The Edmonton Oilers Made a MASSIVE Mistake…

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@GravitehHockey 10 ай бұрын

The Philip Broberg experiment in Edmonton seems to be coming to an end... What are YOUR thoughts on Broberg? Is he a BUST? And will we see a TRADE? I'd LOVE to hear YOUR thoughts! #GravGang #RoadTo75kSUBS

@nolankuffner3573 10 ай бұрын

It's tough to call a player a bust when they sort of give him time when the entire team is crapping the bed. But when they start playing better, it's a short leash and nothing but bench riding. He was never going to be an offensive dynamo, and his +- is actually pretty good, considering how Edmonton's run and gun style ends up burning out D men and goalies. Like, they're the kings of the powerplay.. and giving up odd man rushes, meaning they need to score 3-5 goals to win, while teams with better defense (like Boston, Colorado, the Rangers, and VERY RECENTLY Minnesota) only really need 2-3. It's a double edged sword and not a system that a guy like Broberg is going to learn in practice. Because Edmonton is so young, their game is very reactionary and their communication issues don't help. Of the Canadian teams, the Oilers are the most talented offensively but probably 6-7th for defensive prowess. Skinner has managed to adapt, but until Edmonton plays a smarter, more balanced game, they're still going to have terrible skids and blowout losses. And teams like Vegas, Colorado, and Vancouver are basically always going to cause them fits.

@AshLee-jb1kh 4 ай бұрын

Video aged like milk. Both Holloway and Broberg are looking like studs in this playoff run. Graviteh should do some research before making videos. The Oilers have been slow developing D-men for many years now and its paying off huge. Bouchard has turned into a generational D-man. Vinny D went from 7th overall pick to someone who can play Top4 Minutes in the League with highly sought after physicality. Broberg was sent down to the AHL where he proved he was the best defenceman in the AHL.

@ValhallaRaven 10 ай бұрын

The reason he was drafted so high was because apparently Holland was targeting Seider for Edmonton, but when Yzerman grabbed Seider..Holland panicked and grabbed who he thought was the next best defenseman.

@matthewly7919 9 ай бұрын

thats why our last picks over the years have been horrible cause holland is the worst GM to have

@tallesttreeintheforest 10 ай бұрын

Broberg went so high because he had two good tournaments in Hlinka and U18s in his draft year. he should have been a late 1st round pick. but Edmonton has done this consistently in the Mcdavid era, they draft on needs.. "oh this Puljujarvi guy can play with mcdavid".. "oh this Broberg guy can play on the PP with mcdavid".. i dont think Broberg has the processing mind to stick around in the NHL.

@thefutfounder9589 10 ай бұрын

Another great video Brother! Fantastic analysis. Love the breakdown as I’m not in that market so it gives us some context.

@nickoliveira5938 10 ай бұрын

I think Broberg for Soderstrom from Arizona makes sense. Both Swedish D-men who havent lived up to the hype

@Zarion106 10 ай бұрын

Holloway is waaayy worse for me. He's constantly buzzing on the ice and he looks so good, but for some reason there are things that just aren't working yet and it hasn't turned to production. That is 1000% on the oilers training staff. I am fully confident that kid on maybe 20 other teams would be producing at a top 9 level MINIMUM. He looks like he could be a legit top 6 guy.

@IcyRobb 10 ай бұрын

Couldn’t agree more. I would love to see him on another team.

@brandonbreitkreuz1549 10 ай бұрын

holloway has been hurt pretty much since his draft day

@dfnsmn1411 6 күн бұрын

Not so sure this will age too well. Only six games in with new team, but that skating is more than elite. Oilers didn't show any confidence in him, dmen take a long time to develop, and flat out oilers didn't play him. He could still crash and burn in STL, but man it looks brutal for oilers, especially with the horrible Nurse contract

@eliaminator2313 10 ай бұрын

I don't think it was a bad pick the Oilers just can't develop dmen luckily for the Oilers they really only missed on Boldy, Caufield, and Harley so not the end of the world its certainly not the reason they aren't winning cups yet every team has misses

@CzarrIV 10 ай бұрын

Oilers can’t develop SHIT!! Only good things that have come out of their drafting is the obvious

@michaelb5119 10 ай бұрын

Zegras? Also ken holland has only had misses drafting in edmonton. Seriously go look at his draft history its really bad

@eliaminator2313 10 ай бұрын

@@michaelb5119 he's fine but there's 0 chance Edmonton would've developed him into anything

@michaelb5119 10 ай бұрын

@eliaminator2313 I mean thats just speculation. Imagine him on mcdavids wing

@premiereent 10 ай бұрын

Totally agree. Knoblauch is also going 12-6 instead of the whacky 11-7. It's not a bad pick... That's a click bait statement. He's still young.

@forfuxakes6814 10 ай бұрын

Broberg has no one to blame but himself.when opportunity knocks he won’t answer the door. Given his play is why he is not getting much ice time,when he does get shifts he turns the puck over way to much… Bye Bro👋

@AshLee-jb1kh 4 ай бұрын

@asci1732 10 ай бұрын

He’s played the fifth most for all dmen in his draft class at the NHL level. He has played with Eckholm and was given a fantastic opportunity there. If him and his agent feel he needs to be a top pair somewhere he needs to check what all top 6 dmen deliver in the NHL. He is not it. Best of luck to him but he’s not ready. He was pretty much given the 6th spot to start the season but unfortunately the cap and the overall teams performance didn’t work out and he paid the price and was sent down. Bouchard was drafted the year before him at around the same spot and he is “mentioned” in Norris discussions and plays about 19 mins a game. This is one of those times the player needs to show more and complain less.

@Tribuneoftheplebs 10 ай бұрын

Trade Kulak and give Broberg more minutes. I'd rather have the guy with more potential

@mahockey3 10 ай бұрын

Lol

@GrillVogel 10 ай бұрын

Oilers are in “win now” mode. I’d agree otherwise, if the circumstances were different.

@jrock4525 10 ай бұрын

Haha. Dumbest thing I’ve heard all year.

@owenposer6720 10 ай бұрын

Oilers are in win now mode. Broberg needs lots more development, and when he has gotten an opportunity to play, he hasn’t done much. Kulak is very good now, I’d rather give him the mintues

@MapleLeafsMike 10 ай бұрын

Oilers are "win now" 😂😂😂

@tylerkulczycki6707 10 ай бұрын

Broberg is right to be pissed we don’t play him at all yet we complain about not having d. At least he has upside which is more than u could ever say for a guy like desharnais

@danielnam9026 10 ай бұрын

Desharnais has been pretty good for what the Oilers currently want out of him. Broberg’s upside is only good for developing teams not for a team that’s looking to win now.

@G17_Saint 10 ай бұрын

Broberg is a offensive Defenceman who is a liability defensively (the kid literally has been turnstyled every game he’s played consistently nhl wise) you gonna take Bouchard out and hope Brobergs better? Or nurse? Cause guess what that’s the only two offensive dman slots in the d core

@picklenik9658 10 ай бұрын

I think this is a pretty cold take for the simple fact the 2019 draft has been pretty stinky as a whole. There’s like maybe 10-12 guys from 2019 who’re actually better than Broberg. Like Broberg at 8 sounds bad, but genuinely name me 15 other guys from the 2019 draft you’d rather have?

@CzarrIV 10 ай бұрын

As long as the current drafting/development staff is still employed… we’ll never have a good team.

@halmartin7417 10 ай бұрын

Laffo. Traded Bear, "They made a mistake " - not in the league. Traded Caleb Jones, "They made a mistake" -3rd pairing barely in the league. Traded Pool Party "They made a mistake" - No longer in the league. Everyone is so quick to dump on the Oilers and call their players trash, yet they move on and dipshits with a camera in thier mom's basement say they made a mistake. Maybe... just maybe they recognize they need to move on from these bottom hole players.

@jerryjay-vv6wu 10 ай бұрын

those "bottom hole players" are people you drafted, and apparently "are not in the league". so what you are saying is the scouting staff is horrible? Cause i couldn't agree more.

@halmartin7417 10 ай бұрын

@@jerryjay-vv6wu Sure. Drafted shit. That's not what these plugs are saying. They're saying it's a mistake from moving on. Did you think it was a mistake in the Oilers moving on with Jones Bear and JP?

@bht824 10 ай бұрын

He needs to go to a team that’s willing to let him make mistakes. Or have a defensemen to cover his mistakes. Edmonton needs to send him to the farm.

@KptKrunch9481 10 ай бұрын

That's true - Oilers aren't in a position to allow someone to 'find his game' at the NHL level like Bouchard did a few years ago as they are in win now mode, that coupled with the fact that the Defense has been healthy for the past year and a half doesn't help any either.

@eliaminator2313 10 ай бұрын

Broberg couldve been Edvinsson. Edvinsson was raw really liked him his draft year and just like Broberg there were a lot of questions now Edvinsson hasnt broken in yet but he looks much better

@CzarrIV 10 ай бұрын

Broberg plays decent every time I’ve watched him play.. it’s just that Desharnais is actually decent this year.

@G17_Saint 10 ай бұрын

Vinny plays DEFENSIVE hockey which is what the bottom pair is needed for Broberg is a excellent OFFENSIVE play style dman the problem is your third pair guy who’s supposed to shutdown the opposition shouldn’t be having more turn overs and goals against then passes or possessions

@Habsfan56744 10 ай бұрын

Just knowing Kent Hughes he loves the 2019 draft and reclamation projects but no I don’t think the habs need him at all

@MatzeMB85 10 ай бұрын

Broberg is just another example of a promising player treated like crap. Doesn't matter what you pick if your development system suck. You need to turn the draft in to more of a lottery than it already is.

@G17_Saint 10 ай бұрын

The condors development is great my guy Brobergs just not what the oilers need he’s a offensive dman who blows dick at defence they’re only openings on the d core are bottom pair which is the shutdown pair so it’s illogical

@4u2nvHock3y 10 ай бұрын

Hes not a bust. He needs a change.

@lauig 10 ай бұрын

If GMs are smart they'll evaluate about him what MTL could do with Lindstrom. He did not have the best camp nor the best first games of the season after his trade out of Detroit, and MTL still is in rebuilt with lower expectations than cup-contending teams, ok, but now after only a dozen games played Gustav has not only secured himself in the lineup, after a very solid improvement to his game, he's now started playing top pair along Matheson. Which is a feat no one (save maybe Grant McCagg) would've ever imagined when his move was announced. Proof when a player does not feel he's in the best place grow his confidence he cannot truly perform, get him to an environment he feels much better in next and you'll soon see him strive.

@naturalbornthriller9025 10 ай бұрын

Grav, what about Morgan Frost for Broberg?! 🤝

@danmac9336 10 ай бұрын

Philly doesn't consider that.

@Teag_Dev 10 ай бұрын

Victor Soderstrome for Broberg

@mikes7446 10 ай бұрын

RNH is a bust

@GrillVogel 10 ай бұрын

Lol ok

@debroselle8877 10 ай бұрын

What you talkin bout Willis?🤦

@tomp6879 10 ай бұрын

Not a bust but not the player he was projected. He's a decent 2nd/3rd liner. But I dont blame him. I blame the system that keeps drafting all these high draft picks and then turns them into "busts". On a team with a decent development program a lot of these players would have hit their potential.

@neverheardofyou 10 ай бұрын

Avarage Oilers draft pick

@user-iz3gv5vo6b 10 ай бұрын

Really? A petty I told knew that this kid would be a bust video? Really? So you gonna say that you knew that he would get injured a lot as well, right? Give the kid a break. Even today he's only 22 and that's not old for a D-man. Sure, Edmonton has poor drafting and developing, but are you going to say that you knew that Puljujarvi would need hip surgery and then double hip surgery by the time he turned 25?

@gen-xlaughs 10 ай бұрын

Broberg isn't going to play ahead of Nurse, Ekholm, or Kulak. He just doesn't look good on his off side. Look at the Oilers defense in 2019 and you can see why they took a defenseman but unfortunately after Byram and Seider the draft was a bust for D

@eliaminator2313 10 ай бұрын

Broberg for Turcotte maybe?

@dave2sick 10 ай бұрын

Kings are still high on Turcotte, i don’t think they consider trading him unless it’s for a playoff piece.

@NoahCollins-y6g 10 ай бұрын

The number one mistake Edmonton Oilers did was only focused on his defensive aspects of the game they didn't focus at all on his offensive until this last year but the kid has a good offense skill set on his own for me back then I hated the pic but now that I've watched over the years I think this is a case where the wrong team drafted him not the wrong overall if another team selected him in the same spot I think his development would have went a lot quicker like for example who's developed some pretty good defenseman lately LA Kings look at mat ray he was supposed to be just a 7th defenseman now he's a pretty good one if he went to LA he would probably be that defenseman by now

@powwowken2760 10 ай бұрын

I hope the guy can get the same result as Rasmus Sandin who went from being constantly cycled around and completely untrusted in Toronto to a 23 minute a night top pairing guy in Washington. Now sure, maybe that says more about Washington's current roster of Defensemen than it does about Sandin, but I can't help thinking that sort of change will make a massive difference in Sandin's development and future career.

@shanea885 10 ай бұрын

I think trading Brett Kulak would be great but for the people against it saying “win mode” honestly don’t you know can trade Cody Ceci+Brett Kulak (combined $6M together) for High end RHD to help Darnell Nurse’s game and both can EAT 25+ minutes together which would help balance ice time and how they can help Broberg exceed FAST be impact in the lineup game in & game out

@danielnam9026 10 ай бұрын

This isn’t Walmart where you go down the “high end” RHD aisle and pick up that player. In order for a trade to occur you need 2 willing GMs to negotiate said transaction. Which GM is going to give up a high end RHD to the Oilers? And who is that player? Trading 2 experienced defensemen in Kulak and Ceci to get 1 upgrade on D is silly asset management. You’ve replaced 1 D but created another glaring hole in the roster.

@nolankuffner3573 10 ай бұрын

I'll leave this here.. In the same draft year, just one season removed from his supposed 'breakout' campaign, Dylan Cozens has regressed MASSIVELY and I'd argue is one of the biggest reasons the Sabres not only miss the playoffs but do so by AT LEAST 10 points. Cozens and a journeyman D for Broberg, Gagner, and a pick. Both teams could use a change, let's be real here. Or keep the pick and Gagner and put Kane up instead. (Though he's been top 3 in playoff scoring for Edmonton every post-season, so maybe not 😂)

@seabass7788 10 ай бұрын

Why would they play a kid that hasn’t proved anything to earn those minutes? His junior numbers aren’t anything great either

@jonbenjisnomore7935 10 ай бұрын

Skinner, Holloway, Bouchard McCleod are all Oilers drafts picks in the line up.

@icecoldpolitics8890 10 ай бұрын

And Minnesota Wild fans complained about Marco Rossi not being ready last year lol.

@natev580 10 ай бұрын

The thing is, there are just better options on the Edmonton blue line right now. Broberg hasn't stood out in any meaningful way in any of his games played over the past couple years. Unless you count stepping on a stick and falling on his ass to be meaningful. Even watching him, it's like he's afraid to actually get involved in the play on the ice. Maybe because every time he does, he ends up in the penalty box... But that I think is a failure on the coaching staff, not the player.

@combsalex2361 10 ай бұрын

Here the thing the oilers don't have good development. You look at like coyotes for example. All these players everyone gave up on. Have proven to be really good For example Conner Ingram Darcy keumper Travis Boyd Alexander kerfoot I could go on

@WilliamMale-hi7hi 10 ай бұрын

As a habs fan i feel like we might be better at drafting than Edmonton but not by a lot but still bottom 3 in the league at drafting.

@MapleLeafsMike 10 ай бұрын

💩 > Oilers

@gregszymanski3978 10 ай бұрын

Burn that jersey

@CSIS25 10 ай бұрын

To be honest i never herd of Philip Broberg before lol

@GrillVogel 10 ай бұрын

Broberg and a second for MacKenzie Blackwood?

@danielnam9026 10 ай бұрын

Why would the Oilers overpay for Blackwood? He has negative value.

@mrgumdrops5 10 ай бұрын

Trade broberg. Easy decision. You trade a pick and broberg for a good D who wants to win a cup and not just play a couple more games.

@Whiteizrite 10 ай бұрын

No player wanting a cup is heading to Edmonton

@mrgumdrops5 10 ай бұрын

@ZZ-950 so original

@mikeyyy4111 10 ай бұрын

i feel like we need a goalie more than a defenseman.

@combsalex2361 10 ай бұрын

I think coyotes have best development when cychren was here he was good. When Mike Smith was here he was good

@TurdFerguson92 10 ай бұрын

Idl why the devils would give up holtz unless their getting some picks above his value. Him and Mercer are thrown around alot like they should just give them away

@Charbo84 10 ай бұрын

Looks like Kent Hughes kinda player to trade for

@Sean-bf3lh 10 ай бұрын

Edmonton has always made pooer decisions on draft day

@TheCheesewalrus 10 ай бұрын

to call this a MASSIVE MISTAKE is the only massive mistake here. He's been ok but wasn't ever going to be a gamechanger so if it isn't a fit I wish him well elsewhere.

@tomp6879 10 ай бұрын

Broberg isnt that bad. The Oilers' development system is bad. With the exception of a couple cant-miss picks like McDavid and Draisatl, most of their picks have consistently hit lower than projected. One of the biggest being Yakupov. But also Reinhart, Nurse isnt that great, Nugent-Hopkins hasnt been what was projected, Bouchard, etc. Something is just wrong in Edmonton and has been for decades really.

@danielnam9026 10 ай бұрын

Inept management at every level in the organization.

@Aprine44 10 ай бұрын

Tbl trades hayden Fluery for him. That might be interesting

@mikes7446 10 ай бұрын

Deadmonton Coilers

@MH-jv8ns 10 ай бұрын

soiLers

@nicholasmarshall8430 10 ай бұрын

Wallstedt for Broberg

@JessicaMurphy-d5k 10 ай бұрын

You're just reading names acting like they're something 🤣

@MH-jv8ns 10 ай бұрын

hahahha

@mahockey3 10 ай бұрын

Broberg has been wasted with the Oilers. He has all the tools but he either gets time in the press box or gets 8 minutes a night on his off-hand. He should've been traded a year ago when it was clear he wouldn't beat anyone out on the left side. Edit: I definitely don't think he was drafted too high. He's just been so mishandled. But Holland was going to pick Sieder at 8th and when he was (surprisingly hecause he was projected 15th) picked by StevieY, they just went with Broberg but didn't have a proper plan for him.