The DUMBEST TRADE REQUEST in New Orleans Saints HISTORY

During the 1973 NFL offseason, New Orleans Saints quarterback Edd Hargett demanded a trade, as he wanted more playing time since he was riding the bench behind Archie Manning. On the surface, that seems like an incredibly valid reason to request a trade. But when you dig deeper, and realize the moment that led to the request, and why he was upset about his lack of playing time in particular, it devolves into a situation that truly makes no sense whatsoever
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Members of the 1973 Saints:
Archie Manning
Happy Feller
Steve O’Neal
Bivian Lee
Bobby Scott
Bob Davis
Speedy Thomas
Bill McClard
Ray Jones
Nate Ramsey
Howard Stevens
Joe Profit
Johnny Fuller
Jerry Moore
Ernie Jackson
Lincoln Minor
Jess Phillips
Henry Matthews
Robert Brown
Tom Myers
Bill Butler
Odell Lawson
Bob Newland
Mike Fink
Danny Abramowicz
Jake Kupp
John Didion
Dick Palmer
Rick Kingrea
Dale Lindsey
Bob Creech
Willie Hall
Jim Merlo
Joe Federspiel
Wayne Colman
Del Williams
Steve Baumgartner
Ray Hester
Royce Smith
Craig Robinson
Paul Fersen
Joe Owens
John Wood
Derland Moore
Elex Price
Don Morrison
Carl Johnson
Billy Newsome
Doug Winslow
Bob Pollard
Len Garrett
Preston Riley
John Beasley
Jubilee Dunbar
Mike Kelly
Fred Hyatt
Andy Dorris
Bert Askson
John North (head coach)

[@edhunt1215]

Archie Manning. Just got killed playing with Saints. Guy had to be the toughest player in league in the 1970s . Probably be in hall of fame. If he played on a good team.

[@holstorrsceadus1990]

When you crash out of your chosen profession due to incompetence and ineptitude the obvious next step is go into politics

[@Rockhound6165]

Fun Fact: Former Saints QB(since we're on Saints' QB's) Billy Kilmer was involved in 2 of the most memorable games in NFL history. First, as a member of the 49ers, he caught a pass on the 49er 34 yard line but was hit and fumbled and Jim Marshall picked it up and ran 66 yards the wrong way. Then as the QB of the Saints on 11/8/70, he got the Saints in position for Tom Dempsey to kick his then record setting 63 yard FG.

[@gluserty]

@Matt Joseph I agree, Kilmer was a battler who did well for himself, like a Joe Kapp-type of QB but with more staying power. Kilmer was so mentally strong, he not only shared time with the legendary Sonny Jurgensen, they became friends (I think that says a lot about both men). I feel that Kilmer was very likeable (great leader) and very good (more often than not Kilmer would find a way).

[@shackdaddy7106]

@@gluserty Kilmer was like Joe Kapp in terms of leadership. But Billy Kilmer was a far better player than Joe Kapp. With one exception. This could be a story for JAGMAN. The one game in 1969 where Joe Kapp tied a NFL record by throwing seven touchdown passes in one game for the Minnesota Vikings versus the defending NFL champion Baltimore Colts. The Colts were apparently still staggered by their Super Bowl III loss to the Jets. It was Don Shula’s last year as head coach of the Baltimore Colts. If I remember correctly he was actually traded to the Miami Dolphins for some draft picks. If I’m wrong I know somebody will correct me on that. That trade would be another worthy video for the JAGMAN.

[@gluserty]

@@shackdaddy7106 I believe you're right about the draft picks for Shula,which was compensation for losing him (from what I understand, Carroll Rosenblum was not at all happy that Shula went to the Dolphins without consulting him). Oh yeah, Kilmer was a much better player, but I think they had a similar attitude😤.

[@shackdaddy7106]

@@gluserty So the bottom line is that in effect Don Shula was traded for draft picks. Certainly helped the Dolphins in the long run. And his departure certainly did not hurt the Colts in 1970. The Colts win in Super Bowl V in the one of the most boring close games ever played. It came down to a last second field goal by Jim O’Brien which gave the Colts a 16-13 win over the Dallas Cowboys. The game was so bad that it is the only time in Super Bowl history that the Super Bowl MVP was given to a player on the losing team. Linebacker Chuck Howley of the Dallas Cowboys.

[@gluserty]

@@shackdaddy7106 Yeah, "The under Bowl"😁: thing is, both Cowboys Super Bowl wins were sloppy affairs, but Dallas played better in the second win (Roger Staubach was too efficient to let things get out of hand...Craig Morton certainly didn't enjoy his starts in the big game though!). Definitely, both the Dolphins & Colts did well with the Shula swap, and if Robert Irsay didn't become Colts owner, maybe they don't slip into irrelevance.

[@nicoleknight9412]

If Manning had played for a good team, he might have wound up with a Super Bowl ring or two.

[@barbaracaroll]

Eli and Peyton got them for him

[@CTubeMan]

This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about a bizarre quarterback platoon explanation involving the Oilers in 1982. These two situations had many similarities. -Archie Manning -A quarterback traded from New Orleans to Houston (again Archie Manning) -A quarterback who wore #14 (Gifford Nielsen) -An Ed(d) making a bizarre explanation (Oilers HC Ed Biles)

[@djbryanladd]

You're a lame troll. He makes a great video.

[@jesselopez7850]

I've worked with complete morons who have no idea how bad they are at their job. Some people live in altered realities.

[@marcus813]

I would say that Hargett lacked self-awareness, but that would be a colossal understatement. If the Saints' head coach randomly pulled Manning for no good reason on a regular basis just to mollify Hargett's sorry ass, the coach would've been out of a job on the spot.

[@miketemple7686]

It’s not lost on me how JG9 found actual video footage of an NFL QB bust by the name of “whatever”, playing for Texas A&M in 1969! WHAT!

[@karlcooper7016]

Archie Manning was not only a franchise quaterback he was the whole francise.

[@gluserty]

I feel Archie gave football viewers a reason to pay attention to the Saints, too bad the Saints just left him hanging.

[@justinalley3399]

archie was trash

[@elijahpatterson2596]

Archie is the Brees before Brees. Both great QBs in Saints history, both let down by their teams. Brees should've won more, Archie should've just won.

[@gluserty]

@@elijahpatterson2596 Brees had a better time with it all (I'm sure Archie would've been thrilled with that 10-6 2006 Saints season, when the NFC as a whole was weak and the Saints were only kind of good. Archie's Saints apex was 1978-'79, when the team went 15-17. Reminds me of the Jeff Blake-led 1995-'96 Bengals, exciting skill players but still too many holes), but I feel the comparison is justified. I feel Archie Manning deserved a lot better than being on the winning end of 35 NFL games, but Brees should have no less than 3 championships. But as QB's and as individuals, I consider both of them champions.

[@elijahpatterson2596]

@@gluserty Agreed. I appreciate the respect. It seems like Brees has been overshadowed by guys like Peyton Manning, Brady, and Rodgers his entire career. Funny since among these legends, Brees will be the second to get a gold jacket.

[@briannearey8902]

Best part of this video is at 10:17 when Manning throws a pass into the flats while #46 is going deep,looks wide open,he looks back and sees Archie has already thrown it to someone else and he throws his head back in disgust 😂

[@tedkijeski339]

Ah, the Southwest Conference -- a.k.a. the "All-Texas-Except-for-One-Team" Conference!

[@stevenbauer4799]

swc = Sure Will Cheat

[@tedkijeski339]

@@stevenbauer4799 Pony Excess!!!

[@stevenbauer4799]

@@tedkijeski339 yep. e dick knew all about it.

[@johnhardman825]

@@stevenbauer4799 So What Conference

[@stevenbauer4799]

@@johnhardman825 yep.

[@NosferatusCoffin]

Landry has already been mentioned as rotating QBs, but that was more out of indecision between Staubach and Morton, rather than by design. The most successful QB platoon system were the late 40's/early 50's Rams, with Bob Waterfield and JG9 favorite, Norm Van Brocklin. Those teams were among the most explosive, ever. Even by today's standards. The 1950 Rams averaged nearly 40 points per game, still a record, I believe. Between them they won two championships and appeared in two others. Granted, it helped that both QBs ended up in the Hall of Fame.

[@shackdaddy7106]

You mentioned that Edd Hargett went into politics after his football days were done. Based on your story that seems highly appropriate. Great work as usual.

[@christopherengel7436]

It's Edd with two D's. Seriously. My buddy is a huge Saints fan & an encyclopedia of all things Saints.

[@shackdaddy7106]

@@christopherengel7436 I have never heard of anybody else who spelt that name that way. But I am sure they are out there.

[@christopherengel7436]

@@shackdaddy7106 same here. Pretentious I think.

[@bobscott2429]

@@shackdaddy7106 For those of a certain age, there was actor Edd Byrnes, who starred as "Kookie" in the TV show 77 Sunset Strip (1958-63). "Kookie" was a hip, cool, wisecracking parking lot attendant, an early "Fonzie" type. He and his comb were so inseparable that Byrnes and Connie Stevens recorded a hit single, "Kookie, Kookie, Lend Me Your Comb," which charted #4 on the Billboard Hot 100 in May 1959. Byrnes' most famous movie role was a Dick Clark-type dance contest host (Vince Fontaine) in "Grease" (1978).

[@shackdaddy7106]

@@bobscott2429 I am of that certain age. Although I was very young between four and eight years old when that show is on. I was pretty smart and I do remember watching it. And I’ve got that song on my iPhone.

[@tgfabthunderbird1]

Lack of situational awareness is an understatement.

[@icetraydemartini3963]

I coached a baseball player who was an "effort" guy so I gave him a spot despite low talent. He bitched about backing up a 3 time All Star. Finally got his shot one day. Walked 4 times. Picked off 4 times. 4 defensive errors. Next game blew a gasket when he was not in the starting lineup. He told me should be on a MLB team, in particular the A's for some reason in 2003. After 2 years as a backup he got his first hit on the last game of the season and demanded guaranteed everyday starter hitting cleanup or he'd test the market. He's still testing the market 20 years later.

[@zachbernheisel2239]

College ball?

[@icetraydemartini3963]

@@zachbernheisel2239 Competitive adult 18+ travel next level below semi-pro

[@CTubeMan]

This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about the Broncos changing quarterbacks on every play in 1992.

[@23_CM]

I need him to put you on his payroll 😂

[@CTubeMan]

@@23_CM I’ll take free merch.

[@robz2836]

Tom Landry used to rotate Roger Staubach and Crraig Morten in every game in the 70's so there is an example of a coach doing this in the NFL.

[@eugenedenbrook322]

Yeah, actually that lasted for like a season and a half, and cost them Super Bowl 5 (oh, sorry, "V". Gotta be legit).

[@masterpete8459]

The Saints did rotate Ed Hargett and Billy Kilmer during the 1970 season. The O line was so bad they had to play two quarterbacks to keep at least one reasonably healthy. Then in 1971 Hargett got some playing time to take some pressure off the rookie Archie Manning. I think Harget was upset in 1972 because he didn’t even get any garbage time

[@tipharris1087]

Fun fact: Tom Landry platooned Staubach and Morton for one game; they rotated pretty much every few plays

[@marcdaley]

Never trust a man who spells Ed with two D's.

[@dookiehowser1162]

yes, it's very ddouchy

[@teen_laqueefa]

A couple of boobs are the only dd I trust

[@stevenbauer4799]

ddickhead move

[@CTubeMan]

Stop ddissing Edd!

[@bobscott2429]

The Endd.

[@karlcooper7016]

The first saints jersey was so badass they should have stayed with those.

[@denisceballos9745]

I’m gonna put in a word of support for ol’ Edd Hargett. In 1971, Hargett was platooning with Manning all year up to week 13 - the Cleveland game. That’s when Archie seems to have solidified his hold on the starting job. Hargett had led the Saints to an impressive victory against the 49ers (week 9) where he threw 3 TD passes. So, he was splitting time as the starter up to the last game of the season. If you look at the Saints box scores from 1971, you see that both QBs often played in the same game. The following year, 1972, with Manning playing every down, the Saints actually had a worse team by far. Hargett felt he should’ve gotten more playing time as he did in ‘71 when the Saints won more games.

[@briannearey8902]

There are some aspects,not all,of the 70s/Early 80s jerseys that I think are so cool...The giant numbers,when they stitched the names in big letters on the back,the numbers on the arms. Really miss that type of jersey.

[@icetraydemartini3963]

I love the confidence.

[@rich7787]

Joey Gallo could use some of that I think

[@Unknown-bq9id]

Fun fact: The Houston Oilers had the #3 draft pick in the first round of the 1971 NFL Draft, just one behind...New Orleans, which picked Archie Manning, of course; imagine if the Oilers had managed to do worse, land at #2, and get Archie Manning 11 years earlier than they did IRL...

[@RetroJR3379]

Either he wanted Steve Spurrier to be the coach or thought it was gonna be like Baseball with the pitcher

[@BD-1-And-Only]

I keep thinking eventually JG8 will run out of crazy football stories but I guess there’s an unlimited supply lol

[@brandallwellborn6657]

FYI. Spiking a football was intentional grounding until 1993.

[@Ariel1Storm]

Point of interest. The Saints in fact fired JD Roberts after the 1972 season. Hiring John North as the head coach for the 1973 season.

[@mrmajikjr]

Maybe he was complaining that they didn't send him in to play mop up duty in blowouts? Though for a bad 2-12 team, they didn't really get blown out that often. Mostly one score loses.

[@ronsmac]

He obviously wasn’t very good but actually had a higher qb rating than Kilmer in 69 and 70 and manning in 71. The Saints were terrible.

[@briannearey8902]

JG,do you think the biggest reason for the lower completion pct. back in the 70s and some of the 80s was that the defense had more leeway to be in the receivers faces? Or was it just that the run game was emphasized more than the pass?

[@mikewolverton7904]

Today's football is a completely different game compared to football from 1969-1971, sorta like going into an Italian restaurant and ordering chicken fajitas.

[@patrickstogsdill74]

I'm a coach of a team we in a big time stage of a big time game and our starting QB is playing lights out...qnd last drive in 4th qtr I'll put my 4th or 5th stringer in

[@Davepool-hs7vr]

Do a video on the Saints trading away all of their draft picks just to draft Ricky Williams.

[@mrmonty86]

Edd ego tripped with LSD.

[@jeffprovo7604]

Funny thing.. if this was baseball, the guy would've had a point. I mean, how many starting pitchers ever actually finish the game? He was just stuck in the wrong sport.

[@russellst.martin4255]

Delusional levels of ego and self importance? The man was practically destined to become a politician.

[@karlcooper7016]

Hell I remember when Bobby Douglas was a Saint how did this guy slip by me?

[@NosferatusCoffin]

Ole Bobby split time with Bobby Scott in '76, as Archie was out all season with a shoulder injury.

[@karlcooper7016]

@@NosferatusCoffin Well that was later Saints this was earlier Saints..Now I get it.

[@WVUer21]

To paraphrase Oscar Martinez from The Office: "What ship doesn't run better with two captains? Where would the Catholic Church be without the two Popes?"

[@teen_laqueefa]

🚹🚺

[@bobjennings6673]

If the New Orleans ever drafted me, I would be making a trade request immediately.

[@rafa521NOLA]

As a Saints fan, I would love to get your take on the River City Relay from a Jaguars fan's perspective. LOL.

[@23_CM]

Lol! What a crazy, iconic play. I’ll never forget the shock when John Carney missed the PAT

[@nasetvideos]

Some things make absolutely no sense...this trade request is most certainly one of them. Very interesting story that I had never heard of in NFL history. Great title to a great video--Well done.

[@markbrian7179]

CLUELESS should have been on the back of his Houston Oiler jersey.

[@karlcooper7016]

I never heard of him no wonder he just had a cup of coffee in New Orleans.

[@Bruce12867]

I don't know what kind of a politician he turned out to be, but it's probably not shocking he went into politics.

[@preciousroyhomeshoppingnet6219]

Poor Edd. Still confused about it im sure

[@mikeybarboza3086]

To be you can talk about Archie's stats all you want but he wasnt winning games. Clearly he wasn't either but to think as the backup why can't I get in if all this dude above is doing is putting up better stats but still losing maybe he should've gotten another chance

[@karlcooper7016]

Don't look now but Drew Brees is talking about coming out of retirement.

[@RCVictoryLane]

6:16

[@FlintGiven]

well there has been successful QB rotation systems, not agreeing with Edd but making false statements in ur videos has to be pointed out.

[@dookiehowser1162]

Who the hell was # 46? he caught almost all of Manning's passes for td's

[@Bruce12867]

Danny Abramowicz.

[@NosferatusCoffin]

Great, great WR, who was by far their best one. Frankly, aside from Was Chandler, who only played a little over three years with the Saints and Marcus Colston, you could argue that he is still their greatest WR.

[@buhbuhjaychampagne1706]

@@NosferatusCoffin Gotta throw in Eric Martin in that conversation my friend.

[@fieldguy316]

Drew Brees the legend the GOAT ⚜

[@chadwickwhite6107]

Well CONSIDERING the FACT that the New Orleans Saints are WAY BELOW a 39.6 and SHOULD SPIKE the football into the ground on EVERY single OFFENSIVE play this doesn't SURPRISE me at ALL that they we do something THIS BONEHEADED. ALSO don't FORGET LIVE NFL TRIVIA EVERY WEDNESDAY NIGHT ON TWITCH!!!! Test YOUR football KNOWLEDGE and win CASH PRIZES!!!!!

[@CTubeMan]

No Fun Facts?

[@eddiekulp1241]

I recall Hargett , if he was good enough he would have started over Kilmer or Mannihg . But he didn't as mediocre as they were