carried the Naruto artstyle. He was the one that was helping Kishimoto often. But Kishimoto is way better at drawing perspectives than Ikemoto and he is better at drawing facial expressions, but Ikemoto draws male character bodies better than Kishimoto. When you look at the backgrounds in Naruto and compare the backgrounds to EARLY BORUTO. It is same quality. The reason why ikemoto toned it down is so the characters can be consistent. But now the art is rapidly becoming better every chapter since Ikemoto has the freedom to draw his own designs now. People often complain about Kawaki looking "Ugly" But thats because he literally is ugly. He looks weird because he is literally malnourished. He is not some hot guy like Sasuke. He is just an ugly dude in general and there is nothing wrong with his cover. They point out the long torso and short legs but no, his shirt is just too big and he is just pulling his pants down lol (Sagging). And before people start complaining about belts, YALL HAD NO PROBLEM WHEN KISHIMOTO SPAMMED FISHNETS ON EVERYONE but when Ikemoto does something repetitive "WAHH BAD BAD BAD" "Boruto has long arms" Hes just a tall lanky fella. I seen people with these arms before its nothing special. God forbid characters having different body types I guess. Also ikemoto draws way more detailed faces tbh. So overall Ikemoto IS a better artist than Kishimoto, but still, The naruto artstyle is better than boruto artstyle.

[@SatanbutspelledBroderick]

Ikemotos proportions sometimes are off, he has a lot of big head syndrome and the panel with Boruto returning is REALLY off his head and shoulder distance is CRAZY lmao, but like I said I just want his fights to get a bit better I like his art as it definitely has gotten better no issues there

[@VisorWis]

The one who draws better is a better artist so kishimoto is a better artist

[@awsomekick99]

@@SatanbutspelledBroderickall boruto panels in TBV are 10/10 ikemoto had not miss with any of boruto panels

[@yeeteryeet]

@@VisorWis you do realize kishimoto had 8 people helping him with ikemoto helping him the most Ikemoto has NOBODY. He does all the drawing by himself. Why do you think kishimoto say that ikemoto was a better artist? Literally all that beautiful backgrounds in the naruto manga was done by ikemoto, the background specialist. And partly kishimoto. Ikemoto was kishimots best assistant.

[@meswil]

out of his assistants I prefer akira okubo I've seen his staff before samurai 8 hachimaruden it looked like it belongs to naruto verse especially the first one before time skip to shippuden.

[@Liltreee]

How do you feel on the fanmanga dragon ball kakumeis art

[@SatanbutspelledBroderick]

Used to like it but it’s very much exaggerated lol

[@Mo-.]

I’m not a fan of the character designs in Boruto either it just doesn’t feel like the same person who thought of the designs for Naruto characters made the Boruto designs and before someone points out that it’s not I know but if it’s a continuation it’s jarring if it doesn’t look consistent at all. Also I am really sad about rhe lack of boobed women and the censoring of established tig bitties

[@omnijonn277]

I compare dbs manga chapter 54 and boruto chapter 8 and realize gohan vs 73 is similiar to momokishi vs naruto

[@SatanbutspelledBroderick]

How so?

[@taecampus]

Do you think Young Jijii imitates Toriyama's style much more than Toyotaro? He's another DB fan artist.

[@SatanbutspelledBroderick]

Yeah his looks a lot more in line with Tori’s imo

[@taecampus]

@@SatanbutspelledBroderick yeah I agree 👍 Honestly, I always thought that, instead of releasing the chapters monthly like they're currently doing, they should do it bi-weekly. And just to avoid Toyotaro getting burnout, hire Young Jijii lol It's kinda similar to how they handle the Sonic IDW comics. They have different artists tackle different chapters

[@zekken8227]

Toyotarous art is good.... its just his action panelling isnt as good as toriyamas

[@SatanbutspelledBroderick]

And that’s what makes it boring

[@khidkilo7790]

Idk ab dbz artist but ikemoto is a new artist that u have to give time like all mangakas… if u don’t like it how bout draw something better, this new gen of hate got to stop

[@SatanbutspelledBroderick]

Ikemotos oldest artwork ranges as back as 2003, he used to be kishimotos assistant so he should have some experience

[@SatanbutspelledBroderick]

And I’m not hating anything I still thoroughly enjoy both manga I just wish there were a little more

[@sc-1918]

​@@SatanbutspelledBroderick he was only assistant not mangaka and he had to change his art style because of the similarity btwn his and kishimoto.

[@khidkilo7790]

@@SatanbutspelledBroderick he has a lot of great panels in boruto manga I think u should look at early kishimoto work as well

[@mangekyosharingan2351]

Dude I've been saying this for awhile!!! Dbs art is so trash compared to z. Honestly dbs is trash af period aside from ultra instnct that shit was live cant lie

[@SatanbutspelledBroderick]

Lmao 🤣

[@superdbz456smashbros4]

It ain't trash if it was then why is dbs making bank 😂

[@SatanbutspelledBroderick]

@@superdbz456smashbros4 the name alone is why it’s popular, niggas love dragon ball

[@brandonsupreme8380]

​@@superdbz456smashbros4 no its trash boruto makes more bank right know the same shit happens in dbs thats why the anime is not back bcuc they are to lazy to give us moro and granolah arc they rather give us shitty fights like ultra insticnt vs gohan whp tf cares about that

[@superdbz456smashbros4]

@@brandonsupreme8380 no it doesn't guest the most popular and most popular db movies are super hero and super Broly guess what broke the internet in 2017 super guess what made characters relevant again super sorry bro super is making much more bank than boruto and people actually like super you may not like it but it ain't trash you just have bad tastes

[@TylenArcher-c1e]

I wish Masashi Sato wrote a Minato Spin-off Manga.

[@SatanbutspelledBroderick]

Yeah it was just a one shot manga unfortunately, still pretty decent tho

[@mawandembatha6622]

You mean draw cause Kishimoto was writing it

[@Chorusxdropoff]

Dragon ball supers art is good to great.

[@SatanbutspelledBroderick]

Eh it’s alright to looo at but the fights aren’t imo

[@nicolaspogacsas7271]

The art is tolerable. Character design is 5/10, and the action scenes are boring. Need more impact. Could use some inspiration from manga's like Baki.

[@SatanbutspelledBroderick]

For which one??

[@MrSai-mn8wz]

I hate boruto PFP users on Twitter and discord They are the most toxic MFs i have ever talked to and The new time skip designs made them even worse

[@SatanbutspelledBroderick]

Oh my😭

[@brandonsupreme8380]

Lol nooo its good

[@jagdishmaroo530]

Well thank god something point finger on this topic. And why don't they hire two artist one for action scene panels and one for other stuff. 🧐

[@SatanbutspelledBroderick]

No clue man

[@jagdishmaroo530]

@SatanbutspelledBroderick i think curly hair susuke look more smooth and better. What do you thing

[@jonathanolivier6932]

I dont really care , naruto is not about the art , its the story , ikemoto is alone also , i still prefer boruto over everything