The Drumhead - TNG

Trecho do episódio de Jornada nas Estrelas : The Drumhead - TNG

[@kiko1935]

Love when the Admiral walks out in the middle of her meltdown, completely disgusted and wanting nothing to do with any of it.

[@samanthapatrick4345]

it's what happens when there are those running the the witch hunts or drum heads show who they really are and those supported them quietly leave feeling very embarresed

[@joe9739]

Hed probably been on the fence about her for awhile.. Or, Admiral Stanley Hudson remembered it was Pretzel Day on the Enterprise D.

[@andreidru3370]

@@joe9739 that's a Stanley(Office) reference! Is it the same actor?

[@oddish4352]

When listing the best lines in Trek, I usually include the Admiral's "..." His silence was devastating.

[@ericdarden2751]

I like how Picard doesn't try to calm her down her fight back when she goes on that rant. As another famous French guy said, "Never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake."

[@ThatLadKev]

Please proceed governor

[@makasete30]

Picard is one of the most British characters ever created. I don’t why they bothered to say he was French.

[@vidsburgh6022]

@@makasete30 it’s a flimsy explanation, but let’s not forget that Earth in the Trek universe is a post-apocalyptic society. Few details have been given on WWIII, and it’s entirely possible that France was more or less wiped off the map. We know the following: - It was a nuclear war with a death toll exceeding 600 million - Most of the world’s major cities were destroyed - French is considered an obscure nearly forgotten language (data in season 1 or 2 brings it up) - Every Frenchman in the series has a British accent. - No self respecting Frenchman is going to give up their accent Through the transitive property of bullshit, this leads to the disturbing conclusion that France was effectively destroyed and repopulated largely by refugees from Britain. Picard does supposedly have old French roots, true, but if we are already starting down this rabbit hole we may as well go for broke. It’s elementary, my dear KZbinr. If we assume that his direct ancestor in the late 21st century was a young war orphan adopted by British migrants, due to a lack of French influence he never would have developed the accent and instead be more aligned with his adoptive parents. He then marries a young Welsh woman, who narrowly escaped when a nuclear bomb nearly created a multi-franchise inter dimensional crossrip by exploding in a space-time rift in Cardiff. While lawyers successfully prevented an intersection between this universe and the Gallifreyan time vortex, leading to the literal interpretation of “kill all the lawyers” (as referenced in Encounter at Farpoint), this ultimately resulted in the elimination of all direct connection to French language and culture from the budding Picard family. It was around this time that the rest of the population decided that they had heard quite enough of the Welsh accent, and in the inquisitions of the post-atomic horror the family was sent to a reeducation camp where they were forced to watch the only surviving copy of the George C Scott version of “A Christmas Carol” on repeat until they learned to speak “properly.” A curious side effect was that the family’s children had internalized the dialog to such an extent that they were capable of performing the entire production as a one man play. The sibling rivalry was certainly quite the spectacle in that family. Tragically, this became a form of compulsive behavior for some, leading to the rarely mentioned “lost generation” of Picards, who spent most of their lives institutionalized at the British Academy of Performing Arts, now formally recognized as a home for the criminally insane. Aside from records on ancestry.com, which somehow survived the apocalypse and had scanned images of the long destroyed painting of the great Admiral Picard that he so proudly displays, the good captain thus in every meaningful sense has no French heritage and therefore is, in fact, “culturally British”.

[@cygnustsp]

@@vidsburgh6022 good lord lol I'm impressed

[@KrolKaz]

Which is quiet ironic seeing as the actor playing the role is part of the British elite and doesn't belive any of this.

[@obical9069]

"I've brought down bigger men than you, Picard!" Actually, he just destroyed you in front of a room full of people and even caused you to lose your shit in front of the Admiral, who walked out, effectively ending the trial. And all Picard did was keep his cool, stand by his morals and show her up by quoting her dad. Priceless.

[@salag13]

+Calum Hunter That right there is why Picard is the best captain.

[@ralphyetmore]

+Calum Hunter He didn't have to destroy her. She self-destructed, and realized that the moment she heard herself say those exact words.

[@girlgarde]

+ralphyetmore Yeah, Satie worked herself up into a rage with her accusations and all Picard had to do to cause her to blow up and make an ass of herself was to quote her father and imply that he wouldn't have approved of his daughter's actions and would be disappointed in her.

[@girlgarde]

+Calum Hunter Yeah, it's easy to see that let her emotions get away from her as she was quivering with rage during her ranting and stated how she truly felt about Picard. He basically scored a knockout punch on Satie and she flailed about as she went down in flames.

[@BeckettSong]

+Calum Hunter Like what happened in an episode of Quantum Leap(*Camikaze Kid*). Dr. Sam Beckett(playing the part of a male teenager) had to save his host's sister from a man who was a monster underneath a pretty boy shell. All he had to do was figure out a way to rub him up the wrong way to make the enemy within arise and save his sister from marrying that insidious monster. I pity him. I pity Admiral Satie. But I do not hate them.

[@davecrupel2817]

She stabs at him with the most traumatic thing he has ever endured, that possibly any human *can ever* endure, and fails to break him. He makes 1 lowsy referance to her father (not even an insulting referance), not even her, and snaps her like a twig. Just goes to show who's the one with integrity here.

[@David-es4pi]

Late response, but you're absolutely right. It was honestly pathetic, and the perfect example of someone being able to "dish it out," but not take it themselves.

[@nigelmurphy6761]

and the irony is that she tried to destroy him but picard ended up absolutely destroying her instead and all he had to do was just use her own father's words against her.

[@punishr36]

The other actor?

[@dwightstewart7181]

You do know these are actors and none of this actually happened, right? Can't tell that from your comment.

[@punishr36]

@@dwightstewart7181 Isn't it hilarious?

[@carlo1831]

I just loved it when Admiral Thomas got up and left the room. Didn't say a word. He didn't have to. You could tell what he's thinking. _I've heard just about enough of this. I'm done here. And so is this inquest._

[@GenGamesUniverse]

Nah, he's embarrassed that he's allowed those witch hunts to go on and when Picard exposed her for what she was, that was the straw that broke the camels back.

[@swishfish8858]

Or, y'no, "man, I sure am hungry. I'ma go get a sammich."

[@mackielunkey2205]

Thomas: Screw you guys. I’m going home.

[@oddish4352]

I know that the admiral had played his part perfectly without one syllable of dialogue... but it would have been fun to watch him drop the hammer on Satie later on.

[@MrBrownsugar85]

@@GenGamesUniverse pole smoker

[@clairestark9024]

The sad thing is her father sounds like a genuinely good man.

[@develynseether4426]

I think she was too when she was younger, she has just let her pursuit of the truth as she sees it to cloud her way.

[@Helbore]

@@develynseether4426 That is actually the hidden message of this episode. Its not about wolves in sheep's clothing, but how good people can end up becoming villains given time.

[@josephfish3353]

Hard times create strong men, strong men create easy times, easy times create soft men and soft men create hard times...

[@clairestark9024]

@@josephfish3353 I've heard that before, oddly enough from people closer to her than picard.

[@josephfish3353]

@@clairestark9024 what the hell dude? You don't even know me.

[@toddsmitts]

*Satie:* Tell me, Captain, have you completely recovered from your experience with the Borg? *Picard:* NO! NOOOOOOOOOO!!!! (Smashes glass display case)

[@DogsRNice]

He was under control until he was faced with them again (and the people making the movie wanted a big dramatic scene of him getting angry)

[@nickcalvert769]

You broke your little ships

[@TheFinePool]

@VHTesla but wolf 359 was an inside job.

[@Slopmaster]

@@TheFinePool and The Changelings aren’t real.

[@MedalionDS9]

This is why you never let Patrick Stewart take creative control for his character... he never wrote for his character in TNG

[@ryanrobotham7696]

What I love about The Next Generation is that it shows how even a Utopian future like Roddenberry's can still be vulnerable to self-righteousness and complacency, which is what Picard combats throughout the series, sometimes within himself. Showing the flaws in the system was something that Roddenberry wasn't willing to explore for better or worse, but I don't think showing them deviates from his vision, but shows that while it's worth striving for, the real challenge is maintaining it.

[@wierdalien1]

tugatomsk DS9 is the best of the series because it is the most consistent of all of them. Voyager failed because Ira Steven Behr wasnt showrunner.

[@7Earthsky]

Pure ass gravy.

[@Moviefan2k4]

The problem with any vision of a utopian mortal future, is that its ultimately impossible. There will always be people who disagree about things they're passionate about, and until Jesus comes back, selfishness will always be a part of the human condition. You can't use genetics to remove something, that was never part of our genes to begin with. Two of the first words every child quickly learns are "no" and "mine". Roddenberry had a well-known saying: "In the 24th century, there will be no hunger, no greed, and every child will know how to read." The last part will likely be possible, but to achieve the others you'd have to remove selfishness from all humanity...which would require the removal of free will. That doesn't sound like any kind of utopia to me.

[@Heffsta02]

wow, great comment, 100 percent hit the nail on the head.

[@speeta]

@Moviefan2k4 You wouldn't have to remove ruthless selfishness, you'd have to stop rewarding it, encouraging it, respecting it, not-so-secretly admiring it as our culture does now. Remember Picard's disgust when he learns the "terrorists" aboard his vessel are mercenaries? "I should have known. This is about profit."

[@gedias1]

One thing that was amazing about this episode is that there were no special effects used. It was a budget-saving show that used good writing and acting instead of action scenes.

[@ThePoshboy1]

Yeah it's amazing how many bottle episodes (low budget episodes) I love from tng.

[@saberiandream316]

I miss the cable days, not just for Star Trek itself, but other classic sci-fi shows of its day that had the same sober and seasoned management productions, like the Stargate shows and Babylon 5. You will never get the same level of quality in the streaming wars. It is literally impossible. Step one, homogenizing of the arts, complete! Step two... we don't want to know.

[@freddie-fucknmercury891]

@@saberiandream316 phase 3, profit!

[@zamiyaFlow]

These very simple concepts of acting and good writing, are completely beyond Alex Kurzman's understanding

[@erichall090909]

The best special effects are 2 people talking

[@Libertariandude]

When I heard this speech as a kid in junior high, I felt it was the most important scene in the entire series. Picard was a man I wanted to be like when I grew up. I will be turning 40 soon, and I still feel it to be a scene with a timeless message.

[@inusberard5848]

andrew Hoard This scene I tie with Picard's torture scene in "Chain of Command" for best scenes.

[@roadkillz78]

I agree with you both! Both episodes have morality lessons that will be appropriate for any time, because these issues can always arise and repeat again.

[@dwightstewart7181]

I stopped wanting to be like movie or television characters when I was about ten years old. Like Santa Claus & the Easter Bunny years earlier, they're all completely and utterly fake.

[@stealth2951]

@@dwightstewart7181, I agree, you should be yourself. But you can learn lessons and perspectives in life even if it's a actor, book, movie, etc. We are who we are in life from everyone that has influenced us in some way.

[@jumpdogbarkbark13]

And decided to be miserable instead?

[@sn00ke]

2:08 Admiral be like "shiiiiiit I coulda been golfing on the holodeck all this time"

[@SpywareEverywhere]

fun fact: Riker directed this episode.

[@mrk457]

😂😂

[@GoGoTwice]

Hahahaha!!

[@KneelB4Bacon]

Yeah, he's like, "Ooooooooohhh-kay. I've heard enough."

[@charleskinsey2077]

Did he even say anything thoughout the episode? I dont think so.

[@Malachai117]

“The first time any mans freedom is trodden on, we are all damaged”. The immense weight of this quote cannot be measured by conventional means.

[@williammorahan4907]

Reminds me ver much of this classic gem that also dealt with the dangers of persecution and oppression - kzbin.info/www/bejne/rHikooyEe7aXkJY

[@PickledFaces]

Wish people remembered this during covid times. So many witch hunts occurred.

[@slowfreq]

If only they'd known that this stops being true if someone is really, really mean.

[@rkgk1517]

The actress of Satie, Jean Simmons, was a huge fan of the show and really wanted a role.

[@AntPDC]

She's stellar.

[@kellyrayburn4093]

She's a great actress. She NAILED that part.

[@cherylannemason]

She had a couple of highly memorable roles as a teenager--in "Black Narcissus" and "Hamlet"--and by this time could dominate any screen just by the lift of an eyebrow.

[@michaelgove9349]

She was some actor. Golden Globe best actress for her performance opposite Brando in Guys & Dolls. Couple of Oscar nominations - arguably should have won one for her Ophelia in Olivier's Hamlet. Great watching her and Patrick Stewart do their thing here.

[@ContemporaryCompendium]

I also would've loved to have seen Gene Simmons as a character in TNG 😜

[@naranara1690]

What a douchey thing to do. "Hey, remember how you were turned into a robot zombie and forced against your will to kill thousands of innocent people? Aww, what a shame that was! Are you suuuuuuuuuuuuure you've recovered from that?"

[@tonyjackson1636]

And Picard was like....cool story....let's quote your dad.

[@VGamingJunkie]

@@tonyjackson1636 He knew it would get an emotional reaction out of her, he got her to expose the whole reason she did this. It was never about justice, it was about confirming her predetermined verdict of guilty.

[@FlyingMonkies325]

Yup it was wrong but she's having a nervous breakdown over her father's death it's plainly obvious, i read a year later she was dong better after receiving help and she helped expose the parasitic alien lifeform that infiltrated earth. It's clear it was a slow decline until this episode she loved her father very much and she obviously didn't know how to deal with the pain she felt and she either felt she couldn't talk to anyone about it or was too proud to ask for help i'm gonna go with the latter she DID seem overly proud.

[@TaliaIGhul]

@@VGamingJunkie She low-blowed Picard with his tragic and traumatic history with The Borg, so it was fair game. :D

[@VGamingJunkie]

@@TaliaIGhul Oh, I know. They were both using psychological warfare, but Picard is much better at it.

[@catherinesouth2142]

What really pushes the point home is at the end of the scene. Everyone leaves as the recess is called, even her aide, as the camera pulls back and up to show Simmons small, alone, and utterly isolated. Beautifully done

[@RDMacQ]

God, the music in this scene. It's incredible. That swelling emotional music when Picard begins his speech, full of pride and nobility, that then segues beautifully into Satei's insane ramble, highlighting her instability. It's amazing what music can do to set a scene.

[@kevinpunzalan7681]

Sadly, the composer, Ron Jones, was fired by the producer Rick Berman right after this episode because he felt the music was becoming "too noticeable" and wanted the music to remain in the background. Ron Jones is awesome!

[@KRAFTWERK2K6]

@@kevinpunzalan7681 One of the few moments where Rick Berman was actually wrong.

[@Kanerudo]

Sometimes, all you need is a good soundtrack to turn a good moment into an epic moment. Many shows like Star Trek showed that but sadly other shows don't Here a funny example of how music can change the whole meaning of a scene and, in the worst cast, destroy the moment kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZfCkn-mebKZZ7c

[@edgymoji8260]

@@kevinpunzalan7681 fired him??? Weird move, he could’ve asked the editor to turn it down a bit…

[@scottyunitedboy2925]

@@edgymoji8260 I suspect that there is more to it than that- by the fourth season, the show had become very expensive to produce and Berman (and/or the studio) rightly or wrongly possibly felt they could save some money by getting a cheaper composer.

[@cloudparter]

Jean Simmons was electric in this scene. Legendary Actor. Seeing her go toe-to-toe with another legend in Patrick Stewart was a feast.

[@girlgarde]

+cloudparter Heck yeah! These two had a legendary series of great scenes with each other with this one being the best of them all! They performed their respective roles quite well.......

[@jamezkpal2361]

See her obliterate Olivier in the original Spartacus

[@sephservant]

Never push the Borg button with Picard.

[@Renji9031]

She shouldn't have did that.

[@Moviefan2k4]

At least he had the pleasure of destroying the original Borg Queen.

[@VGamingJunkie]

And then she acts like it's his fault, like he had any choice in the matter. It was a very dirty tactic, she was trying to get a rise out of him so he did likewise, he's just much better at it.

[@SharleyParamonov]

@@Renji9031 I understood that reference!

[@FlyingMonkies325]

He didn't want to go there and destroy Admiral Satie so she never pushed any buttons he knew she was having a nervous breakdown over her father's death, i dunno when he died or what happened but it must have been something traumatizing to go into blaming others but it was more of a mercy killing than anything.

[@tek512]

A lot of captains and admirals allowed Satie to get away with her witch hunts. Unfortunately for her, Picard never gave a damn about the admiralty. He'll do what he believes is correct regardless, and in this case the correct move was baiting her crazy ass into revealing just how crazy she is.

[@VGamingJunkie]

He knew that she decided from the start that he was guilty, he just had to prove it by quoting her Father so that she'd get an emotional reaction. She was trying to do the same to him by bringing up his Borg assimilation, he's simply better at it.

[@pirobot668beta]

@@VGamingJunkie Someone once wrote that true communication is possible only between equals. She stabbed at Picard's feelings, he answered in turn.

[@oddish4352]

3 Rules of Star Trek... 1. If you see the Janeway Death Glare... run. 2. Never betray Ben Sisko. 3. If you're going to take on Picard in court, you better bring your A game.

[@curtisberard7831]

@@oddish4352 I dohbt anyone's A gane coukd be Picard. Imagine him as defense on a murder trial...he'd be so good the judge would say "would the pkantiff please rise"

[@oddish4352]

@@curtisberard7831 I think you may be right. Rule #4. Watch what you say... you never know what may be Odo.

[@Locktwiste72]

When the admiral walked out, it was his way of say: ""I've had enough of this farce!" Challenging Picard about his imprisonment by the Borg is a SERIOUS mistake.

[@oddish4352]

When asked to list some of Trek's best lines, I included: "..." - Adm. Thomas Henry, "The Drumhead". He didn't say anything. He didn't have to.

[@PassiveSmoking]

You know that what happened with the Borg is something that will haunt Picard until his dying day. It took all of his self-control to stay calm when she would dare use that complete and utter violation of his person against him. Even then it still prompted him to respond with a tactical nuclear Picard speech that reduced her career to a shadow on the wall.

[@saberiandream316]

@@oddish4352 Who says you need dialogue to leave a huge impact?

[@oddish4352]

@@saberiandream316 Someone who didn't see this episode. 😉

[@rasikkom9605]

The admiral had the best line in all of this: Silence. I also LOVE how everyone looked at him walking out.

[@dars5229]

We need more people like him.

[@SantomPh]

he went to his quarters with his aide, undid his jackets, shook his head and went' Shieeeeeeet'

[@toddsmitts]

"Yes, I have completely recovered." I can think of some little ships in the conference room on the Enterprise-E who might disagree with that.

[@Mark-yn4vl]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! *WHAM!*

[@JamesJ30t]

I will make them pay for what they have done.

[@Moviefan2k4]

Well, you can see he was holding back in that scene; it was obvious from the start. How could anyone recover that quickly, from a horror so severe? It would take a miracle from God, quite frankly.

[@curtisberard2632]

I think the term he should've used is that he's come to terms with it.

[@RogueDragon05]

There's the truth you tell your soul, and there's the truth you tell an enemy looking for any weakness to tear you down.

[@MatthewStephensAU]

The quotation was actually Picard's second 'speech' of the scene. It's not shown here, but his opening statement was about using the law to show compassion, and letting common sense rule over paranoia. She ignored that and played the 'Borg' Card. At 00:40, you can see the exact moment he realized he was going to attack her raw nerve. If you've seen the episode, he knows what her buttons are, and he refuses to push them, because it's not how he wants to play this. Then she takes it this far, and he fires back so politely... And she collapses. She reaches far enough that she completely falls over, and her Drumhead reveals it's about the bullying of paranoid people, more than the actions of anyone she investigates. As all the witch-hunts are.

[@billwithers7457]

I think the moment he decided to destroy her was when she questioned his loyalty. You can see his hand freeze on his brow when she says it. At first, he's just chillin. "I question your actions, captain. I question your choices." Well, no shit. He does too. Certainly a lot more than she does. It is fundamental to growth to doubt ones decisions and actions. If you never doubt yourself, if you always thing you're right in every action you take and decision you make, there is no room for you to grow. But when she questioned his loyalty... Ooh, that's a bridge waaaay too far. It's fine to question his decisions, even criticize them. But his loyalty is completely unimpeachable. Dude is so loyal to starfleet he literally overrode his own assimilation. You attack that, prepare for a reckoning.

[@michaelbell8834]

Satie implied that Picard intentionally joined with the Borg in an attempt to weaken and/or destroy the Federation. When she said that, she displayed the depth of her paranoia and xenophobia.

[@saberiandream316]

@@michaelbell8834 Kinda telling since despite his understandable hostility. not even The Sisko ever thought Picard was a traitor. He just had a hard time being in the same room with the body that technically killed his wife. It shows you how far Satie had sunk.

[@lazurusredd8682]

Picard: Okay bitch we wanna take to that level? Let's go

[@Nodrog666]

So many people approach politics and philosophy like this in real life. It's scary.

[@pendragonshall]

Leos Klein actually just the liberals I’m really sick of people saying this is how people approach politics when it’s almost always one-sided the liberals. It’s the same thing with Christians. Whenever Islam followers do something and it’s almost always Muslims. People like you say this is the problem with religion no. So no. It’s almost always and exclusively Muslims and or Democrats and always a liberal

[@metawarp7446]

@@pendragonshallExtending ones political beliefs deep into to his/her identity is an universal phenomenon, and it precisely leads to this kind of argumentation. I lean right, but I think if I denyed unjust argumentatuon I see in comment sections for example, I would be no bettee than joutnalist who deny any kind of leftist bias.

[@pendragonshall]

@@metawarp7446 What i said is still factual. If you don't see it. You're not just not looking. But you're looking the other way

[@VGamingJunkie]

The Salem Witch Trials, McCarthyism, Me Too. Make no mistake, everyone of every ideology can fall prey to this trap. The trap of creating purity tests with the sole intention of destroying anyone who would oppose you.

[@FRACTUREDVISIONmusic]

@@pendragonshall , using labels doesn't mean you know shit about shit - in fact, it pretty much shows you have the intellect of a stunted 8th grader. Fox News Corp must have your brain on "speed-dial down".

[@razayousaf2796]

I think a lot of people fail to understand the Admiral. She genuinely believes in what she's doing, her determination to outdo her father has led her to see conspiracy in everything. She genuinely believes she is the only one who can see the threat of the conspiracy and how it could bring down the Federation. Picard's rebuke wasn't about her foolishness, it was about the fact that she has so obviously lost her way. That she started with the best of intentions, cannot disguise the fact that she has unwittingly become a single person inquisition.

[@BlololzSec]

Just another bored pensioner with nothing better to do. Bored in their retirement, to fix a problem where there isn't one.

[@drflaggstaff9008]

I don't think anyone is "failing to understand her". Thinking you're a good person doesn't make you one. Shes wrong. What's anyone missing?

[@marsneedstowels]

@@drflaggstaff9008 The missing part i'm assuming is the intent. This is, to put it in DnD terms, Lawful Neutral vs Lawful Neutral.

[@MrNoot39449]

The worst kind of evil is the one that thinks it's doing good

[@crazylarryjr]

That's the problem, The worst perversions are sometimes done with the best intentions. This is a problem knowing when to stop when something is working so well

[@falcon3268]

Picard baited Satie into this, he knew that while he couldn't outright call her unstability, he knew that she was one the very edge of being insane. Picard did the right thing, Satie had already destroyed a lot of careers yet the Admirality didn't do a damn thing allowing her to conduct a witch hunt it was time for the final stone to be cast to allow Satie to destroy one last career...her own.

[@Poop-nu1so]

falcon3268 damn straight

[@flooshar]

The saying of "giving a person enough rope to hang themselves" comes to mind here

[@Ardenwolfe]

Very well said.

[@DigenisGR]

Any chance Tom Cruise vs Jack Nicholson in the movie A Few Good Men ( you knowm the "you f@cked with the wrong marine" movie) got based in this scene?

[@VGamingJunkie]

All he had to do was use her Father's words against her, and that provoked an emotional response. She already determined his guilt before this trial had even begun, and the thought of some guilty traitor quoting her Father sent her over the edge. It was a psychological battle, and Picard already won 3 moves ago.

[@Psiros]

The admiral leaving without a single word was just as powerful; The act itself basically said "Checkmate" for Capt. Picard.

[@manweller1]

Psiros the look on the Admirals face priceless. Checkmate I agree wholeheartedly.

[@cherylannemason]

This clip actually cuts off just before Satie's assistant turns and leaves her utterly alone in the room--an attack of conscience? Or perhaps a hope of at least salvaging her own career?

[@lkvideos7181]

@shafta99 haha yeah.

[@VGamingJunkie]

"Screw this, I thought this was a trial not a witch hunt"

[@pirobot668beta]

@@cherylannemason The assistant knew her job had just ended.

[@watchgoose]

Picard's words are perfect for today.

[@alessandroarcuri209]

Patrick Stewart's delivery, when he begins Picard's speech, is incredible. Not one bit overly dramatic, almost careless, as if he was quoting the phone book. Picard had to prepare the final blow without giving it away too soon, therefore letting Satie fall all by herself, not pushed by someone else's rage but hers. As he kept on speaking he became even colder until she snapped. Stellar work, here.

[@andrewpepper3145]

I love that little look from Riker when Picard begins quoting her father's words. I like to think Riker is enough of a scholar that he recognises the quote straight away. Then you get that little moment of realisation from him WHAT Picard is saying and WHO he's saying it to and he kind of looks like he knows what's about to happen. Shows how well he knows Picard and how he does things

[@ljbrandt500]

Great observation of a small detail. It's the details that make this a masterpiece of writing, acting and overall execution. Wish we had production of this quality today

[@thegameknight8916]

Also, look at Satie's face as Picard quotes her father. _That's insane, zealous rage._ She's so blinkered by her hatred and her ego that Picard's quote from her father set her off, like a volcano. Compared to Riker, who has an "Ahhh, so _that's_ what you're doing." expression on his face, her's is more of a mask of _"How_ *_DARE_* _you!"_ mask that we have seen all too many times on vain, self-important hypocrites like her. People who are so full of themselves, they don't realize just how selfish they are until it's too late.

[@jimmerjabberer]

Even SHE knows she’s completely sabotaged herself. This scene is so powerful on so many levels. There’s a reason this is one of my favorite episodes.

[@SantomPh]

never trust an Admiral in a dress.

[@SuperMrDeadpool]

Yeah, love the look on her face after she runs out of indignant steam and realizes she totally lost the room.

[@PMW3]

my favorite part of this is when the admiral gets up and leaves without saying anything. His silence is more profound than the boisterous speeches given here

[@JacksonWithrow82]

I recall this as one of the best "non speaking" parts in any Star Trek series. I like the look on his face during the shot just before he gets up. Subtle but effective. The director must have been very pleased to have that guy cast.

[@stevenwilliams2617]

he just wanted to get to the buffet dinner first, 😁

[@oddish4352]

When I quote Trek's greatest lines, I will often add in: "..." - Adm. Thomas Henry. He didn't say anything. He didn't have to.

[@Stardweller1]

Picard: *Makes really good argument using words of a respected Starfleet officer whose daughter is in the room.* Sati: *Flips out.* Head of Starfleet Security (thinking): I've heard enough.

[@howlbigbadwolf]

1:59-2:20 Black man looking like, "The hell this dumb bitch talking about *gets up* I could have been in bed, got me out here with this B.S, taking my ass to Popeyes"

[@KneelB4Bacon]

Hoisted on her own petard. She either has to publicly agree with her father's philosophy and call an end to this, or disavow his philosophy and continue with a show trial.

[@joshuaizly5502]

That's a weirdly stereotypical interpretation of what he might be thinking of.

[@scotthullinger4684]

This was one of the best Star Trek episodes.

[@samanthapatrick4345]

another favourite episode of TNG is The Outcast but it has a very sad ending to it

[@FightFancom]

It's one thing to strike someone down with a lightsaber... it's an entirely different thing to do so with an unwavering sense of integrity.

[@VGamingJunkie]

Of course, even the Enterprise had to fire its weapons from time to time. Strong men know when it's time to use the sword and when it's time to use the equally sharp tongue.

[@chrisd2051]

A saying I use, "Know when to draw your tongue and know when to draw your sword, but be precise with both."

[@sheabutter3260]

This is a most excellent statement and an extremely viable arguement. A factual argument at that.

[@oddish4352]

Picard made Satie look at what she had become, that she was everything her father opposed.

[@wyqtor]

It's not something we will see again in any Trek series anytime soon.

[@GrandSupremeDaddyo]

A speech as relevant today as it ever was.

[@chondrinenigma]

Someone needs to sit the likes of Zuccerberg and Dorsey down and get them to watch this.

[@helderjulio7753]

Indeed. Cancel culture and leftist hipocrisy exposed right there... If they knowed in 20 years that turned to be reality in today times... Visionary this episode.

[@tenhirankei]

@@helderjulio7753 Star Trek TNG is next on their list!

[@i.m.9918]

@ Helder Julio- Its as if you’ve never heard of Joseph McCarthy. Hello? This is a direct reflection of the Republican purge of so-called ‘leftists’ in society, and the film industry in particular, in the immediate post-WWII era where everybody was being accused of collusion with communists. Reflecting Picard’s scene here, finally McCarthy was publicly opposed during a hearing when he was responded to by being asked ‘Have you no shame?’ Thus the term ‘McCarthyism’. Hello? Please read a little. Please.

[@sgray001]

@@i.m.9918 It was wrong then. And it's wrong now. Freedom of speech is _the_ fundamental building block on which every other humane quality is built.

[@TTony-tu6dm]

Love the way the admiral silently gets up and leaves, as to say “yup, that’s enough of this horseshit”

[@justinjha]

this is an outstanding scene with two great actors. The excellent score further enhances the scene

[@kuribayashi84]

+justinjha This was the last episode Ron Jones composed the music for. At the end of the 4th Season, he was fired for arguing many times with Rick Berman over what music was appropiate for the series (Berman thought what Jones wrote was 'too noticable'). I think that decision was bullshit. The best Scores of TNG were by Jones (including "Best of Both Worlds").

[@justinjha]

Agreed

[@nefariousnilbog]

+Schwatvogel dammn

[@RMJ1984]

And it was achieved without lens flares. dubstep music, women in revealing clothing. explosion or shaky cam. Sometimes, the old ways are best :)

[@Aeroldoth3]

What bothers me about situations like this is that all the people like Satie, the ones who wrap themselves in patriotism, or religion, or morality, after spending so much time pointing fingers at others and ruining countless lives with nothing more than allegation and innuendo, do not ever suffer THEMSELVES for all the harm they've done. They ruin, they devastate, they slander and destroy, and when it's finally realized they're full of it, they walk away, unpunished, no consequence whatsoever for all the evil they've done. People's entire future can be ruined from a simple lie, losing their family, their career, their freedom and even their lives. It's why I challenge all accusations and demand proof before jumping on the blame train.

[@curtisberard2632]

Well Satie did suffer in some points. She lost any kind ofrespect she may have had from anyone within Starfleet and as Worf said, "I do not think people will be as willing to believe her..."

[@PassiveDestroyer]

While that's true, it's a rather minor disgrace compared to the slander they cause. Think about it, in the aftermath of something like this, who still suffers? In our culture it's the accused. Look back at the OJ trial for proof.

[@curtisberard2632]

Very good point. Kind of like a tumor that continues to grow despite the root having been dsestroyed.

[@Persian-Immortal]

Brilliantly said!!! This is what Star Trek is about.. Gene taught us that, even in an utopian era we will still come across people like them. However, in an utopian era we can stand up to them and even can defy them!!!

[@JustB3NJI]

Revenge is an ugly emotion.

[@TheKoss11]

The minute I heard her say “I’ve brought down bigger men than you Picard!” I knew she fucked up! For years when I meet people like her, this line replays in my mind at full volume. All I have to say is “Shaka, when the walls fell!” 🤣

[@theenzoferrari458]

And picard has brought bigger women than her down. For one the borg queen. For 2 it's doctor crusher. Lmao.

[@tomgriffiths2622]

One of his best speeches That's why I watched the show "...Those wonderful speeches"

[@MedalionDS9]

Rousing Speeches are nothing without a good story to tell them against. Watching Star Trek Picard... the Picard of that show has a ton of them, and they all say absolutely nothing of value and just have a lot of flowery language that may sound inspirational... but are hollow tropes.

[@5Mariner]

RIP Jean Simmons You did very well in this scene

[@theenzoferrari458]

Why would you wish that for a evil woman who put picard on for a drumhead? She ruined her own career doing massive witch hunts.

[@girlgarde]

One of the greatest moments in Star Trek History! Seeing Picard take down Satie pleased me as he seemingly goaded her into discrediting herself with her rants. Consorting with Romulans? Undermining the Federation? Bullshit! Captain Picard has dedicated his life to defending the Federation and seeing him act with dignity in contrast to Satie's rants towards the end was truly epic.

[@danieldickson8591]

He didn't have to goad her. His remarks were the epitome of calm reasonableness. She was already so far gone in her self-righteousness, she goaded herself.

[@Helbore]

Satie: I've brought down bigger men than you, Picard! Picard watches as head of Starfleet Security departs. Picard: You were sayin', bitch?

[@TSEDLE333]

And Picard PAWNED more admirals than anyone else in Star Fleet History....lol

[@Renji9031]

Why's there an A in it? #Pwned

[@RogueDragon05]

@TSEDLES333 - Yea but Kirk was so badass he even pwned himself while he was an Admiral!

[@vfaulkon]

*Admiral gets up and leaves* Satie: I've brought down bigger men than you, Picard! Picard: And today, so have I. Enjoy retirement!

[@Levi_Skardsen]

People think Picard is doing his legendary facepalm, but he's actually charging his most powerful ability, the "inspirational speech bomb"

[@mechazoic]

1:04 The look on Rikers face. He knows Picard is making his move.

[@girlgarde]

The most tragic thing about all of this is that Satie wasn't some evil villainess who was trying to destroy the Federation, she did what she did because she believed that she was protecting the Federation from its enemies. In other words, she was misguided and allowed her devotion to the Federation make her into a raving fanatic. I'd sure hate to see how she acted during the time period from 2370 to 2375 when the Dominion was trying to take over the Alpha Quadrant. She probably accused scores of people of being spies for the Maquis /when they were around/ or the Dominion and perhaps even supported Admiral Leyton's coup attempt in 2372!

[@girlgarde]

+shafta99 Yep. She had nothing but the best of intentions in my opinion but allowed her paranoia and racism to consume her which is sad. If I was Picard, I'd pity her and I'd want her to find redemption at some point down the road.

[@nicholasdickens2801]

That's the tragedy of people like her. They can't see the harm they're causing.

[@nicholasdickens2801]

+shafta99 "Some of the most terrible things in history have been done with the best of intentions." Dr Alan Grant Jurassic Park III

[@girlgarde]

+Nicholas Dickens I remember that quote and it nearly drove his assistant to his death at the hands of hungry Pteranodons........

[@ShinobiShane]

+ryan macdonald Those are the most dangerous villains. Hitler, Stalin, ISIS, all feel they are the good guys, trying to protect their peoples. But history remembers them as villains, because they went too far. We must remember this now, especially in the US with it's fucked up political scene, more than ever.

[@CtCosmos]

There is a line. Once you cross it, you go from seeking the facts, to creating cruelty. She became cruel.

[@samanthapatrick4345]

that's very true with the way things are today

[@patrickdodds7162]

You will NEVER see anything this well written, acted or even musically scored in any of the Alex Kurtzman's "Trek" shows.

[@TheCandyButcher807]

I've been rewatching discovery and every time I think I like it, I realise, that show will never come anywhere close to a scene like this

[@Sploooks]

@@TheCandyButcher807 The issue with discovery isn’t it’s push for social progress, which has always been an element of Star Trek, but it’s inability to sit down & discuss, it feels very plastic & unloved in the way the show is produced, it looks very cookie cutter, the score is bland and there are far too many space battles. Star Trek is an optimistic view for the future of humanity, not whatever discovery is.

[@Phantom19913]

Yes but you forget Ansom Mount, Doug Jones, and Sonequa Martin-Green had some good monologues.

[@TheCandyButcher807]

@@Phantom19913 😬

[@Phantom19913]

@@TheCandyButcher807 pikes speech about we are Starfleet and we rescue our own, his speech about following the prime directive. Saru when they arrived in the future, and Sonequa Martin Greens speech about why they will mutiny against Starfleet unless they rescind the order to blow up Qonos. While they weren’t Patrick Stewart level they were comparable to Janeway sisko and archer

[@reichlinsmall9765]

Satie: "I have nothing more to say.." Picard: *"You're damned RIGHT! "*

[@dwsimmy2599]

Picard shows admirable self restraint; if I was the captain of a naval vessel (let alone a distinguished officer), and someone came onto my ship, and had the gall to question my loyalty to the people and principles I swore to serve in front of my officers, I'd toss them overboard, or at least have them confined to their quarters. How dare this woman say these things? What risks or personal sacrifices has she taken or made? She has no sense of decorum at all.

[@curtisberard2632]

Also when her assistant questioned Worf and made remarks about his father. If Picard hadn't been there Worf would've ripped the guy's spine out through his ass and beat him to death with it.

[@marknorth8904]

Keep in mind that she is a Rear Admiral, and Jean Luc is a Captain. Picard had to be VERY careful before he could begin casting her in a negative light. The worst mistake she made was inviting Vice Admiral Henry to the proceedings. He was not only the Head of Star Fleet Security, but also outranked Admiral Satee...

[@TrueMetis]

Was a rear admiral, she was retired. Though she would of course still have some residual power.

[@wierdalien1]

jshowa o Sisko would have thrown her out the airlock. like when he punched Q

[@curtisberard2632]

TrueMetis well realistically she had some power because she had been taken out of retirement as was established earlier in the episode so it is feasible that the power behind said rank was also returned. That being said she showed absolutely none of the decorum or respect that should be with that rank.

[@ChadeGB]

Satie: I'm going to trigger Picard! Picard: Hold my Earl Grey, hot.

[@zacharydaly5328]

Perfect.

[@BattlestarZenobia]

The thing is the inquiry should have stopped before this, the warp core explosion had already been proved as an accident

[@curtisberard2632]

True, but Satie was a paranoid person conducting a witch hunt. Hard to stop a highly respected former Admiral. Especially when you've been ordered to help.

[@SantomPh]

the inquiry was over, but Picard himself was now on trial. Tarses was not tuilty of anything (though he might need some debriefing to set the record straight

[@mackielunkey2205]

Remember when Robert said that Picard’s experience with the Borg was going to be with him for a long time? Yeah he wasn’t wrong.

[@InductanceMusic]

As an adult, I've realized that one of the reasons I loved this show so much as a teenager was Patrick Stewart's brilliant acting. His gift is being able to add emphasis to his lines, with subtle changes in his voice or body language, that makes his delivery more powerful and convincing. This made it easier for me to get drawn into this world. LeVar Burton also has this gift.

[@NorthSea_1981]

Sublime actress. She nailed that character; amazing and memorable performance!

[@gd.ritter]

I love when she interrupts him the camera cuts back to show us how he just calmly lets her be her own undoing, face angled down, non-confrontational. He knew precisely what was coming and appeared to take no pleasure in the need to bring this about.

[@PapaBear816]

"I've brought down bigger men than you, Picard!" Bigger? Maybe.... maybe... Better? Never.

[@oddish4352]

Gowron said it best: "Perhaps... but not today."

[@munsterr777-iz2ow]

Relevance to today unmistakable

[@MadMike1]

"You think this is bad? This chicanery? HE'S DONE WORSE! His incident with the Borg, do you think a Starfleet Captain just happens to get assimilated like that? NO! HE ORCHESTRATED IT! JEAN-LUKY!"

[@kakatana5959]

2:28. You can actually see the instant when she realizes she was out-gambited.

[@girlgarde]

+kakatana5959 At that moment, she realized that she'd lost and would no longer have the support of her superiors or the audience for her accusations. Knowing her mindset, she probably felt like she'd failed her father and the Federation and she did but not in the way she thought. Rather then fail to stop a great evil lurking in the Federation, she failed to retain her principles and became a great evil herself.

[@VGamingJunkie]

She just exposed the fact that this wasn't an impartial trial, it was her predetermining his guilt and mining for confirmation bias.

[@orusandornots1915]

I always loved this episode. Star Trek, especially TNG is filled with timeless wisdom like this. Every day you can find examples big and small of people,organizations or governments trying to chain as many people as they can. It's always about power.

[@CallinWire]

1:11 The music in this scene is phenomenal. You can hear how unsettling it becomes the moment Picard names her father. As her rage intensifies, so does the music.

[@Stormkrow280]

She seems to think he actually had a choice while he was a Borg Drone, that infuriates me

[@Offbeaten]

From an outsiders perspective, I could see the general population at least being somewhat suspicious at that point. Not many have gone through what Picard has, and no-one really knows much about the Borg other than what Mostly the Enterprise crew has been able to tell them. To us, it's obvious of course, we where 'there.' But look at people like Sisko, who blamed Picard anyways.. it wasn't his fault, but they didn't truly Know that.

[@orgonkothewildlyuntamed6301]

then you should also be pissed at Sisko he hated Picard for the loss of his 1st wife

[@girlgarde]

You can tell that Satie loved her father a great deal and he undoubtedly loved her back and gave her hugs and was quite affectionate to her. She was probably the one closest to him out of all his children. I wish he had still been alive by this episode, he could have kept his daughter on the straight and narrow or at least talk some sense into her.

[@smartalec2001]

I like the music. It starts sinister and unpleasant as Satie tries to break down Picard. A more noble theme comes in as Picard overcomes it and finds his feet, completely replacing Satie's music - but as he mentions the name of Satie's father, the tone becomes sinister again as we focus back on Satie. But it's also slightly sad, perhaps reflecting the sadness Picard feels in how far Satie has fallen from her father's example. Then when Satie stands and delivers her outburst, it's shrill and tense... and then fades into low, uncomfortable tones as she realises what she's done and sits down, disturbed. Even if you took the speech out and just left the music in, you'd know what was happening.

[@Fartknocker40]

I'm lucky to have seen this stuff on it's first run as a kid.

[@saberiandream316]

And then after this episode was done, Rick Berman fired Ron Jones. Waa waa waaaa-waa-waa-waaaaa...

[@joew1237]

I'm not even sure Picard expected such a visceral reaction to that quote.

[@mattmcdonough3282]

"And he gets to be a Star Fleet Captain? What a sick joke! I should have stopped him when I had the chance!"

[@denisgauthier9191]

RIP Jean Simmons aka Admiral Norah Satie (January 31st, 1929 - January 22nd, 2010)

[@tardiskeeper6]

Notice how the music switches from discordant when the judge is speaking, to warm when Picard does his speech, back to discordant and chilly for the judge.

[@haroldlipschitz9301]

I love Satie's sudden realization that she has blown a total gasket there is no recovering from

[@TheSanien]

I love how the admiral just walked out in front of everyone - very strong hint ^_^

[@orgonkothewildlyuntamed6301]

an act of cowardice didnt even have the balls to tell her "enough, it's over" still afraid even though her dad was gone

[@MrBrownsugar85]

@@orgonkothewildlyuntamed6301 virgin

[@viperhalberd]

When the admiral gets up and just walks out without saying a word.... Such a badass moment. I don't even think that dude had a line in the entire episode but he owned this scene.

[@danieldickson8591]

@@seven7eleven11 There are times when silence is more eloquent than any words. His wordless departure without a backward glance spoke volumes for his contempt for this proceeding. As for "the easy way out?" You ever try being the only person walking out of a room during a deadly serious meeting in which you're one of the key figures, in front of everyone?

[@Youngstown529]

Quite a coup to get an actress of Jean Simmons' caliber. She's a real star!

[@samanthapatrick4345]

what other movies of tv series had she been because Star Trek TNG is the only series I've seen her in

[@Youngstown529]

@@samanthapatrick4345 She had many roles for decades, but you may like "GUYS AND DOLLS" the 1955 musical with Marlon Brando and Frank Sinatra.

[@chriswilson3126]

"I've brought down bigger men that you, Picard!" No. No you have not.

[@josefnitervol6415]

One of the greatest episodes from a great show

[@stampede122]

One of two scenes that Picard can be intimidating and being casual about it, the other that comes to mind is the final scene of “the wounded”

[@kxmode]

You missed the ending where everyone leaves the room and she sits there alone. A fitting end for an instigator.

[@thomasalvarez6456]

I wish that would happen more often, in our world, people seem to listen to people like her.

[@Pan_Z]

Unfortunately the longer the clip the more likely it is to get taken down.

[@SantomPh]

the clip says enough. Or maybe they should have blacked out the screen to the sound of a phaser....

[@kxmode]

@@SantomPh That's how they do things on the JJ Abrams post Trek. This is pre-Abrams Trek. They don't do things like that.

[@saberiandream316]

For an inquisitor.

[@TERMINATIONBLISS08]

Not just one of the best Star Trek episodes But one of the best episodes

[@wwmandalore]

More and more relevant every day.

[@markequinox]

Two serious actors going head to head! The Next Gen really had gravitas.

[@oddish4352]

It took some time to get there, though. I remember a certain episode where Picard got a stuffed Tribble stuck to his uniform.

[@mog398]

They say there are no small roles, and I think the Admiral who says literally nothing but still portrays the character perfectly is a great example

[@jackloveall7672]

He fought fire with fire. I mean if Satie was going to use his experience with the Borg then he had a right to defend himself by any means. I also like how the admiral had enough.

[@setokaiba6758]

This is one of the top moments in the franchise. Right behind Picard versus the Sheliak.

[@killbot_factory]

I love Worf just looking on as she breaks down...good subtle acting. He was her follower, believed in what she was doing, and in that moment realized how misguided it was. such a great episode!!

[@Dunskaroo]

“I’ve brought down bigger men than you Picard” Oh really?

[@CorsetLebelle]

I love how the admiral just gets up and walks right in front of her and out the door as soon as the real purpose of this trial comes out

[@orgonkothewildlyuntamed6301]

if he had balls he'd have told her "enough, it's over" maybe it was guilt allowing this lunatic to continue on for years maybe because they were afraid of her daddy even though he was dead by this time

[@gregford2103]

I love how Picard delivers his speech in tempered way, knowing full well that his tone will incite Satie and hopefully expose her.

[@SolusBatty]

Them daddy issues

[@girlgarde]

+UchihaDualStorm My thoughts exactly. Satie obviously adored her father and worshipped him like he was God or something. Sadly, that devotion and worship warped her mind in the end and made her into a raving lunatic.

[@cherylannemason]

No joke--my memory is that earlier in the episode, she spoke to Picard about spending her younger years as her father's right hand person, and in effect taking over his position in Starfleet after he died--only to find herself at this point in her life with no real friends and having had limited contact at best with the rest of her family.

[@VGamingJunkie]

@@cherylannemason Easier to find a scapegoat than it is to look at your own sins.

[@ricardospaniard9050]

"have you recovered from being a murderous borg plaything?" "okay, bitch, you wanna play dirty? game on!"XDXDXD

[@seansamurai1981]

Ironic that currently that speech picard was giving is damned appropriate today

[@corvus1970]

Its always appropriate. It will always remain appropriate.

[@dilatedbeholder3865]

It is actually quite terrifying how pertinent it is today

[@UltraMAGAKing2024]

These words Picard utters needs to be SCREAMED on the rooftops right now.

[@AdultToons]

2:01 That look says it all.

[@kaicreech7336]

Tht's a very talanted actress! The look on her face after the admiral leaves does so much at once.

[@pclifton4]

I like to imagine Picard remembering this quote before the hearing and smiling knowing that when she pulls some of her shady tactics he'll drop this bomb on her and watch the explosion.

[@carlinthomas9482]

That was brilliant, he strategically caused her to reveal her true motivations.

[@BecketTheHymnist]

@2:09 I wanted someone in the room to applaud for the Admiral just getting up and leaving.

[@yiany]

"I've brought down bigger men than you!" - Twitter Mob, 2021

[@mrfivegold]

0:53 the music for this scene is brilliant, it goes from Picard dealing with his own trauma, but then realizing he has the wisdom to combat the slander used against him, and the meltdown she wanted to use against him is reverse, cause he reminded her that she became the evil her father fought against.

[@aawhittle]

He knew she was fanatical and so he baited and goaded her. When she went on that tirade, she exposed herself and the other official saw enough and walked out. Excellent strategy by Picard.