The Edict of Nikaea: A History (Warhammer 40k & Horus Heresy Lore)

[@ralach]

Your delivery of the lore from this setting is, literally, second to none: very,very well done :) (and a reason i support you, albeit on a very small scale, on your patreon)

[@OculusImperia]

Thank you! :D

[@Wafflepudding]

@@OculusImperia Losing your composure after the recording of the Emperor was a great touch, it feels exactly as a remembrancer or iterator would react in canon.

[@shekel8245]

Second. To. None. Literally

[@chadsknnr]

Yeah, this is excellent quality. Your presentation (as if you were a solemn yet dubious cleric of the Imperium) TOTALLY NAILS WH40K!!

[@Magavynhigara]

No sacrifice or offering to the emperors servants is too small. From the coin, to the prayer, it all adds up.

[@mashedmatt]

For someone who doesn't know the ruinous powers, Magnus' testimony is compelling. For anyone that does, it is terrifying in its naivety

[@piotrd.4850]

Magnus knew about Warp. Knew little if anything about Pantheon. In any case, it was Big E. who made Magnus and Thousand Sons in a first place, so....

[@guradem6133]

I was thinking to myself that if Magnus doesn't have a Australian accent this is going to be hard to listen to. Then all of a sudden I heard Zegram and everything was fine.

[@alexanderstavroulakis335]

TTS Magnus is Best Magnus.

[@CousinJesse1]

Why would Magnus have an Australian accent? The people of Catachan should, but I don't know about Magnus.

[@Duhad8]

@@CousinJesse1 This is the actor who plays Magnus in "If The Emperor Had A Text To Speech Device", a wonderful voice actor who unfortunately cannot pull off a posh British accent without sounding Australian, hence the joke. But hey, its good that even in the face of such mockery, he has never once chickened out.

[@RangerTheCEOofsx]

@@Duhad8 In fact, his bad accent is so Australian, that the TV Tropes page thought the voice actor was Australian

[@Key_highway]

The fact that as an Australian, I never really noticed any accent pretty much confirms it sounds super Aussie, it just sounded normal haha

[@ryanoakley8426]

Lol I love ole Morty talking about the psycher warlocks he faced that we’re actually Khornite. What a great twist and use of the lore to show how little these guys knew of the chaos gods and what the emperors intent was. Bravo sir

[@HAL-dz8hk]

Ole Morty? You mean Lord Humungus?

[@SonsOfLorgar]

Lord Flatulence was always full of something more rancid than Fenrisian fermented leviathan...

[@Pastulio1215]

I love that the TTS cast has kind of just become the default lore voices of the community.

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

The TTS dub of the Wrath of Magnus trailer got more views than the actual one.

[@AnIdiotsLantern]

@@TheSmart-CasualGamer well it was just better

[@AnIdiotsLantern]

GW needs to hire them yesterday

[@AnIdiotsLantern]

@@chickenmonger123 ok, I’m being serious. Besides Midwinter Minis, who was a mistake, how many people have actually gotten real takedown notices?

[@m3rcurymorbid]

@@AnIdiotsLanternEvery successful 40k fan movie/series video

[@timc9789]

May I humbly say: you do not get enough credit as a storyteller of this amazing lore. From the very first moment I heard your words speak of the Holy Pilgrimage to Terra, I have clung to your words. Thank you for your work and efforts. 🙏🤝

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

Ahh Nikea; Where the Emperor of Mankind shoot himself in the foot so hard, several of the Word Bearers thought Chaos must have planned it all along. Alienating Magnus (the most important Primarch for the Emperors future plans) Pissing of Perturabo, by using his beautiful creation as an arena to condemn one of the few brothers, the Lord of Iron liked, and most grievous of all; Depriving the Loyal Legions of their best weapons against Chaos, just as Chaos was beginning its final play. it is no wonder, that The Lion, The Angel, Guilliman, Jagatai khan and even Rogal Fucking Dorn eventually decided to ignore the Edict, because it was stupidity of colossal Majesty.

[@finderdiler]

I never understood his decision at this council.

[@lsamaknight]

@@finderdiler He said it himself. Power without wisdom does not make one more powerful, it makes one reckless and one own works will turn against their owner and destroy all that they have wrought. The Emperor wasn't censuring Magnus, he was predicting the Heresy. Occulus is never going to say it in character but it effectively highlights thje Emperor's own short-sightedness, limitation and in this particular instance, rank hypocrisy.

[@roquettothestars9751]

@@lsamaknight yes bc Aaron Dembski-Bowden has an hard-on to hate on Emperor and paint him that way. To the point it's cringe.

[@pierre-andrelecomte9384]

yet one of the most significant events in the horus heresy, magnus wanting to stop horus from "falling" backfiring with gusto and breaking the palaces wards and golden throne (unintentionally) happened →BECAUSE← magnus choose to ignore the edict of Nikea also hindsight, i must keep in mind the timeline, except a few precogs very vague visions, they didn't know whats coming at the end both possible outcome of Nikea can be seen as both right and wrong, and that good writing i think.

[@BurningFyre]

@@roquettothestars9751 bro its like, a story telling technique that supposedly omnipotent being have flawed world views. Its character building. Do you want a perfect god dude who is never wrong? Because thats boring as fuck.

[@telemarkaeology]

During Mortarion's speech, Horus frowned, leaned over to Guilliman, and cautiously whispered, "Did, uh... did Morty just say 'ragamuffin'?"

[@piotrd.4850]

Guiliman was not present.

[@kristianfischer9814]

Have you heard of "jokes"?@@piotrd.4850

[@SonofSethoitae]

​@@piotrd.4850Neither was Horus my dude

[@legobattledroid4110]

Lol

[@cormacbyrne2210]

When it was mentioned that there would be an excerpt of the speech by Magnus the Red, I was certain that I would hear Zegram's familiar voice, and pleased to be proven right. That man has truly become Magnus for many of us. On the subject of the video itself, Oculus (the character) seems to be struggling with himself so much lately, as the mistakes and imperfections of the Emperor slowly come to bear. He clings to the Emperor's divinity, refusing to question even as he rails against the Emperor's flaws in others.... I am so interested to see where this all leads...

[@unintentionallydramatic]

I'm... Pretty sure the Oculus converted to the Imperial Truth well before requesting permission for the Chaos entry, though obviously still way way way coloured by extreme hero worship. Considering someone preternaturally competent isn't the same as considering them an all-powerful God.

[@leonheartzzz]

To me he is magnus the big red whiner himself, it got to the point where when i listened to GW version of magnus its just feels wrong

[@mr.smithsgovermentclass4556]

@@leonheartzzz agreed

[@thetruth4116]

An easy answer; heresy, death and damnation eternal...

[@jeffersonselvy2117]

I'm expecting some sort of 40k version of the Arian Heresy. Basically a denial of the divinity of the emperor as the tally of mistakes makes the omnipotent concept impossible to entertain

[@Bastit3hman]

Big E: Makes Magnus Big E: Makes Thousand Sons Magnus & TS: Use their warp powers Big E: Surprised Pikachu face.

[@DeHerg]

It was less surprise and more a temporary appeasement of the anti-psyker factions in his legions so it could be properly addressed when the new imperium is properly stabilized(aka the webway project is finished).

[@danishsyed1068]

it should be Magnus & TS use their warp powers recklessly

[@xenoblad]

DeHerg lesson learned. Never appease the reactionaries.

[@greenrocket23]

@@xenoblad You may say that, but it doesn't change the fact that it was the worlds where the witches were burned that survived the age of strife

[@thebestdad9816]

@@greenrocket23 1. All witches are things that can burn. 2. All things that can burn are made of wood. 3. Therefore, all witches are made of wood. 4. All things that are made of wood are things that can float. 5. All things that weigh as much as a duck are things that can float. 6. So all things that weigh as much as a duck are things that are made of wood. 7. Therefore, all witches are things that weigh as much as a duck. 8. This thing is a thing that weighs as much as a duck. 9. Therefore, this thing is a witch.

[@Wafflepudding]

Also also, if Emps didn't want people worshipping him as a god, perhaps he shouldn't have used phrases like "turned from my light", "woe betide he who ignores my warning or breaks faith with me" or "until the end of all things".

[@henrikwilliams569]

Plz stop calling him a god or he will secularly smite you with his totally metaphorical angels of death.

[@DehnusNorder]

Typical fascist leader talk though. And that he was. It was his way or the highway, even with cultures far older and with fully working STC's they often even understood.. or psykers that actually knew what they were doing. He couldn't stand anybody opposing him. Without the Emperor really humanity eventually would have taken back much of the galaxy by itself, considering there were still a few out there that had fully working STC's and understanding how they worked... just not the conquering spirit.

[@edwardoavila7666]

inb4 retconning him as 'always knowing' humanity needs someone to believe in (him). I think the huge amount of ambiguity in 40k is used to maximum effect here in regards to the emperor's character and intentions. he makes mistakes like any other man, but still uses the imagery of divinity to attract followers and represent humanity. all these contradictions I think will be used as a 'just as planned' or 'there was no other way' by the big E when the story progresses.

[@weldonwin]

23:21 really rather loving this art work here, since we not only see the vaunted Macraggian Auxilia troops but also, Magnus apparently really like cats, which does explain so much between Magnus and Russ

[@samualwatkins]

I get why, but I’m slightly disappointed there wasn’t a “neeeeeeeeeerd” from Zoranthebear in the background when Magnus finished.

[@weldonwin]

I'm slightly disappointed the Emperor didn't speak in the TTS voice

[@seand.g423]

@@weldonwin I mean... _Technically..._ he did, like, if you go back to the flashback of Malcador's Sacrifice... yeah...

[@CheeseTriangles]

Mortarion saying ragamuffin was the best part of this video

[@tunguskalumberjack9987]

Hahaha- yeah, I loved that, too.

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

And it's right there in the book, in the big serious speech at Nikea. Just like here.

[@uglyweirdo1389]

In the grim darkness of the far future There is only clean language.

[@DukeGyug]

I was half expecting that we were not going to have proper clearance and all we would get is an error code

[@BuckNuttage]

Man that pulled me completely out of the story when he said that

[@derekburge5294]

Russ: Psykers bad. Russ: Rune Priest good. Russ: Different things. Not the same. Russ: Because I say so.

[@Ninjaguiden89]

Russ is just thoroughly unlikeable really.

[@mr.smithsgovermentclass4556]

For a good boi, his logic is flawless.

[@pierre-andrelecomte9384]

but you should know how the Immaterium work. if one powerful being or many believe in something without ANY doubt then it will be so. ergo, rune priest and might just be different things, as long as there no crack in the certitude.

[@BurningFyre]

I mean, you try and look him in the eye and tell him that.

[@StarboyXL9]

@@BurningFyre Russ's entire history of bad ideas exists due to the fact that nobody can look him in the eye and tell him "that's a bad idea."

[@Feenix102]

What Magnus failed to realise was the one essential difference between those who dwelt in the cave and the man who showed his fellows the light, and his wish to enlighten humanity. Magnus had never lived in the dark.

[@lordfrostwind3151]

And worse, he failed to comprehend what monsters actually lurked in that darkness, and how beguiling they can be.

[@Feenix102]

@@lordfrostwind3151 Yup. :o)

[@absolute-focus]

@@Feenix102 amen.

[@DeHerg]

@@lordfrostwind3151 In that analogy the mosters lived in the sunlight(metaphor for the warp). He also knew of "demons", he had one as a pet/advisor(that's why Wirtman testified against him). He just didn't know how lovecraftian they could be.

[@TealWolf26]

The easiest men to manipulate are those that think themselves beyond it.

[@Venneroth]

Leman Russ: Has a psychic howl Mortarion: Uses psychic powers to turn invisible and is obsessed with mystic numerology. Corvus Corax: Uses psychic powers to turn invisible more often than he breathes. "PSYCHIC POWERS BAD!" Uh-huh. Sure, guys.

[@TheAtomicSpoon]

Do as I say, not as I do. Proving that big E really was their father after all.

[@absolute-focus]

Russ' howl wasn't psychic it just disrupted psychers. This in confirmed im Forge World Horus Heresy book 7 Inferno.

[@Venneroth]

@@absolute-focus How can he disrupt psykers with a non-psychic howl? Surely that would be just noise. That doesn't make sense.

[@absolute-focus]

@@Venneroth its syfi fiction and hes a Primarch. Id say it loud enough to break concentration thus stopping psychers from doing there thing.

[@fulalbatross]

@@Venneroth Psychic blanks disrupts psykers by mere presence, and that's certainly not a psychic power on their part. Can easily be imagined that whatever Russ actually does, could work in a similar way. Maybe temporarily invocing a "psychic blank space" of sorts, or just mimicing said effect in some entirely different way. Regardless, the existence of blanks shows there's no need to be psychic in order to affect psychers, bringing any number of possibilities to the table.

[@RocRolDis]

The Emperor: I'll give these primarchs amazing psychic powers. THey will be mighty weapons against chaos and one will even aid me in creating my own webway. Also The Emperor: Psykers that aren't me?! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

[@odalfhilter6980]

Id do the same honestly psykers are a time bomb.

[@TheWarmachine375]

@@odalfhilter6980 By that logic, Big E is the time bomb too

[@Bornst3ll3r]

@@TheWarmachine375 HERESY

[@mr.smithsgovermentclass4556]

"Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do" The Big Red Nerd presumed to quote Bruce Lee? That's RICH. NEEEEEEEERD EDIT: Also, I find it pretty awesome that the voice actor of Big Red here is the same from TTS. We are creating our own microcosm of continuity.

[@TOUGHEYES]

Ikr? I had a little moment of glee in my heart when that occurred, but to follow that up with the same man who does Big E, without the TTS cuts is amazing.

[@ivann198765]

TTS ?

[@CharlesUrban]

@@ivann198765 "If the Emperor Had A Text-to-Speech Device." Look it up...it's hilarious.

[@BarabasDantioch123]

The voice for Magnus is Zegram. I loved how he did this speech.

[@mr.smithsgovermentclass4556]

@@BarabasDantioch123 agreed I don't know if Big Red was his first voice acting role, but you can definitely see a large and marked improvement from the early TTS days and this speech.

[@Wafflepudding]

Also, I don't care what GW says, Zegram is now the canon voice of Magnus the Red.

[@TealWolf26]

I was perplexed by his deep voice in the audiobooks.

[@Chrinik]

Agreed

[@DuduDruidDotCom]

I felt weird when I listened to the Thousand Sons audiobook. I expected to hear Zegram, but I hear something else, hahah.

[@AnIdiotsLantern]

Gw needs to hire Zegram to voice Magnus for real

[@NateVHVT]

I'd actually pay money for a redub of the entire audio book series voiced by the TTS gang.

[@outlawotter4324]

When magnus is the same magnus from tts 🗿

[@OmniGSage]

Occulus has made some very useful connections when working on the show himself and with Remleiz

[@Deridus]

(Stomp stomp)

[@rickconnolly5006]

Truly exquisite. When you hear him saying (exasperated) "can you imagine!?!?" Fucken lol

[@dialaskisel5929]

Aw. Who else was disappointed that The Emperor didn't talk in Text-To-Speech? Also, Daddy Magnus! Your sons love you!

[@thewayfarer8849]

"I'm going to do what's called a pro-gamer move"- Magnus the Red, The Emperor of Mankind, the Amon Deamon...yeah, a lot of stupid all centered around one event

[@lordfrostwind3151]

Tzeentch: *laughs in indecisive mollusk*

[@JeanLucCaptain]

The emperor: I'm going to tell an entire legion LITERALLY made up pf psychers YOU CAN'T BE THAT ANYMORE. Malcadore: NOT A GOOD IDEA. but you won't listen will you? meanwhile how about dealing with the bible thumping legion and the BUTCHERS NAILS? NO?

[@randomcenturion7264]

@@JeanLucCaptain Emps: Just send Guilliman to scar Lorgar for life and breed utter resentment between the two, so I can show up and be a massive asshole to my heartbroken son in front of everyone. Mal:...And, dare I ask, what of Angron? Emps: Oh send Leman to talk with him. Mal:...Leman? Emps: Yup. Mal: Leman and "Talking." With ANGRON? Emps: Should be just fine.

[@JeanLucCaptain]

@@randomcenturion7264 yup the EMPEROR made some truly and unbelievably stupid moves that made no sense at the time and far less in hindsight, and essentially guaranteed the Horus Heresy. Basically #BlameTheEmperor

[@TealWolf26]

The stupid is awe inspiring. I want an imperium of knowledge and reason but I believe my subjects are too primitive and ignorant to understand high concepts and I'm going to decry the use of psykkers as "sorcery." ........Truly a paragon of virtue in the crusade against superstition. *slow clap*

[@somerandomschmuck2547]

Hmm, it always seems interesting the chaos gods ultimately went after the psychic of the family who researched his powers as much as he could, and had an understanding of them beyond simple superstitions. Makes me feel he was a priority to take out, not simply because he could have powered the golden throne (thus freeing up the Emperor and Malcador) but his approach to psychic powers was something they really didn’t want to become wide spread, let alone his approach to scholarly pursuits or society building. It’s a personal head canon that the reason planets that accepted psychers were destroyed by warp entities wasn’t because the larger number of psychers made it easier, but because they needed to kill that mentality wherever they could so they doubled their efforts there. And all those worlds with insane psychics running around, those worlds they specifically worked to drive the local psychics insane/helped them conquer their worlds as to encourage a hatred of psychics. In short, I think the Council of Nikea played out exactly the way they wanted it to.

[@motmontheinternet]

"Imagine what we will know in a thousand years and think, really think, what we are doing here" Well Magnus, I can't really say you should think so highly of the Imperium...

[@patrickdhamilton]

Magnus quoting both the Book of Revelation and his embellished retelling of Plato’s Allegory of the Cave were standout moments to me. Combined with his very accurate prediction of the future Imperium is almost eerie.

[@tonypecoraro9220]

History repeats itself because while time changes humanity does not. What's was always eerie to me was Magnus' naivete about that.

[@piotrd.4850]

Soul of Uriah Olatrie might have been close to him.

[@jamescousins9216]

I think Magnus' reaction of this whole thing being a setup was absolutely on point. The point wasn't to debate the Librarians. If it were, Sanguinius, the originator of the institution, and Jaghatai Kahn would've had to debate Mortarion and Russ. The Council of Nikaea was to close the issue of Psykers in the Legions before the Emperor could turn his gaze away from the galaxy and focus entirely upon the Webway Project. It was expedient politics, plain and simple. The naysayers would get what they wanted and psykers removed from the foremost authority outside the Imperial Household and Malcador's own networks. The proponents would suffer no further rebuke, and told to continue as they were, perhaps implicating that Sanguinius' decision to not disband his Legion's Librarians was anticipated. But to Magnus... to deny him psychic powers was to deny his own *identity*. Credit to the scriptwriting and Zegram's voice acting, I think this new response by Magnus showed the thing the Emperor worried about the most: Magnus said *he was willing to leave the Imperium* if it turned their backs on his ideas. That is where the seeds of betrayal that Horus would later cultivate into a wicked fruit were sown in Leman Russ. That is why the Emperor threatened such destruction. He would not simply cover up Magnus' failure, like the two in the Rangdan Xenocides. He would make an *example* of him, his sons, and his world. That is a far deeper wound than the limp-wristed censures applied to the World Eaters and Word Bearers. For Lorgar, the Heresy began in the ashes of Monarchia. But for the true first battle of the Heresy, the act that Horus needed to occur before the purges of Istvaan III and massacre of IV, the funeral pyre of Prospero was lit at Nikaea. The Emperor declared war on the Thousand Sons at that very moment.

[@piotrd.4850]

Well, in case Fenryka at full force and Thousand Sons on Loyalist side, without war in Webway, rebellion/Heresy might have been somewhat....short lived. Even Alpha Legion might be been truly faqed (to an extend) by Thousand Sons.

[@vukasika]

Ironic that both those Primarchs who argued for and against the inclusion of psykers fell to Chaos. It would seem that psychic powers are not in and of themselves the problem but rather the character of the wielder. All of them sons of the greatest human psyker of all time.

[@danishsyed1068]

Funny in the emperor's speech was that power corrupts huh funny in deed

[@casketbase7750]

I love the background noises in the recording of Magnus’s speech. There’s chatter from the disinterested crowd during his logistical appeals, but it fades to enraptured silence when he gets to the storytelling portion. Then when he’s done, the stadium stays quiet and reflective. A terrific contrast to the applause that ended Mortarian’s more impassioned speech.

[@EnterTheFenix]

I love how a SpaceWolf Psyker gave evidence against Psykers, and no one saw any issue with that.. GW/BL writing at its finest

[@sindrimyr5351]

it is mostly because the SW also never stopped to use their rune priests and considered (falsely) that their powers were pure and came from their homeworld.

[@Hysteresis.Actual]

To be fair, in the spirit of these sort of internal purges, hypocracy was more or less the norm. Whether or not intentional by GW, the fact that some of the accusers are guilty of the same actions they are condemning... is actually supremely believable and realistic. Condemnation for someone else doing something that the accuser also indulges in is more or less par for the course for reactionary politics.

[@absolute-focus]

@@sindrimyr5351 actually the Emperor answer that question of why he allowed Russ to continue using his Rune Priests while all others where told to stop. Its in both the Vengeful Spirit and Wolfsbane novels.

[@DeusExMachina10001]

The Emperor actually had Russ and a contingent of Sisters of Silence concealing him at Nikea just in case Magnus decided to flip out. Clearly he trusted Russ and not Magnus.

[@theshlauf]

48:17 - I love part where Oculus is accusing Magnus of altering the "true ending" to suit his needs (which TBF he probably did when he talked about the men heaping praise on the protagonist for enlightening them). While he himself seems to be confidently reciting a modified version of the story that was probably also altered to suit someone else's needs. Its a great little detail of world building and a reminder that most of our history is lost forever in the world of 40k.

[@norkimo8797]

Emperor: I'm not a god also emperor: "He shall rue the day he turned from MY LIGHT"

[@CharlesUrban]

You can have light without being a god. Grab a flashlight, then denounce anyone who isn't paying attention to you. People will think you're crazy, but that's a small price to pay for self-righteous fury.

[@UGNAvalon]

Also, as the Man(-peror) who basically singlehandedly allowed for the reunification & revitalization of mankind to take place, he kinda has the experience to back up such bold words..

[@weldonwin]

Emperor: I'm totally not a god and no one should worship me. Now Check out my golden armor and flaming sword, my city size golden flagship that is a flying cathedral and have you met my son The Angel yet?

[@kingpingu7104]

The sacred war plays in the distance: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h5C8kJ1saMStqac

[@spainball2288]

@@kingpingu7104 *The Sacred Earrape*

[@petermlatec9557]

I looked up this channel on Majorkill´s recommendation in his recent video and I owe him one beer for that.

[@OculusImperia]

As do I, for the kind shoutout!

[@odalfhilter6980]

Majorkill is a heretic oculus is a good loyal boy

[@yorneustein7851]

@@OculusImperia many words can be used to describe Majorkill and his videos, yet the word kind would not be the first or even the thousand word I would come up with . Yet indeed ,his very deed was one of kindness and benevolence

[@yible3278]

@@yorneustein7851 like magnus breaking the webway project? Or horus launching the heresy to prevent the Imperium from becoming what it did because of him?

[@Vyktym76]

Only one beer? Cheapskate :P

[@georgesulea]

This lended such pathos and weight to Nikea, to the psyker situation and to the narrative. Well Done Sir.

[@Demonica2539]

"brain barely evolved to handle their own sentence." That sounds like dirty eldar speak, the Inquisition would like to have a word with you once more historian.

[@lsamaknight]

Actually it sounded like he'd been hanging around Tech-Priests too much lately with that line.

[@TOUGHEYES]

Where do you think he got these recordings, now? Inquisitor Verity Calendris saw this acquisition take place, and had an evening throwing a seething grumble session over some Amasec, uttering such things as "Throne damn it, Oculus, you better not push it." And then she heard the Voice of The Emperor himself, and vibed in mutual awe at the conclusion.

[@riggaden4248]

Surely it is an accurate and succinct assessment of the degenerate, ignorant chattel of the 41st Millennium. Practically a kindness to imply sentience.

[@StarboyXL9]

Completely true though. However, while we are barely evolved enough to handle our own sentience, the Eldar are barely evolved enough to handle their base emotions, which makes them animals.

[@TOUGHEYES]

@@riggaden4248 interesting, although if you consider that Our Glorious Overlord never wanted an Imperium like the 41st Millennium because he contested just as much against religious orthodoxy as he did against reckless pursuit of knowledge in the darkness of The Warp, then we can assume that the very nature of mankind can stymie consciousness just as much as it enables someone to become enlightened. Magnus, and even Mortarion could not have agreed with the outcome, but the true nature of the tragedy was that they could not have had the chance to find that conciliatory middle ground and understand one another, as well as their Father. That's where the full depth of our tragedy lies.

[@gude1037]

Remember when Santa Claus punched the other bishop over a dispute... oh wait... wrong Nikea.

[@Demonica2539]

"now we know our place in the Galaxy." Hubris once again, cyclops lord

[@weldonwin]

I suppose he gets that from his father

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

I think he meant the literal place

[@OmniGSage]

@@weldonwin as do all of the primarchs for both good and ill.

[@Jeremy-rp3in]

Just think... if Nikea never happened ... Malcador would still be alive ...

[@badgamemaster]

Not only that, maybe that Alpha Legion would have failed stopping the Raptor project.

[@Jeremy-rp3in]

@@badgamemaster nah.. the Alpha Legion knew the long game, they knew that an untainted perfect copy of PURE primarch DNA was the way forward to survive. All other Legions in chaos have to recruit renegades or Democulaba ways.. tainted Gene-seed. Alpha Legion have the schematics to replicate this DNA.. i wouldn't doubt if there is an entire Legion size Loyalist "Alpha Legion" broken into chapters infiltraiting many other large legions and funneling more renegade Astartes of their own creation to assimilate into the "chaos alpha legion"

[@MultiCommissar]

Alpha Legion are already loyal, though.

[@Jeremy-rp3in]

@@MultiCommissar they are.. hence never going into the eye

[@ffejpsycho]

@@MultiCommissar alpha legion are loyal to disloyalty.

[@Legitpenguins99]

I cant believe you got the actual magnus the red to record for this video

[@inquisitorgarza312]

The Council of Nikea was by far one of the most important events that happened within the Great Crusade, and the matters spoke of during this Council between the Emperor and his Sons must have been dealt with. One must remember that during those early days of the Imperium that one of the most constant enemies that we faced were rogue psykers warlords, and many within the Imperium were questioning the usage of Psykers within the Imperium armies. Many within the Imperium remember Old Night, they remember the horrors of that terrible age where psykers run amok across the Galaxy, and plunge many planets into living nightmares. Many of the Primarchs homeworlds were planets that were affected by psykers in horrible ways, but Magnus the Red made several valid points within the Council of Nikea for the usage of psykers of not just within the Imperium military, but also others fields were they could surely do good across the Imperium territory. Shocking the hypocrisy of the Wolf King is quite immense, he argued that his Rune Priests were different from other psykers, and that they should be except from the edict, perhaps there was more than just fear of psykers within Leman perhaps here truly hated Magnus and his liberal usage of his powers, one can never truly know what happened during that Council, but we know that this event forever damned the Thousand Sons Legion to Chaos, and weaken the Imperial defenses against the immaterial.

[@absolute-focus]

It's made clear why Russ wanted the liberius stopped and why the Emperor allowed Russ to keep using his Rune Priests. The difference between a Rune Priest and a Thousand Sons Sorcerer is the Rune Priest knows when to stop. Russ is a hyoercrite but in the end its one of those hard facts where Russ is right to the point that Magnus' biggest supporters and co founders of the Liberius (Sanguinius and the Khan) agreed with Russ in the end. Leaving Magnus unchecked was a very bad idea.

[@Golmov_the_Wretched]

Russ' stance is hypocritical for sure. There's a passage somewhere were Bjorn starts to say something about it to Russ, but quickly thinks better of it and takes a different tact, which I thought was quite funny. I'm think Russ may genuinely believe it though, and there does seem to be some lore aspects that suggest he's sort of right too. The runes supposedly act like a filter, or remove the user from the effects of the warp by a step. Russ has a conversation with Jagatai about it in one of the books and compares the stormseers and rune priests favourably compared to the other legions librarius's. Ultimately though, I like how complicated Russ is. And I like that you're never quite sure if he's exactly what he seems.

[@absolute-focus]

@@Golmov_the_Wretched Russ does understand how the warp works his problem with it is the same as the Emperor's, who can be trusted with it. The Emperor let Magnus create the Liberius and did warn him about the dangers of it but only lightly which was the Emperor's mistake. But Russ wasn't wrong is saying he believed that only the Rune Priests and Stormseers of the White Scars could be trusted because they drew on the warp in a more tempered controlled way unlike most other legions and especially the Thousand Sons who jumped on head first. The only reason the Emperor let the Wolves keep using there Rune Priests and not let the White Scars is because he didn't trust The Khan and says in it the Vengeful Spirit novel that out of all the Primarchs he knew Russ would never betray him. In the end Russ believed if all the Legions drew on the warp in the same way as the Rune Priests and Stormseers he wouldn't have a problem with the Liberius and Sanguinius and The Khan (two of Magnus' biggest supporters and co founders of the Liberius) agreed with Russ and his actions on the matter.

[@swtorguy52]

"usage of psykers of not just within the imperium military" You mean ordering a drink without ordering a drink wink wink.

[@berilsevvalbekret772]

​@@absolute-focus you are obviously a Russ fanboy. Magnus through the use of those psykic powers turned Prospro into a paradise. The problem wasn't diving deep into the warp the problem was Emperor literally NEVER disclosed the true dangers to his most psykicly giften son. Until he shattered that barrier to warn the emperor Magnus wasn't even doing anything unethical. Because let me tell you Emperor wasn't squicky clean about his dealings with the Warp either. People who call Magnus arrogant seems to forget about 2/3 of the primarchs , custodes and motherfucking emperor as well. Magnus was right a lot of the time. People don't like when intelligentand powerful characters aren't humble unless its Rick Sanchez it seems. Magnus was arrogant and made many many MANY mistakes that brought his tragedy but blaming solely him while trying to wash the sins of others in his fall really grinds my gears. Magnus got continuously screwed over and scorned by many. He was unarguably one of the most humanaterian promarchs alongside Sanguinius , Vulcan and Jagathai and before that damn blade Fulgrim. Even in the Wrath of Magnus a passage about while he was slaughtering the Fenris's population a deep part of him was horrified by the basically exterminatus he was commiting for his goal but he pushed that part deep enough again so to not hear it.

[@edmundthespiffing2920]

Magnus did nothing wrong Edit: I wasn't prepared for the end. My reaction was like the historitor

[@DeathPonyy]

He was perfectly balanced

[@Wafflepudding]

*Fighting daemons in the palace* : nvm me, just cleaning all the "nothing wrong" Magnus did

[@edmundthespiffing2920]

@@DeathPonyy yyyyEeeeeeSss

[@catosicarius3262]

I Cato Sicarius must give you recognition for having Zegram reprise his role as Magnus

[@ffejpsycho]

Imagine if Magnus The Red had fallen to Barbarus, and Mortarion had fallen to Prospero? What a crazy change that would have been...

[@lordfrostwind3151]

I remember learning a lesson in church, "Reproving betimes with sharpness...and then showing forth afterwards an increase of love toward him whom thou hast reproved, lest he esteem thee to be his enemy" I think Nikea and Monarchia demonstrate this lesson tragically. Perhaps if the Emperor had taken his time to soothe the wounds of the primarchs and teach them why it had to be that way perhaps they would not have fallen into the waiting clutches of the Chaos Gods. The Primarchs for all their superhuman gifts are at the end of the day still all too human in mind.

[@o0hbomb0o]

Doctrine and Covenants section 121 has some of the best insight into effective leadership . I especially like verse 39: "We have learned by sad experience that it is the nature and disposition of almost all men, as soon as they get a little authority, as they suppose, they will immediately begin to exercise unrighteous dominion." *Cough-Inquisition-cough* But I do really like your mention of verses 43 and 44: "Reproving betimes with sharpness, when moved upon by the Holy Ghost; and then showing forth afterwards an increase of love toward him whom thou hast reproved, lest he esteem thee to be his enemy; That he may know that thy faithfulness is stronger than the cords of death." It seems remarkably strange how the Emperor, with his thousands of years of experience, didn't understand how this pronouncement would influence Magnus. I don't understand the Emperor in the books and lore; he doesn't understands cause and effect. Oh well. Flawed characters make for more interesting stories. 🤷‍♂️

[@ZeroNumerous]

Perhaps Magnus could have been saved. But Lorgar was always searching for someone to blame for the state of the world. He needed some external power, or else he would have been forced to look inward and see that he alone was responsible for Colchis.

[@lordfrostwind3151]

@@o0hbomb0o I have only recently learned just how important the information in Section 121 is for parenting as well, and my little one is still in diapers. Oh how I look forward to sympathizing with the Emperor when she's a teenager. Though I do agree, there are many circumstances where the Emperor seems to go far beyond flawed and downright into Dr Phil "what were you thinkin?!" territory, Angron probably being the most egregious.

[@lordfrostwind3151]

@@ZeroNumerous yeah Magnus had the right thoughts and motivations, just was in way over his head and wasn't getting it. Of all the traitor Primarchs Lorgar would have been extremely difficult to dissuade from the traitor path, probably the same level as Kurze and Perturabo though less difficult than Mortarion, Angron and Fulgrim after grabbing sexy frostmourne. Kurze, Perturabo and especially Lorgar needed total attitude adjustments, and that would have meant a lot more hands on work under the Emperor's supervision.

[@kelman727]

Magnus was in over his head. Holy books are worthless.

[@BillWhittleChannel]

Amazing as always. One fairly major note: the crowd noise is not only distracting; I don't get the logic of it. The most powerful creatures in the universe sound like they're in a living room corner at a cocktail party. Who dare speak when a Primarch or their Father speaks?

[@karlarden6260]

Bill Whittle I loved it. Nikaea was a very large gathering. Thousands of people speaking, debating, arguing. Some even for their place within the Imperium. As monologues progress and conclude, the people in the background go quiet, as if they are being swayed by the arguments not as they’re initially produced, but as they unfold.

[@tirollol1914]

I'm glad this video got recommended. Your Storytelling is very good and it's fun to listen to you. The Coucil of Nikea was the beginning of the downfall for the Thosand Sons

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

You're still around though, you pile of dust in a bucket.

[@SonsOfLorgar]

@@TheSmart-CasualGamer Ahzek isn't dust, none of the high level psykers of the Thousand sons are... But don't mention their tzeentchian mutations... they get a bit irate about those...

[@bodricthered]

It isn't a fall when your dad shoots you in the back of the head for no good reason...

[@Voron_Aggrav]

A powerful message that even in our time holds a solid meaning, a subject that should be kept in mind Also in a form of Dread Irony the tale Magnus spun into his favour ended up being his fate in a way, instead of the light he found madness and death Ave Imperator, Gloria in excelsis Terra

[@alphaprimus7794]

This has got to be one of the best episodes to date. The choice to invest voice acting into your episodes when such is applicable is a fantastic idea.

[@zacharyheim916]

Holy smokes! I LOVE what you did here

[@pierre-andrelecomte9384]

1:53 **SAPIENCE* is the word you probably meant there. A -worm- dog is sentient, way too many do the mistake. Sapience is the ability to think, remember and use logic. BTW this is where the _sapien_ in homo _sapien sapien_ come from. greater explanation in a comment in the reply.

[@alganhar1]

Not quite. The difference between sentience and sapience is that sentience is the ability to feel, perceive or experience subjectively. In Western Philosophy Sentience is the ability to 'feel', but not neccessarily the ability to 'think'. From a biological point of view anything with a nervous system as simple as an annelid (the group Earthworms belong to) are not in fact sentient. They have no brain, merely a collection of ganglions, thus do not have a true central nervous system controlled by a single brain (or primary brain in the case of organisms like Cephalopods). Animals with true central nervous systems do come closer to or reach sentience, and in some cases, such as Bottle Nose Dolphins, Orca's and both species of Chimpanzees arguably surpass it. Very few invertebrates are considered sentient, some Cephelapods (Octopi, squid and cuttlefish) being the only examples. Sentience is generally used in most countries as the bar for Animal Rights, animals that are considered sentient get rights, those that are not, do not. The difficulty of course is proving sentience.... EDIT: Protecting an endangered species is not protecting their rights, it is protecting their survival, there is a difference.... Though it is generally easier to gain protection of a species is Ecologists can prove said species is sentient.... We generally protect non sentient species by protecting their habitats, not the organisms themselves.... Sapience is the ability to think and act using knowledge, experience, insight, understanding and common sense. There are very few animals that approach this mark on Earth, the four I mentioned above being the closest, though others do show evidence of learning and insight, many Corvids (Crow family) for example. EVen so few other than some dolphins (Bottlenose and Orcas both being Dolphins), certain other Cetaceans (the whale family), and the Chimpanzees are the only animals that arguably approach Sapiance. Apologies, but the question 'What is Intelligence' is a pretty big one in many fields of Biology at the moment, and as you can probably work out it is both complex, and has no single answer that everyone agrees on. Rather like what is a species.... Again a question that is actually more complex than non Biologists realise, and also does not have a single answer. Look up Species Concepts if you do not believe me :)

[@pierre-andrelecomte9384]

@@alganhar1 well I have been thoroughly corrected, thank you I will replace the worm by dog in my comment and correct the definitions (in a shorter manner). when I first wrote my comment, i hesitated to put dog probably, in a true human imperium arrogance fashion, I wanted to show that we were much more than a lowly beasts and wrote worm more as a derogatory way to put it.

[@JasonQog]

@@alganhar1 well well, didn't I just get schooled. Thank you sir!

[@KimJungGooner]

Absolutely love that the TTS voice for Magnus is in this video. He's perfect!

[@horst_gott]

You're quite the daring person Oculus. You've been visited by the Inquisition before and have recieved ample warning. From the introduction alone, I fear we will never hear from this character again. It is quite the stretch to believe that these recordings from not one, but two eventual traitor primarchs are allowed to air by the Inquisition. Does anyone have a fitting theory why/ how this was even published?

[@invictarussuzerain]

Bro, it breaks my heart to hear the disappointment in your voice at your new twitter handle. My condolences to the Kaiju... :-/

[@MrTappers7]

Rejoice brothers and sisters of humanity, we have been blessed with the voice of our Master! The holiness of he who sits upon the Golden Throne, Our Shield and Protector. I bade that we all humble ourselves in jubilant supplication before the blessings of our Emperor. Ave Imperator, Gloria en Excelsius Terra Deus Imperator Vult

[@JeanLucCaptain]

THE CULT OF THE OCULUS GROWS... OCULUS SCOLASTICA DOMINATUS!

[@zanders]

"Perched are we on the edge of oblivion, screaming our last into the uncaring void and into the faces of thirsting horrors." Aww, looks like someone has a case of the Monday's.

[@danielseelye6005]

By the Emperor! "Office Space: 40K edition"

[@TealWolf26]

Me too bruh. That's a very 3k mood.

[@zenkomenhi]

I was listening to this video and suddenly Zegram as Magnus the Red comes through my headphones. Absolutely fantastic.

[@morningnapalm9963]

Magnus' speech accurately describing the Imperium in 40k. *slow clap* I still cant imagine Magnus knowing what chaos and the warp are, would become a demon prince w/o some kind of a plan. No matter how butt hurt he was over Prospero.

[@stevemanart]

"One never gets 'used' to hearing the voice of our blessed Emperor."

[@AzrealMaximus]

Ever😤

[@Baconomics1]

I love the reinterpretation of Plato's Allegory of the Cave, and the added touch of voice acting for the various excerpts is always delightful. The chronicler's musings have been hinting in the direction of the Emperor's Webway Project for a while now and I'm very excited to see where that thread leads!

[@murderouskitten2577]

i like very few 40k ytubers . But you are one of the two best. Your lore readings are superb. ( and since i am historian , i especially like the style of presentation )

[@mrsnippysnoopa8300]

It was a complete success. But the corrupted screen at the end was a lovely touch.

[@chrisprescott2273]

The entries that you present as historical document are your best ones. Highly enlightening and entertaining.

[@Solomon.R]

I'm so happy you got thr same Magnus voice actor from TTS. He's the only one I can hear when I think of Magnus.

[@MoragTong]

oculus, comrade, you by far make the most out of the source material out of all the 40k channels-people-projects-whatever. you actually make this sound "real". for a person working from lore based on a tabletop game meant to simply sell more copies, i cant think of better praise. keep up the good work, i really appreciate it!

[@ericjames8233]

Excellently written and narrated sir. One nit-pick though - I appreciate that you were trying to make Mortarian, Magnus and The Emperor sound as though they were speaking in a massive auditorium but the slap-back echo effect just didn't work. If you do something like that in future use a reverb effect. Even in Audacity you have a choice of algorithms so just pick one that comes closest to whatever 'space' you're trying to convey. I haven't checked exactly what Audacity has available but for the character's speeches something like 'Cathedral' or even 'Large Hall' would have been more effective.

[@tigermunky]

Awww...it's a shame that Mortarion's speech ended just before he said, "Yaaaar me hearties. We set sail fer the pirates coast! YAAAARRRRRR!"

[@matthewmcneany]

The only constant in the Universe is change. You know why. In your soul. Embrace His gifts, for they and our human aspirations are all we ourselves truly have.

[@cormacbyrne2210]

Hello Tzeentch. Now get the fuck off my lawn! 🤣

[@robertwebb5648]

There he is, Inquisitor! Arrest the heretic!

[@matthewmcneany]

​@@robertwebb5648 If there were no doubt in your faith brother why would what I say be Heresy?

[@odalfhilter6980]

*YESNT*

[@matiasyannuzzi9655]

Massive respect for having Magnus voiced by the same guy who voices him in TTS.

[@willdunn8846]

TTS?

[@matiasyannuzzi9655]

@@willdunn8846 Short for Text To Speech, referencing the KZbin series If The Emperor Had A Text To Speech Device, by Bruva Alphabusa

[@Hermentotip]

Magnus sounded like he was sassing a bunch of half naked, oiled custodes... and i liked it ;P

[@bladestormviking]

I want so badly, for a tape to surface of angron giving a speech at this hearing.

[@TherealSBlair]

The worst decision made by The Emperor. Edit - My compliments on having the best voice known for Magnus.

[@LEGOMANIAC419]

I love that Magnus is portrayed by his TTS voice.

[@lightxz27]

I don't know why, but despite this video being about Magnus, it's managed to push Mortarion into being my favorite Primarch.

[@jaykubisanidiot8657]

Really channeling uncle Ted in that intro statement...

[@admiraltiberius1989]

How blessed we are to hear the voice and power of our most holy Emperor. The Ordo Sinister finds Primarch Mortarion a rather foul and pathetic character. Primarch Magnus the Red King is naive and ambitious but it is in his nature as he is a Demi God. Those who can tap into the power of the Warp are dangerous but a necessary evil. We don't fear them but we will crush them under our God Machines if they turn their gifts to foul purposes.

[@StarboyXL9]

This is why the perfection of the machine is humanity's salvation. When your hormones, and thus your emotions, are regulated by implants, your flesh is not weak and soft but hard steel, and your weapons are not primitive fleshclaws but glorious metal blades and energy weaponry, and your mind sheltered from physical harm by metal and from psychological harm by faith, the universe is truly your oyster. PRAISE BE TO THE OMNISSIAH!

[@cesarespinozaspain]

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[@akantor0811]

weird hearing morty saying all that about small steps corrupt knowing how he ends up XD

[@bigbangrafa8435]

Mortarion is very righteous for a guy who would one day stood with those who follow the same ruinous powers he denounces, and today is a fucking Warp Spawn himself. What a hypocrite. And Magnus managed to change Plato's Myth of the Cave amazingly, cutting of the part in which they brutally kill the guy after he returned from the outside, since his message was too much for them. That's really fitting for the type of character Magnus is. But the fact that the same guy who voices Magnus here is also voices him in TTS for Alfabusa completly break the vídeo for me. I was laughing my ass off at the moment he started speaking, maybe that's why he didn't convinced anyone on the council, I mean, would you?

[@bgcvetan]

You shoud see Fulgrim before he became rapist.

[@twenty-fifth420]

He probably convinced some people, but not the most important, The Emperor. Also, It could be right before or after, the Kahn and Angel wanted to save the librarius project aith Magnus, and the Librarius are not a failure if they exist now… Magnus sounds kind of special pleady because he knows it is a tall argument. If he and the Imperium knew about the Chaos Gods, I can see the lore going one way or the other for how much easier/harder it would be for Magnus to argue but alas… I would say at this, Magnus was the Naive Optimist, and now he is the Pessimist Surrealist…thanks Emperor!

[@sieg5857]

These are such fantastic works of art and delivery of the lore of 40k. If I were in a position of power at games workshop, I would hire you for some marketing initiative.

[@danielcharnock2854]

Omg the voice of magnus is the same voice from tts damn that's detail... Bravo!!!

[@roryokane5907]

So I’ve just discovered this channel. I thought Magnus sounded familiar… holy Throne, it’s TTS Magnus. That’s AWESOME. And the Emperor as well! Also… the fact that Magnus is using Plato’s allegory of the Cave as a reference is just… awesome (not read any of the HH stuff, so this was unexpected).

[@leopoldjenkins]

This was masterful. Absolute joy to listen to

[@REA987]

So, Mortarion the Useless fails to bring bunch of caveman into submission, then proceeds to blame psykers for that. How unsurprising... I wonder if the Emperor knew the correct version the Magnus' story; hence ruled against usage of psykers among astartes ranks as a punishment for him for altering the story. That might mean Magnus trifled with the Emperor's knowledge of history and literature which was caught immediately.

[@dantejones1480]

The psyker. A weapon, a tool, a creator, a destroyer, a miracle, a catastrophe. All these things are and are not the psyker, praised and despised, cheered and hissed at, loved and loathed, worth beyond a planet's core worth of gold and diamond, or worth less than even a dead desert world, the psyker is basically "a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma".

[@cianwalsh9137]

Zegram is truly Magnus for me, the voice is perfect. I rewatch this occasionally just to hear him speak as the crimson king

[@GaryWilliamsJr]

Perfectly captured Magnus's arrogance.

[@emilianocaprili4160]

The Mortarion speech seems written for the ones who think the superior good they pursue justifies the evil they do; like if it were a necessary evil.

[@jamesclark7448]

Dam. This really is top shelf stuff. Bravo Oculus. BRAVO!

[@ClydeC]

42:58 for a moment there I thought I was watching TTS

[@raphael5225]

You got the real Magnus!

[@JP.109]

awesome content to finish off to on a friday shift. cheers Oculus

[@1KosovoJeSrbija1]

Left out the part where Magnus got addicted to lamp oil.

[@TeutonicKnight92]

I like to think the emperor knew Magnus changed the story and that was the final nail

[@rustyshackleford17]

What baffles me most is that the Emperor already had his plan to use Magnus for the webway.

[@FoundingChambers]

Super freaking enjoyable!!!!! I was sooo happy to see an hour long video from the Oculus. Really well crafted completely pulls you into the lore. Loved Mortarion's speech 🤘😁🤘

[@OculusImperia]

Thanks a mil!

[@rodneykelly8768]

On one side of the argument, is Mortarion, on the other is Magnus. Both now serve the dark powers. What was the true purpose of Nikea?

[@AzrealMaximus]

To keep the Primarchs and their legions in the dark till he completed his webway project.

[@caseymay5449]

Ironic Mortarion talking about small steps to drakness.

[@UGNAvalon]

55:21 - It’s details like these that make me love the historator character all the moreso, and your presentation of such a character, 😘👌 Flawless!! Also, worry not chronicler! For at 51:55 , it is clear that even the Machine Spirits can do nought but be in awe upon hearing the words of their Omnissiah! Doubtless this spirit is most humbled upon receiving the holy position of receiving & protecting such words within its lowly circuits, as mine own ears & brain have been humbled upon hearing & memorizing such divine sound!

[@mateuszmarkucik8013]

I must admit that I LOVE the intro. The intros to the stories told by the Historitor are always a highlight of the records, but this time it sunk in me. Thank you, Historitor. May He upon the Golden Throne bless you more and more.

[@Calistarius79]

Once again a great video. Very well made Oculus, looking forward to your future work here as always. :) And well done Zegram, Menko, and The Kunked Slump, as well for yourr contrinution to the video. :)