The Disturbing Psychology of Toxic Champions

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@ImFlawedInEveryWay 2 ай бұрын

You've been making so many interesting videos lately, video topics I wouldn't think of. It's very refreshing to have videos that are still lifting related that are still fresh. Love your work Bromley

@Damiancates12 2 ай бұрын

seriously, one of my favourite lifting-related youtubers cuz the topics are so good

@arunkarthikma3121 Ай бұрын

Yeah, the content quality is amazing lately

@carterbennett655 2 ай бұрын

Sad to see that Alex’s attention span had withered so much that he can’t help himself from watching cocomelon on his iPad while he films.

@GabeQuihuis-Meza Ай бұрын

Wtf lol 😂

@AlessandroMoreschi-i5q Ай бұрын

Omfg SERIOUSLY !¿°!??!?!? COCOMELOM OMMFG !!!!! I don't understand !?? What's wrong with her ??? A whole lot, apparently !! Damn - cocomelon !!??!;!? Lmmfao wth

@efeisik0 Ай бұрын

real

@Kado1609 22 күн бұрын

@@AlessandroMoreschi-i5q did you remember to take your medicine today?

@AlessandroMoreschi-i5q 13 күн бұрын

@Kado1609 are you ok ? So I take it you like nasty mfers ? Gross !! But hey if that's what makes the dirty little +wa+ keep +wa++ing , +wa+ your little +wa+ away to your little +wa+s content.

@Loyaltyinthisbusiness 2 ай бұрын

Are you talking about Jon Jones

@azamat9842 2 ай бұрын

First thing that came to my mind

@user-mn9wc5ru5w 2 ай бұрын

Yeah, the thumbnail should have just been 3 seperate pictures of Bones from his different eras. Kid Bones, dominant champion Bones, and fat Bones

@sonnyb7612 2 ай бұрын

Talking about being crazy in this vid not crazy gay.

@grouchypotatowolfpack5580 2 ай бұрын

Was gonna say this myself.

@ivoryas1696 Ай бұрын

@@sonnyb7612 -Huh? 🤨-

@barnabyijt5012 2 ай бұрын

My Master's thesis was entirely on this concept. The most successful athletes are driven by negative and extrinsic factors, even if in the beginning it was positive and intrinsic. It becomes not about winning, but evading loss, not victory, but beating the competition. No longer feelings of achievement, but of relief that the plan was executed. No joy in the win, but anguish in defeat.

@benjames1497 Ай бұрын

Are there any prime counter examples? Buvaisar Satiev and Jordan Burroughs come to mind for me

@barnabyijt5012 Ай бұрын

@@benjames1497 oh for sure, you'll find them, and I wouldn't disagree, but from my cohort study (actively competing powerlifters within the ipf aged 18-30) there were statistically significant incidence rates within the TCA pointing to negative affect, anxiety, some potential compulsive tendencies. Most interesting was that intrinsic drivers that led people initially to the sport (enjoyment, sense of achievement, progress, personal development etc) became associated with them as they got higher level, and then became their identity to others, and so they were then competing to maintain their identity as "the athlete" not for their own desire to be. Of course this came from an angle and specific perspective but I found overwhelmingly that there was a sense of "I HAVE to train" not "I WANT to train", and a lot of language that's not dissimilar to that associated with addiction, rather than dedication.

@danielcoetser3664 Ай бұрын

Somehow I ended up reading your comment in the same tone/voice as a motivation video by MulliganBrothers.

@motominded5275 Ай бұрын

I think that's spot on and follows a quote from Ricky Charmichael, a famous Motocross rider to the effect of: I hate losing more than I like winning

@PhildoBaggins Ай бұрын

See all titled chess players

@jaredbanister6880 Ай бұрын

Where's Arnold Schwarzenegger? The man meets all four qualifications.

@nabillahlabat5570 Ай бұрын

Our wrestling coach was a great wrestler, he was always obsessed with training and practices were no nonsense, brutal sessions, but after the practice was done, he would laugh and joke with us, ask about our lives and basically treat us like his sons He never once had to insult us or treat us like shit

@johnny5red42 Ай бұрын

This is really true. You have walk the line between being hard and having empathy. If you are mommied all the time and quiet whenever things get hard you never win

@buttneked3963 Ай бұрын

Was the wrestling team winners???

@dsadad21 2 ай бұрын

Lmao when you said “believe conceive achieve” Michael Bispings voice immediately popped into my head “shut the fuck up!” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@srthyrdyjhy Ай бұрын

I'm a samurai.

@antonchizhov4419 Ай бұрын

You’re just an average bloke

@KoDaSMASH 2 ай бұрын

Going to 2025 USS Nationals thanks to alot of tips I’ve picked up from your channel. Thanks for all the information over the years

@BuJammy 2 ай бұрын

That is super colossal! Well done buddy.

@AlexanderBromley 2 ай бұрын

Awesome, man! Great to hear. Give em hell!

@Shape-esc 2 ай бұрын

Whats really shitty to be around is a guy with toxic winner mindset and mediocre ability. Had to train with a guy like that in Muay Thai it was a shit show.

@AlexanderBromley 2 ай бұрын

True! I had a whole other chapter about how the majority of people with these traits actually suck and become deadbeats and criminals.... but it was running long lol. I'd say there's also a dead-zone just below 'great' where these people will light themselves on fire because they are 'this close' to closing the gap.

@mustang8206 2 ай бұрын

@@AlexanderBromleyRelease that as another video

@HeadCrabbyPatty Ай бұрын

@@AlexanderBromleyImportant chapter. Too many deadbeats. Reminding people of this might make it less appealing.

@mariusastier8138 Ай бұрын

If they sucked that just mean they faked the toxic winner mentality . Many people are wannabe Tyson or Jordan but they just Fake it. If you don't Fake it you CANT be mediocre by definition

@HeadCrabbyPatty Ай бұрын

@@mariusastier8138Mediocre are mediocre even if they admit it?

@reallybigmike 2 ай бұрын

Surprised he didn't reference Lance Armstrong. He fits the triad to the letter.

@icephoenix1024 Ай бұрын

Yeah the way he lied about being clean... Stone cold.

@reallybigmike Ай бұрын

@@icephoenix1024 I didn't mind him lying about that... they all do. It's how he destroyed the lives of all the peope that tried to bring the truth out.

@icephoenix1024 Ай бұрын

@@reallybigmike Ok, didnt fully know that.

@ZekeMan62 Ай бұрын

@@reallybigmike He did Sheryl Crowe dirty.

@raminrouchi202 Ай бұрын

@@icephoenix1024everyone was taking PEDs AND lying about it. The biggest mistake Lance made was telling the truth. He was a champion who had one nut and still beat everyone on the level playing field and got robbed

@henrisummers6694 2 ай бұрын

You made a big mistake Webster! A big mistake!

@hipstar1 Ай бұрын

80s movie ahh quote

@kreidemadchen7291 2 ай бұрын

This is a great video like always, I have seen a few people touch on this topic and props to you to be the first one to propose a case against it instead of gloryfing it as the ultimate compromise with the sport

@MrGrace123 2 ай бұрын

I don't know how you managed it. This is a very complex topic and you did a superb job, bringing in psychology, childhood, negative gym environments, lasting legacy of the individual and the sport etc Impressive!!!

@theprodigalson4003 Ай бұрын

It’s fascinating. We all ought to delve into these topics so we may better understand our fellow man and how we are who we are

@vivander807 2 ай бұрын

OMG - that lecture on Machiavelli by Michael Sugrue (RIP) was part of a lecture series that I used to listen to in the factory on a beat up old cassette player some 25 years ago. On my break, I used to do barbell curls using the aluminum extrusions in my department. Thanks for the call back.

@AlexanderBromley 2 ай бұрын

I've been having the series play in the garage while I train! His channel is a goldmine.

@vivander807 Ай бұрын

@@AlexanderBromley that is awesome! Indeed they are. The full series contains as many lectures by a fella named Darren Staloff. I don’t know if you’ve gained access to those. Staloff is a nice counterpoint sugrue. Sugrue is more of a continental mind, while Staloff is more of an Anglo American logical thinker. Whoever said that you have to listen to death metal when pushing iron?

@suedunham1087 Ай бұрын

Sugrue was a beast, great lectures

@BrianNassar 2 ай бұрын

I loved watching this video! Great job with all aspects. I’ve been licensed professional counselor for over 25 years and you hit another one out of the park!! 💪🏽💪🏽

@AlexanderBromley 2 ай бұрын

Appreciate it!

@bondedcarbon 2 ай бұрын

Sports gives us a view into these types of mentalities, where they can actually be displayed since the fans have a remarkably forgiving attitude towards these traits when the person exhibiting them is a winner. The scarier part is that these types of ultra-competitive, Machiavellian and even sadist personalities are hidden in many high places in society at large

@poindextertunes Ай бұрын

🎯

@justinw1765 Ай бұрын

In the highest echelons of wealth and power, among the plutocrats (our modern day aristocratic "lords"), the true rulers behind the scenes of government and political theater, it is _primarily_ these types that dominate. It is learned/taught behavior and "values", it is genetics (some of these families are multi-generational over a couple of centuries, and it is now in their genetic patterns), and it is power corrupting all rolled into one. If people really knew how bad things truly were and how evil so many of these people are, most would lose it, because it is more scary and horrifying than any campy horror movie, because it is the banality of real evil but one we can't really fight and win against (at this point, unless there was mass unifying and then revolution and that is about as probable as right wingers and lefties coming together, all around the world tomorrow to hold hands and sing kumbayah). The type of evil that longs for the good old days of open slavery, while doing all it can to keep alive covert slavery.

@PJ-hi1gz 2 ай бұрын

Much better content than ranking pull-ups as C tier 😂 (joking, I do enjoy your content and perspectives)

@AlexanderBromley 2 ай бұрын

Now they're D!

@Vega01 2 ай бұрын

@@AlexanderBromleyGoing to WAR over D TIER PULLUPS

@Dave_Gunderson 2 ай бұрын

@@Vega01FAX

@AskYourWifeAboutMe 2 ай бұрын

Crazy talk

@johnkrstyen Ай бұрын

@@AlexanderBromley insert Greta saying "how dare you"

@atlaspowershrugged 2 ай бұрын

Counterpoint. Tom Haviland, loves animals, hates competing.

@notablediscomfort 2 ай бұрын

I really wish he would help with some kind of research program. His training can't be common knowledge.

@neal520 2 ай бұрын

@@notablediscomfort its literally just strongman training

@FlemetAeton 2 ай бұрын

@@neal520 The only difference might be more “cardio” like rucking that a lot of strongmen don’t do.

@samindaheath 2 ай бұрын

@@neal520 it really isnt

@gonzothegreat1317 2 ай бұрын

A Male Snow White

@Galamoz 2 ай бұрын

Watching this makes me remember that I grew up with narcissistic parents. It's an everyday walk to be rid of my own narcissistic traits. Winning at anything was empty and losing just hurt worse.

@brettmoss3652 2 ай бұрын

i’m happy you are exploring topics like this despite how it’s not necessarily the best topics for views. this is real passion and it shows your humanity and humility

@psyoperator 2 ай бұрын

I dont find it hard at all not to idolize any of these jesters.

@ognen4-dk5ln Ай бұрын

imagine calling mike tyson a jester. 😂

@josemarialaguinge Ай бұрын

Well, a lot of mfs do.

@psyoperator Ай бұрын

@@ognen4-dk5ln That's what he is.... feel free to worship him tjough. Maybe you can go to prison for SA as well!

@psyoperator Ай бұрын

@@ognen4-dk5ln No, just a convicted felon. Great idol you have there!

@JsPerspective Ай бұрын

😆😆😆💯@@psyoperator

@irliamthischool 2 ай бұрын

I feel like arnold gets a pass for his arseholism.

@leonkennedy9739 2 ай бұрын

Arnold gets a pass because he actually cared about people. The problem is he also had a bit of a drug problem in the late 70s and early 80s.

@HeadCrabbyPatty Ай бұрын

Within the bodybuilsing sphere he only cared about a select few and always worked to get the political advantage.

@SirKibble88 Ай бұрын

Never forget he was on the frontier of G4P

@PhildoBaggins Ай бұрын

@SirKibble88 gay for pay?

@YouTubeChillZone Ай бұрын

@Craig-k9d I am so amused by your American paradox where within 24 hours you could solve the problem of steroids in sports but nobody does anything about it even though the technology already exists that allows it. Your public opinion should finally decide whether to legalize this procedure and allow athletes to take medication or clean up the sport completely. I am writing about this because this constant debate about whether someone has taken or is taking drugs is completely pointless.

@kreidemadchen7291 2 ай бұрын

I cannot believe not only was Uruguay mentioned, but also in the most funny way possible

@904strengthclub Ай бұрын

Excellent video. Along with your comment about no eulogy ever involved a recap of the last meet, I realized my family will likely never remember my best lifts but they will always remember what kind of husband and father I am.

@marklawley3315 Ай бұрын

I think it was Vince Lombardi who said “winning isn’t everything, it is the only thing”. I believe later in life he regretted that attitude. It is easy to put someone like Kaz on a pedestal because of his determination and success, but in the end, it is how we treat others that counts the most, not how many awards or trophies we win.

@theprodigalson4003 Ай бұрын

Agree

@francescocapodieci3602 2 ай бұрын

I’m blown away-I was not expecting a caring discussion of antisocial behavior and developmental psychology in my fitness feed.

@ShinSuperSaiyajin 2 ай бұрын

This is like a longer form version of Zack Telander’s “Toxic Winner” video. This was great!

@mrgaudy1954 2 ай бұрын

18:30 I think it’s also important to know that just because you *CAN* endure something doesn’t mean that you *SHOULD* or that doing so will be a net positive towards your limited time on the earth.

@YouTubeChillZone Ай бұрын

None of us has the right to judge someone as long as it does not actually harm the other person. The family argument also falls under this principle, especially since people create relationships knowing their good and bad sides. Even when something unexpected occurs, divorces still exist So let people be people

@hannibalwantsahuggrande3433 Ай бұрын

@@KZbinChillZone enabling mentality

@deannicholas3772 Ай бұрын

Kaz always struck me as someone who was self important. I thought he would mellow with age but in subsequent interviews with Big Liz and others he smacked hard of narcissism and these clips certainly indicate such. Phenomenal athlete, sucky human being. Never meet your heroes.

@johnbackos5192 Ай бұрын

One of my former training partners met him and said he was an asshole.

@Philo68 Ай бұрын

Kaz is KING!!! Denied so many WSM titles - he will always be the GOAT.

@Paul_Strength Ай бұрын

Word!

@tmobile1wsx889 Ай бұрын

I hope you never get the chance to meet him he is the biggest idiot you will ever come across and a complete scumbag

@NDSOart 2 ай бұрын

What an interesting combo of athletic content and psychological drama. Love it!

@bryandarling8383 2 ай бұрын

Great video to think on. Not to mention Whiplash and Iron Claw are 2 of my favorite movies. Nice job Alex

@donaldjohnson7777 2 ай бұрын

Where's 1996 Shawn Michaels 😂

@kohp 2 ай бұрын

Kudos. From the complexity of the content to the way you delivered your opinions, well done.

@dabj9546 2 ай бұрын

25:01 *Steaks are the ultimate motivator!!!*

@AlexanderBromley 2 ай бұрын

Post edit, I was upset I let that pun opportunity go

@dabj9546 2 ай бұрын

@@AlexanderBromley hey that's what you've got us for!

@kra2111 2 ай бұрын

Hell yeah baby, a whole video dissing jon jones

@everythingstrength1485 2 ай бұрын

Not enough cocaine or spousal abuse😂

@lucaslouzada44 2 ай бұрын

Arnold should definitely be on the list…

@AlexanderBromley 2 ай бұрын

He's generally seen positively by most in the space, but he definitely has some of these traits. Married to a Kennedy and banging the 3/10 maid.... that takes a compulsive disorder lol

@1vootman 2 ай бұрын

@AlexanderBromley Alexander, I read somewhere that the Arnold types turn to philanthropy because they have pissed off and or hurt so many friends and family that it the only way to save face

@sleepyjo9340 Ай бұрын

@@AlexanderBromleyHis dad was a malignant narcissist, and his mom had ocd and probably cpstd.

@YouTubeChillZone Ай бұрын

If you wanted to name them all, it would probably take you a whole day, and I suspect that every successful person has these traits to a greater or lesser extent. Most of us simply don't care enough to develop such behaviors. You can explain it with laziness or just common sense, I'm not sure which one because if you think about it, there are arguments on both sides

@poindextertunes Ай бұрын

@@sleepyjo9340his dad was a n@zi if im correct

@CamerOneiric 2 ай бұрын

The only thing worse than the behavior of these types (especially Suarez) is the multitude of individuals who look past said behavior in worship of them. Stop applying different standards to guys who can hit a ball into a hole really well. It’s pathetic.

@justinw1765 Ай бұрын

Jon Jones and his myriad of fans come to mind. I don't know how anyone could or would want to put such a guy on any kind of pedestal other than being a great fighter.

@CamerOneiric Ай бұрын

@@justinw1765He is arguably the best example in MMA.

@bigcconservativeguy2534 Ай бұрын

Spoken like someone who has never achieved anything at a level that commanded fans/followers!

@DavidHuebel Ай бұрын

Suarez's biting was nothing but a source of embarrassment and humiliation for him, and he accepted that. He never tried to claim it as a strength. So many of the people mentioned in this video proudly owned their toxic behavior and presented it as a model of strength for others to emulate. Suarez never did. He got therapy so he could avoid doing it again. A truly tragic and harmful number of people who look up to Michael Jordan or Arnold Schwarzenegger want to emulate their psychopathy, because Michael and Arnold sold it as an element of their success. No kid who looks up to Luis Suarez wants to bite people. We're all damaged in some way. Some of us embrace our damage in a narcissistic way, glamorize it, try to spread it to other people, and others see our damage for what it is and strive for it to end with ourselves. Suarez deserves credit for choosing the latter path.

@grantmck9659 2 ай бұрын

Fascinating topic with some great insights. I find the psychological side of athletes Fascinating especially when you consider not just how rare it is to occupy that elite mindset but when other factors are added like steroids, cte, trauma or even organic mental illness.

@bigcconservativeguy2534 Ай бұрын

Steroids do not belng on that list. They do not create anything that isn't already there!

@ezrapierce1233 2 ай бұрын

*Furiously taking notes.

@theprodigalson4003 Ай бұрын

It’s fascinating. We all ought to delve into these topics so we may better understand our fellow man and how we are who we are

@adamspivey Ай бұрын

Idgaf, Kaz is the GOAT!

@meidanrrustemi8322 Ай бұрын

Sir, I've just discovered you, but your commentary is wonderful and your video quality is great 👍

@Dave_Gunderson 2 ай бұрын

Dope vid as always Big Brom 👍

@theupson Ай бұрын

yeah the jocks can be loud, boorish, and crass with their egotism, but it is positively adorable compared to the expressions of narcissism you see in business or academia. jon jones, arnold schwartzenegger, and bill kazmaier could have been the SAME GODDAMN PERSON and had nothing at all on isaac newton, let alone elon musk

@poindextertunes Ай бұрын

wut?? Musk lives off tax payer money lmao

@justinw1765 Ай бұрын

What was wrong with Newton?

@nichobee Ай бұрын

@@justinw1765 he was a giant see you NT

@xyaeiounn Ай бұрын

Elon Musk didn't brutally push to the front or cruelly climb to the top of anything. He was born up there and is still spending his life and fortune trying to compensate for his complete lack of personality. Wealth alone is why he has 12 kids, he's another whole video, about the dud aristocracy decorating humanity like a stupid party hat.

@2sve524 Ай бұрын

Subscribed. This type of content is really interesting, hope to see more of it in the future.

@arthurmont-morency5027 2 ай бұрын

You might disagree with Brom once in a while, but you can't deny he does great ass videos

@N1120A 2 ай бұрын

Interesting that Kaz has this rep, because I've met him twice and had dinner with him and he was a super nice guy

@AlexanderBromley 2 ай бұрын

I shook his hand and would say he was friendly, even charismatic. Did he ask you a lot of questions during dinner? Or was it like his interviews where he rambles about his records

@N1120A 2 ай бұрын

@AlexanderBromley the conversation was great, actually. It was at the 1999 Olympia and I was sitting with a couple people I'd made friends with and he walks up with a beautiful woman he was hanging out with and very politely asks if a couple seats at the table were free for them to sit. I said "of course" and he was super nice and we had a great conversation about history and strength sports generally. Saw him at the expo another day and he remembered me and was super nice. He then remembered me when we saw each other again like 4 years later.

@justinw1765 Ай бұрын

It's a very well known phenomenon among researchers of personality disorders, that they tend to be unusually charming, charismatic, magnetic, and/or likable when not actively being aholes. Read some of Dr. Hare's books for example, and him talking about going to prisons and talking to psychopaths who had murdered, graped, etc people. He said some of them were were almost supernaturally likable, to the point that he would forget momentarily that he was talking to a murderer, a grapeist, etc. He had to consciously remind himself of those facts with some of these folks. Think of cult leaders for example. They can't become cult leaders with followers if they don't have something that attracts other people. Based on my reading of various researchers, my caution actually goes up when I meet people that are unusually likable, charming, magnetic, etc. I have a tentative explanation for this "dark attraction" phenomena, but it is very metaphysical and most people aren't into such things.

@AlexanderBromley Ай бұрын

@justinw1765 totally, I support seeing "unusually charming/nice" as a red flag. Even if they aren't psychopaths, the average person is more heavily influenced by charismatic people than they want to admit. A lot of value in not being taken in by smiles and jokes.

@qwikscopez6619 Ай бұрын

One thing to consider aswell is, maybe you are the target of this video? Maybe you are the people propping up supposedly toxic people? Not necessarily on purpose but it could be worth assessing

@stevelynch5843 Ай бұрын

When it come to big Kaz I watched those WSM as a kid on TV when they came out and it was no wonder he wasn't invited back he was an azzhole, this whole "he was too strong bullsh!it" no he was bad TV and a poor sport, that's why he wasn't invited back

@iielysiumx5811 Ай бұрын

Yeah there’s this myth that he wasn’t invited because he was “too dominant”. No he wasn’t invited back because he endlessly abused staff and other competitors, bullied and mocked those around him and apparently would even call people up in the middle of the night to make fun of them just to fuck with them Guy was a grade A piece of shit back then. Not surprised at all he wasn’t invited back

@poindextertunes Ай бұрын

okay i never knew that. good point

@whitemountainapache3297 Ай бұрын

He spent years as a co presenter on World's Strongest Man.

@GuyFromTheSouth Ай бұрын

Yeah but it was great TV. He made it interesting.

@holdinmcgroin8639 2 ай бұрын

0:30 what was that guy gonna do with that cow

@oceanlindgren9540 2 ай бұрын

Looked like it was stuck in a tree and he was probably gonna try to cut it loose

@gatorgoode8574 Ай бұрын

You carry it everyday till it's fully grown

@steelmacecontinuum8696 Ай бұрын

Chainsaw dismemberment.

@jman2005 Ай бұрын

First time watching. Excellent video and breakdown. Even a snippet of Michael Sugrue from the philosophical angle. Well done. Liked and subbed...

@TheSLK66 2 ай бұрын

A reason why I like both Hooper and Stoltman, they're pretty good champions and pushing people to be better.

@mrgaudy1954 2 ай бұрын

It’s funny because people confuse Hooper’s *true* self drive and belief as arrogance when (from where I’m standing) he just accurately assesses his own abilities. He never talks down his opponents or says stuff he can’t back up. Tom Stoltman on the other hand is just wholesome, I honestly think he’d be unstoppable if he was half as cut-throat as somebody like Kaz. However, he’d be a lesser person.

@gabrielpeterson3991 2 ай бұрын

Hooper's personality is fake. He has incredibly thin skin.

@gsftbeast9761 Ай бұрын

@@mrgaudy1954I’ve been saying Tom is bit nice

@eladrio2311 Ай бұрын

@@mrgaudy1954when Thor won 5 out of 8 events he never was arrogant in any of his 5 speeches after winning one event. On the other hand Hooper wins a lousy "squat" event and goes "all the talk about who the best squatter is, we can put it to rest" 😅😂

@mr.noodles4410 2 ай бұрын

Feels like the actual real life people I know who do have those type of personality traits, just kinda suck overall? So at the very least, it feels like the majority of high achievers don’t embody all 3 or 4 traits at once

@kingofgirth8609 2 ай бұрын

That bit at the end about competition being important is so huge. Personally, I cannot function properly in an environment without competition, be it with others or myself. Even if you can't relate to that, there are so many benefits to competition, the biggest one imo is experiencing the perceived negative emotions that arise from competing. Demons like anxiety, aggression, low self esteem etc. will show up, but in a controlled, safe place and time, allowing you to get to grips with how you personally can deal with them. These things will show up outside in your life, and thanks to the time you put into dealing with them, you'll be in a good spot to tackle them where and when it really matters. Not everyone is the same ofcourse, some people have real disorders, but I believe for the majority, a decent amount of competition is not only healthy but necessary in a person's life

@Mangabe14 2 ай бұрын

In my masters program I have to right a paper this week on basically career burnout as being mental health counselors, part of the prompt is about personal life Paper is due Sunday but I think I’m gonna use this video as one of my 10-15 references I have on average

@bigcconservativeguy2534 Ай бұрын

I wouldn't if I was you. You don't cite anything but expert opinions if you want to be taken seriously!

@theprodigalson4003 Ай бұрын

⁠⁠@@bigcconservativeguy2534things only become established via people talking about them

@Tjwheat903 Ай бұрын

Excellent video, big fan of the long form content.

@MachoMaster 2 ай бұрын

I love these kinds of philosophy/behavior videos. Thank you!

@elliotbradshaw5612 Ай бұрын

Great video had me locked in the whole time just subscribed!!!

@DjDolHaus86 2 ай бұрын

The problem is that at the highest level, these negative social traits are desirable and effective particularly in solo sports. The same is true in the business world. Being a single minded cutthroat is often what it takes to gain an advantage over equally skilled competitors and this is only going to get worse as we progress further into the age of data driven, ultra-optimised athletes where the difference between good and exceptional is separated by a few percent. Obviously I don't want this personally but it'd be foolish to suggest that as the rewards (sponsorships and fame) are going ever upwards it doesn't create a breeding ground for ever more ruthless and dehumanised competitors.

@johnnickless2529 Ай бұрын

I felt this was a very thought provoking and informative video.

@vincentcrowley5196 2 ай бұрын

We could include Jose Mourinho, Muhmamad Ali , and as others here said, Arnold Schwarzenegger as examples of successful narcissism. According to Eddie Hall who admits he is narcissistic. Not to say they are bad people all round , just that the desire to reach the top level of what they were doing and be lauded by others drove them

@mrgaudy1954 2 ай бұрын

I think José more adopted a character when facing the media in order to be a showman and take pressure onto himself. Sir Alex Ferguson would do something similar albeit in a different way. If you listen to either man in a regular interview or when talking to (most) of their ex players you’ll see two men who were incredibly high performers but who emphasised what was best for the team and (unthinkable for a narcissist) are just as willing to talk favourably about (and give credit to) others. Players would run through walls for José and SAF, I don’t see them doing that for a narcissist.

@justinw1765 Ай бұрын

_"...Not to say that they are bad people all around..."_ Well that depends, are we talking true, pathological, diagnosed NPD, ASPD, and/or BPD, or just folks that have some traits and behaviors? By nature, someone fully/truly on say even just the NPD spectrum (the least worrisome of the above), necessitates that they have lower than average empathy, conscience and significantly higher than average self centeredness/self focus. The former (empathy, conscience, etc) is what makes a person "humane" and positive, while the latter is what equates to negativity, anti social behavior, and generally what most people consider as bad. But there are degrees, and even for people diagnosed to be on a spectrum, it is still a spectrum with a range. So maybe people like Ali, Hall, and Arnold were/are NPD light so to speak? (Though, Arnold I would argue is further on the spectrum than some of these others, not just with his infidelities, his manipulative competition behaviors, but more so the "screw your freedom").

@nichobee Ай бұрын

@@mrgaudy1954 what do you mean? Some narcissists are just better with people than others. Sir Alex's man management was manipulation glorified. He'd even let Eric Cantona get away with dressing a certain way while disciplining others for doing the same. And whenever Fergie sensed the first hint of his authority being undermined, you were straight out the door. Look at Beckham (probably another narcissist himself, he'd have sex with his own reflection if he could). Players stopped running through brick walls for Jose after Real Madrid. Part of it was just the buy-in into his methods, but he didn't evolve.

@OvercomingInertia919 Ай бұрын

"Gain of function petri dish of socialized dysfunction..." I'm stealing this

@defguy319 2 ай бұрын

This might be my favorite Bromley video

@logicisdead9871 Ай бұрын

When world's strongest man bans you from competition because you win too much, you know you're the man.

@ruckerbrady8342 Ай бұрын

That would have been an amazing thing to be able to say about Kazmire. If it were true would be alot more amazing than making sh$% up about yourself.

@poindextertunes Ай бұрын

@@ruckerbrady8342is it not true?

@TheMeatax 23 күн бұрын

Sick video Alex. Really good 👍🏼

@cuts240 Ай бұрын

I met and chatted up Bill - for 20 min. I did not have any issues. Was for 20 min only

@wesley_james_strength Ай бұрын

Wow! Fantastic topic, sports psychology of champions.

@MSHNKTRL 2 ай бұрын

Licis plays violin and paints - I wish I was half as nerdy as that.

@Publicistvideos 2 ай бұрын

Sorry to be the annoying “actually” guy, but the guys who crash landed in the Andes were a rugby team, not a soccer/football team

@eladrio2311 Ай бұрын

American talking about a south American team, it was bound to happen

@jeventry 2 ай бұрын

This video is peak. Incredible work.

@JRRichards123 2 ай бұрын

This presentation is fascinating. Truly. Where did you get the basis of these three pillars? Did you make it up? If so, very impressive. If not, what's the source? I want to know more.

@sun6262- Ай бұрын

was a nice video to watch and the points he made were stellar, in honor of the bulgarians i will start curling every day

@Αδιάφθορος Ай бұрын

Dude! Nice content and editing! So good guys truly finish last huh?..

@carljacobson7156 2 ай бұрын

I disagree with your point on the Holyfield-Tyson 1 fight - I think Tyson was trying to get disqualified because he was afraid of getting stopped again by Holyfield. BUT, this DQ loss was also humiliating to Tyson, who was always a Boxing Purist, that advocated a Boxer fighting until the end, win or lose. This DQ tactic was dishonorable and Tyson knew it - it violated the Code of the Fighter. That's also why Tyson, when he fought Lennox Lewis, fought bravely even though he was out-gunned and got stopped - Tyson needed to regain his Honor.

@Dracon7601 Ай бұрын

It was also a huge amount of headbutts in the second fight which lead to the ear biting.

@poindextertunes Ай бұрын

Holyfield head butted yf outta tyson

@qwikscopez6619 Ай бұрын

Tyson went to prison for rape, clearly biting someone's ear is below that

@ramieskola7845 26 күн бұрын

@@Dracon7601 I've reviewed many fights where Holyfield should be headbutting and found none. All I saw was a couple of accidental head collisions and one reckless head movement by the opponent. He did have the habit of bringing his head in contact in a close contact situation. I don't know if people are referring to that. I've also seen real intentional headbutts. They leave no doubts about the malicious intent.

@HighMaintenancePS Ай бұрын

If this comment gets picked up I suggest we going Bromley a new nickname. “The godfather”. Due to the amount of wisdom He is dispensing and the connotation reminds us to try not to idolise.

@whitenozze 2 ай бұрын

Life in shambles? Easy fix, don't be in shambles! Thanks brah, enlightening

@AlexanderBromley 2 ай бұрын

Think you missed the point there sparky. You see it as redundant because you know your life isn't supposed to be a mess. The people living out of their car, but still paying for a gym membership and chunk light tuna think that relationships and credit are just bullshit distractions in the way of their future Olympia placings

@whitenozze 2 ай бұрын

@AlexanderBromley sometimes isolation isn't voluntary and fitness is what brings joy to someone's life

@AlexanderBromley 2 ай бұрын

uh... ok. And sometimes people immerse themselves in things that feel good while they should be getting their shit together.

@whitenozze 2 ай бұрын

@@AlexanderBromley yeah, sometimes

@DomStronger Ай бұрын

This video was amazing, Thanks Alex

@kristinaback Ай бұрын

It’s the win at any cost attitude that clouds the fan/audience experience when the an athlete throws in mind games against opponents in strength sports. We’re looking for the best performance from everyone to help evaluate who truly is the best. Mind games mess everything up and trigger spectators with toxicity and make competition less honorable

@steffanofumo Ай бұрын

Personally I think the toxic mindset is completely necessary for greatness, what’s not necessary is having it turned on 24/7, a lot of champions have the ability to channel it during training and competition then reel it in afterwards.

@nichobee Ай бұрын

It's not necessary but does work for you faster. Like in star wars, the dark side of the force isn't necessary but it's still a powerful tool lol

@qwikscopez6619 Ай бұрын

I think then the next question people should ask but then don't ask is: Is greatness necessary? Are you that important? If greatness is the most important thing in your life you are trending slightly narcissistic

@nichobee Ай бұрын

@@qwikscopez6619 he's talking about sport you spoofer

@qwikscopez6619 Ай бұрын

@@nichobee I don't know why you seem to think that just because it's sport that it doesn't reflect on these people's personalities? These are traits you see in sports players that are reflections over their overall personality. Having an overwhelming need to be better than everyone else, to be the best to be more important than everyone else, does that not sound like supreme ego? If this person had the same drive in something else would they be a narcissist then? Is there some sort of rule our brains know about where sports are unaffected by our psychology? Why are so many of these sports players rampant abusers, sexual assaulters etc? I don't know I bet that narcissist mindset has something to do with it.

@nichobee Ай бұрын

@@qwikscopez6619 the way you worded your first comment seemed accusatory towards the OP

@roadagent5158 Ай бұрын

Great watch - really fascinating topic

@wayentruoc 2 ай бұрын

Goku mentality I need you to get better so I have someone to challenge me to get better. If you succeed I succeed

@Simon-d8n Ай бұрын

This is such a good video. Myself. I just don’t look up to super toxic people. Yes Thai video. Outlines. A few. For sure.

@cjmorgani3642 Ай бұрын

I was too young to really take in the whole Romanowski craziness, but I do remember Brian Cushing being a bit of a Romanowski lite. I find it interesting people will excuse these guys from their actions if they’re good enough. Treating it as if you need to be that extreme to succeed. Yet, ignore guys like Jeter or Gretzky (I don’t know hockey well so maybe he was like Jordan, but from the outside it doesn’t appear so) that to achieved greatness without being some beyond the limits raging psycho.

@poindextertunes Ай бұрын

Gretzky was just smarter than everyone at the time. much like Patrick mahomes now

@bigcconservativeguy2534 Ай бұрын

Dont kid yourself. Gretzky is a big of a prick as any of them!

@qwikscopez6619 Ай бұрын

@@poindextertunes then why don't we encourage being smarter at the time of we know all this stuff leads to worse human beings?

@MichaTheLight Ай бұрын

I was also was sad that Kaz showed such bad sportsman ship in the case with the barrels so eon could have been seriously hurt or even die

@justinw1765 Ай бұрын

Excellent breakdown, just gave a like/upvote. I wish more people would call out the aholes and aholish behavior in sports. Very interesting bit of information, in Dr. Hare's book about Psychopathy/ASPD, _Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of the Psychopaths Among Us_ Hare discusses a case of two identical twin girls raised in a loving, well adjusted household. One twin had very clear ASPD traits and behaviors, and the other clearly didn't and had normal levels of empathy, conscience, etc. Kind of makes one wonder, what could be going on in such cases where genetics and nurture clearly aren't major factors? Folks I would put on at least the NPD list would be Arnold, maybe Eddie Hall somewhat, definitely McGregor and Jon Jones, Greg Doucette, and most of the fitness influencers out there-especially folks like Mike O'Hearn. And Larry Byrd was almost as bad as Jordan. But honestly, I would rather focus more on recognizing the good sportsplayers like Mitchel Hooper, the Stoltman brothers, etc.