The Downfall of Joe Swanson (Family Guy Video Essay) (Featuring Lydia Loves Timelines)

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[@LydiaLovesTimelines]

Thanks for inviting me on Kitty, its always interesting talking about "punching-bag" characters. But Joe certainly seems the most tragic just because of *why* he's picked on, and by how many - even his wife hates him! Luckily Joe remains to be one of the funniest characters, which is something that even his biggest bully Peter can't deny, "I know I crap on you alot, but sometimes when I'm driving I think about stuff you said and I laugh."

[@SuperUltraSaiyan]

Thanks Lydia for showing a new amazing channel both of you are amazing

[@charliecomer6001]

Does this mean that a Meg episode might be in the near future? Cause while they do treat Joe poorly, it's nothing compared to how Meg is treated. Yes, she has her darker moments show more frequently in comparison, but given what she's been through, is it really that surprising? Her school bully not only put the ark of the covenant in her locker, but Lois and Peter got into a fight when Meg was considering college. We don't see the fight, we just see a tremendously battered Peter say" I'd be happy to drive you meg". Now while this does say something about Lois as well, the fact that being a parent was the consequence of losing the fight. Honestly, the only character who is consistently nice to her is quagmire; and he's only doing it to lure her in.

[@dolce_enigma2354]

Southpark= lets make fun of everyone Family guy= lets destroy our own characters fast

[@brandonscott5544]

GREAT KITTY MONK AND LYDIA LOVES TIMELINES ❤ 💚💙💜

[@LowellLucasJr.]

Always great to have you on board Lydia!❤ You and Kitty Monk do great collabs!!!

[@michaelhegwood9977]

Joe kind of represents the change to meanness with modern Family Guy, originally the joke was "Joe is really intense despite being in a wheelchair and Peter is ignorant about Joe being in a wheelchair" but now it's just "Joe sucks because he can't walk".

[@fuck_it]

yeah, it’s messed up how they really took Joe’s character ability to stand on his own… did that one do anything for you? I’ll see my way out.

[@twilightsparkle75]

not only is it "joe sucks cause he cant walk" they had to tag on "and he makes everyone's life around him significantly worse"

[@bepybipebomb6938]

feels ableist..like its trying to be relatable humor to ppl who think disabled ppl are burdens @@twilightsparkle75

[@HitsugiHime]

And mocking things that relate to people with disabilities like some need to wear diapers. That’s just mean honestly

[@RoseRose-hp4rq]

I am a high school teacher, and I started teaching in 2004. In my first few years of teaching, not a day would go by where I would not hear a Family Guy quote. I would always pretend I didn’t know what the kids were talking about, but was secretly laughing because it was one of my favourite shows as well.

[@graphicremoved2539]

Being one myself, I can confidently confirm that most suburbanites will happily trade their safety and security for a good ol' fashioned sense of community.

[@JaxonElzinga]

Those Child's Play/Chucky references were truly cultured

[@EboArmadillo]

Part of me wonders if the reason why everyone treats Meg like a...how you say...doo doo diaper, is that they know if they treat with any sort of basic respect, she will proceed to obsess, stalk them, and intrude into their lives.

[@PeterFrikadelle]

Got Lydia on here too, that's so awesome!

[@scp173...]

Wait bonnie is a serial killer???

[@alexvaughan1013]

How did Family Guy take the 'inspiring handicapped character' and turn him into a punching bag for constant handicap jokes??

[@carmel9583]

At the very least Jimmy Valmer is more inspiring than Joe now

[@the1magageneral323]

Some of them work

[@DrakeKnight99]

Cheap and lazy jokes

[@urmom-cz3zf]

because seth mcfarlane stopped writing for the show

[@MakotoKinoSailorJupiter2020]

Bad writing

[@codyssmith73]

Here’s the sad thing: OG Joe would’ve made for a terrific spin-off had they focused on his job as a cop.

[@byronrush9802]

Exactly which is why he didn't get the spin off Cleveland did hell I would have watched a show strictly about Quagmire

[@Wumbonington]

@@byronrush9802 Imagine a spin-off of Family Guy starring Quagmire in an almost Breaking Bad styled Show. It would never happen because Seth is incapable of making a show that takes itself seriously but it would still be cool as shit

[@byronrush9802]

@@Wumbonington now you said it I kind of want that show but as you said Seth could never make it I barely watch family Guy now they've pretty much turned every character that had morals on the show into a punching bag or a sad abomination of themselves

[@MaxiemumKarnage]

"I'M FLYING. I'M FLYING!"

[@gremblorthesackgoblin7953]

@@Wumbonington Hell, Seth hasn't touched the show in a decade (sans voice) and its *just* recovering from the mentality that he firmly labled it back then. Its gotten better, but most of the people that fought Seth from ruining "Brian Wallows and Peter's Swallows" arnt there anymore. When FG comesback from this Hiatus, I hope it gains writers who will continue putting the soul back into it.

[@loneronin6813]

Joe is the one character who got ruined worse than Brian, and it's even more heartbreaking, which is saying something.

[@kaitlinklassen6527]

The whole joke behind Joe’s character is supposed to be the fact that he paralyzed from the waist down and yet he’s still the most confident, competent, physically fit and self sufficient dad on the block. And that was a really creative character choice.

[@shadowleon659]

I hate how the writers of Modern Family Guy ruined many beloved characters. Joe Swanson is only there to make handicapped jokes.

[@icecreamhero2375]

They had to pivot his character because they had trouble coming up with jokes. Moral: When making characters design them with function in mind. Example: Paul Germain the co creator of Rugrats said he designed the characters so that there is push and pull. If Tommy is the intrepid leader, Chuckie is the scardy cat.

[@shadowleon659]

@@icecreamhero2375 I miss the old Joe who was a badass handicap.

[@icecreamhero2375]

@@shadowleon659 He still gets bada** moments occasionally.

[@moodyowlproductions4287]

Not all of them,one of them...30falls

[@shadowleon659]

@@moodyowlproductions4287 Family Guy is dead and it sucks. I stopped watching it in 2015.

[@RenoReborn]

You need to do a video about how terrible Bonnie is post pregnancy, specifically the Foreign Affairs/Internal Affairs episodes

[@lexyruse603]

Exactly! And then the show tries to make you believe that Bonnie always hated Joe after he became paralyzed but that's clearly not the case in the earlier seasons.

[@MrGabeanator]

I 2nd that motion

[@honeybadger7764]

I think what they tried for was a slow move from Bonnie loving Jo to her resenting him for wasting her life. It might be what you say but it's also a potential scenario for a couple with that dynamic because they were together before Jo became paralysed. Jo can't help it but it is a strain on the relationship, Most people don't consider the possibility of their partner becoming paralysed or what it would entail looking after them they might think they're prepared or that they can manage however that isn't always the case. Working in an aged care facility has given me this insight, Not everyone in there is there because they are too old some are there because conditions become unmanageable and more assistance is needed.For example I remember an episode where Jo explains that they have sex once a year since that's when Jo can rent out the equipment, This could coincide with Bonnie looking for other sources to satisfy herself for the rest of the time she's waiting on the equipment. Not excusing it but you can see the line of thought.

[@Divinely_Authentic888]

that’d be nice

[@doomcool7960]

Chris was a misunderstood artist to a dumb teenage son, stewie evil genius to effeminate gay baby, Brain only sane man to wannabe intellectual, peter was bumbling well meaning dad to sociopath man child there was a lot of characters that time ruined in this show

[@BrightWulph]

The fladerisation is real. .

[@icecreamhero2375]

To be fair 1) artists can be dumb 2) Chris's art was only a focus in a few episodes 3) Chris is dopey but no nearly as dumb and hyperactive as Peter.

[@alexvaughan1013]

Mort went from a geeky pharmacist who occasionally hangs out with Oeter and the guys, to "lol Jew jokes!" Not even Cartman rips on the Jews this badly!

[@meme-ih1wb]

I can deal with Stewie he's character actually became more likeable to me but the rest oh god. Plus we don't talk about Peter who's just a complete jackass. I mean he was an ass before but now it's just unbearable

[@Manmeetsboy]

Joe turned from one of the most badass characters in the show to just a depressive sack of potatos, and the worst of it all is that bonnie, in every episode she hates him and tries to kill him, but the seclnd he tries to do something good for himself suddently she starts caring and tries to stop him from having fun, which sucks because they used to love eatch others so much in old episodes, but now they just try soooo hard to force "blah,blah, wife hates husband" bullcrap

[@Zacman1123]

Not only do I hate how Joe is treated in the later seasons but I hate how they made Bonnie.

[@lexyruse603]

Exactly. Bonnie cheats on Joe all the time but at the same time gets upset when Joe is the one who leaves HER!

[@scriggle3564]

Yeah Bonnie genuinely loved Joe in the earlier seasons now she wants to kill him now for some reason?

[@blueizumi]

@@lexyruse603 and as if that wasn’t bad enough now she’s just casually shown trying to kill him…wtf

[@raven3067]

It breaks my heart to see a beloved character like Joe take the same nonsensical route like all the other characters. He was meant to be the best of the Spooners St residents.

[@Dez861]

As a wheelchair user, Joe's introduction was actually really refreshing. Every other time you'd see a disabled person on television back then, it was through the "inspiration p0rn" lens. We were on-screen to do average things, be hailed as heros for tying our shoes, and make the non-disabled audience feel good. Joe was an intelligent, capable, salt-of-the-Earth guy that you could see yourself spending time at the Clam with. Now, it's just: "His legs don't work! Isn't that so FUNNY?" I would be offended if it weren't so pathetic. (Just a heads-up, most of us, if not all of us, find terms like "handicapable" to be incredibly condescending, words like handicapped and disabled are not dirty words, you don't need to pretty them up.)

[@debbieagyeman3595]

Wait so wut r the right terms so ppl can be inclusive or just not being discriminatory?

[@saltytwofer]

Yeah, I was just talking about this with my partner last night. So many of these new terms we're supposed to use come from various lobby groups and activist sects fed into from academia and privileged circles. It's not organic or bottom up, it's top down. Heck, even Latino Democrats in CT tried to ban the use of latinx in state briefings. Pushback to this highlights what our culture actually is, versus what a disconnected media circuit tries to disseminate into it. Social media is just the segment of the country that uses social media, and from there, the loudest voices reign.

[@corabloom5959]

Yes finally someone sees it! Have a crush on original Joe because out of all the men in Family Guy Joe is a doting father and a loyal husband. He's able to balance being a cop and spending time with his family. He's not perfect but was tired of seeing TV dad's be horrible to their families or prioritize work over them, Joe is finding a healthy balance AS A COP THATS A DEMANDING JOB! Was so pissed how Bonnie treats him. Like he's loyal, he fights crime, he forgives her he doesn't ditch her and she treats him like shit. Meanwhile Peter can be an ass to Meg and Lois yet be seen as a favorite. 🤦‍♀️ Was hoping to see them split just so Joe could realize to value those who actually like him like his kids and friends and maybe a new nicer love interest.

[@Dez861]

​@@debbieagyeman3595 None of us have ever had an issue being called disabled. "Handicapable" is a term invented by the non-disabled community in an attempt to ... remind themselves that we're human beings, I guess? Or, make themselves feel like they're doing something helpful? I really don't know the how or why behind it; I just know that it was never ours, and we don't claim it.

[@MoostachedSaiyanPrince]

Wait, there are people out there that use the term "handicapable" in a way that isn't intended to be condescending or insulting? WTF? It literally sounds as condescending as possible. Like the only way you could be it more insulting about it is by openly mocking their disability. Like using that exaggerated calming tone you use to talk at a baby or when speaking with someone with some kind of mental disorder that makes them extremely excitable or easily agitated.

[@austinmorrison6953]

Remember when Joe was a badass who didn’t let a silly little thing like bum legs stop him? The guy who stared down a giant mutant rat saying “BRING IT OOOOOONNNN!!!!”? Clearly the writers don’t anymore. Are there any characters on the show who haven’t been butchered? No seriously I’m genuinely asking if there are. I can’t tell anymore

[@DJPrimeAmvs]

Im no medical expert but my guess is that the bullets damaged his legs beyond repair. Ironically by retconning his first backstory with Bobby Briggs, the episode where he gets new legs only to get shoot in the spine late in the same episode sorta makes his condition consistent lol

[@lennoxfilm]

Joe is terribly written now, but you also see a significant decline in The Griffin family as whole (i e. Lois)

[@MegaMisha1997]

I had the same exact thought about that episode with Joe’s restored spine. He shouldn’t have lose his legs by his friends and wife’s fault. He needed to lose those by his own reckless nature

[@SilverScribe85]

Joe's downward spiral is one of many reasons why Modern Family Guy is so terrible. Not only are a lot of the jabs at him being handicapped cruelly mean-spirited but they treat him like he's a worthless burden that needs to die. There are plenty of people with handicaps that are just as successful as "normal" people, if not more

[@undeadprincess5726]

It was the treatment towards him and Meg that turned me off the show. They went from fleshed out people to just punchlines, shadows of their former selves. Even Bonnie hates her husband now, I'm not even sure where that came from.

[@ZyroShadowPony]

As someone who lived in the suburbs all his life i will say it depends on the neighbors. My current neighbors are latin like my family so it was easier to get to knownand greet them to the point my mom would do the typical "give this dish to the neighbors". Only instead of pie or casserole it was like cookies sent from family in Mexico, empanadas or popusas.

[@yaw_cg_md]

I'm a Dr and it's medically impossible for him to become a paraplegic after getting shot in the legs.

[@vinniy32]

While I’m not a physical therapist, I have gone through it because of nerve damage thanks to two car accidents. It’s possible that Joe could have went to PT, but the damage was too much for him to completely recover. Alternatively, perhaps he decided to decline the physical therapy as a reminder of what happened, only to realize that being crippled isn’t too terrible. These are pure speculation, of course.

[@pancakeboi6797]

I love Lydia. I’m so happy you guys collabed.

[@BunnyGirlMet]

Hey Kitty. I don’t know how to say this without sounding awkward but here I go. I remember finding you when you had about 8000 subscribers. It’s amazing to see how much you’ve grown. Congratulations on all the growth. I really enjoy your content and I hope you keep making these really entertaining video essays. That’s all. Thank you.

[@juiceoverflow]

erm.... awkward much? FAIL

[@lancerguy3667]

A couple years back Family Guy did a gag where the Bob’s Burgers family was in the room with them, and Peter roasted them. When he got to Louise, he quipped about her ear-hat “boy I love it when characters are expressed by props!” I remember watching that scene, and thinking, “that observation may have had a bit more bite if you’d managed to tell one joke about Joe in the past 10 years that didn’t revolve around his wheelchair.”

[@meme-ih1wb]

That's funny because I prefer Bob's Burgers over modern family guy. Bob's Burgers is wholesome and funny to me

[@nontrashfire2]

" The customer is always right in choosing what they chose." That's the full quote.

[@AngryPug76]

Fun fact, $20,000 bill WITH insurance for a child birth is not uncommon. The insurance “joke” of Family Guy is that’s how American insurance often works.

[@RaynmanPlays]

These are 100% valid criticisms, but it should be noted that it _has_ gotten better recently. Joe's less of a sad sack in more recent seasons. In fact, to their credit, Family Guy writers have been taking the criticisms from the community to heart.

[@peterversionone]

I laughed at that Jimmy impression Edit Damn Kitty, you should apply to be a writer for Joe episodes on Family Guy, the endings you make are really heartfelt and shows what FG used to be(Joe getting legs)

[@pancakeboi6797]

Also not to mention the reason why family guy has tanked so much over the years is because Seth macfarlane hasn’t written the show in ages, he just does the voices. He even admits that he wish he ended the show after season 7. I love family guy during the earlier seasons, but it’s just become very mean spirited over the years. South Park does shock humor right for the most part, and that’s why South Park is my favorite animated sitcom.

[@Jade_Bunbun]

I thought Seth only wrote one episode of the show?

[@mitchfletcher2386]

​@@Jade_BunbunHe wrote several episodes during Season 1.

[@Jade_Bunbun]

@@mitchfletcher2386 what episodes were those? from what im finding hes only written the first episodes of seasons 1 and 4 and thee 21st episode of season 3

[@wahoo8683]

Never thoughr tou finally get to do some Family Guy content until now. Your really going places this time around Kitty. *Insert random cutaway gag around Kitty herseld of that that one time*

[@scootbonds8797]

Lydia said to check you out, I did, and I'm impressed. Gonna subscribe as soon as I finish commenting

[@stonefree7973]

The collab we didn’t know we needed:

[@MrGabeanator]

I’ve always liked joe for 2 reasons 1 voiced by Patrick warburton and his always great and 2 I’m in a wheelchair 🦽 myself so I relate to him personally

[@Lboogie0711]

This story has been told so many times though, I thought that the Christmas version of the story was more sentimental but then there was the insurance version which was worse. I prefer the Christmas one

[@noobpro9759]

Yes this is how they greet each other when first seeing each other. As someone raised by inner city kids the first time it happened they were very confused but liked it.

[@iceluvndiva21]

Honestly? Joe, Bonnie, Meg and Brian, are still my favorites because they give 'e pleanty of headcanon fodder. Yes, even in the current season.

[@Gaarakunpro]

I would've loved a spinoff series about Joe being a cop maybe throw in a background before he became paralyzed. I wouldve loved that more than the Cleveland show which was rather disappointing in my opinion. Also I feel like they could've done a service to vets and active military if Joe's son went MIA due to PTSD. More depth for the character.

[@meme-ih1wb]

Tbh I was okay with the Cleveland not one of my favorites but I do like Cleveland until he came back into the show

[@pessimisticprofessorfarnsw3241]

An American dad episode where trump was one of Roger's personas would be absolutely hysterical.

[@RaylinKHD]

Actually Kitty Monk you're wrong about the phrase "The Customer is always right". Its actually an incomplete quote, the full quote is "The customer is always right when it comes to taste". It means the customer knows what they want but that doesn't mean you should fold to their every desire

[@zachpierce2994]

I got GOOSEBUMPS with that Unwind book reference!! I’ve literally never heard anyone reference unwind, and it was one of my favorite childhood series

[@nicholassims9837]

Dont forget Cleveland Show where Donna speaks to Joe as if he was those special people in wheel chairs ala Timmy .

[@JDWalker495]

Family guy used to balance comedy with some wholesomeness, but in later seasons they just made everyone into an asshole to tell stupid dark jokes

[@dolce_enigma2354]

Im curious is anyone else worried for seth green with how much they bash him in-show

[@raven3067]

Please make a analysis video about Quagmire.

[@MeCooper]

Just on the diaper thing, There are a multitude of different issues and solutions when it comes to bowel movements and paraplegia. One of the best _(which also crosses over with a community of elderly people)_ is having a colostomy fanny pack. Just a fanny pack filled with poop, You can imagine how often that becomes an issue at airports and other places where a bag check is required. You've got to have a sense of humor about that kinda stuff. Diapers for a paraplegic is actually a joke in itself as most organs continue to function normally after spinal nerve damage.

[@debbieagyeman3595]

Wow I can’t believe Lydia and KM know each, what a great Collab😊

[@ChannelMiner]

Another great video, Kitty the Female.

[@MrRobot1984]

Stopped watching after the first few seasons. But I remember he had a son that they forgot about and the running joke of his wife always pregnant

[@DrakeKnight99]

He came back after deserting the military and is now the stereotypical PTSD marine

[@plawson8577]

@@DrakeKnight99And now voiced by Steve Smith.

[@moxxiedemongamer3019]

2:53 and that's where I'd think the show of Family Guy went down hill after the episode Not All Dogs Go to Heaven

[@neen2660]

I’m sure most of joes insurance was maxed out by his own needs. All those contraptions and such

[@UJEvans]

I wasnt prepared for all the Tiffany Valentine-Ray quotes. lol

[@jtszabo1691]

I love when Lydia partners with other KZbinrs on her channel, it’s a treat to see her on here. Keep up the good work, both of you

[@alittlebitofhistory7712]

Im a guy in a wheelchair and i approve of most of jokes , they are probably written by someone in a wheelchair or someone that has someone close to them in wheelchair. Its kinda cool he goes up and down to. Because you have good and bad days. Even if you have accepted your condition. But he was the first main character i saw that actually made relatable jokes. When you are a kid like Jimmy in South Park you dont really care that you are different. That comes when you get older. So it makes more sense . At least my point and my experience

[@schnoorsaibot313]

Did I spot a Lemony Snicket reference at around the 8 minute mark? Great video essay!

[@alexvaughan1013]

In Joe's first episode, is it bad that I found the JFK Pez Dispenser joke so funny?! Early Family Guy's dark jokes worked so well because they were more infrequent, not drawn out and not excessively gory.

[@machoman1016]

I thought Patrick was going to hell for having pre married sex with Elaine (1000000 points if you got that reference).

[@locus7106]

"The Customer is Always Right" is a shorthand of "The Customer is Always Right in the Matter of Taste", personally I despise the former especially considering how often it gets used to basically be a dick to workers who are just trying to do their jobs

[@mistahrnscuttah4120]

Man I watch both channels n was thinking they should do a video together. Then boom lol

[@carmel9583]

I love Lydia

[@LydiaLovesTimelines]

Hey, thank you ☺

[@dark-winged-angel136]

@@LydiaLovesTimelines I've been curious about this:Do you actually resemble your avatar or is it drawn in the American Dad\Family guy art style?

[@moodyowlproductions4287]

His down fall has not started....yet....30falls

[@fazormcghee7936]

Ngl going from Lydia's voice back to kitty's is a bit jarring

[@Lynn17]

I like your theory that Peter's behavior is why everyone's character took a nose dive. Especially Brian, I can totally see him turning to alcohol more and more and becoming the pretentious douche he is today because Peter's behavior stressed him to the breaking point. He didn't just act like a dad to Stewie, he basically had to parent all the kids in some way, especially when Lois snapped and became as shitty a parent as Peter.

[@PhilipMurphyExtra]

Cheap and lazy jokes, Family Guy is not worth watching and a waste of time.

[@dwightsimpsonjr.7636]

Yes neighbors do especially when you a new neighbor😕!

[@moxxiedemongamer3019]

I've always Loved Family Guy even though I'd don't usually catch the show nowdays and there other Adult Cartoons that I'd found much funnier then Modern Day Family Guy like South Park and Rick and Morty and American Dad even though I'd find American Dad to be a lot better and funnier then Family Guy with it's characters and jokes

[@kjprodouctions9050]

Glad to be among fans of the show

[@meme-ih1wb]

Yes me too the older family guy was peaked comedy but now it's just well there. I personally like South Park and American Dad to alongside with Bob's Burgers

[@icecreamhero2375]

Forigen Affairs is one of the worst episodes ever. It had two plots that were very boring. It was also annoying that Lois was trying to get Bonnie not to cheat when she cheated on Peter on numerous occasions. Also you are supposed to cheat on people secretly. Why did she bring Lois? The plot about Peter Homeschooling the 😢kids went nowhere.

[@mindybouvier5416]

It cracks me up that you called an episode that came out in 2011 modern

[@anthonycrazynessadventures3259]

Also there’s a villain from family guy that had wasted potential and he is Bertram stewies arch enemy

[@moxxiedemongamer3019]

33:36 and yet No Wonder the episode The Hand That Rocks the Wheelchair is one of my least favorite Family Guy episodes because of Meg's crush on Joe being disturbing

[@e_eyster]

Neighbors introducing themselves is kind of a thing... I know in my condo area I will try and introduce myself a bit to a new upstairs or next door neighbor just mostly so I know who they are and they know who I am. Never to try and make friends, but just more of "you will see me a lot, I will see you a lot, its best if we recognize each other and maybe even know names"

[@KelliGreenIvy]

Also …what’s with Joe’s occasional comments about not liking Puerto Ricans …? It happens on the restaurant episode, kind of in the Meg in love with him episode , and he also super does not want to go to the Chicano festival on the Briggs episode. …I think he even has some odd interactions with Cleveland. I feel like they just throw that prejudice trait on him at whim and it’s odd.

[@moxxiedemongamer3019]

2:23 I'd for once think Trump Guy should have been an American Dad episode instead too it could have been better with Stan fighting against Trump

[@undeadprincess5726]

I could imagine Stan being excited to meet the new president, slowly finding out how unfit he is for office. He has conflicting feelings about it at first because the people voted for this man to be in office, so he must be somewhat competent. Eventually, he lashes out after ages of trying to be polite (because he's the president).

[@jplayzow]

I haven't served but from what I've heard soldiers generally aren't supposed to go meddling in on foreign affairs when overseas so I don't believe it was his job to stop nor in his power to stop let alone kill a civilian

[@alexkumaratunga2834]

1:30. To be honest, both Family Guy and South Park had terrible influences on adult animation (regardless of quality). Mostly Family Guy sure, but South Park's not entirely clean either.

[@Buterscotch_pie]

Even though i never watched Family guy, i saw lost of moments of this show and i liked Joe, he's my favorite character out of any other in this show. And i find it very sad that the creators made Joe somewhat dumb and miserable person to match everyone else in Quahog

[@bramblechaser162]

I genuinely used to enjoy family guy but now I despise it. And honestly one of the biggest parts is because of Joe. Joe used to be a great character now it’s just sad to watch. As someone who has cerebral palsy and as a person who has friends in wheelchairs. I’m not a snowflake either I love what South Park does with their disable characters family guy is a ghost of its former self

[@JimTheCurator]

Weird that they named the perp Bobby Briggs, that's the name of an important character on Twin Peaks.

[@firegodmiguel]

They say that Joe got disabled from being shot in his legs but medically his injuries are more consistent with a lower spinal cord injury. The fact that he has to use a catheter and wear diapers and is hinted at being unable to get an erection to have sex tells me that there's spinal nerve damage at play vs just his legs. He's just paraplegic because the level where the spinal cord ends is above where the nerves that go to the legs so the legs lose function as a kind of downstream effect. But yh if he just got shot in his legs physical therapy might've been able to have him keep his ability to walk

[@AJSSPACEPLACE]

21:52 Ew! why would i let my money rot in a bank account?! investments are where you keep your money! keep your assets circulating so you can outrun inflation for just a bit longer

[@moxxiedemongamer3019]

it's SAD how the show fell from Grace when Joe was gotten WORSE of being in a toxic marriage with Bonnie

[@ashy_inking1476]

Are you a real person??

[@moxxiedemongamer3019]

@@ashy_inking1476 yes

[@ashy_inking1476]

@@moxxiedemongamer3019 Mhm, just checking. I thought you were a bot due to your abundant amount of comments

[@Ghostmobile-j8s]

"holy crio he's a crapple" That line has made me laugh harder than it has any right to.

[@Eltrio2]

17:26) That's probably what happened. Joe likely didn't wanna be thought of as a wuss, so he fudged some of the smaller details. He's lied before.

[@GabrielleHanna-h4u]

I HATE the momebts wheb they walk you to the point of the jokes. Let me think about it and have my "oh nooooooo!" moment!

[@vandavis000]

Ive switched to american dad. Family guy got bad. And i hate how bad they treat joe. I love patrick warburton❤

[@eraserheadbaby25]

Bobby Briggs? that's gotta be a Twin Peaks reference ain't no way it's not

[@dylanthomas385]

Ya it’s sad joe is one of the better more moral characters in the show who suffers because of something beoned his control and despite this is steal a good cop how catches a lot of criminals furor he show f Bonnie

[@Johnsmith99663]

Family Guy’s been around for 25 years yet somehow not a single episode is canon.

[@OH_MY_DOGGG]

Joe Swanson was to Peter as Ned to Homer. That isn't tremendously original. But it follows the rules.

[@thethiccwarrior6675]

I don’t mean to be ignorant or malicious, but if he doesn’t have the ability to use his legs, how does he drive?

[@OkamiKUN-of3nv]

he can walk but not unless if the femoral nerve is damaged, which could result in paralysis

[@Bolbi145]

Patrick Warburton’s mom is a member of the parent’s television council, they hate any show that isn’t clean, like they also hate South Park as well

[@Rangnathebloodedge]

When I watched that episode when pater is mentally disabled it made me mad i am mentally disabled i don't use mine to do anything I want

[@DarkSeraph95]

I miss the old Joe. In the beginning he was intense and didn't let being handicapped keep him down. Now it's his entire character

[@supernew10doh64]

Joe getting crippled by the Grinch is not unrealistic in the world of Family Guy considering that Spider-Man makes a fairly regular appearance in the world and apparently knows Peter by name Meg at one point was dating Super Mario and Peter apparently has regular fights with a giant chicken that regularly destroy the town. Joe getting crippled by the Grinch is not unrealistic in this world

[@dolce_enigma2354]

You forgot she was also seeing Luigi lol

[@supernew10doh64]

@@dolce_enigma2354 I mean it was less about who she was seeing and more of the fact that Joe getting crippled by the Grinch is not out of the question in this world. I'm one of the people that really don't like the retcon story to how Joe got crippled

[@brandonlyon730]

I mean hell American Dad has a alien in the main cast and the Cleveland show has Cleveland being friends with a talking bear.

[@MoonlightBelladonna]

Transformers have also appeared in the show too.