The DUMBEST NFL SCHEDULE CONTROVERSY EVER

In 2016, the Carolina Panthers opened up the season on the road against the Denver Broncos, with that being the opening game of the 2016 NFL season. And Panthers head coach Ron Rivera was furious about this for, quite possibly, the dumbest reason imaginable, and a reason that makes no sense when you break it down
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[@someperson3883]

Another thing about the 2001 Giants@Broncos game is that it was on September 10, and one of the Giants fans that went to Denver worked in the Twin Towers

[@aaronholcomb237]

Wasn't it also the first game that ABC had Dennis Miller? I don't remember much of what he said but it was overshadowed by the tragic events of the following day.

[@someperson3883]

@@aaronholcomb237 I don’t know

[@DillonMurway]

​@@aaronholcomb237 he started in 2000

[@mgb4692]

It was also the night Ed McCaffrey broke his leg, and he was in surgery during the attacks. Thus when he woke up his wife had to tell him about it

[@CTubeMan]

What surprises me is the fact that the next year the Falcons opened up in Chicago at 1 PM ET in spite of beating the Patriots in the previous Super Bowl. I turned the Super Bowl off midway through the third quarter, confident the Falcons wouldn’t blow a 28-3 lead.

[@Shawn6751]

If the Falcons didn't sell that Lombardi away, then the Falcons would have never gone to a rebuild. Of course, Matt Ryan and Julio Jones would have to be replaced like now but the Falcons wouldn't have sucked like they did since 2018.

[@leogetz3570]

Hell, in 2003 the defending SB champs Buccaneers opened up on the road at Philadelphia. I'm glad the NFL adopted the policy of SB champs hosting the Thursday night opener

[@leogetz3570]

@@matthewdaley746 yeah, the AFC East that year was something else. What was it, 3 teams at 9-7 and one team at 8-8?

[@marcus813]

Even then, the Bucs wrecked the Eagles 17-0 to break in the Linc. I don't feel bad for those 2006 Panthers.

[@Lonestarr022]

I believe They didn't start doing a Thursday Night Opener until the following year.

[@stevenbauer4799]

'its a lot of procedure. the firm that hires you teaches you the rest'. leo getz things done.

[@leogetz3570]

@@Lonestarr022 yes, I believe it was 2004 when the defending SB champs started hosting the TNF kickoff. The NFL had some TNF opening games before then, but it wasn't SB champs playing in them. Also, if you're really LoneStarr, you still married to Princess Vespa?

[@nathanspradlin8570]

"You get nothing. You lose. Good day sir"

[@afbocc]

In 1995, the San Diego Chargers, as defending AFC Champions the year before, and Super Bowl XXIX runner-up by a wide margin, opened the season with a 17-7 loss to the Raiders at the Oakland Coliseum.

[@afbocc]

In 1996, the Pittsburgh Steelers, as defending AFC Champions the year before, and Super Bowl XXX runner-up, opened the season with a 24-9 loss to the Jaguars.

[@andrewgrove1691]

Only 1 other time the same 2 sb teams met on opening day

[@PowerRangers12345]

Incorrect to ron Rivera the 2005 eagles who wrote the Super Bowl losers opened up the season on the road in Atlanta in a 14-10 loss. This was unprecedented at all.

[@RetroJR3379]

Thinking about the Ravens they couldve had the Ravens home opener 3 days after the Opening Kickoff just like 2019 Patriots since the Orioles were on the road

[@mgb4692]

Except 2019 was the 100th anniversary special occasion (Packers/Bears), so likely absent that the Pats would have been in a similar spot

[@pronkb000]

Regardless, with the NFL passing on an Eagles-Chiefs rematch this year and apparently publicly expressing regret over doing a rematch in this case, it appears that the NFL largely agrees with Rivera for different reasons. I don't expect there to be a SB rematch again if it comes up.

[@pronkb000]

@@matthewdaley746 Huh? What does Brock Purdy have to do with any of this?

[@pronkb000]

@@matthewdaley746 You just said his injury means they're "probably getting left out." So...what, the NFC just isn't going to have a rep this year? Someone has to win the conference. And in one game, anything can happen.

[@pronkb000]

@@matthewdaley746 Okay, so the Niners aren't going to the SB this year, in your eyes. What does that have to do with THIS year's season opener? Or next year's? Did you not take your ADHD medication? We're talking about Super Bowl rematches in the season opener and you're off yammering about Brock Purdy for reasons passing understanding.

[@mrmoose6619]

Ron Rivera was right for all the wrong reasons... yes, the SB loser does not deserve special home treatment... but to open the season with the SB rematch isn't the best look for the NFL... I don't look forward to a SB rematch yearly...

[@anthonymendez1997]

I’m looking forward to the Eagles vs. Chiefs game tbh.

[@runrafarunthebestintheworld]

@@anthonymendez1997 same. I didn't look forward to a Rams Bengals super bowl rematch though. The worst Super Bowl rematch in recent history.

[@Lonestarr022]

they were under the impression Denver was not going to be good that year so they wanted the game to have value, which is why it was week 1.

[@martincaidin4166]

Hell, I can remember when Super Bowl WINNERS had to start the season on the road. See: Dallas in 1996.

[@pronkb000]

Dallas was the #4 team in the NFL in DVOA in '96. They'd have been fine. The division does not look exceptionally bad or strong to me. Philly and Washington were both pretty good, the Giants and Cardinals both bad. Seems pretty standard.

[@pronkb000]

@@matthewdaley746 DVOA accounts for luck as much as possible. On a per-play basis, the Cowboys were the #4 team in the league, though well behind the Packers who dominated just about everybody. Just looking at their Pythagorean record, the Cowboys only won 1 more game than expected.

[@vaughncarroll8553]

Can't even tell you how glad I am that the NFL didn't choose the Eagles-Chiefs rematch for Opening Night like that year.

[@CTubeMan]

At 12:24, don’t give anyone any ideas!

[@jray0717]

I'm a panthers fan and think Ron is about as Mid as a coach can get. Can get you a nfc championship then tank the next year. Not the first coach to do so but I'm hoping we get a coach who can win consistently.

[@chrisbreezy3048]

That'd be a nice change of pace after three lackluster years with Rhule at the helm. Here's to hoping that Reich & Co. can get the ship going back in the right direction and that back-to-back winning seasons will finally become a reality.

[@farmasyst]

According to Jimmy "Master Lock" Dugan, "over 75% of the previous Super Bowl losers that have to start their new season on the road , will lose the first game. Crush your man."

[@JWex-jy7sk]

This game started the brief 4 game hype around Trevor Semian. Started the year 4-0 and then kind of cooled down after that just missing the playoffs at 9-7 Gary Kubiak stepped down from head coaching and to this day still the last time the Broncos had a winning record

[@JayTemple]

I might be sympathetic if he simply said that a 15-1 team deserves better than to open on the road. Then again, if I were in charge and the one less was to a team they were scheduled to play anyway, I'd make that their opening game.

[@coreylineberry8557]

It was the Falcons... A divisional game. So it was a lock.

[@BroncoJosh]

And since then, the Falcons opened up on the road in Chicago in 2017 and won that one 23-17, The Rams opened up on the road in Carolina in 2019 and won 30-23, and this year the Eagles open up in New England.

[@Shawn6751]

If I can remember correctly, the Falcons barely won that game against Chicago. Back then, I was expecting the Falcons to return back to the Super Bowl and pay back the Patriots.

[@BroncoJosh]

@@Shawn6751 Yeah, from what I remember, Atlanta was up by almost 20 points, and Chicago came back and almost won the game. Atlanta ended up winning 23-17. Atlanta was good but not great that year. They were 10-6. They beat the up and coming Rams in the wildcard round and lost to Philadelphia in the divisional round. That's the only time they've been back to the playoffs since 28-3

[@sirekumasutra7022]

Wasn't Rivera the coach recently that didn't realize his team could be eliminated if they lost the game that week? EDIT-Yeah JG confirmed it lol

[@adampatterson5475]

Same guy who did not know what his team needed to do to make the playoffs lol

[@RawwkinGrimmie64]

It makes so much sense now! The reason the Eagles have had such a great offseason is because the NFL was trying to make up for them playing on the road week one!

[@marcus813]

The Super Bowl runners-up aren't entitled to anything and I'm not sure how Rivera thought otherwise. Given that Peyton Manning had retired not too long before the schedule release, I can understand why the NFL had the Carolina/Denver game open the season. My Bucs won Super Bowl XXXVII and opened the following season on the road and won convincingly, so I don't feel bad for Rivera.

[@Wildcat_Media]

This the same Ron Rivera that didn’t realize his team, the Washington Commies, were eliminated from the playoffs at the end of last year? And he didn’t know it until the postgame press conference when a reporter mentioned it to him? Yeah, that tracks. EDIT: Ah yes. You got there. 😉

[@pierresoorden5975]

No teams should be supported after relocating to a bigger market, like Chargers, Rams

[@RetroJR3379]

2007 Bears/Chargers was to be the 1st Sunday Night Football of the season not counting Opening Kickoff Saints/Colts

[@jamesdulany2176]

There are some Ravens fans who hate the Orioles for not moving their scheduled game to accommodate the Ravens hosting the opening game of the NFL season.

[@pronkb000]

It was ultimately the call of the White Sox, not the Orioles. MLB CBA rules prohibit an afternoon game the day after a game in another city without an agreement from all teams involved. The White Sox played in, I believe, Cleveland the day before. They quite reasonably did not care to accommodate Baltimore or the NFL on the matter.

[@jamesdulany2176]

@@pronkb000 I'm aware of that, but some people in Baltimore (not me) place the blame on the Orioles for not pushing CWS hard enough (or if they don't know that it was up to CWS not doing it themselves)

[@tigerwoods373]

You have to understand, Carolina is a new franchise with only limited success and heritage. They've done better than Jacksonville but still, the market isn't like some of the other franchises. They don't have fanbases like Steelers, cowboys, packers, etc. people are only panther fans when they're doing good. He was trying to keep the momentum going in Charlotte, that 2015 year was crazy. They even had Steph curry pounding the drum. I don't think he's dumb for complaining about this. He just wanted to keep the panther pride going. Saying just win the sb is more dumb imo, not like they're not trying already.

[@stever7157]

I’m not buying the excuses. Carolina could have made a statement by beating the Broncos.

[@davidfiddleman2312]

Well done! And backs up my assertion as a Washington fan that Rivera is much better as a leader of men and I respect this a lot than understanding situations…

[@someperson3883]

I think a Super Bowl rematch is the best possible opening day game

[@pronkb000]

I think at this point the NFL feels that the Thursday opener will get a ton of viewers regardless, so they're going to "save" a big SB rematch for a later point in the season and juice those ratings instead. Hence the passing up of not only the Eagles but also the Bengals and Bills.

[@pronkb000]

@@matthewdaley746 Dude, seriously, you're not making ANY sense in these comments. What possibility of injury? Every single NFL game and play carries the possibility of injury. What on God's green earth are you talking about?

[@pronkb000]

@@matthewdaley746 The proof is in the pudding: the NFL did not do a Super Bowl rematch this season as the opener. Evidently they're not worried about injuries to the Chiefs or Eagles.

[@CTubeMan]

I’m only five minutes in, but I just want to confirm, this is about Former Panthers Coach Ron Rivera, right? Because you haven’t mentioned it enough.

[@pronkb000]

Yeah, this one feels pretty drawn-out. The "Before I get into...we need some context..." spiel felt particularly forced because the intro gave us all the context we needed.

[@jray0717]

Ron was one of the most mid coaches ever. Wasn't great but wasn't terrible.

[@veggieoilerfan2940]

The Chiefs actually won Super Bowl IV 23-7.

[@RetroJR3379]

1993 Bills/Cowboys would've been perfect to kick of 1993 Monday Night Football but that ended up Week 2 on NBC. Everyone except San Diego saw the rematch as San Diego were busy watching the Chargers get blownup in Denver

[@stevenbauer4799]

2013 s b champs ravens had to open on road at donkeys because o's game got priority and promptly get torched in peyton's debut for a record 7 td passes. That is why angelos sucks.

[@theredscum4202]

Really makes me wonder what other crybabying Rivera does

[@Greg-gi4lz]

@TheRedScum Maybe he learned it from Cam Newton's crybaby act in the super bowl press conference 😭

[@nicholassmith479]

I might have griped about it since Denver beat them in the Super Bowl but I would have understood the NFL’s position. All about the ratings, baby

[@stevengrvp]

Friday video lets go

[@someperson3883]

13:56 It guarantees you the 31st pick (if you don’t trade it) if no teams lost their 1st Round pick then your 30th (if it’s not the Super Bowl Champ without the pick).

[@AdamJ617]

If it’s any consolation, I actually feel sorry for Rivera having to witness the Broncos hanging up the banner. I actually HATE Peyton Manning, myself.

[@andrewpadaetz5549]

It happened in MLB too. The opening game of the 2016 season was between the KC Royals and NY Mets..the teams who played in the 2015 WS won by the Royals. Were I in Terry Collins shoes maybe I just have the team ignore the whole celebration and not come out until the actual start of the game.

[@andrewpadaetz5549]

@@matthewdaley746 I’m not so sure. Sadly we will never know.

[@pronkb000]

The MLB schedule is finalized while the previous year is still in progress, so ensuring a WS winner home opener is impossible.

[@pronkb000]

@@matthewdaley746 What alternated year-to-year? We're talking about home openers and season-opening games.

[@pronkb000]

@@matthewdaley746 Okay, we're not talking about that. We're talking about the WS champ opening at home. As I mentioned, that's impossible to ensure because the schedule is made before the previous season concludes.

[@lionsfan7500]

The Lions never got to open at home after playing in the Superbowl! Oh wait my bad they never made it to the Superbowl. I guess winning one playoff game since the late 50s won't win you any championships, go figure! That was hard to write with a straight face lol!

[@anthonymendez1997]

If anything the Broncos should’ve been furious as that 2015 Panthers were exceptional and to have them go up against that team the next year with Trevor Siemian.

[@marcusmcgraw3519]

How were there any grounds for the Panthers to be mad here when the Broncos were hosting as they should? If any team should have been mad, it was the 2013 Ravens having to open up on the road after winning it all. Rivers’s gripe is nonsensical

[@pronkb000]

His contention was that the Panthers-Broncos game should have been played at another time and the Panthers open at home Sunday afternoon (or night, or Monday night) against whoever. The Ravens could be mad all they wanted, there was nothing to be done. The Orioles had the stadium booked and couldn't/wouldn't move. I don't sympathize with Peter Angelos on much but he was well within his rights, and the White Sox were within their rights to refuse to agree to a move.

[@marcusmcgraw3519]

@@pronkb000 his contention was stupid because the Panthers were entitled to nothing. This was what Rivera wanted and they were essentially at the mercy of the league The Ravens may not have had the power to get MLB’s schedule changed, but they certainly had more of a right to be upset than the Panthers and Rivera ever did

[@Jason_Maier]

@JaguarGator9 What say you about the Jaguars having two games in London this year? Seems like Sahid Kahn is saying 🖕 to the city and fans. And supposedly renovations to TIAA Bank Stadium may mean thr Jaguars may have to play two seasons away from Jacksonville.

[@MikeyKaos716]

The Jaguar game against the Bills is a Bills home game, not a Jaguars home game.

[@leogetz3570]

Well, at least they're back to back games, but yes, Shahid Khan certainly has no problem taking his team across the pond to play

[@pronkb000]

They're only losing 1 home game, same as every year, and since this is the AFC's turn to host the interconference placement game, they still get 8 games in Jacksonville. It looks like the Jags are going to spending a lot of time traveling in the future, though, with possible home games in Gainesville and/or Orlando in '24 and '25 while their home stadium gets renovated.

[@VinnyXwolf]

The Chiefs beat the Vikings 23-7 in Super Bowl IV, not 23-6 as you said.

[@andykillsu]

I think having the Super Bowl teams play each other in Week 1 is stupid. We just say them play in the Super Bowl, we don't need to see them again.

[@chriskay1449]

THe NFL had the opportunity this season to have the Super Bowl rematch week 1. Bur they chose? The Lions. LOLOLOL.

[@shsav2012]

OK if anything, the Seahawks got screwed more cause I had to play the Rams on the road… A much crap your team in a city that doesn’t give a crap about the NFL

[@SendixBunny]

I thought the key reason the Ravens didn't open up in Baltimore in 2013 was because of Yom Kipper?

[@ravivaithinathan1222]

Every year they would ask the Orioles to play an away series around the time of the first Thursday of the NFL season in case the Ravens in case they won the Super Bowl since both stadiums are near the same area and both fan bases share the same parking areas. Well, the season they won the Super Bowl, the Ravens management forgot to ask the Orioles about that time so the Orioles and the MLB schedule a home series for the O’s at that time. I know some Ravens fans were pissed off they couldn’t celebrate the Super Bowl with that Thursday game.

[@mgb4692]

@@ravivaithinathan1222 Fun fact: when the Seahawks and Mariners had a conflict at the Kingdome in 1984, the M's played the Orioles Another fun fact: the Super Bowl champion Ravens didn't even get so much as a nationally televised game in 2001, instead playing the Bears Sunday at 1 while the Giants played out in Denver on MNF the night before....................

[@ravivaithinathan1222]

@@mgb4692 but even though it may have been true then but Thursday night game to start the season began in 2002 and the Super Bowl winner hosting it didn’t begin until 2004. This is when NFL teams requested the Thursday to itself. There was only two times the Super Bowl winner didn’t get this Thursday opener since it was introduced as a celebration for the previous season’s champion. The one I mentioned with the Ravens, and when the Patriots last won with the league deciding to honor the longest rivalry in the league (Bears vs Packers) for the league’s 100th anniversary.

[@miked31784]

This season, they have the Eagles open up at the Patriots. I would like to see the Super Bowl runner up get to host the Sunday Night game.

[@leogetz3570]

That would be a pretty good rule of thumb to start doing.

[@mgb4692]

Which happened back in 2014 when Denver hosted Indianapolis, last time. Usually it's the kiss of death, the SB runner-up has been banished to regional coverage since: 2015: Seahawks at Rams, 1:00 2017: Falcons at Bears, 1:00 2018: Texans at Patriots, 1:00 2019: Rams at Panthers, 1:00 2020: Cardinals at 49ers, 4:25 (Bucs/Saints main) 2022: Steelers at Bengals, 1:00 Only exceptions being 2016 and 2021, when the Chiefs got Nantz/Romo in a rematch with the Browns.

[@RetroJR3379]

In a weird way I get what Ron Rivera was saying and NBC could've put the Panthers hosting Falcons on Sunday Night

[@pronkb000]

I actually wonder if Rivera *really* believed this or was just trying to motivate his team. Winning teams and players always seem to believe that everyone else "has it out for them" and doesn't believe in them--maybe Rivera thought this would do the trick. It's not like I expect a lot of his players to onto pro-football-reference and factcheck him.

[@RetroJR3379]

@pronkb000 Im pretty sure it was supposed to be locker room post motivation than Rivera creating a vendetta

[@johnwiesner9590]

It was stupid scheduling the Detroit Lions to play the Chiefs in the Thursday night opener, when there were far more attractive options available. The Lions have been an absolute joke throughout most of their history, winning only one playoff game over the last 65 years. If the Chiefs win this game in a blowout, which I can see happening, there will be a video on this channel the next day about that poor decision.

[@tromboneman4517]

You might be surprised. It might be the Lions who win.

[@pronkb000]

Do you remember last year's season opener and how that went? The NFL seems to be moving away from making the Thursday opener one of its top match-ups. It's almost like Thanksgiving now--people are going to watch anyway, so why not "save" the really attractive match-ups for around the middle part of the season where games don't stand out as much?

[@johnwiesner9590]

@pronkb000 The Bills entered last season as the Vegas odds favorites to win the Super Bowl, but I'm sure nobody would have guessed that the Rams would become such a huge disappointment.

[@pronkb000]

@@johnwiesner9590 A lot of people expected the Rams to step back. Maybe not to the point of getting blown out like they did, but the Super Bowl hangover and the inabilty to restock with high draft picks had most people expecting them to regress.

[@johnwhite5485]

You think?

[@gemgodds8433]

The Eagles open on the road to the Pats this year.

[@mgb4692]

Which is a CBS game and seems like a mistake, since they already have Dolphins/Chargers in that window leaving FOX to push Packers/Bears (and the Bobby Wagner Bowl)