"Itoi didn't actually see a rape scene" oh thats fine then "all he saw was a woman being strangled to death and then cut up into pieces" oh
@gay4sswhovian3 жыл бұрын
And interpreted it as a rape that's the whole point actually
@gdskulll48753 жыл бұрын
@@gay4sswhovian a
@starkid42993 жыл бұрын
@@gay4sswhovian Yeah
@holyspectator38303 жыл бұрын
I mean...it is called the policeman and the dismembered body after all
@gravityuser073 жыл бұрын
Not sure if that is better or worse...
@NdieCity3 жыл бұрын
"This is a theory suggesting that Ness, Paula, Jeff, and Poo are all little kids" Man, that would be something if it were true
@JonahZgo3 жыл бұрын
their ages differ between sources but they're all in the 12-14 range
@quarreneverett47673 жыл бұрын
hold on there we are pushing boundaries with this mystery
@Sickcrazyneet3 жыл бұрын
Wild if true
@maskofthedragon3 жыл бұрын
Big, if true!
@wistfulanthophila93173 жыл бұрын
they're rats, aren't they?
@minerturtle453 жыл бұрын
"it's supposed to be a, y'know." "ᵖᵘˢˢʸᵎ" that deserves the like by itself
@GHE_053 жыл бұрын
I laughed so hard at that part for some reason lmao
@Stage_Puppet3 жыл бұрын
The way its said is just hilarious
@ericvandenavond87483 жыл бұрын
Where is this in the video? I'm too lazy to check all 58 minutes.
@Stage_Puppet3 жыл бұрын
@@ericvandenavond8748 its at 2:46
@ericvandenavond87483 жыл бұрын
@@Stage_Puppet thanks :)
@Aidan_B_Young2 жыл бұрын
Regarding Nintendo never taking down the Mother 3 fan translation, it probably has something to do with the fact that Shigesato Itoi still has partial ownership of the series, and he generally doesn’t seem to mind unofficial projects.
@flintfrommother3gaming2 жыл бұрын
Also it's an patch that PROBABLY doesn't include any code fron the game so that is something.
@thomasvettikad2 жыл бұрын
yea he said he would rather play mother 4 rather than make it
@poweroffriendship2.02 жыл бұрын
@@thomasvettikad You mean Oddity?
@michaelroot682 Жыл бұрын
Lol I'll believe Oddity is real when I play it. Winter 2014
@quadpad_music Жыл бұрын
Itoi must be protected at all costs
@Cacemomarerona3 жыл бұрын
“This is a subtle reference to how Earthbound is a work of fiction” made me chuckle
@screm14713 жыл бұрын
Instant like
@vincentjonesvr3 жыл бұрын
I actually scrolled down specifically to mention this.
@saifuusuri3 жыл бұрын
@@atomyiik Yeah you're right about that! *laughs* *crys*
@Cristopheruz3 жыл бұрын
@@screm1471 r
@FunnyFany3 жыл бұрын
r slash ShittyGameDetails
@adyn88113 жыл бұрын
"It's so sad Apple Kid died of ligma." "Who the hell is Apple Kid?" "Ligma balls."
@infinityheart_tm92703 жыл бұрын
Is that pfp who I think it is or is this extremely awkward
@adyn88113 жыл бұрын
@@infinityheart_tm9270 Yeah, it is
@ohitsstar12413 жыл бұрын
Homestuck
@strangent404a73 жыл бұрын
*que psi starstorm*
@stupiderandunnecessarier3 жыл бұрын
@@ohitsstar1241 homieschmuck
@GeneralDisarray6663 жыл бұрын
"Why is America never mentioned at all in Earthbound?" BRUH EAGLELAND cmon now.
@fatandsassy15103 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU
@LilacMonarch3 жыл бұрын
I thought this one was kinda obvious lol
@whichcache25173 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but Mother 1 refers to its setting as "rural America", which is where the confusion comes in. If both games take place in the same universe, then is Eagleland just a nickname (or renaming) of America, or are there two America-themed continents in the Mother series for some reason?
@OriginalGameteer3 жыл бұрын
@@whichcache2517 its probably just a retcon or something Similar to how older pokedex entries referred to real world countries, but was stopped later on
@aguynamedlynx63973 жыл бұрын
@@OriginalGameteer Yeah, I guess it can be easily be retconed to “Rural Eagleland”
@pikaforce643 жыл бұрын
im with you on hating "X is a dream/X is in a coma" theories. theyre so lazy and it just feels like the people making them couldnt be bothered to think of something plausible
@smt64productions403 жыл бұрын
Same boat with ya
@Ness_Dreemurr3 жыл бұрын
Or "x character is dead"
@kiirolozanogarcia30033 жыл бұрын
I fucking hate those types of theories
@thatoneguywiththevoice3283 жыл бұрын
I hate them But even if most of them suck, I kinda like some of the well written ones are fun but I refuse to believe in any of them
@bakrobertjohnston48893 жыл бұрын
I hate the coma ones like “HaHA What IF tHiS woRk oF fiCtioN Is FiCtiOn”
@Mr__Jack3 жыл бұрын
The whole America vs. Eagleland thing is the result of a retcon. Eagleland is the name of an America-esque country in the MOTHER universe. It was actually called America in MOTHER, but later got retconned to Eagleland for MOTHER 2. It’s sorta like how Jeff’s country (I think it’s called Foggyland) is pretty much supposed to be the UK except not the UK.
@trolledfrog6782 жыл бұрын
Why does his name remind me of the ballid of gay tony
@elbebetoen4kfullhd1472 жыл бұрын
So i found a thing that explains this: Eagleland - America Foggyland - UK (Other one was antartic, up to you) Scaraba and Dalam - Asia (Middle asia for Scaraba) This are the ones i found
@elbebetoen4kfullhd1472 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Eagleland is America cuz theres a secret in the cafe in Fourside, here's a video that explain it kzbin.info/www/bejne/oaTKomefqZdsm80
@DogDogGodFog2 жыл бұрын
@@elbebetoen4kfullhd147 Scaraba sounds Egyptian and Dalam sounds Indian...
@elbebetoen4kfullhd1472 жыл бұрын
@@DogDogGodFog ik. Thats why i said middle asia
@ladsworld3 жыл бұрын
An Iceberg video with decent narration that doesn't assume the audience has the intelligence of a 4 year old? Now this is one for the ages right here. Amazingly well researched too. Just top shelf shit all around.
@merkquavious23 жыл бұрын
yes
@that1robloxplayer113 жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@codymitchell30173 жыл бұрын
Not really.
@LordZemosa3 жыл бұрын
Can you give an example of "assuming the audience aren't that smart" please? I don't think I've noticed anything like that in most Iceburg videos I've watched
@astralchimera3 жыл бұрын
@@LordZemosa probably over explaining things (especially about obvious things) is a good example of what they mean
@PkmariO643 жыл бұрын
The funny thing is that being the inspiration for Giygas is pretty much the only reason that one movie is even remembered.
@PkmariO643 жыл бұрын
@Bruh - Well half of the information on the Wikipedia page is dedicated to it being the inspiration for Giygas, yet nobody could be bothered to give a plot synopses, and other details (release date, genre, actors, etc.) are only briefly touched upon. Even disregarding that, the film is usually only brought up when talking about influences on EarthBound.
@ExtremeWreck3 жыл бұрын
Even funnier is that before even Mother came out, there was a movie called Earthbound.
@ExtremeWreck3 жыл бұрын
@Bruh IDK if you think I'm making that up, if you already knew that, or you're actually laughing.
@JonahZgo3 жыл бұрын
@@PkmariO64 always kinda weird seeing something only be remembered for inspiring another thing. i feel like theres a word for it tho
@Willty643 жыл бұрын
I’ve always wanted to watch it at some point, or at least the iconic scene.
@BeatRiceIsHere3 жыл бұрын
“This is a subtle reference to how Earthbound is a work of fiction” I don’t know man, that’s pretty out there
@JonahZgo3 жыл бұрын
its true. next time you play the game, look at it a little closer, you might notice it
@penskii_yt3 жыл бұрын
You mean it’s not real? Cmon man really
@xale_44563 жыл бұрын
@@JonahZgo bro I literally saw it happen outside my window wdym
@theresawambach7733 жыл бұрын
Big if true
@GorillaFan_322 жыл бұрын
I think that comment references how that quote is funny, very funny comment. Thank you, really cool.
@CaioXG0023 жыл бұрын
Dang, "Giegue is Ninten's father" was hilarious.
@elosolosyou3 жыл бұрын
Very
@user-ym9fq1ko3s3 жыл бұрын
George and Mary are Ninten's grand-parents They don't have any other child, except "adopted" Giegue :) (yeah, i know about Ninten's dad in the ending, but...)
@expendableround61863 жыл бұрын
*W H A T ?*
@matthewroyer15613 жыл бұрын
That sounds rather plausible and whatever. I like giegue’s alien species
@Ranixo2862 жыл бұрын
It would make sense if grandfather...George and Maria are his great grandparents so It could technically be possible that he spent time with an earth woman...and it's why Ness has inherent PSI making him part Alien in his lineage, driving Geige insane that he didn't know he had a child and that child's child would defeat him.
@UliZombie043 жыл бұрын
For some reason Itoi was the first person ever to come up with the idea for a JRPG to take place in a modern setting, you know, cars, telephones, baseball, trashcans and hamburgers... Up until mother 1 we only had Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy and many other JRPG's taking its setting in a medieval world with dragons, castles and swords. I remember hearing that Itoi was playing Dragon Quest and wondering "How come these games only take place in medieval towns and not in a modern city?" He's literally the grandad of this kind of rpg's
@crystalheart66203 жыл бұрын
Actually im pretty sure the first megami tensei game released before mother and that's also a modern day jrpg
@ixaac45310 ай бұрын
also phantasy star existed too which took place in a scifi setting
@iwannaseehowlongyoucanmakethis5 ай бұрын
@@crystalheart6620 although, the first megaten game takes place almost entirely in the demon world. So while the main characters are modern humans (they use computers after all) it doesnt really feel modern.
@justaspectator97623 жыл бұрын
"as it turns out that movie didn't even have a rape scene" *oh thank god* "What he actually saw was a women being strangled to death and then having her body being cut into pieces by her killer" *oh god that's even worse*
@nitronikolai3 жыл бұрын
What did you think the dismembered beauty part meant?
@Nikku42113 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I'd rather be strangled to death and then having my body being cut into pieces by my killer than be raped. I would not be able to stand the trauma that follows.
@justaspectator97623 жыл бұрын
@@Nikku4211 honestly. That's understandable.
@rajeshofficial16573 жыл бұрын
JUST A SPECTATOR I JUST SAW YOU IN THE COMMENTS OF A GEOMETRY DASH VIDEO WHAT
@justaspectator97623 жыл бұрын
@@rajeshofficial1657 wow how crazy. I have an earthbound pfp. and I watch earthbound videos. but I also happen to like something else. what a shock
@thestickopia46193 жыл бұрын
I really hope iceberg images never die. Their fantastic and a great way to learn something new about some of your favorite games
@somedragonbastard3 жыл бұрын
I love listening to icebergs on stuff I don't even have interest in. I just get to absorb trivia about stuff in a clear and simple format
@Kurisu5453 жыл бұрын
I coudn't agree more!
@RCK_Gaming420693 жыл бұрын
Not just games, but pretty much anything! Bound to think about it, there might be an iceberg about me out there!
@squidluma92592 ай бұрын
@@RCK_Gaming42069ikr? As a light writer, my favorite thing to do is make iceberg charts on the lore of what I write, especially since everything I write orbits around one canon.
@ProtoMario3 жыл бұрын
Love me some Earthbound
@Solaire-official3 жыл бұрын
who doesnt
@oatboi3 жыл бұрын
I've always been a bit lukewarm
@BrandenFudgey3 жыл бұрын
BUT PROTOOOOOOOOOO!
@KingTKalimari3 жыл бұрын
B...but .. but proto!!!
@jefflanong83613 жыл бұрын
No ones saying Mario except proto so I'm doing it.....BUT MARIOOOO
3 жыл бұрын
"Oddity, coming out in the near future" Oh god, can't wait for winter 2014! :D
@cashbanooca10712 жыл бұрын
"I got stuck in this stupid-ass trap. I was just thinking about cuttin' off my leg." Okay, I _might_ have to get the fan-translation of Mother 3.
@AdianPronouncedAiden3 жыл бұрын
"ness is" theories: exist me: ness is ness
@JonahZgo3 жыл бұрын
no way
@disarisumbrus44923 жыл бұрын
nonsense
@tatltails39233 жыл бұрын
insert that Incredibles 2 meme here
@gay4sswhovian3 жыл бұрын
Ness is Tyler, Hat, Alec, Roger and Lane
@herospeed92703 жыл бұрын
me: ness is sans
@johtojedi53283 жыл бұрын
Could it be that Shigesato Itoi is actually an all-knowing being and was aware that aliens existed in the world ages ago? Ancient astronaut theorists say yes.
@JonahZgo3 жыл бұрын
i wouldn't doubt it
@MegasMan103 жыл бұрын
"Takeshi's challenge nearly cancelled mother 1" This is confirmed in an blog post from '08 by itoi where he talked about his first pitch of mother 1 to Shigeru Miyamoto. Its talked about in DYKG's earthbound video at 1:30
@ohitsstar12413 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, that was it. Thanks for reminding me
@MaxLebled3 жыл бұрын
I believe I've also heard something similar from the "NES Works" series by Jeremy Parish
@plaguekidd69022 жыл бұрын
I came up with a Mother 3 theory . The Nowhere Islands are a Magicant: The Nowhere Islands are a form of Magicant, formed from the dream of the dark dragon. This stems from some coinciding evidence, mostly around the the Magypsies. The Magypsies are similar to the residence of Queen Mary's Magicant. They live in pink, shell like houses, have a connection to PSI and magic, and disappear as the Dark Dragon wakes up. It could also explain how the island was hidden for so long, and why everyone survives in the end, since they aren't native to the island. An an interesting detail is that both Magicants from the previous games have something to do with music and melodies, with the names of the Magypsies being references to musical modes in music theory. There is the obvious hole of the Magypises placing the 7 Needles, but it could be that the Dark Dragon created them to place and guard the needles. This also insinuates that the Dark Dragon is associated with PSI, which in lore is a power innate only to the Starmen, but the Dark Dragon is already a vague creature in it of itself. I acknowledge is one of those theories that relies on coincidental evidence, so feel free to poke holes in my theory.
@psychic_digit Жыл бұрын
This seems fairly plausible as a theory actually. There are some details that might dispute with it, but overall it’s interesting
@tezcanaslan28773 жыл бұрын
This series is possibly the only series where the iceberg is actually fitting
@MegasMan103 жыл бұрын
"Mother 3 fantranslation is still up becasue nintendo will never release a translation" I like to think its because in order to DCMA anything Mother related, they have to acknowledge they own it. Though more likely its because Itoi owns half and he's stopping them
@Mr__Jack3 жыл бұрын
The fan translation issue is really, really strange. The Itoi stopping them theory makes sense until you stop and realize Nintendo has absolutely no problem taking down Pokémon fangames when they only own a third of The Pokémon Company. Nintendo also knows about the fan translation. There's no way they don't and apparently higher ups at Nintendo have commended it's quality. I personally do sub to the whole "Nintendo turns a blind eye because everybody can be happy that way" theory. They don't have to put any effort into the game (even though it would easily become an eShop best-seller if they decided to translate it like EarthBound did) and they don't have to censor it and we the fans get to enjoy the game uncensored in English. If Nintendo ever does release it, it'll inevitably be censored and then you'd have a split between whether the translation patch or the official version are superior. The fan-translation we have is genuinely a perfect game just the way it is. To most people, that is MOTHER 3 and changing even a little bit of it would stray from what MOTHER 3 is. Another reason why they might be "fine" with it existing is because it exists in a way that's "true" to the MOTHER brand. Fan-games or mods take Nintendo properties and characters and use them in a way that Nintendo could potentially see as misrepresentative of what they desire (basically a whole bunch of stupid corporate legal crap). The translation's entire goal was to be as true as physically possible to the game except with English text.
@girlballsyuri3 жыл бұрын
Really, it's not about having Mother 3 localized, because we have the translation. It's moreso about having Nintendo just acknowledge that the game exists.
@captainpep33 жыл бұрын
Nintendo isn’t afraid to acknowledge their games existence, they’ve made jokes about mother 3 being localized. The point made in the video made sense
@juxyper3 жыл бұрын
@@Mr__Jack I guess it is also very related to the fact that Pokemon is almost synonymous to Nintendo in its existence, it is too valuable to Nintendo as a figurehead to let others copy it. Game Freak/The Pokemon Company could also be in on this idea along with Nintendo, or Nintendo might be forcing their hand much more than Itoi's. There's also the past troubles and potential localization related hurdles that neither Nintendo or Itoi would like to go through as you have mentioned
@the-NightStar3 жыл бұрын
No, it's just becuase Nintendo knows the translation exists, they don't care, they're never going to release Mother 3, they know it would be inferior to the fan-translation even if they did (and would have to censor the game for a more inclusive age rating), and they just don't care about the Earthbound franchise and they don't think it's an IP worth protecting at this point, and thus they just want people to play the fan-translation because they know it's all they're ever going to get. Itoi has nothing to do with it and has no say in what Nintendo does with the IP. The fact is that Nintendo just doesn't care, and it's been up for over 10 years at this point without a C&D because they're just encouraging people to patch it and download it, because they've written it off as something they'll never make a dime off of.
@swordofcoffee3 жыл бұрын
43:05 One theory that I've heard posited is that the Psychic Psycho and Major Psychic Psycho are other humans who have PSI powers that heard the prophesy of the Apple of Enlightenment. (Jeeze, that barely makes sense IN context.) The psychos think that they are the chosen ones and so they also set out to find the sanctuaries. I could reason out why they don't appear elsewhere, but that would make this too long.
@Josuh3 жыл бұрын
why
@yourlocalterrariamage20463 жыл бұрын
But why do they wear salt shakers
@swordofcoffee3 жыл бұрын
@@yourlocalterrariamage2046 I think they're supposed to be tinfoil hats or colanders. You know, to keep out enemy brain waves?
@Alec11_433 жыл бұрын
I believe cognitive dissonance had a theory that they were humans that giygas transformed to be his psi minions.
@kiwami56043 жыл бұрын
A theory I heard regarding the human enemies in Fire Springs is that they're other psychics who believe they're the chosen ones as well, so they've come down to the last sanctuary. Sort of like a Champion's Road in Pokemon.
@user-ym9fq1ko3s3 жыл бұрын
or they just some kind of elite troopers in human's part of Giygas army, who sent to FS to stop Ness from obtaining the last part of melody
@Davin-rp1nf2 жыл бұрын
@@user-ym9fq1ko3s Man, he must be desperate if he’s teaching humans stuff that was stolen from them, which was the reason why he wanted them destroyed.
@Ougerosity5982 жыл бұрын
Anybody else think they all kinda look like Porky?
@Kyumifun3 ай бұрын
You mean Victory Road
@flatP_3 жыл бұрын
i had no idea tony was ACTUALLY gay, aside from speculation by fans like me (who is also a gay man). that quote from Itoi made me so happy. tony’s a good boy.
@zanabandgirl3 жыл бұрын
omg you keep scaring the shit out of me on all these earthbound videos
@mikicerise62505 ай бұрын
Tony's awesome but ... How is this speculation? Tony and Jeff are so obviously a couple. I mean it's obvious from the very first scene involving them. I played the uncensored version and it makes me wonder if the obvious tells were censored by NOA?
@ZizZap4 Жыл бұрын
I think the doorknob could represent happiness. It's such a mundane thing that's so easy to take for granted, but things can quickly spiral out of control when it's not around. Happiness can also be unwelcome -- some people can't stand to see others happy, others may not be able to accept it at certain points in their lives and may resent its presence in themselves or others, and some may simply be unable to hang onto it for very long. But you can always find happiness if you stick things out to the very end.
@uraalice3 жыл бұрын
For Psychic Psychos in Fire Spring, I saw a theory once that the helmets on their heads are mind control devices. The core point of the theory is that Giygas gets desperate seeing Ness is approaching the final sanctuary, so his forces kidnapped any humans with latent PSI powers and brainwashed them.
@Dr0dd3 жыл бұрын
They remind me of stories about people with psychic powers being experimented on by secret agencies, like in Firestarter by Stephen King. Hell, wasn't King already an influence on Mother?
@Samrules8883 жыл бұрын
So he does the very thing he feared, teaching humans PSI, to stop humans from learning PSI Also we see other humans gain PK powers from other things. martial arts, exposure to the manimani statue, or being *ahem* "touched" by the magypsies
@torrashinjiro41962 жыл бұрын
@@Samrules888 You know what they say. Desperate times calls for desperate measures
@taleseylad12498 ай бұрын
@@Samrules888i thought Lucas was being drowned and they never shew it for some reason
@philip-op6de6 ай бұрын
@@Samrules888that’s why it’s called desperation…he was desperate even going against his very core nature
@ne0space3 жыл бұрын
When I think of Earthbound, the first thing that comes to mind is Alex Jones saying "Destroy the Child".
@joshshrum27643 жыл бұрын
Well it’s basically the game in a nutshell, but what i mainly think of is Giygas.
@ortherner3 жыл бұрын
i think of porky
@randomguyontheinternet79403 жыл бұрын
@@joshshrum2764If Giygas could talk, Alex Jones' voice would actually fit him, atleast to me.
@lemonsmug3 жыл бұрын
@@randomguyontheinternet7940 "You're a fake and a fraud!" - Giygas, probably.
@samuelaviles8243 жыл бұрын
Alex Jones when observing Tazmily Village: "God those communists are amazing".
@reneerodriguez73683 жыл бұрын
Accidentally read "Duster's broken bass" as "Duster's broke ass"..hehe Thanks for making this video!
@ganaham91443 жыл бұрын
"Apple of Enlightnment" gives me some Adam and Eve vibes
@Sev11383 жыл бұрын
“Itoi didn’t saw a rape scene, he saw a women getting cut into halfs” “Ness...It hurts” It explains a lot
@IBL153 жыл бұрын
Raping hurts too though?
@TheChillAlien2 жыл бұрын
Timestamp?
@MrTheMasterX2 жыл бұрын
If it makes you feel any better, the "it hurts" line was inspired by ANOTHER traumatic childhood incident of Itoi's, where he witnessed a car crash. According to him, the only thing the sprawled out victim could say after the accident was "it hurts."
@XSlimSxadyX Жыл бұрын
@@MrTheMasterX Jesus Christ that is some heavy shit
@hchich25283 жыл бұрын
The Beach Boys' “Deidre” literally made me *shook* (yes I said “shook” on purpose) because of how close it sounded to the Earthbound version, well obviously it was a reference, BUT IT SOUNDED SPOT ON.
@vinilla023 жыл бұрын
It sounds so similar because it’s a sample. They took the audio and distorted it until it sounded good for their purposes
@hchich25283 жыл бұрын
@@vinilla02 I knew that but like, WOW. Even when it was distorted and used for Earthbound it still sounded pretty scary in the original, haha. Not to mention, Undertale, Earthbounds edgier cousin that has a trash fanbase but an alright story, uses a sound similar to that in the battle theme “Amalgamate.” But everybody knows that!
@hchich25283 жыл бұрын
Haha... yeah... I found out about Undertale first and never knew that the one Amalgamate was a reference to Giygus (however tf you spell his name) and that sound was a reference to another game that sampled that sound from a song...
@masicbemester3 жыл бұрын
@@hchich2528 not to sound like I'm making fun of your spelling, but I have something to say. Biggus Giygus wait no Giygus Dickus this is it
@hchich25283 жыл бұрын
@@masicbemester Naw it’s fine. *not Mewtwo’s name* is hard to say
@danielbueno84743 жыл бұрын
15:55 "Shatter the nightmare rock" seems to be a direct reference to *Ness' Nightmare,* which took shape in the form of the Mani Mani Statue, and how Ness would have to destroy it. Since Ness' Nightmare, aka the statue, represented the evil side of himself, he would have to get rid of that first in order to become able to absorb the Earth's power through the completion of the Sound Stone.
@MrTheMasterX2 жыл бұрын
Glad to know I'm not the only one who thought of that. Although, this falls apart somewhat since the name of the enemy in the original script in MOTHER 2 is "Ness' *Demon*" instead. It can still be ascertained that the 'nightmare rock' is the Mani Mani Statue though since Ness literally shatters it as opposed to figuratively shattering his Nightmare/Demon in Magicant.
@phantom24503 жыл бұрын
I think the "EarthBound is actually an imaginary adventure" headcanon would be a lot less appealing if a) more players actually played M1 and thus considered it important to have a theory that supports the connections between the two games, and b) if EarthBound's lore taken at face value wasn't so ridiculous.
@KuuchWizard3 жыл бұрын
I really thought Tony’s character from EarthBound was sweet. The orphanage sequence in that game is really heartfelt. It’s funny how much Tony cares about Jeff
@DefinitelyNotTheGOAT2 ай бұрын
It's not an orphanage It's a boarding school
@WeirdBrain3 жыл бұрын
This is the mother of all icebergs.
@brodycoffey9103 жыл бұрын
I get it
@bloxxotheidiot3 жыл бұрын
ayyyy
@finnruel18133 жыл бұрын
Im a huge nerd for both Evangelion and Earthbound and I'd like to point out that the similarities between the two go far deeper than what's described. First is the role of the father in all three games. All three of the father characters correspond to an aspect of Gendo Ikari (the protagonist's father in Evangelion). In Mother 1 Ninten's father is absent for most of his son's life and lost his wife due to messing with alien technology he didn't understand (though in Evangelion's case the wife died). In Mother 2, Ness' father is emotionally distant and only contacts his son via telephone, and spends most of the time in conversations reflecting on his wife. In Mother 3 Flint is driven half-mad by the loss of his wife, causing him to neglect his son and hurt others around him while going on a futile quest to reclaim his lost family. Lucas also shares a lot in common with the protagonist of Evangelion, Shinji Ikari. Like Lucas, Shinji lost his mother and is deeply sad about it, the two of them are both picked on and have few friends, and the two of them were both ostracized from their remaining family. The endings of Mother 2 and 3 share similarities with the End of Evangelion. In Mother 2 there's psycho-sexual element to the ending with the entrance to Giygas' lair resembling a vagina and the interior looking like a cervix, and in Mother 3 the game ends with the world ending, with a very ambiguous scene at the very end.
its astounding how many people understand a reference to a stupid meme video
@Ehibika3 жыл бұрын
one small thing I would have liked to add on this iceberg is the official appearance of buzz buzz, which I think is still a fairly obscure factoid even after Cuggaconoroy's revisitation of earthbound revealed it.
@tamioconnor37653 жыл бұрын
Yaaaaaa!!! Someone mentions Cugga
@masicbemester3 жыл бұрын
ain't that the band behind Thumbtupping Edit: Do not click read more lest the joke be ruined It's about Chumbawamba - Tubthumping
@tripledyou95803 жыл бұрын
My only issue is the constant “look it up yourself”. Some things could have done with a brief summary, a sound clip, or image.
@swr36033 жыл бұрын
What I liked about this video is it doesn't do that as much as the other icebergs but it still happens
@tripledyou95803 жыл бұрын
@@swr3603 For sure. It’s mainly in the first half of the iceberg that it’s a problem.
@LMC7643 жыл бұрын
Yes
@ERRORDownBad3 жыл бұрын
I actually seen one of the Mother 3 unused terrifying enemies as a MUGEN stage.
@M0XJade3 жыл бұрын
This shit an hour long im happy that this happened to you Or sad that you are going through this
@polkaducc3 жыл бұрын
Im not reading this whole comment im happy for u tho or sorry that happened
@wistfulanthophila93173 жыл бұрын
baby
@al_fuzzy92803 жыл бұрын
I'm new to the Mother series and absolutely trying to milk out ANY information about these games, this video was sooooo good!
@blazingtimeblazer90043 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the club! Also, I love you icon! What is your favorite game from the series? Mine is Mother 3.
@akirbyobsessee73963 жыл бұрын
Hey, I’m here for the same reason! Looking forward to Oddity so I can experience a “Mother” game totally blind
@rat_mikey3 жыл бұрын
the bird of light countering the dark dragon might refer to the two contraries (and thus yin and yang). two dragons, one feathered and white, the other black and scaly, biting each other's tails. the imagery is right.
@tsukara3 жыл бұрын
reshiram and zekrom
@rat_mikey3 жыл бұрын
@@tsukara yes exactly :)
@FelipeJaquez3 жыл бұрын
The whole series is a metaphor for Ying and Yang Generation spanning story of a hero vs a seemingly infinitely reacquiring evil
@crazybot11233 жыл бұрын
N hhh, vgg
@RushStudios1013 жыл бұрын
My theory on the Egg of Light is that the people in the old world knew PSI and used it to put their memories into the egg, and thus forgot how to use PSI. The Magypsies awakening Lucas, Claus, and Kumatora's PSI is actually a "re-awakening" of their forgotten power.
@IrvinCascade3 жыл бұрын
I always thought that the "Consider" option would've been somewhat like a "hint" option. Where depending on the characters' combined IQ, they would have some sort of back-and-forth about the enemy the player targets, and if a character is equipped with an item influencing it, the enemy's stats would be displayed with the hint. So, the "hint" for Giygas's final form being something about how at the rate you're going, you don't have the slightest prayer of defeating it. The use of the word "Prayer" being a hint to use that skill, since nothing else really pushes you to do so.
@GhostSilk3 жыл бұрын
I've been waiting a while to see someone make an iceberg on this series, and it's only icing on the cake that the video isn't plagued with editing errors, horrible audio mixing, or constant failed jokes like 70% of the other iceberg videos out there. Cheers dude, it was a good watch.
@erililil3 жыл бұрын
38:18 Actually, at the end of Mother 3 when the logo made of wood shows up the “O” is an actual photo of Earth. So maybe that does mean that this is the same earth as ours?
@Artemis-jw5ue3 жыл бұрын
It could be an alternative universe, similar to ours.
@anthonyvelasco52883 жыл бұрын
No, that's just the game saying that you brought back the world to normal
@ohitsstar12413 жыл бұрын
Hey, glad to have helped you out bro EDIT: working on the sequel list EDIT2: canceled
@dunno61613 жыл бұрын
You know, there is a good bit of evidence that Nintendo actually appreciates the fan translation of Mother 3 I mean, it does keep the game as the original release, outside of language. Most of Nintendo's ban hammering was for alterations of the experience, outside of most mario hacks (but that's for a different reason that they'd have little to no legal footing with) Plus, like the video mentions, there's no way they could rerelease it without heavliy altering it and maybe cutting out entire important parts of the game by now. Since they hate changing the setting or experience of existing works....the fan translation is probably gonna stay safe. Mother 3 might even count as abandonware in certain aspects or regions anyway, and that's legally grey.
@StriderVM3 жыл бұрын
Sometimes it can be boiled down. IMO its basically "not worth it" because "it won't make money". The people who want it have probably played it. The effort they will need to do it will be superceded by the fan translation and lastly, it won't make money because of points 1 and 2, and then how would you market it beyond those people?
@PhantomOfficial07 Жыл бұрын
They wouldn't alter or it anything. It's not a controversial release, Reggie said the reason Mother 3 never got an English release on the Virtual Console was purely a business decision and had nothing to do with the game itself. ...Maybe they just thought it wouldn't be worth the effort of translating because it wouldn't sell well?
@randoviewer52129 ай бұрын
@@PhantomOfficial07it’s because of all of the musical references most likely
@PhantomOfficial079 ай бұрын
@@randoviewer5212 I later saw a video on it after I made that comment and you may be right
@cyanidepizza Жыл бұрын
31:34 I know I'm 2 years late, but there's an explanation for this. The explanation is that that's not unused text. When making the MOTHER 3 Fan Translation, the text for certain sequences was too long for the text injector they used and crashed the program, so they used external text files to translate those certain lines of text. The text [FILE=".-8e.txt"] is read by one of the programs to build the translated ROM and injects the text from the external file named "0-8". It works this way for a few sequences. Kinda weird that this is the only [FILE="______.txt"] that was misunderstood to be unused text, as they're all in the same text block. My source is the download page and guide for the Translation Tools in case anyone's wondering.
@CorvodaPop3 жыл бұрын
First iceberg video I've seen in a very long while that has been this good. Even as someone who thought they knew everything there was to know about the mother series, this taught me a ton. Thanks for the great vid!
@BryansAdventures3 жыл бұрын
42:47 Finally someone pointed this out because it still haunts me everytime I encounter it.
@rds463 жыл бұрын
*T H E O R B*
@rybo46633 жыл бұрын
“What the fuck is this thing?”
@jerppursh75703 жыл бұрын
I haven't gotten there yet and now I'm scared
@DarkHero-nn9xr3 жыл бұрын
What really haunts me is 48:13
@charleskruger86073 жыл бұрын
What haunts me the most is that one of the characters in Earthbound is gay. That ruined my childhood if you know what I mean. I never expected anybody to be gay in that game and I’ve been a fan of Earthbound for years. So when I found out about this, it just ruined my childhood and maybe even life because I’ve been a fan for years
@TheHogfatherInvades3 жыл бұрын
hearing the beach boys say Deirdre gave me shivers
@camsons3 жыл бұрын
Wonder if Bruce Johnston knows that Itoi used that song in Earthbound
@Minkerdoodle013 жыл бұрын
funny enough, if you listen to the full song... after that very creepy opening the song is very upbeat and bubbly.
@stonethemason123 жыл бұрын
@@Minkerdoodle01 dierdre makes me cry
@Jetsetlemming3 жыл бұрын
52:28 The Fan translation is completely legal, the same as any other fan patch or game mod. There's a reason it's a patch that has to be applied to a ROM you have to find somewhere else. There's technicalities they could try to bully them with, like demanding they stop using Mother 3 art on their website, but nothing really substantial that makes such an action risk-free, nor is there anything about the fan translation patch that threatens their copyright or trademark, thus requiring them to act. You'll notice they've never acted against the Link to the Past or Super Metroid randomizers, either. edit: Also there's no reason a fan translation patch would discourage an official release. There's absolutely no reason to assume an official translation would be "inferior" without actually seeing it, and a fan translated copy would at most be free advertisement to a new audience who is unfamiliar with the game, and more likely a tiny drop in the bucket of the potential players.
@SeanStrife2 жыл бұрын
Well, now we can expand the "Earthbound's influence on modern RPGs" to "Earthbound's influence" since apparently the visuals in the movie Turning Red were inspired by Pokemon... and Earthbound. Earthbound's influence has now expanded its sphere into the realm of film.
@CopiousDoinksLLC3 жыл бұрын
41:07 My interpretation of the weird layout of these areas was that Giygas' close proximity was messing with reality itself 42:10 The whole Lost Underworld section is a tongue-in-cheek reference to 'Journey to the Center of the Earth', a movie from 1959. The idea was that dinosaurs had survived underground after the meteorite that wiped them out sealed them underground. Stupid, I know
@cellophanezebra46633 жыл бұрын
Surprised none of them mentioned that in Mother 3 the forest were they get high on shrooms was gonna be way darker and fucked up
@BioMega962 жыл бұрын
It was? Didn't know that, know where I can find more on that?
@cellophanezebra46632 жыл бұрын
@@BioMega96 It was from the creator himself (Itoi) when in a interview, He explained that it was gonna be way darker but had to cut it to possibly keep the rating of the game.
@simonmagus2199 Жыл бұрын
that would have been great, but for a nintendo game, it's already pretty dark
@girlballsyuri3 жыл бұрын
Itoi: the fetus theory isn't real stop believing it some random people: red swirly baby haha
@nessthepsycho62523 жыл бұрын
Believing the theory or not, is it the clear distinction of baby. With it being non-canon and purely coincidental is honestly amazing.
@EdgeOfEntropy173 жыл бұрын
Okay, the game series is called Mother. Kinda obvious this was intentional. No matter what anyone says, they can't hide something so obvious.
@girlballsyuri3 жыл бұрын
@@EdgeOfEntropy17 if the creator of the series denies it, it's not real.
@EdgeOfEntropy173 жыл бұрын
@@girlballsyuri Perhaps he is trying avoid negative publicity. Entirely possible.
@girlballsyuri3 жыл бұрын
@@EdgeOfEntropy17 I still say it's not real
@lilseizy59223 жыл бұрын
This guy was so calm up until he got to the dream theory lmao.
@PorkyMinch2 жыл бұрын
so many people coment on it
@superdean9966 Жыл бұрын
This was basically my introduction to the MOTHER series. And here I am now. Thank you.
@johnofonett80363 жыл бұрын
Me hearing Pippi being pronounced as “Peepee”: hahaha funny Great video, btw! Nice to see someone finally covering this iceberg!
@ExtremeWreck3 жыл бұрын
*What if Pippi is actually a boy?*
@johnofonett80363 жыл бұрын
@@ExtremeWreck *holy shit*
@Zeggladore3 жыл бұрын
Some quick music trivia I'm surprised didn't make it in: 1. *Dalaam's Musical Origin* Dalaam's theme is lifted straight from Keiichi Suzuki's "WORDS, COLOURS, NOISES AND BOOMS ," which was also sampled for the sound you hear when you step on a panel in front of the sphynx in Scaraba. 2. *The Suzuki Tapes* A pair of albums by Keiichi Suzuki from 1993 and 2011 included a collection of demo versions of several of the MOTHER vocal tracks, a few of which are sung by Suzuki himself. The first of these albums contains a song "You are Cancer," written by Shigesato Itoi. 3. *MOTHER 3+ iTunes version* Two arranged soundtracks for MOTHER 3, called _MOTHER 3i_ and _MOTHER 3+,_ were released *globally* on iTunes before eventually being pulled from the shelves in 2012. Although both albums were given physical releases, the iTunes release of MOTHER 3+ comes with an exclusive arrangement of the game's credits music. 4. *MOTHER lyrics* All three main themes have official lyrics: MOTHER's "Eight Melodies" was given English lyrics by Linda Hennrick for the St. Paul Cathedral Choir version found in the original soundtrack, while 2's "Smiles and Tears" and 3's "We Miss You - Love Theme" had Japanese lyrics written by Itoi that were provided in MOTHER 2's instruction manual and performed by Taeko Onuki in MOTHER 3+, respectively. 5. *Life is but a twinkle, a winking of an eye* EarthBound's "Flying Man" theme derives from an original song from the _MOTHER_ arranged album. Though the instrumental track is a dead ringer for the song's appearance in EarthBound, the melody for the lyrics performed in the song seems to come out of nowhere. However, you actually hear this melody in EarthBound's death screen.
@Jepegish3 жыл бұрын
Amazing video! I actually played Earthbound for the first time ever 2 weeks ago after having heard OMORI was heavily inspired by it and I'm still mindblown by the fact that Earthbound still, to this day holds up surprisingly well.
@Slenderquil3 жыл бұрын
Hopefully you'll enjoy the wonderful rabbit hole that is earthbound! Mother 3 is my favorite game of all time, so I highly recommend you play it after EB
@Skallva3 жыл бұрын
You can see traces of Mother all over the RPG Maker community. That game's influences are truly massive.
@xxProjectJxx3 жыл бұрын
'Earthbound still holds up well' Debatable
@8bitsniper5683 жыл бұрын
“Giygas fetus is most widespread around EarthBound theory around” Sans is Ness: Am I a joke to you?
@bloxxotheidiot3 жыл бұрын
ssas moment
@roland.w4 ай бұрын
yes
@nacnud21153 жыл бұрын
I’m surprised there is no mention of the tent corner in earthbound. That thing feels like it could get its own mini iceberg.
@TCT20233 жыл бұрын
DID YOU SERIOUSLY. PUT DRIP NESS. IN THE ABYSS SECTION INTRO. ... you absolute madman I LOVE YOU XD
@masicbemester3 жыл бұрын
Drip Ness Bottom text
@resarfjomes18073 жыл бұрын
I always just assumed the apple of enlightenment was the orb on the center of the Devil’s Machine. I also always thought that the “nightmare rock” was just another name for the apple of enlightenment.
@HughAverageHomoMan3 жыл бұрын
"nightmare rock" could also mean the Mani Mani statue.
@wistfulanthophila93173 жыл бұрын
i thought "nightmare rock" was the sound stone since you lose it after reaching the last sanctuary
@0megazeero3 жыл бұрын
I don't see many people talking about it so I will In super mario odyssey, there's this kingdom named "ruined kingdom" and there's something that kind of remind me of mother 3, like nails that remind me a lot of the mother 3 nails and... *A dark dragon.* I'm not saying that they're in the same universe but... Don't you think THAT is how the dark dragon was supposed to look like in mother 3?
@lennyfrogger3 жыл бұрын
Holy shit, I think you're onto something
@quillllly3 жыл бұрын
Didn't even acknowledge the fact that the dragon in odyssey has needles in it that you have to pull to damage it.
@0megazeero3 жыл бұрын
@@quillllly oh yeah I had forgotten about that
@alt78373 жыл бұрын
@@quillllly theres only six pins on him though, so sadly maybe its not connected :(
@IBL153 жыл бұрын
@@alt7837 maybe one was already pulled?
@SuperCrazf3 жыл бұрын
54:30 If you ask me. The Earthbound series (and more specifically, Mother 3) are not only the greatest RPGs of all time, but are the games that transcend the genre and have become like a trascended being that every single RPG from past, present and future, aspires to one day become. These games will be my vigil, my personal compass through adversity, until the day I die. I hope more people play them.
@RowletGameing3 жыл бұрын
we can't forget the most obscure Earthbound Fact: Ness can beat Goku
@Ness_Dreemurr3 жыл бұрын
How?
@SpathiCaptainFwiffo27 күн бұрын
@@Ness_DreemurrI dunno, PSI Flash and get lucky?
@revolverocelots2913 жыл бұрын
54:20 "Pee your pants" that should not have made me laugh as fucking hard as i did with the shadow billboard
@TheRealSuperKirby3 жыл бұрын
YES! Finally some one that agrees that the mani mani statue sprites are mixed up. And amazing video man, you put way more effort into this than other ice berg videos
@starman-95433 жыл бұрын
Dude this was so well made! Having watched the other MOTHER Iceberg video that you mentioned prior, I felt disappointed and the guy didn't even seem like a MOTHER fan. This video though was really great and I can definitely see the effort. Nice job
@themightysomeone96043 жыл бұрын
This is the best iceberg video I have ever seen. Good narration, good exposition and great research. Great job with this amazing video!
@firionkaiser82913 жыл бұрын
I'd also like to add that you can see the shape of Giygas Mother 1/Earthbound Beginnings as the stance he appeared in during the fight in Earthbound when looking at it upside down.
@knojangles3 жыл бұрын
Sheesh, this really reignited my love for the series, I've learned so much as a result of this video, It's just so good!
@Rolli_Zolli3 жыл бұрын
It's my personal theory that Kumatora became the princess of Oshoe to replace someone else. So, who would that someone else be? Hinawa! Upon the arival of the white ship, Hinawa fell in love with Flint and decided to join the people of Tazmily. In return, an orphaned girl was to be raised by the Magypsies to take Hinawa's place if the needles were ever to be pulled. This also explains how Lucas and Claus learn PK Love from the Magypsies, but Kumatora couldn't despite being raised by them. She was supposed to be the hero of the story, but because she didn't have the same power as the true princess, that role had to be taken up by Lucas. It also might be why Hinawa seems to have "Force Ghost" powers in Chapter 6 and the final battle. Idk, any thoughts, am i missing anything? Edit: This is all in response to 40:32 btw
@JonahZgo3 жыл бұрын
if im not mistaken, the whole "princess of the castle" role was made up as part of the story, as osohe castle had long since been empty by the time the white ship arrived
@Rolli_Zolli3 жыл бұрын
@@JonahZgo Good point, but i still defend the idea that there had to be some reason Kumatora was given to the Magypsies and not just adopted by another island resident. I feel like "the story the Tazmily citizens made was rushed" is a bit too much of a cop-out for such an odd decision. Even if Hinawa's title wasn't "Princess of Osohe", i still believe Kumatora is filling her previous role.
@randomguyontheinternet79403 жыл бұрын
The comparison between Steve Jobs and Bill Gates being the Apple and Orange Kids' I think is supposed to be a commentary on how valuable their work is compared to how the public treats them.
@Kurisu5453 жыл бұрын
This video is amazing, it really covers most obscure trivia and theories perfectly, it's well edited and researched, honesly I coudn't think of a better Iceberg video for the Mother series, the iceberg meme is a gift that keeps on giving. Anyway, subscribed!
@42thecakeisalie3 жыл бұрын
I remember an old silly fan theory that said Porky was actually Giygas transformed after all the years passed in the absolutely safe capsule, and the mother timeline actually go like a neverending cycle. I also remember a cute fan comic about the "white boat" people background.
@aclonymous3 жыл бұрын
Even as someone who’s never properly played any of the Mother games (apart from the Earthbound demo built into Smash 4), this is actually really interesting and informative. Not what I expected from our resident composer/shitposter.
@aclonymous3 жыл бұрын
@Blue Snow Guy It was somewhere in games & more, idk i haven’t touched that game in 3 years
@aclonymous3 жыл бұрын
@Blue Snow Guy Actually, just looked up a video, it’s games & more > vault > masterpieces > earthbound. There are a ton of other retro games you can play in there too.
@aclonymous3 жыл бұрын
@Blue Snow Guy kzbin.info/www/bejne/jHq0pYOXrLRjrrM
@MrFoxInc3 жыл бұрын
19:50 Yes, thank you. Theories that are "It was all a dream", "They're in a coma" or "It was a fantasy" were interesting initially but have outstayed their welcome almost immediately. You're not alone in your bias. Also, great video! Thanks!
@JonahZgo3 жыл бұрын
i swear some ppl really be like "this fictional story is fictional" wow outstanding theory bitch now delete your account
@nameless89373 жыл бұрын
Dope video! The only thing this Iceberg was missing is the Hollywood-esque lady from Threed who is only seen twice in the whole game and has a really mysterious vibe around her
@Protofall3 жыл бұрын
*Twice*?
@nameless89373 жыл бұрын
Protofall She is first seen quietly luring you in the trap in Threed and then all the way around in Summers, you can actually spot her again on the Beach, where she asks you to leave her alone if you interact with her (if i’m not mistaken)
@Protofall3 жыл бұрын
@@nameless8937 Oh yeah, I vaguely recall hearing about the summers encounter. Although I'm not sure if its the same person or just two NPCs with the same sprite.
@nameless89373 жыл бұрын
Protofall General consensus is that it’s the same woman, since unlike any other NPCs, the sprite isn’t used for anything else
@Rolli_Zolli3 жыл бұрын
Also missing "Welcome to th :|" from the Mother 3 fan translation
@SerButtley3 жыл бұрын
"Why would you be here if you aren't a fan of the series" My good dude, I never played the game in my entire life. And yet, that was an enjoyable vid, thank you so much for the hard work into this~
@curlycane_3 жыл бұрын
ohmygod thank you for mentioning the cliff that time forgot!! it’s not talked about a lot & it makes me sad. ive always had a feeling for that place, not only because it’s “weird”, but because it felt like a place where we shouldn’t have stumbled upon (or rather the place shouldn’t exist at all).
@markyb43333 жыл бұрын
30:20 On my first (and current) playthrough of Mother 3, I actually encountered the Lady in the hot spring of the chimera lab. I thought it was just some cute gag, had no idea it was apparently super rare.
@carmineknight91233 жыл бұрын
O M G, I just so happened to be in an Earthbound mood and found this completely randomly, I am SO happy. Very well done. Lots here that I didn't know.
@superbad80083 жыл бұрын
I gotta say, I kind of hate the “It was all a dream” theories too.
@L_Aster3 жыл бұрын
6:33 I've never played Earthbound but it's 2 am and I like having noises to draw and write to
@Symboite30993 жыл бұрын
Im glad you spend 100 hours for this
@Minkerdoodle013 жыл бұрын
About this scene at 49:20, I believe this is wildly misinterpreted because of the fade to black. When the black goes away, Lucas comes up out of the hot spring. Ionia wasn't doing anything sexual to him, she was holding his head under and telling him to endure holding his breath for a while, to induce the PK abilities... somehow. Maybe dunking him in the hot spring caused a PSI fever.
@StriderVM3 жыл бұрын
Also Japanese media tends to make jokes like this. Even in other video games. I do remember other RPG games like Breath of Fire and Dragon Quest having similar jokes.
@tristanlagrate98173 жыл бұрын
I don't trust that pigmask who "knows about Giygas"...imagine if he was a descendant of a family of people who didn't get rid of their old memories. *GAME THEORY: GIYGAS IS PIGMASK CONFIR-*
@peopleperson35993 жыл бұрын
30:10 the “Happy End” screen could also be a reference to the Japanese folk-rock band of the same name, which is notable for one of its members being Haruomi Hosono, a very influential artist in the world of Japanese pop music. One of their songs was also used in the soundtrack for Lost in Translation.
@formerlyknownasmousecopp43672 жыл бұрын
"This is a subtle reference to the idea that Earthbound is a work of fiction" DAYUM the shade 😂
@forgettablePyromaniac3 жыл бұрын
"Shoutouts to SimpleFlips" at the bottom of the description. Nice.
@masicbemester3 жыл бұрын
"yeah Simpleflips, the man, the myth, the legend." - Joel