The Duality of Sonic Origins

[@BunstoppableForce]

One of the biggest missed opportunities for this release imo is not making Amy playable. It almost feels like false advertising with how much she's featured in the cutscenes and official art and pretty much every piece of media surrounding the game...except the actual game itself. Their poor wording of "new playable characters" as one of the features when they really basically just meant "& Knuckles" didn't help either.

[@iggyminious]

Definitely agreed. I thought about this while I was editing the ending and saw the shot of Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, and Amy together.

[@jomaq9233]

Almost as if Amy might have actually been initially planned to be added but was cut surprisingly late into development (definitely not confirmed at all, but would not be surprised if this was the case)

[@knucklesequidna3789]

@@jomaq9233 i was thinking the same, and even worse, sega decided to cut amy off to add her as a DLC (even the smallest way to milk more money, they would do it, for sure)

[@the-point-bearer6689]

To be frank and before people got their hopes up about it, i think it'll be more than appropriate to have Knuckles playable in CD, but not Amy, she's still on the NPC side. Besides, I find that having Piko Piko Hammer adds up nothing to the profile as she don't have it originally.

[@takiallahjamai]

good news origins plus is coming and has amy

[@Cool_Kid95]

Finally! Someone mentions how terrible the main menu is for your computer. The input lag is unbearable. I often have to hit keys 2-5 (I think it's even reached 6) times due to how hardware intensive that fancy menu is.

[@AlexHidanBR]

What do you mean I have to own a high performance machine to play a 30 year old game?

[@Cool_Kid95]

@@AlexHidanBR it’s ridiculous. It’s mostly from the gorgeous fancy 3D menu, it makes streaming the game harder. Like the game eats up a ton of CPU and GPU even when In gameplay while playing these old af games. It’s ridiculous and inexcusable. I think it’s cause of a DRM.

[@PointingouttheObvious]

Great vid man even though I enjoy this collection a lot it does have some problems that need to be addressed

[@JonyPlayz1]

Nice video, honestly I think at the end it’s pretty great but I agree with why u say. And I can relate for the menu lag lol

[@_lemon52]

Great video man, your content really has a great professional polish to it, each upload I watch I’m just more and more impressed. Great to see your channel getting some traction, you deserve it!

[@iggyminious]

Thanks for the kind words!

[@cosmiceternity2033]

Sonic 1 Forever, Sonic 2 Absolute, Sonic CD Restored and Sonic 3 AIR are still the definitive way to play these games and add SO MUCH added features and optional tweaks to make them almost addicting to play, not to mention mod support! They even implement a MUCH more Mania-accurate Drop Dash and remove the roll/spindash lock that Origins decided to keep in for whatever reason. CD Restored even has Knuckles and Amy as playable characters, and the fact that you can even install these versions on a Modded Switch or potato PC, they absolutely put Sonic Origins to shame.

[@iggyminious]

I still haven't touched Sonic CD Restored, but I highly agree with everything else. The only reason I didn't readily recommend them in the video is that they're a potential hassle to get working for some; I remember it being a bit of a pain to get the APK files for Sonic 1 and 2 off my phone to decompile them, and the digital versions of CD and 3&K aren't readily available any more (thanks, Sega🙄). That's not even factoring in the procedures you'd have to go through to play them on console, if that's your preference. If you're able to get past those barriers, though, then Origins doesn't have much of a leg to stand on.

[@TRG_R17]

Your Way Of How You Got The Game Is Very Unique

[@PointingouttheObvious]

Thanks!

[@_thejuicebox]

Sonic and missed opportunities go together like peanut butter and jelly.

[@iggyminious]

Or chili and hot dogs, as they'd say in Forces.

[@trunkit8749]

Something that annoys me is that they didn’t bring back the achievements from the mobile ports. The only game-specific achievements boil down to “kill 10 zone 1 enemies”.

[@iggyminious]

True, and the achievements that *are* in Origins are really easy to get.

[@invertebrado]

My problem with this collection just really is the pricing. I don't feel that what this collection has to offer is worth the price they are asking (especially for me, being a Brazillian having to pay over 100 Reais) even though this is the best versions of theses games. Also, I am really sick of Segas business practices, so I will vote with my wallet, and won't buy this game.

[@iggyminious]

That's a fair call. If you think it's too expensive, then there's no shame in skipping it.

[@ShaimingLong]

It seems a lot of Japanese companies overvalue their games and can have some really horrible DLC practices.

[@Magic0neGaming]

it's worth $20 tops...I'd consider $30 if they fixed a lot of the issues and went out of their way to get proper licensing or did a remix of ice cap and carnival night. But they didn't...because they didn't care and it shows :/ If they added metal and amy as ACTUAL new playable characters (cuz tails and knuckles are not "new") then I'd consider the full $40 or even have them sold separately as a $10 DLC. But that's it...charging anymore for "island cameras" and shit like c'mon that's pathetically low SEGA

[@Leonard_Wolf_2056]

@@Magic0neGaming 30 dollars, tops? Make it 3 dollars.

[@MortalZombieDog]

Hoping if they ever remake or remaster the Advanced series it gets handled better

[@iggyminious]

I'd still appreciate the Advance games getting recognized anyways, but yeah, Origins and Colors Ultimate don't set the best precedent for future re-releases.

[@Shadamyfan-rs8xc]

@@iggyminious which is strange as they normally did rereleases perfectly fine before

[@iggyminious]

@@Shadamyfan-rs8xc Debatable; there's been a lot of criticism towards the 2010's re-releases of SADX and SA2:B.

[@dyeri4642]

Eyyy, new video

[@iggyminious]

You know it!

[@PilaCiu]

Sonic Origins uses prototype versions of Sonic 3 tracks, coming from an even earlier prototype than we have. Only Super Sonic theme in S3K was remixed by Jun Senuoe.

[@iggyminious]

Do you have evidence for that? As much as I'd love to believe it (for me the Super Sonic theme is a highlight of the newly introduced tracks), it's been stated before by officials that Senoue was the one who adapted the prototype music. twitter.com/TailsChannel/status/1535011473218494487

[@PilaCiu]

@@iggyminiousData in S3 prototype proves this, also some channels being clearly identical and typical YM2612 sound artifacts in all the tracks.

[@iggyminious]

@@PilaCiu I'll have to look into it, but if that's true, it's still not a good look for Origins considering they could've used the later prototype tracks.

[@SuperSonic34569]

Classic sonic go brrrrr

[@theoverseer1775]

fun fact: the reason why sonic 3 has the only good drop-dash is (probably) because the drop-dash was originally planned to be sonic's ability in sonic 3, but was replaced with the drop dash, and can be accessed by messing with the files of the sonic 3 prototype.

[@iggyminious]

That's a neat tidbit of information, but I don't think that has any association with Sonic Origins. This version of Sonic 3 was programmed from the ground up specifically for Origins by Headcannon.

[@helixsol7171]

You can also grind coins stupidly easy in debug mode

[@thechipmunk5794]

I Still Have Sonic 2 For The Xbox 360 On My Xbox One

[@SpeedDeDe]

If you wanna get coins easily go to debug mode and spawn a bunch of coin boxes and hit them

[@JJWMK2]

Every time Sega keep repeating history (more likely rushing new games during development) are doom to fail

[@teneesh3376]

I really do think so many things could have been fixed if given enough time. But in true sega fashion, they rushed this AGAIN! WHEN WILL SEGA LEARN NOT TO RUSH A SONIC GAME? THIS IS THE 4TH TIME

[@joek5882]

This collection is like that home run that falls just short of the wall. Good perhaps, but just misses the mark. I passed on it because there's nothing here that warrants 40 extra dollars for games I already have. 🤷‍♂️

[@fernando98322]

You know, the way the Drop Dash was implemented in the other games is actually brilliant! ... If they only had one day to implement it, which it wouldn't surprised me because Sega sucks

[@thomasverslycken2563]

Even though origins is decent, that even with direct fan development involved they didn't make it as good as it should be & make the engine's development team unhappy, looking at how poorly they do nowadays, they should just hire fan-developer & let them take over for a few years & sega should just see what makes it so succesful, even though i love origins, i can't just ignore the flaws & this is still my oppinion

[@the-point-bearer6689]

Given how fans often left their own fan projects out the open and into the dead end, its best not to hire them on the spot for now. Just get the person who is more than familiar with the concept of pinball physics and programming and it'll be fine.

[@thomasverslycken2563]

@@the-point-bearer6689 well, i did forget to say this part (lol) but i meant with fan-developers those that actually atleast finish it like the sonic world & sonic world DX dev team does (i don't mean that specificly those should be hired but they are just mentioned for an example (you know what i mean))

[@Leonard_Wolf_2056]

Origins at best should cost 3.5 dollars. Not 40. 4 dollars with the inclusion of MJ's tracks. Let me remind you origins consists of 3.5 prehistoric 2d games that were at best ok. The soundtrack is compressed, it still looks like they were just ripped from their corresponding consoles and just added widescreen. Most important of all: it's just another re-release. These are not new games. Tomb raider-Core's legacy, despite being 3D and not being that outdated, and despite it having three of my favorite games, I would still spend only five dollars for it. One game - one dollar. And no, I am not counting chronicles as a new game. Also, I would buy it on Gog due to it being a DRM-free store. Origins on the other hand... Not only did SEGA include devuno, the only available versions have DRM. Meaning if you bought it, you wasted your money, as you only bought the access to play it... Same access which can be revoked at any given time. The only game ever I would spend a lot of money on, just to pay for the access to play it is left 4 dead.

[@codyryan9789]

why didn't they just port s3 to mobile. yet again, fans do what sega never will.

[@glaive616]

I had just high hopes for this collection, so disappointed.

[@cosmizooo]

I never played the game but after seeing this it makes me not wanna play it tbh

[@Magic0neGaming]

"Remastered visuals" a lie...legit looks the exact same as previous ports "New playable characters" also a lie because tails or knuckles don't count and they didn't even put knuckles in CD "Additional music tracks" aka we replaced ice cap and carnival night zone with some shitty half assed prototype instead of one of the better prototypes we had (Also mislabeled shit) "Bonus mission mode" The missions take less than 3m each and are pretty much just defeat x amount of this enemy, collect x amount of rings, etc :/ "Letterbox BGs" wow PNGs!! So cool! This collection feels like a big hunk of garbage SEGA wanted by x date because they needed money NOW and didn't care about quality...everything about this SCREAMS money grabbing corporate greed. Like $40+? Really SEGA?? AND THEY DELISTED THE ORIGINAL TITLES LMAO!!!

[@Faisalthefist]

Cant even spell “Quality” right

[@iggyminious]

Look up what "duality" means.

[@PhayzinOut]

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