The DUMBEST Trades In NHL History

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[@RobTalksHockey]

With context, what is the dumbest trade you can think of?

[@acone4760]

Literally anything involved with Peter Chiralli

[@amabo8896]

gotta be panarin for saad, one of the worst moves of the stan bowman era

[@wick3dx17x]

Don't forget they also traded Dach and Hagel...

[@dk8583]

This offseason… Patches for a used trash bag filled with hot air (also known as “future considerations”).

[@BentleyMundell]

The fleury for hakkarainen trade

[@viggothysinistertoaster2696]

It’s shameful being a Hawks fan seeing how they’re managing the team. One bad trade might be okay, but 3 in a span of a couple of years, destroying the entire teams future... I’m completely lost for words...

[@TheDraftReport]

In a way it’s a foolproof plan though. If you’re picking top five in 2023 you are getting an elite, potentially franchise-altering player. Picking top ten? Tons of high end game breakers to be had anywhere inside the top fifteen the way it’s looking so far. If the Hawks are bottom three in the NHL next year (which seems inevitable) they will have one of Connor Bedard, Matvei Michkov, Adam Fantilli, Leo Carlsson, or Brayden Yager as the participation trophy.

[@PlooshYT]

Man, just wait until the Kane trade. Can’t wait to see how little they get for him

[@redred222]

the team is getting its karma for what it did, covering up a sexual assault is one of the worst things you can do with as a team, dont cover up crimes how hard is that the let a certain father son team ruin the team, just because one is in the hall of fame it doesnt matter, and some of still wont admit there involvement in the cover up, if they didnt know how did players on other teams find out about it, keep in mind the assault ruined a player that could have been good for them, it ruined kyle life hes doing ok now but how do you let that happen

[@Deenaziamazinjg14]

@@TheDraftReport lol or the player they draft could be a bust! These are 16 year old kids no one knows how they will do in the nhl or in their careers?

[@bigdaddyd6592]

@@redred222 it didn’t ruin Kyle’s career. sure what happened sucks but let’s not pretend the dude was going to reach his expected potential. he was only ever a big guy that got a ton of PIMs. it’s not because he was “traumatized” by being groped by a dude half the size of the people he fought in his playing career.

[@zogos_4120]

The Seth Jones trade is a pinnacle example of how overpaying for success when not having it prior will lead teams to failure

[@dankelly5150]

And just wait 'till you see the return for Jones, Kane and Toews ! That'll completely finish the job and likely secure Connor Bedard so there is a bright spot !! 🤷‍♂

[@Ryan-vi2qy]

Bowman was desperate to keep his job. That's why he did this ridiculous trade and got fleury and Tyler Johnson last year before they sacked him. This new guy is just as ridiculous.

[@1957jimh]

Exactly.9.5 for a minus 37!

[@slappy200]

@@dankelly5150 Duh hawks aren't getting anything of value for Seth Jones

[@LieuFang]

Fun Fact: Seth Jones still had a year left on his contract when he was traded, so the Hawks actually have to deal with his contract for 8 more years (he'll be 35 and 8 months when it expires).

[@AEMoreira81]

The Jackets traded him so that they could extend Zach Werenski.

[@machinegunc1325]

As a cbj fan, I’m lovin it. If you look at all the stuff the blue jackets have been able to do because of that trade, it’s insane

[@LieuFang]

@@machinegunc1325 Jiricek, Sillinger, and Boqvist have the chance to turn it into an all-world lopsided trade.

[@1957jimh]

Jones was not superstar defenseman in Columbus and makes more money than Sidney Crosby. Figure than one out Hawks fans.

[@brendan3966]

Plenty of defensemen have been great into their mid 30s. The contract isn't that bad.

[@maxsiu6858]

As an Islanders fan, Mike Milbury would be his own segment here. Chara(early on), Luongo, Todd Bertuzzi, JP Dumont, not drafting Zach Parise, Berard, possibly drafting Spezza, & Jokinen.

[@kevinwickberg8978]

Dude J.P Dumont was an Islander

[@t-max7261]

Milbury was a full-on clown show! So was Garth Snow. They had so many good young players during the 90s but always managed to FUBAR everything. Lou(ser) is no better, as illustrated in this video. Vomit

[@AEMoreira81]

Later on, that Devon Toews trade hurts. If the Islanders knew that Boychuk would not play again, they wouldn’t have made that trade.

[@DanIvyOffical]

You’ve got parise now haha

[@maxsiu6858]

@@kevinwickberg8978 Drafted, never played for them

[@jamescivet9767]

As a blackhawks fan all I can say is thank you Stan Bowman. You forgot to name the architect of the debacle , one Mr Bowman. You can also give him a big share of the blame for allowing a sexual predator to attack his young players. Stan, despite being the general manager,said it wasn’t his fault because he was kind of new on the job. When he was allowed to resign instead of being fired he blamed the team president and then forgot to apologize to the victims. You also didn’t talk about Bowman trading Philip Danault to Montreal for nothing.

[@Sox-wp9lo]

Towes said he wanted Danault for the playoff run

[@Diogenes-ty9yy]

I remember when Panarin was traded, I believe it a sports reporter who asked Coach Quenneville about the trade and Quenneville had not yet been informed by Bowman that the trade had been made! I believe that opened a rift between Coach Q and Bowman and the team has gone downhill since. But bad trades and the Hawks? How can the trade to the Bruins of Phil Esposito, Ken Hodge, and Fred Stanfield for (GASP! CHOKE!) Gilles Marotte not be mentioned???!!! The Bruins went on to greatness and the Hawks to mediocrity.

[@PhoenixRiseinFlame]

I know Lamoriello is a legendary GM, but I’m fully convinced he’s over the hill. He keeps adding defensive players while the team’s offence is drier than the Sahara desert. He fires Trotz, probably the only reason that the Islanders were able to make it to the Eastern conference finals 2/4 years, and the second round 2/4 years. Complete and total incompetence from the management.

[@davids.5903]

Idk what happened last yr. Lou wouldn’t acquire anyone and Barry refused to play what we had. Tbh I’m not sure what the answer is but something needed to change. It was hard to watch during our biggest push in decades. Combine that with UBS opening, covid & terrible season… just ugggh

[@MrOctober44]

Trotz is the only reason they made consecutive conference finals, lol? Why has Barry only won one cup if he's that great. Why is it he only got to a conference finals one other time in his career? The isles are currently 9-5 and third in the east in goals scored. Maybe, just maybe, they actually have a decent amount of talent on the team. 😁

[@ryanwhipple7645]

They went from an early 2010’s dynasty to literally one of the worst franchises I’ve ever seen in less than 10 years. It’s insane.

[@redred222]

well they tried to cover up the fact one of there player was assaulted, go read the investigation they all knew and still wont admit they did

[@davidkruse4030]

It’s nuts. I find it so Satisfying. Their Detroit sucks chant. There bandwagon fans who tried to act like they weren’t. But yeah that organization went from bad trades to awful trades to full on implosion with the sexual assault cover up. That part is sad. But the team was set on fire by god awful trades. Bowman really was a bad gm. He inherited assets and made a few deals early on but everything since 2016 was trash trash

[@danialholland784]

@@redred222 I think their point was kyle beach, 6 foot 2 200 lbs tough customer, allowed himself to be abused by a video coach standing at 5 foot 9 165 lbs. Its gross but come on now

[@HappyTurtleTurtle]

I disagree. Sustained failure is the mark of a truly bad team. In recent memory Arizona and Edmonton come to mind. Hawks are a few years off of being that bad.

[@nickkostecka9983]

The legend of Stan Bowman

[@MafiaGuido]

I am convinced Chicago has blocked all phone calls from Jarmo and Columbus after getting fleeced by Jarmo twice. Oh an one minor note, Jones is signed for 8 more years. His 8 year deal starts this upcoming season.

[@Wexter0083]

I think they also need to now block Ottawa and Dorion's number moving forward.

[@tromedl]

He must be one happy camper lol

[@the3jgamer705]

You gave us Saad which was also a trade that favored us to even start. The Blue Jackets have literately took everything from Chicago. We rebuilt once around Panarin and made playoff runs and now rebuilding around the Jones trade. Thanks for that.

[@brianmurchie9309]

The worst trade in history has to be the Marcel Dionne trade. Trading away a 23 year old 100 point scorer for a journey man defenseman and a 60 point player that left after a couple years.

[@andrewmontemiglio1468]

Yeah the doug Jarvis trade wasn't much better either.

[@icilouis5385]

For me it’s the Patrick Roy trade. Not necesserily regarding the return the Canadiens got, but since he left after getting humiliated by the new coach. If the coach did a better job, the Canadiens could’ve been a top 3 team in the league for a decade

[@andrewmontemiglio1468]

@@icilouis5385 yeah the roy trade was extremely bad too. If I remember correctly they traded john leclair away virtually for a bag of pucks.

[@FooFloyDon]

He wanted to leave the Wings though and didn’t have a contract at the time of the trade, they traded his rights away. Bad trade but not the worst trade in history with that context.

[@LurchyScott]

@@andrewmontemiglio1468 It was John LeClair and Eric Desjardins for Mark Recchi essentially. Mark Recchi was a very good player and played well for Montreal in his short time there but compared to what LeClair and Desjardins would become? It's completely lopsided. What made that trade worse was they traded Recchi BACK to Philadelphia for.....Danius Zubrus. Montreal's GM decisions in the 90s were questionable to say the least lol.

[@wolverine1800]

if Chicago never traded Panarin and still had debrincat, they would still be competitive.

[@lordrayden3045]

No, Beciase salary cap

[@RobTalksHockey]

@@lordrayden3045 They had Duncan Keith, Seabrook, Anisimov, etc. That could've traded for 4 million extra in cap

[@lordrayden3045]

@@RobTalksHockey They paid / are paying the price for winning. When you’re in your window you trade drsft picks / sight contracts like towes and kane (and crawford / Keith / seabrook etc) and worry about the rest later.

[@stopdroolin8418]

@@lordrayden3045 No, they dug their own grave is precisely what they've done.

[@lordrayden3045]

@@stopdroolin8418 Yeah….. to win…. Now they are dealing with it Same thing will happen to Tampa

[@thefoss5387]

The Blackhawk trade for Saad, IMO, was a desperate attempt to revive Toews' flagging career. Toews had no chemistry with any of his LW for a couple of years, whereas Kane flourished with Panarin, Anisimov, DeBrincat, and almost anyone else they put on his line. Saad was a throwback to the the Saad/Toews/Kane line of previous successful years. Unfortunately, Saad/Toews could not re-capture that chemistry, and Kane was too valuable on a separate line. The misguided emphasis on Toews was reflected, for a couple of seasons, by the team referring to Toews' line as the FIRST line, and the line with Kane as the Second. Unwillingness to demote Toews to lesser line matchups was fatal, in the long run.

[@Bullshirt1983]

Like how Tkachuk showed up big in the important games vs the Oilers in this years playoffs.

[@jacobbouwmeester9738]

For real went total ghost mode and let Connor of all people physically outmatch him

[@cameronkuom8168]

What’s hilarious is Jones actually has 8 years left (not 7). The contract hasn’t even started yet and there going full tank mode

[@DirkStarlight]

Gotta reach the cap floor once Kane and toews are gone. Jones will be tank commander.

[@deecee2174]

Never forget when Peter Chiarelli traded Drake Caggula, one of McDavid's good buddies.... for Brandon Manning, the defenseman who injured McDavid and made fun of him for it. The Hall for Larsson trade was almost as bad but personality wise at least that's an upgrade!

[@kodyskwarchuk7421]

They had no use for Hall, as Draisaitl and Nuge were already established centres, as well as McDavid at that point. They needed a top pairing dman like Larsson. Now when the Oilers traded that 14th overall pick to NYI for Griffin Reinhardt, THAT will haunt us forever. Hall was a cancer to the franchise. They should have traded Hall for Reinhardt and kept the 14th overall picked so Barzal and Ebs could have been oilers together, it would have been beneficial to both franchises.

[@ozma6918]

The Blackhawks are now dragged kicking and screaming into a rebuild they didn't want to have, yet with all these awful trades they'd be pretenders by now. Imagine having them keep Toews, Kane, DeBrincat, Panarin, Dach, Teravainen, and so on... I mean, looking at it on paper, it's a pretty damn good team. Now, they flushed it all down the drain to restart. We've seen how this went with Buffalo trading every prospect under the sun to have a restart, and it's still doubtful they'll make the playoffs this upcoming year... It's been over a decade since their last playoff appearance. Does this mean there's going to be a decade between appearances in the 'yoffs for the Hawks? Well, if so, they're halfway in that decade already. Such a shame for a team that was so close to be called a dynasty about 7 years ago...

[@masonwright7700]

Chicago won 3 cups in 2010 2013 and 2015. They last made the playoffs in 2020

[@arminboenecker2202]

I think one of the best Trades in History was Erik Karlsson to San Jose

[@dwaynethewokjohnson7773]

Funny enough Ottawa made a fool of themself trading for Duchene giving away Byram to Avs but hey Sharks gave them Stutzle with their pick so it’s all good. And I thoughr that the Sharks underpaid lol. I thought that Erik was worth at least another first

[@formulahank1250]

I can remember thinking it was robbery at the time, but boy was I wrong. Karlsson had one decent season and fell off a cliff

[@arminboenecker2202]

@@dwaynethewokjohnson7773 i was angry at the time i thought WE give away our Franchise Player For almost nothing but man was i wrong and AS a German i really hoped stützle goes 3 rd at the draft in 2020😉😆😆

[@Terminator6364]

@@formulahank1250 Seems like he climbed up again! And 6th, 12th and 15th in P/PG by leagues defensemans is not really falling off a cliff.

[@boochduke13]

Thank you for Roasting my hawks they truly become a dumpster fire again after we thought those days where over!

[@aspirindamage5152]

this tkachuck trade analysis aged like fine wine

[@LudwigBeefoven]

The problem with sand paper/rough grit players like Tkachuk is that the wear and tear is not caused only on the opposing players but on that tough player as well. So, 5-8 years from now, will Tkachuk still be effective? It is a gamble.

[@kj6446]

I'd guess even fewer years than that...wear and tear plus his numbers were aided by his linemates...

[@pcgamingperformance5841]

@@kj6446 Name a player in the nhl right now who's numbers weren't aided by his teammates. Seriously one of the dumbest things I have ever read.

[@pifpaf865]

Look at gallaguer, used to be way better

[@bl9531]

Calgary didn’t trade Tkachuk cuz they didn’t want to keep Tkachuk. The alternative to the trade was losing him for nothing.

[@SirCanuckelhead]

Gally and him are different. Sadly got gally his heart is a thousand times his body size, he takes more punishment then anyone in the league and does it with a smile. I can’t imagine what it must be like trying to get out of bed some days for him. Good thing about Matt is that he doesn’t need the points to be effective, he is more of a pest then a true grinder. Marchand has kept it up for a long time. Also he is going to be playing with skilled guys in Florida so in theory his line are quality is not changing too much. I pity defensemen who are going to face a line of Barkov and tkachuk together.

[@shaman9]

Stan Bowman was one of the worst GMs in history. He was handed a cup winning team and destroyed it with bad contracts, bad trades and mediocre drafts.

[@miketietsort5184]

eye roll

[@momoofmoore9847]

What about the other 2?

[@Monsieur_Chartier]

For Chicago, you couldve included trading away Kirby Dach too

[@EndeAbgrunds]

Dach is a bust.

[@partypancake7287]

Nah Dach isn’t all that good. At least in Chicago.

[@SirCanuckelhead]

@@partypancake7287 The kid is 21, 6'4, big players pretty much always take longer to really break into the nhl. But yet he has 59 points in 152 games on a shit team. The former 3rd overall is in a decent place for a player of his type. Terrible asset management and return.

[@nicloberg5815]

@@EndeAbgrunds imagine being 21 and being called a bust. You seem very myopic

[@caleykruse9852]

Dach is overrated as hell He’s not that great

[@evolgrim4139]

That beginning speaks volumes now, Calgary not winning the cup, and Matthew spearheading into the Stanley cup playoffs

[@whitegd4100]

The paccioretty trade to Carolina. But its because they could've at least gotten a 7th round pick instead of fucking nothing. However I'm happy to have him in Carolina.

[@JoshJoshJoshJoshJoshJoshua]

He only had one year left and his departure made the Knights virtually cap-compliant on his own, otherwise we were looking at losing 4+ young and proven players potentially. Ya it looks bad on paper since Paccioretty is still a tremendous player and was one of our first liners, but ultimately considering his number of injuries lately, and how integral his cap relief was to keeping the strong depth of the team intact, it was a good trade. Lots of teams would have honestly expected a pick or two with him, knowing our cap situation.

[@Taubogason.40]

@@JoshJoshJoshJoshJoshJoshua still looks weird if you think about what VGK gave up for him

[@hockeycardcollecters]

Hawks still have 8* years of jones

[@Wexter0083]

You also have to add in the fact that they traded away Kirby Dach the same day as DeBrincat! A 3rd overall selection AND he is only 21. Yes Dach had some disappointing seasons in Chicago, but you don't just trade away a 21-year-old centreman with the upside of Dach... just WOW!!! Just wow!

[@ahahaha2545]

Dach wasn’t panning out, and we got frank nazar from that. Id say that was the first good trade they’ve done in a while

[@jamescook9661]

And they refused to play Strome until injuries warranted it. Then after he lit it up they traded him

[@medaelmtree1538]

You could argue the Zibanejad trade was awful on Ottawa’s part

[@codymachado]

To think at the time I was pisses NY traded Brassard. Him and stepan 2 of the worst contracts and downfalls I've seen

[@brianschmidt153]

Stan Bowman made some of the worst moves for the Blackhawks. Yeah, they had some cap issues, but he basically created a mess the Kyle Davidson has to clean up. As a Hawks fan, I don’t love that we’re planning to tank this year, but at least I respect Davidson for having a plan and telling everyone what it is. Bowman seemed like he had no plan for the next generation of the team.

[@tylermcgriff1183]

You should include the Robin Lehner trade in the blackhawks segment. They had to choose between 28 year old lehner, who could anchor the team at goalie for the next 7 years at least or 35 year old Corey Crawford who would retire the next season. They chose Crawford.

[@TheDraftReport]

Dude….let me break this down for you. A) Tkachuk has ONE point-per-game season in his entire career so far. ONE. The Darryl Sutter Effect blew his offense way out of proportion. I guarantee you he doesn’t get even close to 100 points next year. Huberdeau has been top ten in league scoring for what now? Four or five straight years? And he’s only counting 5.9 mil against the cap, which gives Calgary options to add even more before the playoffs. Huberdeau is better than Tkachuk, and that really shouldn’t be debated by anyone. B) One of Florida’s weak spots is their defense corps, wouldn’t you agree? Now they just gave up their second best d-man. Not smart. C) Cole Schwindt is considered possibly their best prospect and they included him as well. D) oh yeah, and a first round pick. This trade is HORRIBLE for Florida. That’s a fact. Just wait and see

[@TheDraftReport]

In addition…all this toughness and grit everybody keeps saying Matt Tkachuk has makes me laugh. Where was this toughness in the playoffs? Ohhhhh that’s right. He knew Kassian or Kane would smash his teeth out without giving it a second thought so he DISAPPEARED. ZERO toughness on display. He was a non-factor in the playoffs, period. And aside from his flukey 100 point season he has averaged 55 to 65 points every year AT THE MOST. Have fun with Turtle for almost 10 million a year hahahaha

[@lorrainebunn6306]

Finally...someone talking sense. Wholeheartedly agree. (You do watch lots of hockey don't ya?)

[@TheDraftReport]

@@lorrainebunn6306 yes I do lol but I don’t even really think you have to watch much hockey to realize how overrated Tkachuk is. Just take a look at his stats and that says it all

[@Jayteeef]

@@TheDraftReport Agree with everything you said. Even though Tkachuk's 4 years younger than Huberdeau, the Flames still want to compete and they got two future assets in this deal in Schwindt and the first rd. pick. Even if Huderdeau and/or Weegar don't re-sign in Calgary, each one is worth a first rounder and other assets at the deadline. Flames do not make the same mistake as Gaudreau and let them go for nothing.

[@wingnug55]

The dumbest trade ever was the Red Wings trading Ted Lindsay and Mr. Goalie Glenn Hall away because they wanted a player's union. After that trade the Wings did not make the playoff for over 40 years.

[@seanfaucher9602]

Hey rob, what trade value can toews get in a trade after he said it’s unlikely he wants to stay for a rebuild ?

[@jasonhuibers2315]

The Hawks team overall is the biggest dumpster fire. Upper management has ruined the team beyond repair. They won't be competitive for at least another 10 years. Trading Debrincat was the icing on the cake and they should of never traded for Jones

[@codymachado]

What makes the Saad trade even worse is Chicago traded him to columbus like 2 years prior for anisimov and depth players. Just to trade panarin to reacquire him. So basically panarin, Saad and Tyler motte for Saad and anisimov. Quite the trade lmao.

[@cygnusx-1862]

Being from Chicago I have seen these trades have really eroded the fans confidence in management and the future of the franchise.

[@jameskillbot2867]

You won 3 cups, why does it matter. If a gm won my team a cup he could hire his old beer league friends after the cup to play for 10 years and I wouldn’t give a shit.

[@heathclark318]

Feel this video is only part of what should be an hour and half video going back through the 90-s to present. Nice work

[@Priyce]

What makes things worse is that Seth Jones contract just kicked in. Meaning that he will be getting paid $9.5m for the next 8 years.

[@j11smith]

great video, love your stuff. Pat brisson put out a statement on Seth Johnny and Patrick Kane.... they are all seeking trades out of town this summer.

[@aqaz120]

Love your content dude, I'm a hawks fan and yeah most of those trades with Panerin and getting Seth Jones hurts a lot. But that just shows how stan Bowman incapableness of asset management. At the time I KNOW 1000% their were other ways the hawks could have moved other assets to retain those Stars and maybe kept them relevant in the playoffs a little longer. Now cause of bowbums dumbass couldnt draft s*** and poor trades..... This is where we're at.... Kyle Davidson is just cleaning up all of Bowman's f*** ups and start fresh and honestly it's needed. All Bowman had to do was be patient develop and move other assets smart to retain the Stars but NOPE...peeps forgot Dale talon built this team Bowman did not

[@rhyta5042]

Bowman fired Tallon and Q because they didn't like his ideas, thought he was a genius and look at the mess he created. Completely preventable but it's too late to change it. Going to be hard to watch this team self destruct, no wonder Pat Foley and Eddie Olcyzk left the organization.

[@MrSalg7]

I’m so glad you made this video I’ve been scratching my head about this

[@brettplants9435]

With the Blackhawks, I think it’s safe to say that Bowman was an idiot and should’ve been fired long ago. I can’t find a justification for signing Seth Jones, but the DaBrinkat trade, I think might be a play to get Kane and towes to waive their now trade clauses. Only somewhat logical explanation I can come up with.

[@lordrayden3045]

Yes, And he’s got more value now. They weren’t going to be able to sign him, so move him

[@franzbrunner499]

don't excessively praise Tkatchuk, did Calgary achieve anything exceptional with him -his postseason performances are anything else than superior 27 games, 7 goals, 8 assists, +/- minus 11!

[@ovechkin100]

seth jones was -37 last year LOL

[@mondoseguendo6113]

Nice

[@mastadlo]

Romanov was brought in also because of being good friends with Sorokin (to keep him long-term). And at the time of the Toews trade, a lot of pundits around the NHL thought it was a fair trade, but most Islander fans knew we got fleeced.

[@ryanwasiak7050]

Being a hawks fan right now is rough but I’m excited for the future. I would still take all this after winning 3 cups. A top 3 pick in this year draft will change everything for our team.

[@mr2slick910]

Fr

[@carbb5760]

I’m a sens fan and sometimes it’s best to just go scorched earth and tear it down. The hawks will probably be 3-4 years away but this is the way

[@mr2slick910]

@@carbb5760 fr but some it is dumb returns

[@Wexter0083]

I'm sure Chicago will do okay. Ottawa was looking like an eternal dumpster fire after the Erik Karlsson trade, but now we get to enjoy Norris and Stutzle. Good things happen to those who are patient. PS thank you for Cat, we look forward to seeing him play with Stutzle and Giroux.

[@mr2slick910]

@@Wexter0083 lmao hopefully

[@collinvill6583]

"Every trade by Stan Bowman" - The End

[@scottjordan5721]

The Blackhawks are a dumpster fire and actually are probably the worst team right now. Gave away: Dominik Kubalik Dylan Strome Kirby Dach Alex DeBrincat Adam Boqvist 2021 1st 12 (Cole Sillinger) 2021 2nd 44 (Aleksi Heimosalmi) 2022 1st 6 (David Jiricek) Artemi Panarin Teuvo Teravainen And Possibly Patrick Kane and Johnathan Toews. Some people may have forgotten but they traded the 26th pick in the 2017 draft which came out to be Jake Oettinger Received 2022 1st 13 (Frank Nasar) 2022 3rd 66 (Gavin Hayes) 2022 1st 7 (Kevin Korchinski) 2022 2nd 39 (Paul Ludwinski) 2024 3rd Seth Jones 2021 1st 32 (Nollan Allan) 2022 6th (Dominic James) Brandon Saad Anton Forsberg Henri Jokiharju

[@ponyboy9765]

No offense to Seth Jones, he’s a great player but that was the definition of FLEECED. Honestly rivals the Karlsson trade to SJ. And the best part is they’re both on horrible super long term contracts.

[@mr2slick910]

Jones had a good point season better than Boqvist, but yeah the timing was weird. Instead of “ trying to win” we should’ve rebuilt sooner.

[@bobbydice8934]

Should have included trading away Kirby Dach too. Add that one to their embarrassing failures.

[@christrudell7966]

IMO the Wendel Clark trade from Toronto to Quebec. Here's a player that gave EVERYTHING to the franchise. But in the end; they did bring him back to end his career. Anybody also remember the 92/93 season?

[@peterfroloff]

The isles ones made me cry. All I can hope is Toews somehow comes back. Rip

[@MikeHoncho610]

Not a chance bud

[@SsXTricKeY]

I grew up watching the Hawks Roenick , Chelios , Belfour watched all those guys leave due to owner being a cheapskate. Suffered thru all the lean years until we got Toews , Kane and the boys. I guess it's time to suffer again just sad seeing my boy Kane arguably best American Player ever in my opinion wasted in his later years of career at least got 3 cups early.

[@danielnam9026]

1:25 I've never seen anyone compare Tkachuk to JT Miller.. JT Miller is leaning more on the skill side than a power forward, and that is what Tkachuk is considered in today's game. Tanner Jeannot, Josh Anderson, Tyler Bertuzzi, and even Ovechkin are some of the known PFs. Guys that can score and bring the physicality.

[@jadenippersiel912]

Okposo too come back season

[@RobTalksHockey]

I was finding player comparisons who can put up PPG and play that gritty power forward game. JT Miller is borderline a powerfoward in my opinion. Ovechkin/Bertuzzi for sure though

[@danielnam9026]

@@jadenippersiel912 What?? Okposo's cooked, the guy hasn't been relevant since his days with the NYI. He's 34 and has been trending down for 6 years now. He's put up middling production for a guy who was paid 6Mx7. It was a disaster of a contract.

[@chickenalaking1319]

@@jadenippersiel912 Yeah, Chris Stewart too. Lol

[@danielnam9026]

@- "The way people talk about him you’d think he brings peak Tom Wilson level physicality (which he does not)." No one's mentioned Tom Wilson in this particular chat.. You might want to try reading again since you've clearly missed the point. The trade addresses their team's ability to keep their core young so they'll continue to keep pace in the Atlantic. Giroux was a rental player at the trade deadline, they were losing him after the season regardless of the outcome due to cap implications. Huberdeau's replaced by Tkachuk, moved out aging players in Hubs and Weegar. Marchment was a cap casualty lost to free agency, they wouldn't be able afford his cap hit. Panthers weren't the only team that downgraded in the Atlantic, 2 other contending teams had to lose or replace players from free agency. McDonagh and Palat from TB, Campbell and Mikheyev from Toronto. Don't expect to stay at the top forever in the salary cap era.

[@threeofive9401]

In the NHL, the salary cap makes trades for superstars a tricky business. I think the tendency is to think of Major League baseball, and perhaps particularly the Yankees, loading up on great players with no concern for team's payroll.

[@codyharrison5699]

What made you choose to slow your cadence?

[@Sonicthehedgefundmanager]

As a wings fan I hate the hawks, but I do feel bad for hawks fans, the way management has handled this team since their last cup win is insane, the way they just trade away stars like it’s nothing, not having a clear plan at all on the future, I think trading away boqvist is far and away the dumbest move this management team has made, and that includes the panarin and dabrincat moves, all for the sake of entering a rebuild then signing jones to that contract out of nowhere, it makes you wonder what’s happening in that front office. it hard to hate a team that seems to hate itself, you want the teams you hate to be good, and Chicago ain’t good.

[@PageMarker1]

Blackhawks fan wishing the Red Wings success here, along with the Sabres. We won 3 cups in 6 years, and if I never live to see the Hawks win on home ice again, I can live with having seen it in my lifetime. Been watching hockey & can remember Gordie Howe late in his career, along with Alex Delvecchio in the mid late 60's. Oh well, could be worse, maybe that's why I end up rooting for the Maple Leafs too, because we're not going anywhere soon.

[@mclovinjr5501]

The only problem I could see with the Tkachuk Brothers game is that because of all the hits they're throwing it could shorten their careers where they're in their prime. I'm thinking of players like Jamie Benn and Milan Lucic.

[@KkevrockK]

Lmao at you throwing up the Kane pic last..ya know the guy that completely neutered turtle. You can bet Maroon will do the exact same in Florida.

[@zlw1]

Capitals enter the chat, Forsberg for Martin Erat. Nashville, you did it!

[@darrellmackinnon1667]

*The Seth Jones deal isn't as bad as it looks. What makes it terrible, is that you pay a premium, sign him to a crippling long-term contract, and then expect him to play like Josi or Werenski, while dismantling the team/energy to win, around him.*

[@slappy200]

The Jonesies are mediocre talent, at best, and very low hockey IQ for their positions.

[@darrellmackinnon1667]

@@slappy200 Thank you for taking the time to reply to a comment...2 months later ...lmfao

[@bfkfraser]

Detroit traded a young Adam Oates and Rick Zombo for 2 aging veterans who played like they should have retired after the previous season in Tony McKegney and Bernie Federko

[@mikejaoude5496]

Great vid! Blackhawks def didn't make sense... they went all for it w/ Seth Jones and Fleury and then when they realized it was awful, they sold out the players they needed to rebuild around. RIP Dach and Debrincat. Also, dumb recent trade -- buchnevich. Understand the need and desire to move him... but for a second round pick?? A ppg player at $5.4m.... for a 2nd rounder. Insane. Reinhart got a 1st AND a blue chip goalie prospect who is looking like a potential top tier starter.... pretty nuts.

[@scottyfree6413]

Cant forget the good ol Scott Gomez for Ryan McDanaugh or however u spell his name. That was the habs worst trade imo

[@medaelmtree1538]

Especially considering McDonagh would beat Montreal every time he played them in the Playoffs. One time even being in the Final

[@philtess3126]

There was also Mike Ribeiro for janne ninimaa. That was something to laugh at as well.

[@ZekeAmishAssassin]

All these comments about the Blackhawks being a terribly run franchise...I'm a Flyer fan. *hold my twig*

[@davidkruse4030]

What’s even more sad is I was reading comments on an article were toews said he doesn’t think at this stage of his career if he fits into the rebuild. All of these toxic Chicago hawks fans were ripping him and blamed him for the bad trades. That is a hilariously bad take. I get it these fans are upset but my god I can’t believe they would be upset about him wanting out and blaming him for bad trades. And oh yeah they said his mysterious long term illness he had. It’s like yeah idiots you know that whole pandemic thing that has been going on for two years? Some people have long term health problems from it I already hated Chicago as a Detroit fan. Was jealous of their 3 cups but always knew there fans were bandwagons .

[@windycityblackhawks]

It at least makes me feel better that the Jones trade was the last bad trade Bowman was able to make before he was forced out. Davidson has made nothing but good trades so far & the only complaint is he should have got a bit more for DeBrincat but I’m still happy with what we drafted for the picks from the DeBrincat & Dach trades. Hawks are going in the right direction again finally.

[@Diogenes-ty9yy]

One can only hope, they can't really get any worse.

[@windycityblackhawks]

@@Diogenes-ty9yy oh they can and they will be worse after the trade deadline lol

[@marcus_aurelius8214]

1 year later and the Hawks are doing great now on their plan Kyle from Chicago knows what he’s doing.

[@chickenalaking1319]

Jagr was the reigning Art Ross winner when he was traded for three prospects( all from the 99' draft 🤮) and cash. That move pretty much set into motion the Pens fire sale/ rebuild. What gets me is that for Jagr, Kovalev, Straka, Kaspraitis and Hrdina, Craig Patrick didn't get one single draft pick for either of those players.

[@n1c023]

You should do best trades in NHL history. I think looking in the long-run, Yzerman is taking the Red Wings in a good direction. Especially because of this years trades

[@marianchicago4002]

That blackhawks team was super top heavy, between Toews, Kane, Hossa, Sharp, Keith, Seabrook, Hjarmarson and Crawford, they literally couldn't pay anyone else more than like a million with change per year, they didn't resign Brad Richards because he wanted 2 million plus a year. They used to shuffle inactive kids to AHL on game by game basis so they could save couple hundred here and there on their game checks because they were so tight against the cap. You don't understand the Panarin situation, before they brought in Panarin, they had Brandon Saad, better than solid but not spectacular player, he was coming up on the extension from his rookie deal but Blackhawks didn't have the cap money to extend him. While Saad wasn't spectacular as a player on his own, he played on the first line with Hossa and Toews, and together they were spectacular, they were cycle and possession monsters, unafraid to get into corners and boards and grind teams down on offense, but each player also great on defense, so they could go against top offensive line of opponent and shut them down. Kane and Sharp plus another one were very good on their own, so by splitting Kane and Toews, you made sure single line couldn't shut them down. When Saad left, Toews and Hossa line just cratered, Hossa was getting older, Toews took a LOT of hits over the years as we would later find out, they needed a partner that fit their style. And Saad played both power play and penalty kill. Then Saad got shipped out and Panarin came in, Blackhawks were scoring for fun, TV loved them, BUT the problem was the high scoring papered over the cracks of Toews line cratering in, the team was getting older and with Saad, Blackhawks were atleast in conference finals every year, his style fit how teams play in the playoffs, with Panarin, the Blackhawks got knocked out in first round both years Panarin was on the team as opponents don't let you score for fun in the playoffs. By trading Panarin away and bringing back Saad, Blackhawks were trying to recapture the old chemistry that made them so good. I would argue that trading away Saad while team was in their prime might have cost them another ring as it destroyed the Toews line and actually made it easy to put your best defensive line against Kane's line. Sadly bringing back Saad was little too late as the teams core aged out by that time.

[@fndmntl5341]

Tkachuk was barely a factor against the oilers in the playoffs. That's when he should have the biggest impact as the type of player he's supposed to be

[@the3jgamer705]

I really wish you would have mentioned that both their biggest blunders were done with the Blue Jackets. I love the Blackhawk’s. They have been helping us get better for years.

[@siimtokke3461]

Yes, Chicago could not gain 5 mil in the cap in those 2 years. Also, remind me where Panarin was traded and where he is playing. And more also, as you said Chicago is tanking for Bedard, and probably will trade Kane and Toews, but Seth Jones might be traded since there could be a borderline contender who would be willing to deal for Jones and Chicago will be more than happy to retain some of that contract in order to get him out.

[@RobTalksHockey]

They had 5+ vetran contracts totaling over 20 million in cap space. I think they could've unloaded a couple to retain a superstar

[@siimtokke3461]

@@RobTalksHockey Chicago was shopping Seabrook for years and there were no takers.

[@Deenaziamazinjg14]

@@siimtokke3461 so there going to retain salary for 8 years??

[@siimtokke3461]

@@Deenaziamazinjg14 We all know that Jones's contract is terrible, but Davidson did not give that to him. So having (if I remember correctly 50% is the max a team can retain) 4.75 mil cap hit for 8 years is better than having 9.5.

[@Deenaziamazinjg14]

@@siimtokke3461 that’s pretty damn dumb considering they want to be competitive in 4-5 years? 4.75 mill against cap for nothing as they won’t get anything back if they trade him

[@mrshizart]

Good one. I learned a lot.

[@OpticLOLJKS16]

The Isles didn't even get 2 second rounders as they traded one of them to the yotes to get rid of Andrew Ladd's contract. The Yotes drafted Moser who looks pretty decent.

[@gameswithoutalex7073]

"Sandpaper grit" all I picture is the goof turtling lmao.

[@sunk4069]

As a hawks fan unfortunately I have to agree bowman was the worst gm to ever exist he was givin a amazing core and tore it all down the debrincat trade had no point he said he was ok in Chicago so there was no point

[@austinprebushewski9805]

As a hawks fan. The Panarin trade was BRUTAL. No hawks fan I know tried to rectify how unbelievably stupid that trade was. Just saying

[@rolandkennedy80]

Not to mention weeger and huberdeau are on last year of contract and will be getting huge raises

[@koltongeorge4673]

Great video, totally agree

[@ernesteison7979]

Seth Jones is a nightmare. Would he be a top pairing D-man on any current playoff team?

[@ernesteison7979]

@mga2q7 The crazy people. Are the ones that think Jones is a top tier defensemen. Weak away from the puck, gives up the blue line, not physical enough and often out of position. He's a flashy skater that logs a lot of ice time and collects secondary assists, not much else

[@nqutilus709]

Look at his player card by JFresh. 2020-21 was a horrible year in all ways, he MASSIVELY improved in 2021-22, his defensive game was great, although the few slips he had were pretty bad ones. He’s elite on the power play. If Chicago retained half I’m sure nearly the entire league would be checking on his price, a top pairing D making >5M (half retention) would definitely get the Hawks a first round picks and high end prospect.

[@ernesteison7979]

@@nqutilus709Jones was not great defensively.Watch the games. He is not smart. For every assist he cost the Hawks a goal or a grade A scoring chance. No power play goals,

[@JaseD83]

IIRC the Jones contract starts this year, so it's 8 more years of him. I am fully on board with tearing the roster down and starting from the ground up, but the DeBrincat trade was not in anyway good. There should have been at least 2 first rounders to start those talks. Deadline trade would have yielded 2 1sts and a top prospect at a minimum.

[@JaseD83]

@- competing for a playoff spot, maybe 4 to 5 years. Capable of a deep run, probably 6 or 7.

[@brantcaswell4637]

Hey I mean Seth Jones is laughing on that nearly 10 Million dollars per year salary

[@dsc4178]

As a Leaf fan, there's there trade for Kessel, the trade for Kurvers, the trade to get rid of Sittler, trading for Raycroft, so many.

[@HighKage97]

The Kurvers trade is the worst

[@user-iz3gv5vo6b]

You over value Tkachuk. Treliving got away with highway robbery on Zito for this one. Huberdeau and Weegar are both on very value contracts. Huberdeau is already better than Tkachuk, or Gaudreau, plus Weegar is a legit 2nd pairing, if not top pairing D-man. Even if they cannot re-sign Weegar or Huberdeau, they'd get 2 x 1st rounders for Huberdeau at the deadline, and another 1st rounder for Weegar. That would make it a total of 4 x 1st rounders plus a good prospect for 1 top line winger.

[@andrewneilson8461]

As a Canucks guy, how much fun was it to roast the Hawks horrible asset management since the cups? As a Canucks guy myself, this was a pleasure to watch

[@leevipennanen5262]

New mic?

[@chazmxo]

It’s been hard being a black hawks fan watching my team just fall of a hill in 5 years

[@SirCanuckelhead]

Especially for the older gen fans, what a roller coaster club. They were one of the worst ran franchises in the nhl for a long time. Then i believe the father died and when the son took over changed the club. Pushed hard to change their public image and totally brought back the sunken ship. They are regarded as one of if not the best sport franchise turnaround of all time. Then they go on to become the first modern day dynasty (diff meaning then a real dynasty). Just to slowly let it all crumble away in terrible asset management then to kick the man when they were down the scandals came out. I hope you take a seat and a rest time to time. They have some history those blackhawks to say the least. Then for some bonus flair you got Hull the super role model.

[@la82417]

Bruhhhh u guys won 3 cups in 6 years going in to a rebuild is expected

[@lordrayden3045]

It’s the price you pay for winning.

[@Andrew-rv3zo]

These past couple of years was painful as a hawks fan. But now its good knowing we’ll draft bedard

[@thereisnowayyouareforreal5156]

Honestly after all the SA stuff came out, their blunders seem like sweet sweet karma for Chicago. I just wish Keith was still there so they'd be even easier to hate.

[@stosh21]

The Panarin trade was dumb. The Seth Jones deal was actually a good trade, Boqvist hasn't proven himself useful at all the little time he's been healthy in CBJ and Sillinger has been invisible after a good rookie season. The problem with Jones was the extension the Hawks handed him. The Debrincat deal was necessary considering the direction the franchise was going, and Korchinski is looking like he could be the real deal with the big numbers he's putting up in the WHL

[@moonobservergilles5730]

no one out there seems to ask themselves what is going on here? why is this happening? Salary Cap miss management the cause if thiis exodus of players? Is it human greed pushing these actions? Where is the NHL going in the years down the road?There use to be a time when as a student i could go see about 12 games a season at the old Montreal forum with a ticket standing right behind the red section for 9 $$$$$. Of course i drank nothing or did not eat .i did not want to loose my spot. today in 2022 forget that reality it has died and now it costs way too much to go see a pro hockey game. It is one thing to have a salary cap but what about a contract cap? those long term contracts is the element handcuffing the teams. Seems the only ones not benefiting of the revenues are the fans? yes the fans they have never paid as much to go see a hockey game in the NHL??? whats wrong with this system?

[@papafiendish6263]

This was basically a black hawks special

[@hunterking6739]

The DeBrincat trade was the worst trade I've seen ever since I've gotten into hockey. I hate seeing my hawks making these horrible trades.

[@MrManfly]

Ya that was a pretty bad trade!! 🙄

[@vegasrenie]

It’s nice to see that there are at least a couple of other FOs who are as clueless as the Vegas Golden Knights. It seems as if some of these people go out of their way to screw everything up, spend a couple of years “rebuilding,“ and then start all over again. They must do it to make sure they have a job. If I had done my job the way that they do theirs, I’d be on unemployment continuously.

[@thomasjames9678]

what about trading Kirby Dach away! Not only did they trade ALL of their prospects away and good picks but they also have Seth Jones at one of the WORST contracts in the NHL right now. Seth Jones is good, but at 9.5 million he needs to be a quarterback defensemen with good puck control and shutdown ability such as Makar, Josi, Hedman, Heiskanen etc. This has been a weird off-season, teams just blowing up their teams, trading away 40 goal scorers for "future considerations," two stars on their team just walking away from the team, a cup contender trading away their leading point getter. Lots of changes. Watch out for Ottawa though, getting Talbot and Debrincat was huge.

[@sawchucksaves1867]

The Worst Trade in Red Wings History: Adam Oates and Paul MacLean to St. Louis; Tony McKegney and Bernie Federko to Detroit.

[@ryandymond2195]

I think that the Panthers gave up to much for Tkachuk. Not to downplay Tkachuk but Huberdeau, a 100 point superstar, Weegar, a top defenceman with offensive upside, Cole Schwindt, a solid prospect and a first round pick to top it all off are worth so much more than 1 superstar player. The Flames absolutely fleeced the Panthers and hands down won the trade with Huberdeau and Weegar signing contract extensions. I think the Flames got better in the offseason. They added talent to their offense with Huberdeau and Kadri and added even more to an already stacked defence with Weegar. They also got a future piece of the team in Cole Schwindt. Overall the trade was great for Calgary and bad for Florida.

[@timmeinzer1348]

The Sabres made several steals over the years: Stephane Beauregard and Christian Ruuttu to Chicago for a young Hasek Mike Wilson to Florida for Rhett Warrener Chris Gratton to Arizona for Danny Briere Michal Grosek to Chicago for Doug Gilmour (half of his salary) and JP Dumont