The DrDisrespect Situation Got Even Crazier

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[@MogulMail]

i had an ad read in there but removed it to put in a future (less sensitive topic) video

[@sumkin]

thanks mate what a g

[@qlmaoo]

ok

[@wiznerd303]

I knew there was gonna be a NORD VPN ad right there lmao

[@Arran05]

VPNs are scams anyway. Don't buy them. Everything KZbinrs say in their ads promoting them is blatantly false.

[@RWFidelity]

I was gonna say all these people can't read the top comment but you posted this 52 seconds ago lol

[@arrownibent5980]

Shouts out to Mogul Mail for removing the ads due to the sensible topic, Ludwig would never

[@lofirabbit4055]

I got an ad ? :(

[@yololinsken3045]

First, use an AdBlock for your own good. Second, he probably meant an ad read from Ludwig. (See pinned comment)

[@NotHimKoja]

i think you meant sensitive

[@TREVINparty]

adblocker ftw

[@BobBilly506]

@@yololinsken3045 which is good? i had one but it been detected

[@firesupotree]

So funny that he throws in that little "you can't fire me, I quit" seed just in case they don't actually flame him live in a tweet. And then they flamed him live in a tweet.

[@ThisIsChris-Anime]

3:05 made me think we were headed to a VPN ad read

[@AmbraMedling]

Part 2: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m4bCeatjetOMrqs

[@Muza1616]

for real i started spamming skip 20 seconds soon as he said vpn lol

[@lennywhere]

@@Muza1616 sponsorblock stays on top

[@GLUBSCHI]

He cut it out (as said in the pinned comment)

[@sora_dev]

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[@coopagh]

I don’t know a lot about the dr. But I remember the commotion and conversation around him four years ago. Idk how much he talks about midnight society but he specifically mentioning it randomly after taking that pause and saying he’s gonna quit makes me 100% believe Ludwig’s conclusion on that

[@Dracna9]

Agreed. If he's trying to manipulate public perception in this way, it really hurts his credibility

[@Rosskles]

He was banned 2 days after Twitch released a statement about taking action on illegal activity in reference to the Twitch #metoo situation.

[@blakewhite3131]

​@@Dracna9fr like nono I didn't get fired I quit

[@phoenix___7747]

I'll tell you one fact. Either way, Cody has dropped himself in a whole barrel of shite!

[@nightelfuser]

Doc is disappointed, him quitting for a while is understandable. It's so lame, watching these youtubers claim that it's "a bad joke" what Cody said, when they would sue immediately if they were in his shoes.

[@fraliexb]

5:55 There is a difference between SETTLEMENTS and JUDGEMENTS when it comes to lawsuits. Twitch and Doc settled. Doc didn't "win." They settled and signed an NDA.

[@darkcnight]

doc's goal for the lawsuit was to get paid. he got paid. he won.

[@zackestin1368]

@@darkcnight he didnt "win" in the way people, especially doc, is claiming. he didnt "prove" nothing bad happened, the settlement just proves twitch didnt want to go to court over the allegations. this could be for any amount of reasons, like not wanting discovery to happen because theyd need to make public a lot of internal emails relating to partner program talks and how twitch whispers operate as a system, not wanting public knowledge that their contracted biggest streamer was sexting a minor on the service during a period of major competition in the space, or just wanting him on a NDA and gone. any, or a combination of those, is easily worth millions to Amazon. and we all know how much Amazon cares about actual childrens safety for the "why wouldnt amazon go to court to protect the child" thing.

[@cherriberri8373]

​@zackestin1368 so you'd willingly hand over a fuck ton of cash just to not have to deal with court, even if you knew you had a great case?? You are delusional if so. We can't know anything for sure. I hate that people feel the need to speculate on things that aren't their business and they are almost entirely ignorant about.

[@jimpapadakis7960]

​@@zackestin1368Yes but if they went to court Doc's dirty laundry would come out too, if he really groomed a minor no amount of money would make up for what would be, effectively, a career killer, not to mention what would come after. Also if Twitch had proof of a crime and they didn't report it that's also a crime in and on itself, it seems like a lot to risk to protect patents that aren't exactly top secret.

[@Kyledishgambin0]

​@zackestin1368 you don't know shit from Apple butter about the lawsuit/settlement just like the rest of us.

[@everettcitty]

well we know if he got banned by discord too it wasnt for predatory reasons cause discord absolutely does not give a fuck

[@lobocharity]

They do when police get involved

[@feudalocean8428]

They don’t care unless the name is as big as docs. Also twitch and discord communicate with eachother on stuff like this.

[@Loik1001]

So they banned him for no reason???

[@unlisted9494]

​@@lobocharityso then why were there no police reports? You know that is public, right?

[@lobocharity]

@unlisted9494 The dude is rich and was also keeping it hush-hush with Twitch. Besides, like he said, they kept this under wraps, and "he was found not to be in the wrong." There still isn't a lot of proof, but the fact his own company drops him, and his whole reactions to this have been red flags to me.

[@GrizzlyGarage]

They banned him 4 YEARS AGO???? No way it’s been 4 years 😭😭

[@everythingpony]

Its been 5 years

[@GrizzlyGarage]

@@everythingpony even worse 😔

[@MtchndraLrd]

Covid onwards is just a blur lol

[@swankshire6939]

The Wii is 18 year old. Feel old yet?

[@Jhgykjhuih]

​@@swankshire6939I don't even want to ask how old the n64 is 😂

[@StatusNull]

ludwig wearing a fit like he works at a local jiffy lube lmao

[@nox7796]

Good, sir, you must have Mogul mail mistaken for Ludwig that’s not Ludwig

[@scraper_7645]

@@nox7796Real

[@rainybugz]

i have a local jiffy lube and i thought it was something worse sob

[@arcticfoxes8034]

I think people dont understand that the trial doc 'won' was over whether his contract was fairly terminated, not whether he did the actions which got him banned allegedly.

[@chriswihulu]

The more comments I read, the more that is made Crystal clear. As well as not knowing, that an NDA can't compel you to be silent/cover up a criminal offense.

[@LoFiAxolotl]

and if they banned him before he committed the actual crime... legally he would be in the right to get his contract paid out... kinda seems like twitch is the unsung hero here

[@drumusic5665]

​​@@LoFiAxolotl if all this is true which I think it is, Docs reaction on stream said everything to me, then Twitch for once handled something very very well

[@LoFiAxolotl]

@@drumusic5665 i think twitch handles quite a lot really well... we just remember the things we disagree with... don't get me wrong... they are an absolute shit show most of the time...

[@natethegamer45]

@@LoFiAxolotl 1. sexting a minor and attempting to meet up is still a crime, so there would have been a crime commited if true. 2. not if there is a morality clause in the contract which most contracts like those would have where the contract holder (twitch) could terminate any contract if the person in question does something the holder would find breaks their morals. assuming that, if twitch broke the contract for that reason they wouldn't have to pay out any amount. if doc did do this then dont praise twitch for being silent while a crime involving a minor was happening.

[@youngrootv]

True or false the claim, I worked for a court reporting firm and some of the stuff people settled on in court is wild. From getting cancer from a product, to severe child abuse, to death, if you have enough money, then things can get resolved fairly quickly, if it’s not a public, celebrity type of case.

[@superhudson97]

but the one that commited the crime is the one paying, not the one paid (like in this case)

[@youngrootv]

@@superhudson97 I’m just saying that you can settle in court on almost anything. Pretty sure what Twitch and Doc settled on is the payment of the rest of his contract, but we don’t know for sure really until we see anything.

[@AnonsTreasures]

@@superhudson97 Does that not give more credence to him not doing it? Like, I won't make any judgement without evidence but this seems too odd to be just "he did it and they are covering it up!" it doesn't make much sense.

[@notchbeard9007]

You obviously don't understand the difference between Civil and Criminal Court like the rest of the internet.

[@heyim-jay]

@@youngrootv Likely sued for his contract, not due to the allegations. His contract payout probably didn't have this type of content within it and thus there was probably some legal loopholes he was able to go through. The whistleblower said it was in plain text, however that can easily be a gray zone. If its true, like most pedos, they're smart to be vague with what they say in order to protect themselves.

[@alexanderbruns6574]

A business like that doesn't just drop that without there being something really substantial.

[@shadowdragon9761]

depp vs amber and Disney ? happens alot

[@Karrotdiff]

Are u kidding? Biggest scumbags are these companies

[@conundrum60690]

@@shadowdragon9761Puhleaze. Depp did that crap he just had a good lawyer. Even if he didn’t, Disney had credible allegations and a legal claim.

[@jaredkline2351]

@@conundrum60690actually braindead

[@werk62]

​@@conundrum60690cope

[@todhold2673]

The ad read that he removed was definitely for a VPN service and it definitely was awkwardly supposed to be inserted at 2:59.

[@AshiwiZuni]

Its literally the pinned comment dummy

[@oriyadid]

I also think so, would be weird for him to mention ISPs like that otherwise

[@rickvandam3238]

Top comment that is pinned says it was removed yeah

[@oriyadid]

@@rickvandam3238 the commenter is aware, they literally say "the ad read that he removed", which shows they know there was an ad, and that it was removed. The speculation was in what type of ad it was.

[@mjdevlog]

but he got the point about the privacy issues tho

[@jakefairley6993]

If a company that's only point of relevance was their relationship with Dr cuts ties with him, you know something pretty serious happened Midnight Society has nothing to gain and everything to lose by doing this

[@sardjentpepper8897]

and now we know💀

[@primequisine813]

@@sardjentpepper8897there’s still no proof but yeah it’s not looking good

[@cingsing986]

Be surprised what people emotions would result in.

[@tensemurm5924]

@@cingsing986 Doc just admitted be was messaging a child...

[@sabalghoo]

@@tensemurm5924 He did?! Link source?

[@chairofthebored]

Update: he admits to sexting the minor, but says it was fine cuz no sex happened. Translation: he got caught before it COULD happen.

[@kaleidoscope6043]

where did he admit to it? Legitimately curious, I'm all for innocent until proven guilty but if there's something concrete that's over with.

[@cheesymation]

⁠@@kaleidoscope6043 here is the part of his tweet where he admits it: “(…) Were there twitch whisper messages with an individual minor back in 2017? The answer is yes. Were there real intentions behind these messages, the answer is absolutely not. These were casual, mutual conversations that sometimes leaned too much in the direction of being inappropriate, but nothing more. Nothing illegal happened, no pictures were shared, no crimes were committed, I never even met the individual. I went through a lengthy arbitration regarding a civil dispute with twitch and that case was resolved by a settlement. Let me be clear, it was not a criminal case against me and no criminal charges have ever been brought against me. (…)”

[@divyansh2890]

@@cheesymation "twitch whisper messages = sexting 🤓🤓" :- some brain dead haters.

[@zavyh]

@@divyansh2890 "some brain dead haters." pedo supporters 🤣😭

[@tinypichu-]

@@divyansh2890 Hi so you’re justifying docs actions? He admitted he started “going to far” and “leaning towards too far of a direction” via dming a minor and knew this person was a child/under age? May I see your DM’s?” How many kids are you whispering so much that its “LEANING TOWARDS TOO FAR”? Please show me. Disgusting POS.

[@markthestark]

3:00 That could be a great ad xdddd I already got prepared for the ad after those words 😂

[@tomrejor4842]

He did since then send a comment after saying that there was one planned but moved it to another video so you definitely were right lmao

[@DinnerMuffin]

@Gooddaynice648 I can't believe I fell for this 😭😭

[@mikuenjoyerXD]

​@DinnerMuffin shame

[@Narkboi]

I love when people put ads in their videos so I can skip them without waiting 15 seconds to skip it

[@cescimes]

​@@DinnerMuffin listen, we're not mad. just disappointed...

[@coreytrevor3910]

If doc was sexting a minor on twitch wispers and the persons parents saw it they could of reached out to twitch about it. The legal tie up is because this person could of represented them selves as being a legal age on twitch. So Doc was sexting with someone he thought was an adult. That would track with why he didn't have any "legal troubles" results from anything having to do with a minor. Twitch also didn't want it to come out that they verified an underage minor on their site who was in fact not of legal age. So, its kinda like the spiderman meme of everyone pointing at someone else. Doc went thru some shit years prior for cheating on his wife or trying to. So maybe Twitch didn't want the face of the platform being a known cheater and now, technically a pedo in some peoples eyes. My guess is Doc, Twitch and who the other party was agreed to a settlement in which everyone went their own way. Only way the tweets line up with what is being said and why Doc would be terminated from Midnight. He might not of broken TOS for Midnight but its a bad look. Also why big brands dropped him as well.

[@-Jarvis-]

You only have to be like 13 or something on twitch tho. I don’t think twitch verifies if anyone’s an adult. Unless you add a credit card for subs or something but idk.

[@Domtrain]

Well now, that's a very nice theory and it would explain a lot of what and why things happened. I too thought about the possibly along those lines, as a girl was saying she was 18 and was 17

[@TheBaldr]

I have seen this theory being passed around today, it make sense. If there is a settlement, it might be that Twitch or even Cody Conners might be in some legal trouble for breach of the settlement, depends on that his exit documents look like at Twitch. If you knew confidential company data, especially about users, most company have you sign a paper that you don't release that type of information.

[@coreytrevor3910]

@@-Jarvis- yeah i don't know what TOS was then either as I'm sure it changes all the time. But if the "meet at twitchcon" is a real thing then I'm leaning towards a creator/ streamer who is verified then just some fan. IF they misrepresented their age then Doc is sort of clear of the whole "underage thing" I would guess. Also if age was brought up and they lied its why Doc never was charged with any type of crime. I think Twitch did something wrong that lead to all this coming out which is why Doc would win a wrongful termination lawsuit.

[@heyim-jay]

@@-Jarvis- Yeah man I think Midnight Society kicking him says more than the tweets. They pretty much had to confirm with Twitch and Twitch is liable to admit the reason of his departure. This is really damming.

[@Stu67nt]

Im honestly confused as to why this is all comming out now and not years ago when it happened

[@zackestin1368]

twitch only laid off 40% of its staff this year, which frees them from a lot of things saying twitch cant talk about things.

[@omega1231]

​@@zackestin1368 Nothing can keep you from reporting crimes. There is no legal basis for an NDA keeping you from reporting crimes, sexting minors is a crime. If it's true, all of these people "that knew" are complicit, not strictly legally speaking, but socially? Fuck them.

[@OrdinaryJo3]

The real answer is NDA. It expired and now people are talking about it.

[@krackawoody2556]

Because they sat on the info and someone leaked it as a whistleblower

[@michaelrudolph7003]

If Twitch really believed something of the kind that is being alleged happened, they had to report it to authorities or they are no better than the alleged perpetrator. So either they are as unethical as they claim Doc is or there was nothing in violation of law there. Period. You can't have an NDA that stops you from reporting crimes that a party commits. That would be an illegal contract.

[@Trilzo]

"drake on stage with 17 year old"

[@alsoeris]

thats not evidence apparently, according to Mogul 12:42

[@agaga5886]

SHE WAS 17.5 YOU MOONSTER!11!1!

[@alenor210]

Perfect example of why “innocent until proven guilty in a court of law” is a terrible way to personally judge people. It doesn’t matter if it’s not enough evidence for the American legal system to convict him of a crime, anyone with eyes and a brain can see that shit and know exactly what it means.

[@eugkra33]

@@agaga5886 That's right. 6 months later, and it's all fair, and no one is a ped0 no more.

[@davidsantiago7808]

i think ludwig just hasnt seen that video lmao

[@GrizzlyGarage]

Starting the vid and seeing a billion tabs open means it’s gonna be juicy 😩

[@christiansantamaria7233]

Gay

[@GrizzlyGarage]

@@christiansantamaria7233 duh bro it’s pride month

[@yunekoVT]

it doesnt mean twitch reads whispers it could mean the minor reported his whispers to them

[@wolfiemuse]

According to the person who claimed the allegations in the first place, which was right in the end regardless of how shady he was being, said that Twitch staff could read it in plain text.

[@yol_n]

cope harder lol

[@wolfiemuse]

@@yol_n that’s actually what happened to my knowledge

[@yol_n]

@@wolfiemuse I'm responding to the other guy. Of course they can read their messages

[@wolfiemuse]

@@yol_n I didn’t see any other messages, they must have been deleted or something

[@notchbeard9007]

I think the main thing that this demonstrated was that the whole internet doesn't understand the difference between civil and Criminal Court

[@devonwilliams2423]

What I don’t understand is that this happened four years ago so now all of a sudden the company doesn’t want to work with him? Additionally, if a minor was involved, the information would be hidden. Sounds like a load of bullshit , You’re telling me one of the biggest incidents in life streaming history and they are just now finding out what happened? Sounds like they are listening to new allegations

[@Vesrayech]

@@devonwilliams2423 Crazy how some dude literally used the controversy of Doc getting banned as a self-promote but we're supposed to take his word for it

[@PlsDrea]

im a big fan of lawtube and i watch a lot of court coverage and truer words have never been spoken lolol

[@M0J0-RL236]

is that really the main thing this demonstrated?

[@garymcjerry]

Personally I think it’s also a look at how many people don’t understand NDA’s… you cannot talk about them full stop. You can’t confirm or deny anything at all. Someone could ask “did twitch fire you because you are secretly a Martian from the planet zorgon?” And he would still, legally, have to answer “I can neither confirm nor deny” or some other nothing answer. If someone came out making *other* separate allegations, he couldn’t defend *those* either.

[@sydneys207]

It's worth noting that *settlement* doesn't mean that his lawsuit was successful. It means that both sides agreed on a "price" to make it all go away. If it's determined that defending it will cost more than it's worth, it's not uncommon for a settlement to be offered.

[@adambalogh8728]

But it was Doc suing and he said he got everything, they might have sued Twitch for more due to the damage in public image, but they setteled on the original full amount to not drag it any longer cause it is really hard to prove that and it is not uncommon that they sue for more then the aimed amount.

[@Zoltan1251]

It absolutely means that lawsuit was successful!!! Settlement means that Twitch haD nothing and would 100% lose the case. Christ, you people straight up just make your own stuff up because you want somebody to be guilty. Its disgusting. Too many people got charged with crimes they didnt commit because they were mean looking or worse, mean looking black man....... and still you just wish allegation to be true with no evidence.

[@sydneys207]

@@Zoltan1251 It doesn't mean that at all. Settlements are reached all the time in cases where one side has a solid defense. Malpractice cases, for example, settle not-infrequently because of the risk and cost, even when there's little to no factual basis for the claim. If the cost of the settlement is less than the cost of litigation, brand risk, possible payout (because there is very rarely such a thing as a slam dunk), it's not at all uncommon to settle, *even when you are in the right*.

[@michaeldoyle3235]

@@sydneys207defense wouldn’t settle when they have such damning evidence as suggested by Midnight dropping doc, other brands dropping, Conners holding Doc’s sexting a minor out as fact, etc. Promise you that. They have a case and would have at least gone through mediation. Settling would allow assumptions favoring Doc, and the lack of damning evidence

[@sydneys207]

Considering he admitted it, obviously they did. Chances are, they settled because the risks of this getting to court are high. People finding out their capabilities regarding the whisper product, people finding out more about some of the deals involved, the case being in the headlines for months as it drags on. Instead, pay some money to make it go away, and then you can control the terms of the deal. Civil suits sometimes aren't anything to do with the truth or what can be proven. Sometimes, the costs and risks of trial are just not worth "winning".

[@Whatismusic123]

Did people think twitch whispers were private? What? Obviously twitch has access to them. It's not a private messaging platform, it's just a convenience tool for twitch to message other chatters *briefly.*

[@Chloian]

He looks like he’s in a spirit Halloween bro

[@darcinit]

3:02 So was there a cut Nord VPN ad or did you do that on purpose

[@valeriacortez6770]

I started skipping forward thinking there was a sponsor and everything 😭

[@lcqiv]

there was ludwig posted a comment but didnt pin it for some reason

[@Lutyrannus]

Lol this is pure speculation but I think he was gonna have a sponsor and then realized that it would probably be insensitive to put one on a video of this topic lol

[@AmbraMedling]

Part 2: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m4bCeatjetOMrqs

[@emeraldashtree]

@@Lutyrannuscorrect, the pinned comment he posted basically says this exact thing :)

[@Heycasualman]

It’s not illegal to DM a minor, so removing Doc because of a legal opinion would give him legal ground to sue potentially for defamation(due to loss of income/time lost) It doesn’t make it any less creepy though. Doc’s wording is very specific “no wrongdoing was acknowledged” because from a legal eye, it wasn’t, but morally, and with a history of promiscuity he’s likely that guy.

[@PileOfStones]

Based. Turn over any rock where grooming is a threat and people crawl out insisting there's nothing wrong with a 26 year old talking to a 18 year old. Apologists run rampant for scenarios wherein it's legal but when you think about it why would such a platonic relationship even be perused you can sense them gooning.

[@Screm]

The claim wasn't that he was just texting a minor though, the claim is that they were sexting

[@Heycasualman]

@@Screm well If there is evidence of that then it’s enticement and 100% illegal. But even if it’s just communicating a “meetup” that wouldn’t be legally clear enough to pursue. And predatory behavior from a legal perspective is unfortunately obscure even when it’s morally, clearly not okay. This is why it’s been such a hot mess with SA accusations in the public space. Because people’s Morals and Law don’t agree. Law tends to fall short of moral standard.

[@Screm]

@@Heycasualman If you know what sexting is and have done it before (I have, i'm not really ashamed of it) you'd know how explicit it can be, there may not have been pictures exchanged but in the context of it being sexting that's almost the same thing, and it's not just "This is what imma do to you" it can be full on storyline type we are doing this type stuff

[@BobZor69420]

So I don't see anyone mentioning this, but Charlie's theory about why DrDisrespect got banned that "most people subscribed to" doesn't make sense nor is the reason I initially thought he got banned for. Mixer announced it was shutting down, and they made this announcement June 22nd of 2020. AFTER that, Doc got banned on June 26th, 2020. The theory was that Twitch didn't want to pay out this massive contract they just signed to keep Doc on Twitch because they no longer had to since Mixer was about to shut down. That would also make sense why Doc sued Twitch.

[@anoukk_]

Charlie's theories are often not great

[@oafee1053]

Charlie spends most of his time both sidesing everything which can sometimes work out well but often leaves him carrying water for some of the worst people on the internet.

[@BEASTLYDROK]

Yeah that makes way more sense than this bs especially since we know doc has a conscience after his cheating thing that he himself revealed on stream bro literally cried on stream cuz his marriage was falling apart you really think he’s out cheating again and with a child on twitch people are stupid but this don’t make no sense at all and the whole oh we heard from multiple sources that this was the alleged reason even that has no weight whos to say someone isn’t lying and telling everyone and defaming him for personal reasons or just cuz they are losers with no life twitch people are already weirdos imo I wouldn’t trust them for shit and you know they don’t care about women look what they do on stream and get a 1 day ban when if a guy did it they perma for life and anyone they talk to

[@tlsgrz6194]

But that woulnd't explain the Discord ban, or why 4 years later his own company feels the need to cut ties with him.

[@BEASTLYDROK]

@@tlsgrz6194cancel culture and twitch is heavily invested in discord

[@hoofpres]

Bruh, just got lunch, your timing is impeccable

[@lukeeIRL]

a late lunch

[@kinggoosy4183]

​@@lukeeIRL It's called time zones

[@DanielLee-rr2qj]

@@lukeeIRL extremely late lunch

[@BigTalem]

Where are you from, New Zealand?

[@supertrolle9555]

Bro its 2:51 am wfym lunch😭💀

[@noxdoestuff8917]

This has aged hilariously

[@ThisHandleIsTakenTryThis]

what has happened?

[@SpazamsTV]

@@ThisHandleIsTakenTryThis He (DrDisrespect) admitted on twitter that he was in fact sending inappropriate messages to minors via the twitch whisper messages thingy.

[@ThisHandleIsTakenTryThis]

@@SpazamsTV ya the feeling of going from watching this video, commenting what happened, and then seeing the worse self report in history is something.

[@cFrogjar]

"Elden ring Monday" is crazy lmao

[@AC-ov5ny]

yeah it still feels weird to have ER in the background of all these recent dramas

[@Phlegm187]

Yeah more like Youngin Ring Tuesdays

[@ghoullyy]

@@Phlegm187”Talk to Teens Tuesday”

[@grahamnelly3491]

Dr Disrespect's words here are eerily similar to Bill O'reilly's final show at Fox News. He signed off with "It's spring time. I booked a trip that should be terrific. All of us need a break, make sure you take yours"! He was fired one week later for misconduct. Like Bill, Doc also see's the storm coming. Yikes.

[@bobberina_]

I am loving all the slightly different timestamps for the missing ad read

[@joemcff.-1257]

"just completely remove... myself from the scene"... u can hear "the beginning of the end" in the way he say it.

[@XboxSucks-g3k]

His actions kinda sus and makes it seem more true. It's like he's seen what evidence is out now and he's leaving before everyone finds out to troll him and fuck with him.

[@ironrazor7244]

@@XboxSucks-g3k i mean its just sus all around we've seen no evidence and the guy making the claims is also trying to sell the proof for money which is fucking wild. Imagine holding proof of grooming because you aren't getting paid enough yet for it

[@JoeyG-o8r]

@@XboxSucks-g3k To be fair, I'm not sure how I'd handle allegations like that even if they were false. Everyone hanging on every word you said, most people assuming your guilty. Might be safest to step away. Love the pfp btw.

[@darkknightx0992]

He's probably sick of the social media bs.

[@XboxSucks-g3k]

@user-br6ve4lz6n I'd just go on with my day like nothing is going on if it wasn't true. If it's all false why let it bother u? It's definitely bothering him and why drop him from a company if they don't have proof. I'd say they got proof sent the facts to him on stream and he insta left. How I see it.

[@washyourhands]

This is me looking into it. I will now look out of it. I cared enough for 1 mogul mail

[@calebokeefe376]

You don’t “win” a settlement. Both parties settle because they don’t want to roll the dice in court.

[@sophie5178]

The background of his room looks like nightmare inner organs

[@cybercrasherstv]

Istg, when you said I'm not safe on the internet, I instinctively skipped past 20 seconds. I noticed a cut there, was there supposed to be an ad read there, and it got cut??

[@makyeah]

read the pinned comment

[@penewoldahh]

someone dosent use sponsorblock

[@AshiwiZuni]

Lmao which community is brigading? Its literally the pinned comment and your dumbass had to scroll down here to type out your comment anyway so how did you not see it?

[@Siter]

Instantly jumps dr disrespect after the news, while waiting two days to address kris situation. How disgusting, lol

[@JaredHathaway]

DrDisrespect did his best to impersonate Bill Clinton with that reply XD

[@grievouszgen6561]

I just noticed Dr. Disrespect ended his stream 30 min before Midnight Society put out their tweet. super short stream for him--only 3 hrs and 20 mins. he knew the shit was about to hit the fan. ggs for him.

[@rigormortis3219]

hes fine hes suing cody and he won the lawsuit with twitch

[@copitopicaporte5068]

​@@rigormortis3219he didn't win the lawsuit, they settled out of court and no one admitted to wrong doing

[@dymetex6360]

@@rigormortis3219 you straight up don't know what you're talking about lmao. bye kid

[@DrBagel.]

Tbh, if I threaten to take someone to court, and they settle by giving me a ton of money, that's pretty much an automatic W (conceding failure) in court without papers being released. What's twitch scared of hiding? If you've done NO wrong, settling outta court always suspicious

[@Rosskles]

​@rigormortis3219 He was banned 2 days after Twitch released a statement about taking action on illegal activity in reference to the Twitch #metoo situation.

[@Bacheren]

At this point the main issue isn't even if he did it or not, since it is impossible to prove or know with given information. The main issue is the complete lack of transparency, whether for legal reasons or not. I would not be comfortable watching a Creator getting dropped from so many companies without knowing why.

[@horse433]

That’s a good point

[@michaelweird4018]

I Honestly feel that this situation gonna be one of the biggest reveal once everything is finish in court or possibly an NDA is happening here

[@MJ-vv7ys]

NDA already took place? Also the lawsuit is over? Wdym?

[@michaelweird4018]

@@MJ-vv7ys I believe they are different forms I can't say that i know much but even if a case is over it all depends on the agreements that both parties made honestly only the lawyers know the ins and out

[@quinsey9211]

@@michaelweird4018 ya but again, nothing is in court. there was never a trial for him doing anything. The only case was for his contract payout. so nothings gonna come out from a case that doesnt exist. He prob did that shit tho. and itd be nice to get closure. if anything i think the girl in question would have to come out

[@CleanUpNick]

@@quinsey9211 thing is if he DID do it and all that info was brought up in the law suit he probably wouldn't have gotten payed if he was in the wrong, not to mention if he did something like that, even if he DID get payed anyways the state would be after his ass and that lawsuit would've turned into a full blown case against him

[@XboxSucks-g3k]

Dude is a pedo. He wouldn't act like this if it wasn't true.

[@mikeystapleton]

I’ve been sitting in a dark room constantly refreshing mogul mail for 53 hours.

[@williambbq]

Ludwig really on his "Do your own research" arc.

[@LLGameShows]

To be fair, everyone always takes these things at face value

[@huh9400]

6:35 wow lud actually giving his own opinion and not regurgitating whatever the internet says like Charlie does

[@burritoomg]

"We settled in court" is not proof of innocence. A settlement is an agreement *by both parties* to drop the issue. He's acting as if reaching a settlement in his lawsuit is him winning. But if his lawsuit was strong enough, *he* wouldn't have settled either. Twitch absolutely had something that Beahm did not want revealed publicly and Beahm had at least some entitlement to get his contract paid out even if he breached.

[@Sherlock_Holmeless3818]

Surely a twitch contract would have clauses that would render it void if certain clauses are breached. Twitch TOS outlines reasons why your license can be terminated, though not exactly the same, it would have something similar in the contract. If what he was accused of was true, then what grounds would he have to sue? let alone win? Here's my theory: Twitch falsely banned Doc due to "evidence" provided through chatlogs. As a result of the ban, he loses a lot of money from potential sponsors/deals, twitch subs etc. He sues Twitch, twitch doesn't want people knowing they read users chatlogs, decide to settle favouring Doc. I could also be 100% wrong but it's my current position.

[@jigbuuls2322]

@@Sherlock_Holmeless3818 so why would twitch get rid of one of there top English speaking streamers for not enough evidence? To me it’s seems more likely that they did receive some convincing evidence and went ahead with the termination. If there was no evidence at all he would have actually won the judgment not just a settlement or filed a lawsuit against twitch which he hasn’t done either. Edit: twitch is pretty open about being able to read chat logs so are most social media companies so I doubt they were terrified that would come out lol.

[@Sherlock_Holmeless3818]

@@jigbuuls2322 you raise valid questions that I don’t have answers to, interesting tings, I’m gonna let the big brains solve it and add my updated 2 cents after lol

[@zirkereuler5242]

@@jigbuuls2322 twitch is known for banning male streamers for the most trivial things...

[@LoFiAxolotl]

@@Sherlock_Holmeless3818 if twitch banned him before he met up with the minor and if he wasn't explicit in the messages... they had no breach of contract... morally they would've been in the right to end his contract but legally there'd be plenty to grab onto to get it paid out

[@KionneSensei]

The update video gonna be epic

[@scrubbywubby1752]

nah i thought 3:05 would of been an ad read 💀💀💀

[@AmbraMedling]

Part 2: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m4bCeatjetOMrqs

[@MisterShibo]

There was but lud removed it since he wants to put it in a less serious video.

[@8thVigil]

imagine typing "would of" in 2024 💀💀

[@toltico]

@@8thVigil the language police is out lmao

[@ryanchatwin8535]

@@tolticolanguage police are* out

[@nicgb098]

He 100% did it. I knew when he got banned they HAD to have caught him in something wild. A business like Twitch does not drop somebody like doc like he is radioactive WITHOUT a solid, unavoidable, unambigous WILD cause.

[@RoninRose541]

Exactly. And there’s no way in hell there’s anything legal wise that’s keeping him from straight out saying “ I didn’t sext a minor.” Like that’s literally all he had to say. 5 words.

[@CarlCarlson-jq3xr]

@@RoninRose541 Okay first off the second part is COMPLETELY wrong. You have no idea what the NDA he signed covers so how tf are you gunna say " And there’s no way in hell there’s anything legal wise that’s keeping him from straight out saying “ I didn’t sext a minor.” " You are brain dead.

[@wittyedge]

He 100% did what, and where is the proof? Twitch banning someone is NOT proof of anything.

[@nicgb098]

@wittyedge Yes, it is definitely proof. This isn't a court of law and I am not brain damaged. A business isn't going to throw away a multimillion dollar property over night because somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed. Where there is smoke there is fire, and twitch dropping somebody like that in the way they did is a cloud of smoke you could see across the Pacific.

[@burnerr]

I hope none of you dorks end up on any jury lmfao

[@TheDreRock]

THE UPDATE CAME AS I WAS WATCHING THIS OH NO

[@functionatthejunction]

9:57 LOL that music que was perfect for his reaction and the news he got.

[@Toshipie325]

I thought a Nord VPN ad was coming at 3:00 and almost lost it

[@AmbraMedling]

Part 2: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m4bCeatjetOMrqs

[@makyeah]

read the pinned comment

[@KingKel119]

When your Co-Founders say things like "While THESE FACTS are hard to hear and EVEN MORE DIFFICULT TO ACCEPT" that means more than likely, the parties they talked to said something so disturbing that MS had no choice but to pull the trigger and separate from Guy. Everyone's out looking for the smoking gun. When the people you started a dream with say they had your back when the story broke. Then part ways with you stating they heard FACTS about the situation. They're saying that they know for sure that Dr. D is "not like us"

[@JohannesWOW]

Imagine signing a nda that states if you get accused of anything that has nothing to do with the facts of the case, you can't speak on it. I don't think this is how a nda works

[@CarlCarlson-jq3xr]

NDAs can extend quite far and be VERY broad. You have NO IDEA what the facts of the case is so you have no idea what the NDA can cover to begin with.

[@user-ke1gn3ql1g]

That is exactly how it works. They can prevent you from saying literally anything about the company you signed the NDA with, not even their name. As long as it's not used to cover up crime.

[@SageO6PathzGON]

WE NEED THE UPDATE VID SINCE THE BOMBSHELL THAT WAS DROPPED

[@SD_Koy]

The funny thing about you removing the ad is you can still tell when you were gonna drop iy because you're smooth with those transitions.

[@OnlyMarxo]

I mean it totally makes sense why companies would read your messages. To prevent stuff like this for happening

[@RiDaku]

the massive thing is, Midnight Society's final paragraph said FACTS! *FACTS!* They did not speak lightly, they did not say allegations or rumors or anything, they said FACTS. Which means that what was previously a company Doc co-founded, was coming out to say he DID IT.

[@ashberto6041]

If it wasn't based on fact that's the opening for a lawsuit, they would have been fully aware of such when making the decision and statement.

[@wednesdeity]

That really doesn’t mean anything though, companies do this all the time

[@chriswihulu]

Facts by what standard, cause unless It's publicly available, the term "fact" can just be a case of bias confirmation. Facts can and should be shared, end of discussion.

[@Glanzern]

Or those facts they think are right are fabricated? If it's facts, where is the proof?

[@ashberto6041]

@@Glanzern Dr admitted to it, there is your proof, right from the horse's mouth.

[@the_Googie]

Some speculation in this whole drama, but what sounds most compelling to me is a game company (Midnight Society) that pretty much RELIES on Doc to make profit, terminating their relations with him after having made investigations. What motive could they have? Clout? Unlikely. The monetary profit from sticking to doc and having one of the largest current-day streamers plug your product is a gig that no sane company would throw away. UNLESS the consequences of sticking with doc would far outweigh the potential benefits. So whatever happened in those DMs, it was so bad that it was better cutting ties than sticking to the Doc, even though its one of the luckiest positions a game company could have.

[@WhiteyHD]

The only way to solve this is for twitch to release the reason. But if it was what is being accused they wouldn't, because it means they confirm they were reading private chats.

[@stayathomedad4830]

They sell our information to foreign companies, they definitely can read chats. Dodo brain

[@WhiteyHD]

@@stayathomedad4830 righto champ. Doesn't matter what they do behind the scenes, they wouldn't admit that to the public because shit like that destroys a company.

[@godlyvex5543]

@@stayathomedad4830 wow what a nasty response, you couldn't think of a nicer way to say that?

[@m.j.e.5245]

Dan Clancy has negative testosterone so he wont ever do anything bold

[@strikeforcealpha3652]

I mean that won't be their primary concern .... if this accusation is true... twitch would get in trouble for not reporting it to authorities as this is a big offense...

[@FallingTimberGames]

Midnight Society terminating him stating the facts don’t lie means he did something bad enough for them to fire the co owner. He’s screwed. And couples stay together for kids after cheating all the time. Him terminating his stream until further notice, makes him look guilty…..

[@Jisim33]

Eh it does but you also have to look at Johnny Depp situation. Amber falsely accused him and every industry dropped him and found out he was innocent all along..

[@FallingTimberGames]

@@Jisim33 He admitted it today.

[@bilinasmini3480]

I've spent the last 53 hours sitting in a dimly lit room, continuously checking my junk mail.

[@CannonFodder84]

Having been studying psychology for a 5 years now I can say that he displays major red flags for what we call 'distancing language', and while that doesn't mean he's guilty of anything alone; it is cause for concern when evaluating a person's behavior in court or elsewhere. All of the information provided also suggests he did in fact do something wrong and it's hard to ignore something as huge as his own circle outing him. With all that said, actual receipts or a confession is all that can give a conclusive verdict.

[@Big_Dip1]

If he didn't do anything, he'd flat out say it...the fact that he's not means he's afraid of legal repercussions down the line....which means he did something 😂

[@JamezGrimm]

Having studied psychology for over 15 years I can confidently say that he displays the appropriate amount of distancing for a situation that he had already resolved and put behind him. As someone studying psychology, you should know what occurs when a traumatic event reoccurs. There isn’t any information that suggests he did anything. In fact, the information provided shows that he did nothing. Twitch assumed he did, when it was initially brought to court, they realized their error and decided it would be cheaper to pay out his contract and have him sign an NDA than it would to be dragged through the mud in a wrongful termination suit and then, inevitably, a defamation suit. All that being said, it’s speculation on my part as well. But from a psychological standpoint his response is warranted as his reputation is, once again, being tarnished on unfounded allegations that he can no longer legally comment on. It’s a fight he already won and here he is again, having to face it, but without any teeth due to his NDA with Twitch. And the little garbage human beings running around screaming allegations for clout, with no evidence, are feeling no pressure whatsoever.

[@Big_Dip1]

@@JamezGrimm this is literally all speculation lol also I'm almost positive you're lying about studying psychology if you're reaching this hard to defend Dr. Kids Inspect

[@CannonFodder84]

@@JamezGrimm Well your comment aged like milk and now you look like a pedo defender lmao.

[@4kairo]

BRO DID THAT SHIT 💀

[@Shedgie]

HE ADMITTED IT ON TWITTER HELL NAH 💀💀💀

[@spoonsket8950]

Thanks mailman, great video!

[@M3atbucket]

The whole Midnight Society tweet reads so fishy. It literally says "these accusations" and then "these facts" right after each other. And what sort of investigation are they doing that we can't that made them come to that conclusion? And where is their proof as well?

[@AGXJDM]

fr

[@zankaa8031]

?? Is it really that difficult to understand in context? They say they were accusations when they initially heard them, and then after their investigation, they concluded it was true, which would make it a fact... Lol.

[@AGXJDM]

@@zankaa8031 It's not a fact tho? Here's why... Give me a reason on why would you make a statement about someone then not provide a single evidence? Also whats not adding up is there is 0 charges made to dr disrespect for being a pedo. Innocent until proven guilty thats the reality.

[@quinsey9211]

they specifically said they reached out to involved parties. so they probably got receipts from the minor he messaged. potentially through twitch or also discord seeing as they banned him as well.

[@quinsey9211]

@@AGXJDM so edp445 is innocent? He was never charged or proven guilty but we all know with 100% certainty he liked kids and tried to meet up with one. Also saying they didnt provide evidence is so densely stupid i can only assume you're a child. Obviously they couldn't come out and post that shit are you insane?

[@MilkIsASauceTV]

Another mogul mail W, glad to see the explanation at the end about innocent until proven guilty not meaning freedom from judgement

[@aguyonyoutube4sure]

I like lud’s little tea drinking pinky poking out when he gesticulates

[@Toby-k8v]

Ludwig when Dr. Disrespect, a creator in the same space that he doesn't like, sends mesaages to a minor: "fuck that guy, he's gross, it's wrong, etc." Ludwig when Cody Ko, someone he has worked with, has sex with someone underage: .... Ludwig when Ava Chris, someone he has worked with, gets caught with CP that he spent money on: .... Good job Lud. You're really setting the bar high for yourself. It's only bad if it's someone you don't like, is what I'm gathering.

[@Sandy_Boy]

Tbh i didn't like Ludwig and now that this hypocrite behavior of not talking about cody n kris really puts a nail in the coffin

[@Franic19]

What makes me think that there might be something to the allegations is the decision Discord made and mentioning the "Code of Conduct". There are a bunch of streamers who got banned for various reason and as far as I remember, never did Discord put out a statement like that about someone who got into controversy. The Code of Conduct part just jumps out to me. Sure, the others who got banned might not have been partnered by Discord, but I'm sure the Code of Conduct phrase isn't just thrown in there for shits and giggles. There has to be something that they got aswell, that would make them believe the allegations, or they did their own little digging, for them to do what they did. They still might just done it just to make sure because they don't want to be associated with someone this big and getting under fire for it aswell. That's how companies lose a bunch of stock value if a higher up has some major allegations and that might also be the case here and to save their asses for that plumet too.

[@jambolambas]

Elden Ring Monday

[@bisousethiboux]

oh lord is this gonna turn into the streamer's version of "this is gonna ruin the tour"

[@allliabdull6100]

@@bisousethiboux What Tour?

[@bisousethiboux]

@@allliabdull6100 the world tour

[@TheSquire420]

The midnight society and discord stuff is damming

[@degeneratephoenix8889]

I appreciate the candid disclaimer and honesty and about how we all will make judgements, followed by the encouragement to form our own opinions. Most channels that cover these topics, like keemstar for example, will immediately jump on the "he's a kiddiefiddler" train from this and will say they aren't encouraging their audience to target anyone while blatantly doing exactly that. That said, my personal take on it is that there's no legal scenario that would prevent him from saying "I didn't do that". There just isn't. He was deliberately vague and refused to deny it and instead reinforced that whatever he did do, twitch was found to be in the wrong, likely through a contract breach, which would also explain why he won the case. Midnight Society cutting ties like this too furthers my belief in this. They obviously also can't give us any receipts, but twitch would absolutely be able to show them as they have a duty to protect their own employees and customers, and business are required to share that info upon request under certain circumstances. If what they saw was enough for them, it's enough for me.

[@arcticfoxes8034]

I think the fact that independent journalists corroborated the story and the game studio removed him has basically confirmed that Doc was banned for that reason. However just because that was the reason does not mean that he necessarily did it, and there is no point debating whether he did because we will never have access to those twitch whispers.

[@Coolest_Name]

the fact he tries to step away from midnight before they can fire him though makes him seem VERY guilty in my opinion. thats 100% him trying to save face and being sneaky, which doesnt make sense if he was innocent.

[@firstwavenegativity6379]

@@Coolest_Name "Trying to quit before getting fired means you committed a crime" is an insane leap of logic

[@lovelyslo]

how does that confirm THIS REASON? Could still be something else

[@Coolest_Name]

@@firstwavenegativity6379 well yeah, its weird that he tried to cover up his firing from midnight before they could publicly announce that they are cutting ties with doc due to what hes done after speaking to those involved.

[@robertjr8474]

yeah he def did that shit

[@vegetasbulge]

Where's your evidence?

[@x9x9x9x9x9]

Man, I was kinda in the boat of "doc screwed up but it wasn't anything too bad" until the midnight society thing. In my mind that means it was probably pretty serious. Before this I thought "he probably messaged a fan who was a minor and said something like 'lets meet up at twitch con' but not in a bad way just a friendly way." But with them letting him go that probably means it was more nefarious than just meeting with a fan.

[@itmeurdad]

More serious than twitch throwing away millions of dollars for negative publicity? I think it's safe to say they did their diligence.

[@x9x9x9x9x9]

@@itmeurdad Twitch has made so many bad decisions over the years I dont use their judgement for anything.

[@RedTrainer004]

"no proof that Drake is a pedophile" as if there isnt a video of a girl on stage telling him shes a minor and then he tells her she looks too good to be so young and then kisses her??

[@GodofGoblins]

That is a creepy comment yes, but not automatically a "gg no re, lock him up in jail forever." She also came out and confirmed he didnt pick her out, but his entourage picked her out pre performance. So if anything, his entourage should've checked her age. And yeah, after he realized he tried to joke and play it off, but it came out creepy. It is what it is. But that's not true evidence to lock someone up. ...now, if there are creepy texts of him and millie B brown, ok that can be stronger evidence

[@michaelh878]

Saying 17 year olds look substantively different to 18 year olds make no sense.

[@pb_monkey]

​@@michaelh878it differs on a case by case basis

[@alsoeris]

I'm so lost on why he would use Twitch whispers of all things to do that? Could the person have sent a dono and he responded to it through a whisper?

[@80AM.]

Yeah there's no shot. People are fucking dumb falling for this shit

[@Ajme-kb4os]

This shit doesn’t have any receipts .

[@Zillarax]

Considering how much money he brought in to Twitch, it's pretty hard to believe they would have cut ties over a simple "Thanks" message.

[@adexplorers]

Sounds weird to me. How should he had known how the viewer looks or anything. Would be more realistic if he found them on IG etc.

[@-FAFO-]

@@Zillarax Yeah, i mean it's not technically illegal to talk to minors in private in general, but it IS if you're saying anything sexual. I just don't understand how Doc got away with suing Twitch and winning, if all of this is to be believed. He would've had to been saying he didn't know the person was a minor, which i'm not sure would even matter, the onus is on you to find out.

[@Itssstotallykyle]

Love that you ended with telling everyone to do their own research and make their own judgement rather than waiting for people they like to do it for them.

[@TokeThenJoke]

"We assumed his innocence and began speaking with parties involved. And in order to maintain our principles and standards as a studio and individuals, we needed to act." Sounds like there is some evidence.

[@xSling0x]

I’m on docs side until I see evidence. Simple.

[@NoobShiesty]

Lud really gripping that mic like it's going to leave him

[@mrpoparq]

good to know that the whole time Mogul Mail was Zipper behind the scenes.

[@kktt82]

at 6:10 and yes, sounds like to me that the "sueing the fuck out of them" was actually an "due to their contractual obligation to me and the fact that I found out I had an out because they read the messages, I sued them to shut them up before anything else could be spoken about the situation to the public. So thats the end of that and it buried."

[@cdm8909]

bro i thought Ludwig was a Journalism major, the thumbnail got a "immidiately" 😭😭😭

[@hellboy19991]

bro never claimed to have studied the english language, now did he? ;)

[@themissingsamurai]

at around 5:30 you said that the lawsuit was successful which isn't entirely true as it was settled not won

[@aightm8]

What? So if the settlement is for party A to pay party B millions. Thats equal is it, lol. Settlement just means it was sorted before it went to a courtroom.

[@M0J0-RL236]

@@aightm8that's a pointless hypothetical. they both agreed to something. it doesn't mean someone can say they WON. Doc didn't even deny anything he just stuck to his legal speak which just means "i didn't admit wrongdoing"

[@aightm8]

@@M0J0-RL236 nope. A settlement is often reached when the defendant knows the litigation is unwinnable. So they concede defeat early and outside of the courtroom to avoid a lengthy process, legal fees, admitting guilt and reputational damage. Also if two parties have an equal chance they might settle for a lesser amount for the same reasons. Either way the defendant walks away with less than what they had, and the plaintiff walks away with more. You are not smart I'm sorry to say.

[@Xnorre]

@@M0J0-RL236big companies don’t settle cases they can win bro 😂

[@nxvh9062]

​@@Xnorreexactly this. If twitch, an enormous and very profitable corporation, settled out of court, it means they KNEW they were going to lose.

[@therealruru]

Why are you so quick to (correctly) criticize Dr Disrespect for inappropriate acts with a minor, but remain silent when Cody Ko (your friend and arguably much bigger creator than Dr Disrespect) is allegedly doing a similar crime...

[@antherny1069]

And now Ava Kris Tyson

[@theofficialgoofygoober]

​@@antherny1069 literally 5 hours after you said this he spoke up about it, give the guy time to make a video. I will say though, in the newer video he does mention cody co being awful.

[@StanleyKubick1]

From someone who has been in many backroom board meetings, this is how I see it: improprieties are found that don't rise to criminal acts, and the company decides to distance themselves from the partnership. the payout is the quickest way to do that

[@Franco4theFree]

here's my theory: it's a just a big privacy violation. twitch found out doc was up to something sus while monitoring twitch whispers, twitch acted on it, but violated some major privacy rights in doing so. i would assume the contract (and federal law) says you cant read through someone's private messages, let alone back out of a contract because of what you saw... so when they banned him, he sued, saying you cant ban me, youre violating my rights, my contract, and the law, and he won his case easily, getting paid out in full. if it came out that twitch was monitoring people's whispers, it would be a major violation of privacy. probably why everyone's tip toeing around it. if doc says anything, he doesnt get paid. if twitch says anything, they lose all their credibility and their stonks drop like crazy. just a guess lol

[@Topgorilla_]

This actually checks out. A good ol fashioned Mexican stand off.

[@highrofellos6721]

I had a similar vein, but I thought maybe it was a "Lied about Age" and Doc asked someone to verify that person's age before he leapt in....so Twitch screwed up giving Doc info on the age the account claimed (Breaking privacy), Doc screwed up, and since they acted on info given and "Verified" by the third party at the accounts creation they didn't have enough for a criminal charge. Thus everyone at the civil trial goes "Nope we don't want to talk about it anymore" they all NDA up....get some cash moved around....and hope everyone stays clammed up forever.

[@ImHeatless]

I feel like Doc is bound by an NDA to the point he can't say much without severe consequences and Midnight "terminated" Doc to save their reputation which makes sense for a company to do. I think he's innocent but i guess we won't know till we know.

[@GMMitch]

Yo Lud, I just want to say how nice it is to hear some news about something unsavory and also have you tell us to not be sheep and form our own opinions. in this day and age it is so easy for people to hear what's going on and take it as face value as the facts. this is why you are one of my favorite content creators! Keep it real -GMM

[@Vexlich]

6:50 I have another reason, doc won the lawsuit, he could’ve sued them for privacy breach reasons & won, but still is guilty of whatever they found, so it could’ve been settled by him getting paid out his contract in full but stays perma banned from twitch due to breach of policy

[@NJTRAF]

Generally speaking, I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, however, what I will say is that, generally speaking, there’s no smoke without fire. If he had done nothing wrong at all, Twitch wouldn’t have banned him, he was their biggest streamer. Discord wouldn’t have banned him either. So I subscribe to the theory that, if it’s true, then while he may not have committed any crime, perhaps not knowing the person was a minor, there was enough wrongdoing for Twitch and Discord to break ties with him and keep it quiet as to the reason why.

[@godlyvex5543]

It's crazy I see so many people parroting this phrase about smoke and fire. There's no way you're naive enough to think "SURELY nobody would accuse somebody of something they didn't do." The phrase about smoke and fire takes that for granted, but that just isn't true. People have so many reasons to want to sabotage someone else. The guy who leaked this is someone who has something to gain from saying this. I doubt that he specifically is the one who started this, but the point remains that people have reasons to lie.

[@QargZer]

Mixer was going away at that time which could be a reason to try and back out of his contract. Something big is going to come out of this and I have a feeling the accuser is going to go bankrupt

[@zackestin1368]

@@godlyvex5543 its not "somebody accused him" its "several multi billion dollar corporations, and now his own company, acted on things".

[@aniyilator]

​@@godlyvex5543To side bar the conversation about this Cody guy who, yes, definitely gained attention from making his Doc tweets, Doc's OWN company terminating him is what I think should be more focused on. They're going to lose the majority of their game's potential success as a result of their decision, and based on the tone in their tweet they're very aware of that.

[@godlyvex5543]

@@zackestin1368 Uh huh. And we all know companies are completely rational and wouldn't act on a rumor, right? They'd never fire somebody who allegedly did something without first making sure they actually did that thing... Right?

[@lovehellmusic]

If I was accused of texting a minor and I was innocent, I would say " I did not text a minor wtf" he is doing anything but that and that's sus

[@slaebae3434]

Dude got fired live and tried to save face by saying he quits is fucking hilarious lmao

[@learnt7398]

Just tweeted that he did it

[@chloeclevidence8211]

I really respect how lud approaches topics like this. Doesn’t sensationalize, just lays out the stories and lets the viewers decide. He’s respectful to all parties involved. Stand up dude.

[@myleft9397]

Good video, haven't watched you before, you're the first I've seen mention this midnight society thing

[@dymetex6360]

because it happened today. most videos on the situation were made over the weekend.