The Duviri melees are almost TOO GOOD | Warframe

[@SkyEcho751]

I love how Sun and Moon is just like "Oh, ya, you can basically do the whole Start Chart and into SP with a FREE STARTER WEAPON", even the Hek requires you to at least get to MR4 before it starts carrying you through the star chart.

[@coreyano]

And you get free stance

[@Wooskii1]

What mastery do you need for the Kuva Hek? I know the Kuva weapons used to have a weird unenforced MR requirement and you could be quickly carried through a Lich Hunt, even in pubs.

[@comradecrusader6712]

@@Wooskii1 Theoretically you can get Kuva weapons as early as MR5, only needing completion of The War Within at that rank and a Railjack which only requires MR3 to do.

[@SkyEcho751]

@@Wooskii1 You need like MR 5~8 for the Kuva Hek, as there are prerequisites you need to pass to get to the Kuva Lich to spawn. You also need to finish like 2 thirds of the star chart.

[@riven4121]

@@Wooskii1 As long as you complete the War Within and have a Railjack you can get Kuva weapons so MR5. Although they technically require no mastery rank as when you kill the lich you are given the completed weapon in your foundry to claim, bypassing the MR requirement of the weapon.

[@DatFruitbat]

It's honestly criminal we didnt get the new war version of sun and moon with the elemental changing

[@uhye8585]

But we did get naturuk

[@sequence0121]

@@uhye8585 Lets be honest it's no where near as cool and more work was put into the sword

[@spauy]

​@@sequence0121Nataruk ist my favourite weapon in the game

[@spauy]

​@@sequence0121They should have added both weapons

[@timmbonator039]

I still hope it gets added at some point

[@zeldafreak8611]

For the Syam you mention at 5:23 that the floor not being smooth is the issue, however it is actually the low ceiling that causes the problem. The Syam is even specifically good on uneven terrain compared to weapons with punchthrough as the wave 'climbs' over terrain and will even hit enemies behind cover and walls very consistently. However when used in areas with a low ceiling this 'climbing' causes the wave to climb onto the ceiling and miss everything.

[@TheKengineer]

Thanks for the insight. I will be honest I did not extensively test that particular issue after encountering it. Mostly as there were more pressing things to test.

[@Fyrefrye]

My single least favorite thing about the Syam is that the heavy attack no longer forces slash. Even if only the "melee" swing of the heavy would slash and not the thrown beam, I feel that would instantly make the weapon way more competitive for my playstyle. With my nikana zaw I can heavy attack most enemies ONCE (even most eximus) and simply walk knowing they're already dead. A single heavy attack slash proc is plenty for the entire star chart and the majority of the Steel Path as well, though tougher eximus and bosses do need a lot more focus. The syam heavy feels like it's barely tickling the enemies in comparison and the entire time I was leveling the weapon I found myself actively trying to trigger the sliding-heavy which is unchanged and still forces slash.

[@grummdoesstuff2983]

@@Fyrefrye just so you know, for ANY weapon with a special heavy attack, you can access the regular one by heavy attacking while sliding.

[@635574]

Annoying in those tubes in the grineer asteroid. Imo they need to change the max height it can jump up above you. Also the catwalks there do the same

[@hyperdragon3321]

If you build the syam for purely heavy attack and use two crit damage (the gladdiator one) mods to get 5x crit damage you can easily oneshot most steel path enemies

[@darthplagueis13]

Quick note about the Edun is that it's got a unique, duviri-exclusive heavy attack that is basically a wide spin. It's really good as it has basically no wind-up animation to the point where in my opinion, it's both better than the awkward curving throw heavy that the weapon gets on the Star Chart as well as being more usable than the default polearm heavy attack.

[@DankJudgement]

It's also just better to use its heavy attack over the light attacks for Edun especially once you get the decree that gives attack speed on power strikes.

[@blackjovian9414]

another thing to note is that the Sampotes' heavy attack has a unique animation that sends enemies in front of you flying not exactly the best move ofc, but it's stull pretty good

[@JimMilton55]

The throw attack is so bad it's better to just use heavy slam attack even better with tennokai reach for 3m range and primed reach makes.... a 9 meter slam.

[@Nutochi]

As a 2x heavy two handed nikana enjoyer i endorse this message

[@CollateralKaos]

Truly, tbh if it weren't for the stance the azothane has pretty much the best stats in the game... new favorite melee 100%... the tenno space program and vastilok for the utility gives it a run for its money

[@cypher9406]

Long katana/swords are always the coolest.

[@kermitthefrog1176]

he forgot pennant

[@CollateralKaos]

@@kermitthefrog1176 azothane has better stats than the pennant by a significant margin

[@kermitthefrog1176]

@@CollateralKaos yeah its kinda bad

[@JackWolf1]

9:25 “The first of which you’re likely to get access to, is the MR7 Tatsu…” *manic laughter after looking at how many resources that thing takes to build* That weapon takes over 200 ores/gems to make, and you also have to get the BPs for a number of alloys and cut gems. It’s not worth the trouble.

[@lilpullout]

it takes 100 auroxium alloy and 100 hespazym alloy. what the fuck are you talking about? if you can't get these alloys from mining then you're literally just bitching and moaning.

[@SmoothTurtle840]

I mean, it’s pretty good, but now that Tatsu Prime exists, it’s just MR fodder.

[@dankolord]

And 100 of those gems require fricking oxium

[@pilot1730]

Tatsu prime is probably easier to get if you dont want to grind resources

[@skullhammer9899]

I think I was MR30 before I could spare tbe resources on a fodder weapon.

[@Flustershy]

Hey Kengi, you seemed to have missed a thing about Syam. Syam has a passive deflect effect when held (soft mode) against most projectiles in the game, and the deflected projectiles cause a impact like proc on the enemies which staggers them for 1-2 seconds. (It can deflect more absurd things like napalm & missiles and Nox Goo, though you will still take the explosion dmg)

[@TizonaAmanthia]

THE TENNO SPACE PROGRAM!!!! I've a buddy who had a kitgun, can't remember which if it was rattleguts or something else, but it had some crazy high impact stats, and "yeetotron 9000" was a good name for it. he and I had TONS of fun just....REMOVING grineer from the region. one of my favorite game mechanics is...playing "rocketman" with low level enemies and ragdolling them to the next planet over. and yes, we DID call it "tenno space program" also

[@ryuku2]

Tenno space program relevant, in Steel Path Curcuit,I got there Buzlok once and decided to use it as a status spreader after locking bullets onto the head, and not only did it work TO LEVEL CAP WITH DEFAULT MODS, if anything got ragdolled, the replay would just keep juggling the enemy as it lifts it up into the sky

[@TizonaAmanthia]

@@ryuku2 the buzlock, of all things! huh! I always new that gun had potential, I just never reaaaally went back to try it much.

[@ryuku2]

@@TizonaAmanthia definitely not good outside of The Spiral, or if you're bad with landing a headshot with the scope, but if you get the decrees that spread status and the ones that inflict status on head shots, aaaaall you need is the one decree that adds damage depending on the amount of enemies with statues within 20m, and the rate of fire with Replay headshots will make your meme build godly

[@Cross6694]

In Duviri, the Sampotes is basically easy mode for drifter. You can spam heavy attack and keep enemies off balance, ecpecially the Thrax. This is especially the case once you get the increased health per decree and heal over time from the endurance Intrinsics

[@CrisHermetica]

I feel like the Edun is the one that makes everything easy mode, sure it doesn't keep enemies off balance, but the heavy attack is so fast that you can even just spam heavy attack with that weapon and it will attack faster than other weapons, also has a really good range.

[@miramosa7768]

I would love the Azothane so much if the stance didn't come with this pause in the beginning that makes light attacks feel super sluggish. Two handed Nikana weapons are generally incredible, Pennant is a favourite of mine, and I dream of a better stance for them.

[@WinterAyars]

One of these days we'll get a better stance...

[@theunhingedgamer3762]

you can thank DE for the stance changes that were performed back in 2019 for the pause in the stance

[@miramosa7768]

@@WinterAyars We'll get it along with the Daikyu Prime, the Hydroid rework, and the restoration of the Zenistar.

[@riven4121]

@@theunhingedgamer3762 Is this the same stance change that dumpstered the heavy blade stances?

[@eyywannn8601]

⁠@@theunhingedgamer3762 It’s not like Wise Razor was any good anyways. That said, it is inferior to when it was introduced.

[@CollateralKaos]

"But then the sampotes has the ability to forcibly recruit enemies into the tenno space program." Again, I usually associate your voice with one of strict facts and the complete change here to saying that line had me unable to stop laughing, was wondering when you would say something like that, yet you got through the entire first description of it without doing so. 10/10 Also, the azothane has some of the best stats of every melee weapon in the game, CC and CD are awesome, highest range, high follow through, slash weighted (could be better) and decent damage and status chance. The stance hurts but it's still really strong, showing just how much perfect stats can combat the stance.

[@soccpuppet4638]

Incarnon mode of innodem and praedos but have higher range

[@CollateralKaos]

@Socc Puppet yeah, so does bo Prime with its +4 range and base 2.6, but incarnons are the best weapons in the game across all types, not to mention that the rest of the stats on them usually aren't as good as this things. It's got the new highest *listed base* Range, not the absolute highest in the game per se.

[@Pizzarugi]

I'm glad to hear that Tenet Livia isn't being rendered obsolete with Azothane. The greatest perk Tenet Livia has by comparison is that it freezes combo duration while holstered, meaning you'll never have to worry about losing your 12x combo as you travel between groups of enemies so long as you remember to always switch to another weapon. That may not seem like much to some people, but it means not having to rely on any mods or arcanes that increase combo duration, meaning you can just slam more DPS or utility into it.

[@shadowfalcon431]

Just a quick sidenote. The Edun is actually very great at hitting heads of enemies, applying radial Toxin from the bombastines envy decree and increase the health per sec. gain from the health intrinsic tree. I switched back to syam though cause the polearm stance just feels weird and i really like the charge attack.

[@Xsoskeleton]

my guy, Edun being close sidegrade to Guandao Prime with no mr lock and THREE starting madurai polarities (V) is pretty busted choice

[@walkelftexasranger]

It's actually better than Guandao Prime, since it has only 20 less base damage, but higher stats. It's a shame that Edun's heavy attack is complete ass tho...

[@Scoobert54]

I just started playing 2 weeks ago, and my friend recommended getting the azothane and it has absolutely carried my ass through the star chart so far. I love the play style, it’s been so fun and everyone I’ve met has been very helpful 😊

[@infractal5033]

Completely unrelated, but I was on a reddit post about a potential wizard warframe and recreated the avatar intro with you as the focus haha: *Ice, Toxin, Heat, Electricity.* Long ago, the four fandoms lived together in harmony. Then everything changed when the Ember Simps attacked. Only Lavos, master of all four elements could stop them, but when the world needed him most he vanished. A hundred years passed and my Excalibur friend and I discovered the new Lavos, a youtuber named TheKengineer. And although his presentation skills are great, he has a lot to learn before he's ready to indoctrinate anyone. But I believe TheKengineer can save the viewing community of this game.

[@hateful_data]

😐

[@infractal5033]

@@hateful_data It was intended 90% as a meme, a wizard frame was not expected I swear.

[@Mastersskull]

Sampotes giving me good old Sonicor vibes. Here's to hoping the yeet mechanic stays in the game this time.

[@Thaylien]

Fun point for Drifters in Duviri; the Edun's basic combo can headshot, triggering multiple Decrees that would normally be reserved for guns, such as the one that boosts damage for 3 seconds on headshot, or Bombastine's Malice when you get unlucky and haven't rolled the Venomous Touch Decree.

[@silonos9570]

Wasn't planning to get any of the duviri melees, then the circuit gave me a syam riven and now it's my new favorite melee. Crit chance and viral, spicyy

[@Crimson_Sun2486]

I bet the Syam makes VERY good use of the Life Strike mod (so long as you can hit enemies with the waves it makes)

[@hateful_data]

with how much damage everything deals in warframe, an unranked life strike can instantly heal most warframes with most weapons. but anyway, life strike is a waste of a mod slot. just use magus elevate or magus repair lol.

[@arsarma1808]

Syam is a very good weapon early on. While you might not have a complete combo or heavy based build, the blade beam with slice straight through columns of enemies in lower levels. I've been using it on a f2p playthrough and it's simply much better than using a different melee or a firearm.

[@TheMasterplanter]

The Syam (Drifter) power attack will also sometimes keep enemies open to a ground finisher even after they get up. This may be a bug. Also, the Syam (Warframe) can still execute a normal heavy attack if you slide into it. I built it for raw heat and heavy bonuses and it can destroy acolytes with a high dmg heat proc plus slash proc. Extremely flavorful weapon and my go-to for both Duviri and the star chart.

[@cptlonesong3211]

what you might not have covered @TheKengineer is that the Sun & Moon has the dual vertical chop at the end of one of its combos, meaning you can headshot mobs.

[@slingodeluxe]

Great video and viewpoint, I saw these weapons and brushed them off because I have their stronger counterparts. I never took into account the mastery rank 0 and how beneficial these are to newer players. Thanks for all the info!

[@ClassicalPan]

Sweet. As someone who primarily runs Orthos Prime as my melee, the Edun is what I'll be picking up.

[@Ultra6868]

Nikanas and Polearms are my favorite weapon types, and as far as they go, the Syam is my top favorite Nikana and the Edun is 2nd beaten only by Guandao Prime. As for the heavier weapons, the Tatsu remains my favorite cuz of the slide attack and the Sibear cuz of it's incarnon gen

[@xypherpl9506]

fun fact it was only recently (about a year or so ago) that they made the nikana prime mr12, it used to be the only prime to not have a mr requirement, I know this cause I used to farm sets and give them to new players

[@Mephistofeles]

You did what? Where were you when i started the game :'(

[@Beachn2407]

the syam is a rather niche weapon but a heavy attack built on mirage is really strong due to the high range andd the multiple blades that go through the enemies

[@caywo_]

Remember that there is a decree which boosts your damage to enemies affected by cold status effect, the azothane obliterates enemies if you get said decree

[@derekspringer6448]

There's also literally a decree that affects every single nearby enemy with cold automatically, as an aura.... I haven't even considered needing a different drifter weapon when my Sirocco literally one shots everything, utterly decimates in Duviri... at about decree number 5-10... Depends of course what you roll, but its incredibly hard to NOT steamroll with all them decrees.

[@scarfbit7354]

that cape makes your drifter look like batman.

[@lawislaw2585]

Great video I’ve been thinking about the nikanas from duviri

[@IRMentat]

I unlocked the spear. It’s all I need from the drifter. Will unlock the rest once I finish adding incarnon mods to my weapons. Also nice that I seem to be the only person using it.

[@chaincat33]

I would argue that the special effects the weapons have means some of these weapons actually do stay relevant, even compared to prime weapons

[@ForgieDusker]

what i found most interesting about the Azothane- the only weapon i bothered picking up so far because clamps are used for incarnons and stuff from Acrithis, and i don't want to burn myself out- is that it's special slam will proc the Tek mod set, pulling enemies closer when used inside the kavat circle, yet doesn't proc Hydroid's passive, like other combo-based non-aerial slams do.

[@noahedenborg4221]

Weird

[@TRUEMIXEDBLOOD]

I've noticed the Sun and Moon's heavy slam will flat out ragdoll enemies instead of lifting them into the air like other heavy slam attacks I've used (sounds like the Sampotes) . Not sure if this is still true after the most recent update. It's hilarious tho.

[@Kyushii__]

Hi, at 5:00 I'd like to know which mods to use to inflict the same damage? Currently I have a build that is based on status effects and attack speed and damage depending on the status inflicted. How does it manage to do only heavy attacks and inflict so much damage?

[@fluorideinthechat7606]

Crit mods like True Steel/Sacrificial Steel have double crit chance on Heavy attacks, Crit Damage mods like Organ Shatter (or Amalgam Organ Shatter for decreased wind up speed at the cost of some crit damage), Gladiator Might (Crit Damage buff, gotten from Cetus bounties), Killing Blow (boosts Heavy Attack damage and wind up speed), Quickening (extra combo gain and attack speed boost), Pressure Point for base damage increase (nab the prime version from Baro when possible or use Sacrificial Pressure instead if able).

[@kalev_knight]

I have a feeling in the star chart the duviri melees get a version enemy moves that a shot can interrupt

[@rowankeltizar5961]

Didnt realize these weqpons had a special attack until this video, thanks!

[@tyronus4]

Still crazy to me that a lot of the community disregarded these weapons intially, ignoring the fact that being 2nd best in class with no MR requirment is kind of insane. Cinta at least tries to be fair by having a non-zero MR requirment.

[@deathmetalalchemist5861]

many people have the other stronger options is likely the reason, or newer players wouldn't immediately recognize their strength as they won't be able to craft them for a bit and the early star chart is easy with anything

[@tyronus4]

I can agree with having the stronger options (even though people would absolutly scream power creep if they were better). As for crafting, these blueprints only require Duviri resources, which is much easier then most other open world which need extra blueprints for resources or bait for fish parts, or normal weapons that might require planet specific resources. Should be easier as long as you stick with Duviri a bit longer than the quest.

[@SmoothTurtle840]

Funniest thing is that the Cinta is easily the worst Duviri weapon, it’s just a Nataruk but worse. Not to mention that it’s alt-fire is extraordinarily underwhelming.

[@kenny3179]

It's 50 pathos clamp each and we hit alot of great incarnons we want to see and melee in general Is nothing to write home about, these are cool with their gimmicks though.

[@eyywannn8601]

Eh, for an endgame player, they’re just not a replacement to existing gear so I get it.

[@aranox]

i've framed duviri so much at this point and didnt even know these weapons had special attacks like that always just used the normal and heavy attacks

[@hypersonicblabla]

thanks for the video. this is very good advice for new players

[@NoForksGiven]

Azothane heavy attacks are no slouch either and are way easier to land than the light attacks

[@noahedenborg4221]

That isn't the weapon then

[@theonlyintruder]

"The Tenno Space Programme" That gave me a chuckle

[@Dramarror]

we're a year later and the syam can reach damage cap with it's heavy attack wave... hehehe

[@RDNS3TV]

I’ve hit an 884mill with it on voruna

[@RDNS3TV]

I’m pretty sure tho with CO it would

[@xermasboo5401]

Technically the Sampotes is the strongest out the bunch until hitting level 300 or higher enemies. Can have several modes that enhance its unique effect being seismic wave and Nira's Anguish. Having seismic wave makes the slam damage higher, and then modding it for crit. That is for Warframes. Drifter it would be the Argos and Veil.

[@jh9794]

If solo for just getting clamps I'd say the regular path I'd faster for clamps. But steel path is actually really fun if you want to enjoy the boss.

[@FranklinKryosh]

Great video. Thanks a lot for the portuguese subtitles

[@Cyril86]

Considering Kullervo being based on a finnish mythological character, I'd assume Sampotes' name is at least partly based on the Sampo from finnish myths. But, who knows.

[@dmccosta6069]

i just got a riven for the sun and moon blades so yea kinda farming the materials to build it (edit: also looking foward to recruit my enemies to tenno space program with the sampotes)

[@scorpionvenom27]

Thoughts on Argo & Vel?

[@Epicmonk117]

3:52 I had no idea the Sampotes had a fucking golf swing for its riposte animation

[@B2LGizmo]

Syam is hands down the best nikana putting it in kullervo is just a monster dmg

[@fameparadise5083]

On the warframe meta site all the duviri weapons are in the S tier category in melee weapons.

[@neji-hyuga-]

Syam is my fav. Using cinta and syam with mirage is just devastating

[@SaiKisaragi]

I love the Sampotes' devious ass wind-up so much as well as the space program function of it. I just put all of the attack speed so that it can just YEET enemies into the void

[@noahedenborg4221]

Iirc attack speed doesn't do anything to slam attacking

[@decepticonsoundwave297]

I've noticed that the Syam's heavy wave is pretty unpredictable, and I've noticed that it even goes through walls. All in all, I'd say its pretty valuable, even without a combo build

[@noahedenborg4221]

Well it climbs over walls in tunnels it's horrible the wave just goes above you

[@sirmadmooman9133]

I wish the Edun used the fishing spear animation and had less arc. The throw seems to be a bit off with the current throw.

[@nightmarishvisions8539]

If we are indeed going for a greek pronunciation for the azothane, it wouldn't be "Azo-Thanie", it would more likely be "Azoth-anie", so a similar syllable structure to "persephone".

[@lucathelucario5014]

This needs to be updated there's a sixth weapon now

[@oregu2196]

i`d recomended to try build Syam on heavy attack, and use mirage. With mirage it becomes a very very unice and high damage weapon. Especially it hits enemy through walls and dors. I measured distance about 200 m, if there no "bad floor". It`s my favorite combinations for now.

[@GhostOnTheHalfShell]

Has only noticed hate falling to parry when it’s solo equipped? that wigged me out a bit

[@singletona082]

i love that hte tenno space program lives on.

[@picklerick2861]

I'm a relatively new player (around 3-4 weeks), I acquired Sampotes by mr4 (about a week into playing) and it has carried me ever since. I'm now mr8 doing mr20-30 activities and confusing so many teammates as I'm able to insta-kill stuff even they can't, and anything I don't kill is no longer on the same planet. It's safe to say it's a mildly good melee weapon.

[@SmoothTurtle840]

How the heck did you reach MR 8 in less than a month?

[@picklerick2861]

@@SmoothTurtle840 as I said, Sampotes is a good hammer. That and the fact that I'm a destiny player, I basically live for fast and efficient grinding.

[@SmoothTurtle840]

@@picklerick2861 Having a good weapon doesn’t mean you reach high MR quickly, in fact, it tends to mean the opposite. MR goes up quickly if you’re using a variety of weapons, so if you’re only using the same melee, it’s gonna take longer to reach higher ranks. But hey, I bet the Warframe grind is a nice breath of fresh air compared to bounty simulator, eh?

[@picklerick2861]

@@SmoothTurtle840 Tbh I don't really farm out for affinity, I just get it passively without using many new items. Most of my affinity comes from Railjack Intrinsics since those give so much affinity for no apparent reason. Sampotes has allowed me to gain access to things like my own Railjack, level 80+ missions, requiem relics, riven mods and tomorrow even steel path (once my necramech is built and I complete the new war the angle quest), at a mr where I have no right to be there. Simply because it does way too much damage. And yes it is sooooo much better then bounty farming

[@oriondezagrats4228]

I can confirm that the Sun & Moon does INDEED have a gimmick! The Heavy Ground Slam is primarily where this gimmick lay. First off, I must inform you of most wonderful news! The Sun & Moon's Heavy Ground Slam *does not inflict Lifted.* I repeat: The heavy ground slam _does not inflict Lifted._ Second, the heavy ground slam launches -- not lifts, launches -- cc-vulnerable enemies a somewhat generous distance away, good for clearing chaff from your immediate area or getting space. It may even occasionally result in an actual blast status effect. Also it has a lovely thunderclap sound to go with it, reverberating into the distance. Also, while not quite a gimmick of the particular weapon but perhaps of the class, ground finishers are guaranteed to force two slash procs -- this is not related to its stance mod; it will ALWAYS force this on a successful ground finisher.

[@noahedenborg4221]

I'd like to note stance mods only change the e forward e block e and forward block e combos everything else is the same iirc

[@BlackWACat]

Sampotes sending enemies all the way to Lua is honestly the best reason to get it first

[@visvge4934]

Edun is bugged to not apply combo to the projectile at range, when that's fixed it'll be alright

[@scarfbit7354]

I can almost guarantee you I save one of my steel path circuit runs, I kept them off the pod so the damage they did to it was drastically lower

[@TizonaAmanthia]

what are your general thoughts, Kengineer, and others on the Duviri's new weapons, and the whole incarnon adapators? I mean, power creep is a thing, but...don't you feel this update made it more of a power SLAM? is the game spiraling into just... a big numbers generator?

[@maskettaman1488]

incarnons are pretty mediocre all around. Didn't really add new power and are annoying to have to keep charging in missions. Would've rathered them just buff the trash weapons directly than add a band-aid buff them in the form of another grind. Melees are melees and are sort of irrelevant from the start because DE hates melee now

[@nickl3138]

@@maskettaman1488 In the defense of generating charge to use the incarnon form, that is kinda exaggerating it to say it's annoying given how fast they charge. A few headshots here, a couple of melee swipes there, and they're fully charged. You can maintain incarnon form for 99% of a mission.

[@thedboi1465]

@@maskettaman1488 so you want braindead big numbers and no new content?

[@maskettaman1488]

@@nickl3138 why would I bother with that when I can just grab a kuva zarr and have a better weapon without any downside? That's my point. The incarnons come with the thorn of having to charge them and the reward is that they get to be mediocre for a bit.

[@villepore7013]

​@@maskettaman1488 The idea behind the adapters is to make older weapons, created to deal with enemies equal to our current mid game, useful in late game. Simply buffing the guns that got adapters would be much worse when it comes to power creep, as those buffs would also apply to the newer players using these weapons at levels they were designed around. With the adapters, these weapons can stay as early game weapons for the newer players, but can then be upgraded to be viable, and in some cases meta for late game.

[@arbit4468]

In duviri, the Edun seems to massively outdamage Sun and Moon, plus it has way longer range. It's a huge upgrade. I dunno if that's me not properly using Sun and Moon or what.

[@eothorn3217]

What build do you recommend for the Edun?

[@deathmetalalchemist5861]

same as any melee

[@noahedenborg4221]

The usual duh

[@Litterbugtaylor]

Sun and moon always felt really heavy hitting for a nikana, i love it

[@StrikerK5]

i mean the sun and moon is alright ig not that good of a melee weapon

[@Henrex2000]

Mountain's Edge is now my favorite melee stance

[@635574]

The Sampotes also has bonus 4 combo on enemies Hit by the Normal slam attack outside duviri(no such attacks in there) sadly there is no use to scaling the heavy from combo meter

[@noahedenborg4221]

i feel like thats wrong

[@635574]

@@noahedenborg4221 sampotes is what I mean. Corrected

[@noahedenborg4221]

​@@635574not that I mean the combo thing

[@Thatmanudontknow]

The sampotes was sadly switched with Argo & Vel 😢

[@DJFlare84]

Sampotes is slow, yes, but the heavy attack absolutely BULLIES Dax enemies with constant knockdowns and staggers.

[@ExpensiveYNo]

I like to use syam on kullervo, red crit damage waves make dealing with enemies a bit too easy

[@martymartin5302]

I am hoping you could answer this question here, especially since I think many people may want this response as well. The last evolution quest for the Zaramin incarnon weapons is to have an incarnon weapon equipped in the 3 weapon slots. I had a laetum pistol requiring this, so I thought I would use two weapons I put diviri incarnon adaptors on to, since this makes those weapons have an incarnon mode. However, I didn’t get the benefit of the evolution and I am not sure why. Any chance you know why?

[@fufiisafufi]

I'm guessing you need incarnon weapons from Cavalero (zariman vendor) only. They were introduced into the game much earlier and I guess the list of weapon compatible for these evolution quest was hardcoded with them in mind and was not revisited for Duviri release.

[@sovereign5091]

i had the same problem, it is currently bugged and will be fixed in the crimes of kuvelero update

[@noahedenborg4221]

I think it's because they arnt zariman incarnon

[@sovereign5091]

@@noahedenborg4221 it says nothing about it having to be from zariman + DE confirmed it was a. Bug

[@Henrex2000]

​@@sovereign5091 I'm surprised this oversight went unnoticed for more than a month

[@RDNS3TV]

How is the Edun heavy attack could it do big numbers?

[@bad_medicine_man]

i have watched many of ur vid across diff topic. u r a nerd god bro i hope u lift

[@abominablesnowman64]

good good, I want them to be good. I hate many people I seen talking complain about new weapons being op. The work and time you put into getting some shit they should be overpowered.

[@punchfromthefuture]

And what about Argo & Vel?

[@noahedenborg4221]

best sword and shield

[@jordanmcminn998]

The sun and moon is an amazing weapon that is comparable to dual keres prime stat wise. The stance has very high multipliers too mostly on neutral combo. No idea why people think it's not great

[@noahedenborg4221]

Well 1 the animation 2 iirc no force procs

[@jordanmcminn998]

@@noahedenborg4221 the standing combo is fast enough and it hits multiple times so you still get lots of slash. Dual keres prime is the same with crossing snakes. However crossing snakes has 1 forced slash

[@noahedenborg4221]

@@jordanmcminn998 yeah but thats the weapons weighting it self

[@jordanmcminn998]

@@noahedenborg4221 which is once again the same as the dual keres prime (2% lower slash weight to be specific). It's quite a bit better then what people think. Is it new meta? No of course not but it's extremely good, not mid.

[@modelgecko35]

My personal favorite is the Argo and vel mace and shield weapon

[@vinyldash3633]

pssssst, ivara's 2 works on edun AND syam's heavy attack... have fun!

[@noahedenborg4221]

Yeah and apparently edun navigated builds combo if i remeber my testing

[@starstreakalex7372]

Still waiting for Teshin's elemental sun & moon from new war

[@dontassociate]

They really need to fix the terrain limitations on so many alt attacks it kills certain items so hard also the sampotes needs damage scaling im tired of alt attacks being utility only when I choose a weapon I like ex furax wraith incarnon sibear incarnon both make elemental zones that lift and do nothing but give forced element procs and the lift ends instantly on furax wraith bc the heat counts as hitting a lifted enemy

[@quintessenceoflife7870]

Have they allowed the Edun's throw heavy attack to actually scale or is it still hot garbage and only good it's normal melee?

[@mrshodos]

I believe they did, but it’s still slow, weird to aim and low range explosion without anything cool like syam.

[@Domaik_]

with the right decrees ( only 2 are enough) for the gun you can trivialize Duviri enemies even in steel path. one shot groups of enemies easy.

[@VictorHGT]

Syam carried me from mr 4 till end of steel path, fav nikana

[@noahedenborg4221]

i think its pronouced azo fane and sam poe tess actually syam heavy attack projectile has infinate travel ut it climbs over stuff thats why some tilesets it seems to disapear

[@godalien3223]

A zo thane ( e makes the vowel say its name) is how i pronounce it. Idk it just seems like how its pronounced

[@vladimirsmith1907]

Its unfortunate nobody talks about the Argo & Vel sword snd shield from Duviri. Ive not seen a singke oerson even grab it for mastery unless they were alrewdy at legendary 1 or 2 already. Despite the heavy attack maybe not being the best. Its currently, at least as far as im aware, the stringest sword and shield considering its amazing crit and status, combined with 80 percent slash weighting, with rrakky higj base damage to boot. Aside from m a y b e the Silva and Aegis with a niche setup, the Argo & Vel is the best. Mind you, I dont know everything, theres likely a synergy, or some sort of gimick or mechanic with another semword and shield that makes it better than the Argo. So, if there is something you are aware of. Feel free to to let me know.

[@noahedenborg4221]

mf it was released after this video

[@Sioolol]

Taking Sun and Moon damaging waves on heavy attack for warframes is one of the things I'll never understand the reasoning for. Like... why? This double nikanas are so cool, why not give them the same two waves? Weird.

[@oconnor42011]

Why no Argo and vel no one has it to compare it to the others I came back recently so I feel like I'm missing something

[@TheKengineer]

The Argo & Vel was released much later

[@P0P218]

what about the argo&vel?

[@skull19hm]

how does azothane compare with tatsu prime? I haven't built either yet

[@noahedenborg4221]

They are fine

[@yeoldpubman]

Fairly close matchup but Azothane still wins. Tatsu Prime's main disadvantage is that its damage output is way less reliable, due to its lower slash weighting and the fact that it needs its extra radiation proc for CO to keep up.

[@Matt_the_ratt8349]

I've personally been pronouncing it like azo-theen but not too much vocal emphasis on the e

[@vergil9981]

Honestly if syam heavy attack forced bleed i might had use it ... But my nikana prime just blows it out the water in a combo build

[@noahedenborg4221]

Well syam still has its normal heavy attack by sliding

[@dragonamaranthine3942]

What about argo & Veil?

[@ItsameArtic]

Tbh, I might get the Sampotes just because funny YEET

[@DeFeat01]

A bit disappointed with the Sampotes. I really, really hoped that they would keep the same unique Drifter heavy bonks for the Warframes tho. Those heavy slam bonks feel great and look satisfying... if only Warframes can also have them...

[@SoulbreakerNB]

Is Azothane better than Tatsu Prime?