The Electric RX Isn't Quite The EV Of Your Dreams | 2023 Lexus RZ 450e First Drive Review

[@payrocoin]

Brian went from Alex's protégé to his doppelgänger.

[@joshuaychung]

Brian looks like a scaled down version of Alex.

[@rodoherty1]

Yeh, I thought Alex was doing a skit where he starts talking to himself but then I realised it _wasn't_ Alex that he was talking to.

[@CandycaneBeyond]

😂

[@kevinpenfold1116]

That gauge cluster is comically small and terrible. Classic Toyota.

[@Curryolla]

As someone who owns an RX450h and a Tesla Model Y, there is no way I'd get the RZ. Much rather have my Model Y!

[@scientistguy]

What do you prefer about the model Y?

[@Curryolla]

@@scientistguy Range, efficiency (especially in winter with the heat pump), driving experience/dynamics (acceleration, braking, cornering, steering ratio), space, technology (software, FSD beta), supercharger network (more chargers, easier experience, nicer handle design from CCS), price (cheaper and tax credit), integration to my home solar and Powerwall. I'm sure I can name a few more. Plenty of issues with my Y too (build quality, road noise). But, the pros massively outweigh the cons.

[@johnclaeys376]

“There’s a butt for every seat!”

[@amirmoradi9595]

Another lackluster, half attempt from Toyota for an EV.

[@alliejr]

With the exception of the moonshot original Prius... ALL Toyota/Lexus models are conservative executions of "car". Toyota doesn't seek 500 miles range in a battery that won't last 5 years... they prefer a 15 year battery guaranteed for 10.

[@yidingzhou5344]

@@alliejr don’t think the lackluster of range is a trade off for longevity. It’s just a proof of low efficiency from Toyota’s e drivetrain.

[@nexusebtuoy]

Another great superior great car ,only 4 REAL car connoisseurs .

[@nxtphone4696]

not bad for toyotas first EV but competition like tesla, hyundai, etc have mastered EV.

[@mynameIan]

Utterly uninspiring vehicle. I own a Lexus and won’t be buying another. Why would you spend additional money when the non luxury car market has all the amenities a reasonable person would need?

[@SaltyProductionsHD]

226 miles of range? Pass. Completely unusable in winter climates after temperature-related range drop.

[@nothere572]

It's 196 miles on the higher trim too, with subpar charging AC and DC. 6.6kw AC is pathetic for a car this expensive and 150kw is ok but Toyota charge curves are notoriously bad.

[@FuncleChuck]

“Completely unusable” is a personal opinion. Maybe if you need more than 150 miles and can’t charge mid-trip? That’s almost impossibly rare for me, personally.

[@benjaminsmith2287]

The big news about this car is the drive by wire implementation and just how well Lexus did it. This is the one I want to see you drive. The other news is the radiant heating. I don't geek out over range. I still want to know the primary way the car acts and I think this is the best Lexus SUV on the market in terms of how it drives and feel. Or at least it sounds that way after a bunch of driving impressions I've watched. I'd avoid the 20 inch tires. Too big and take away range while the 18s have more ride comfort. Otherwise, it's a nice car. If you need range, then this isn't your car. But if you don't, then this should be driven and I think some are too hung up on numbers. Cars are way more than their numbers.

[@naveenthemachine]

Who cares about how it drives? It’s fwd. it won’t drive like a civic type R.

[@benjaminsmith2287]

@@naveenthemachine Who cares how it drives? Many people who are considering buying it. And they aren't looking for Civic Type R qualities. That you bring up the Civic Type R is odd.

[@nothere572]

The range sucks, charging speed isn't great, costs too much, the yoke is a gimmick doesn't matter if its "done better" here, made by a company that notoriously doesn't like BEVs, why would you want this over the competition?

[@benjaminsmith2287]

@@nothere572 The range doesn't "suck." Who says on high that range has to be some particular number? I don't give "range," the big buzzword everyone is throwing around, more importance than I do a fundamentally sound car. It has enough range, enough performance, enough tech and I don't care if the competition has more range. This car is not as heavy as most BEVs, seems to have the Lexus experience of quietness and refinement down when driven on sensibly sized tires, has as close to a gimmick free interior that I've seen on a BEV while using sustainable materials. Why would I take this car over the competition? The dealer experience, the Lexus qualities that make a trip in a Lexus the relaxing, calm, quality experience it is. You guys have it in your heads that they don't like BEVS when Lexus has said they want to go all BEV by 2030. Their new CEO has said they're putting BEV development on a fast track. So maybe it is your negative attitude that is judging the car rather than trying to look at what some would desire in this car, you put up all your negatives and dismiss it. It is a way better car than you claim it to be.

[@nothere572]

@@benjaminsmith2287 Lmfao seems you’re a Lexus fan. 196-220 miles of range is not acceptable in a family luxury crossover that costs $60k. The Lyriq is the same price and it gets 312 miles, the Q4 e-tron is $10k less and has 265 miles. Both are from luxury brands. Range is not a buzzword lol, it’s a very important buying decision with BEVs, and when it comes to this RZ it’s garbage. To put salt on the wound it has pathetic 6.6kW on board charging when a $26k Bolt EV has 11kW on board charging, and the 150kW charging curve is subpar too. The low range might be ok if it was like the GV70 and had very fast charging (although the GV70 still manages to have more range lmao) You can find cars from other manufacturers that have all the benefits that the Lexus has like the smooth quiet relaxing ride, and also don’t suck at being an electric car and have good charging and range. This car is truly DOA and most people who buy it are probably blindly loyal to the Lexus brand and haven’t even looked at the superior options from basically every other competitor, similar to the bZ4X. Also, that whole “Lexus is going all BEV by 2030” is a backpedal from Toyota after they figured out hydrogen is not good for passenger vehicles and continuing to make hybrids won’t save them, they’re still reluctant towards BEVs, have you not seen their countless donations to anti-ev policies and politicians? I wouldn’t be surprised if that Lexus is going full BEV by 2030 is an empty promise. Their previous ceo was also not a fan of BEVs, to the point where they had to fire him, partially because they know they’re in trouble, but there’s still an anti-bev sentiment inside Toyota that is stronger than most other companies like Hyundai, VW, GM, Volvo, Ford, Mercedes, etc. They’re at the very least 5 years behind majority the competition in terms of BEV tech, and producing crap EVs getting 196 miles of range with mediocre charging for $60k in 2023 isn’t going to close the gap any faster

[@nimab8935]

I use one pedal drive in my Mustang Mach E and I love it!! Not offering it is a deal breaker for me. I also turn off all fake noises

[@mark_u]

A little over 300hp is enough as reviews have shown that the high-spec GV60 doesn't really put down all that power too well. No problem with the lack of a frunk, as well, but the absence of a glovebox is just ridiculous. The dismal range and charging speeds hurts a lot too. And what's the logic behind the digital driver's display that seems to have been lifted straight from a Corolla when the RAV4 and Highlander could be had with something more appropriate for a luxury brand?

[@Gautamiyer2]

meh. I can't recall the glovebox ever being useful in my 25+ years of driving. The range is comparatively poor, but just fine for 95% of drivers 95% of the time, so I feel like that's overblown as well.

[@rainretribute9852]

​@@Gautamiyer2yup. Most of these people are regurgitating what their phone and "critics" posers say

[@L3x4Pr0ne]

Looks all around are pleasing to me. Interior is perfectly fine. It’ the lackluster range and charging that spoils this as a viable solution. There are so many other cars, EVs included, that have done it better. I just can’t see why anyone would choose this car, the BZ, nor the solterra.

[@thedavidibu]

Reliability is the main reason, 3-5 years later and your RZ and BZ would still be working as intended but i cannot say the same for other brands

[@arnegerhardsen3755]

Hello Alex. In Norway we have got a upgraded models both for bz4x and rz450e now in 2024. In Norway you can have 11 Kw if you want for both bz4x and RZ, but in the new way of pricing electricity in Norway it's more costly to use an 11 Kw charger instead of 6 Kw. But I don't understand why someone would like other than 18" wheels with all the advantages 18"give you. In Norway the the price difference from the cheapest RZ Comfort to the Executive model is quite small, and there you will have all the equipment needed includet laminated glass around and extra insulation in the doors, sides and the floor. And it's a quite silent car. The wltp range of 440 km is enough for much people, and like the battery industry are until we will have solid state it's more invironmently friendly not to use too big batteries. And most people are buying Lexus because of the service level, the warranty at 10 years /200.000 km both for Toyota and Lexus. We have never needed others than normal service and maintanence. Together with good second hand prices, relatively good riding comfort, safety and high service level, the reliability is the main reasen for us buying these brands. In a car with right safety level for my family I would rather have yesterday's screens that not vather me, than a lot of electronics making fuss and steeling my time and money. Everything with these brands that we need have showed that it's proven.

[@johnclaeys376]

Drove this yesterday. In a word….WOW! If you can manage the lower range, this is the best EV on the market. It has the best ride quality of ANY out there. And, of course, very quiet, Lexus quality.

[@ryancraig2795]

Underwhelming... Also, does Toyota employ any designers or stylists?

[@axion8788]

Why would anyone buy this over an EV6, Ioniq5, X40 Recharge, GV60, Mach-e or even a Tesla? A ridiculous offering on so many levels.

[@naveenthemachine]

People who are so dumb to think Lexus is better than any other brand in existence

[@MadMadOne]

Why not?

[@DS-bk8rf]

60k for a 200mile range car?? 😂😂

[@naveenthemachine]

@@DS-bk8rf and only 300hp 😂

[@capcom4eva]

Not to mention unnecessary stuff like the panoramic high tech roof that drives up the price & is costly to repair.

[@MTNRanger]

Good point on home charging. A NEMA 14-30 provides all I need and just need to charge twice a week. I also have a NEMA 14-50 but never really need 40A charging.

[@willnye9788]

That's what I was thinking to do too or for hotels as well. An adapter would be all necessary without an actual charging station. Plug-in one end to a regular outlet and have the adapter do the rest plugged into a charger cable.

[@MTNRanger]

@@willnye9788 Yes, it would be much cheaper to just install 20+ outlets than 3 or 4 charging stations.

[@willnye9788]

@@MTNRanger indeed would be way more convenient. When I get an EV I'm going to have purchased a NEMA 5-15/5-20 plug adapter so I could just charge anywhere there is a standard outlet.

[@CandycaneBeyond]

Not to mention the cost. I was quoted $4000 to bring an dedicated line to my garage for the charging.

[@joetacchino4470]

Alex, I don't get your continued comments about the "crash structure" being the reason that these manufacturers not offering a frunk. Porsche, Audi (R8), Lamborghini, Ferrari, Acura (NSX) and other mid-engined cars all offer a full frunk as they are mid- or rear-engined. Yes those are sports cars and unlikely to be hauling retaining wall blocks, but they still face the same exact issue (trunk with unknown contents in the crash zone). Do they just reinforce the area more? Or simply say "screw it, it passed the test when empty"?

[@FuncleChuck]

Mid engine cars are, quite obviously, not 2-ton BEVs. They’re also wildly limited production and built to completely different crash standards (if they even require them at all - many low-volume luxury cars are not crash tested)

[@rocketrollsvlogs7625]

This car is more luxurious than many of the other ev in considering. I think it's enough range for me as I have access to chargers. Golf bags, and roller bags... all the stuff I care about.

[@EVBuyersGuide]

Good to hear you've narrowed down your search, is this your first electric? -Travis

[@rocketrollsvlogs7625]

I think i will just go with a Lexus 450h (plug-in) for now and wait for the solid state batteries. @@EVBuyersGuide

[@whynotthinkwhynot-]

I will definitely be utilizing higher AC L2 charging speeds at my house- but that is because of the situation in which I live. No garage, and a high theft area. I have installed cameras because my fear is that someone will run up and just steal the J1772 cord in order to scrap the wire, and get a carton of cigarettes or a case of cheap beer. Now for some real information that might help someone else in the same situation. My situation will be utilizing a temporary plug-in. This increases the electrical installation cost. I have been an electrician for 30 years, so here goes what I think and what the code says. NEC states that all outside receptacles, including garages, must be GFCI protected. AC L2 EV chargers max out at 40a or 9.6 kwh in this configuration. This is because of the 50 amp rating for the receptacle. NEC says that any load which is operated for more than 3 hours is considered a continuous load. Continuous loads must have the whole circuit ampacity increased by 125%. Therefore a 50 amp receptacle is only good for 40 amps continuous. The same goes with wire- but I would suggest that very few electricians are going to advise larger than #6 wiring. In hotter climates, I would advise #4, or reducing the charge rate one step during hot weather. Electrical current, amps, produces heat, and ambient temperature affects any exposed circuit. The result is not always a breaker that trips over time, but degradation of the wiring insulation leading to a big fail eventually. The receptacles used are not designed to be plugged and unplugged regularly. I will have to do that. If you need to for your application, then definitely know your own equipment- and replace those receptacles with a Bryant or Hubbel brand yearly. To be sure the terminals on the receptacle are tight- use a flat head screwdriver that fits as securely as possible in the slot, and instead of holding that screwdriver in your fist, shaft pointing up like a thumb, center the shaft between your middle fingers. If the screwdriver slips while you are tightening, this will keep you from poking your eye out. Also, 50 amp GFCI breakers are expensive, Siemens just doubled their pricing to $250. Best wishes everyone!! EV’s for LIFE!!!

[@TylerPoppe]

What a dang shame they don't do a long range version.

[@sebastiancohnify]

Is it just me or are Alex and Brian becoming the same person? I legit thought it was a gag for a moment when Brian first walked in the frame.

[@rustlesee]

They certainly aren’t helping the chatter about it. 😂

[@aliendroneservices6621]

​@@rustlesee Bring on the paternity test!

[@bobl1090]

Ita a car analysis and well done

[@rightlanehog3151]

Alex and Brian, Would it be fair to say this RZ does not quite offer everything, everywhere all at once? 😉

[@gianvisentin1232]

Why add a second person on your channel? Didn’t think you needed one tbh. Find it a little unorganized, sometimes it seemed like you cut each other out. Not sure I like the new setup.

[@leeedens9497]

Ok, I know Lexus buyers that switch to Tesla, anyway, if the RZ 450e offered better range, I think Lexus would be shocked how well it could do, but with its range, can Lexus really justify its starting price and one wonders, how it would do with a lower starting price, overall, I would rank it, behind the Tesla Model Y (better EV in every way, note I said EV), next, the Cadillac Lyriq (one of Cads best model to date and feel worth its price), following the BMW iX (a problem, you have to look at it and dark colors look better) and next the Mercedes EQE SUV (I would wait for it), this may be a stretch, but I have the RZ 450e tied with the Audi e-tron (or upcoming 2024 Q8 e-tron, the name change), crazy but both of these EVs suffer the same problem, range, as for the Genesis GV60 (it's too small, enough said), I know Audi has the Q4 e-tron (it's fine, but wasn't a fan of the VW ID.4, so), I kind of always pull for Lexus or Cadillac vs the Germans, one would ask why didn't Lexus offer quicker charging and a larger battery pack, overall, it's what I expected from the first Lexus EV, given the fact Toyoyta's not a big EV fans

[@Zhenocnra]

I'm sure plenty will bash the range but the 10-year long term design goal of the battery is literally what ties the whole equation together for BEV's. Charging, range, and range over the lifetime of the battery are the three hurdles that are the bare minimum for any ICE owner deciding to make the leap. Now if Lexus could do the same with a much larger battery, we'll finally be making some progress against Tesla, Lucid, and Rivian. I'd rather have the Lexus for the stealership/service experience compared to the Genesis. I'm not paying Telluride-level MSRP just to go to a Hyundai stealership. Now if Genesis were to finally jump to a direct-sales model, I would seriously consider the GV70 even if the look and shape is not my preference. Kia's EV9 and Hyundai's Ioniq 7 are definitely my preference (boxy beauties) are sorely needed too.

[@naveenthemachine]

Who cares about the battery lasting 10 years?😂 You don’t see that kind of advertisement for phones or iPads. Because nobody cares about that

[@23gt17]

Battery longevity would hardly be an advantage for this Lexus when the industry standard is already an 8-year battery warranty - and when you start with a battery that already has such a limited range of 220 miles you're at a serious disadvantage over competitors offering at least 280-300 miles even if you try to factor in worst-case levels of battery degradation. Overall, this is just a really mediocre effort by Lexus.

[@benjaminsmith2287]

@@23gt17 I disagree. I actually think it is a strong effort by Lexus. If you are just hung up on range than it is. But if you look beyond range, then this is a very nice automobile. And Lexus owners like to keep their cars for a long time, so yes, battery life would matter to some people vs. high range. If you drive this as a 40-50 mile per day car and charge at home, range isn't a big issue.

[@23gt17]

@@benjaminsmith2287 Feel free to disagree but It's an EV, range is the first thing people will look at. Only a biased viewpoint would simply consider this vehicle in isolation and ignore the obvious elephant in the room of the competition having better value, features, AND range. Competing EVs from Tesla, Genesis, Mercedes, Audi, BMW, Cadillac, etc all make this new Lexus look utterly pedestrian even though it's brand new. Toyota's already taken a lot of flack for the bz4x from numerous sources - this is just the Lexus version of such so I think you're tilting at windmills trying to defend the RZ450.

[@benjaminsmith2287]

@@23gt17 I do disagree. Beyond range, how are any of them any better? The relationship to the bZ4 doesn't matter due to the Lexus dealer service as well as it is more refined with better performance. We will get to the point where we judge EVs as cars and not by their range as charging becomes a nonfactor. The RZ seems like a nice car, nicer than the Lyriq and way nicer than the Model Y.

[@ONI1013.]

We currently have an 2022 Lexus RX 350 and an 2022 Audi Etron. Love the convenience of an electric car for local driving. My wife wants to get an electric Lexus next, but with this poor range (with the 20” wheels) and low HP, we’re second guessing this. I really hope they improve this car or at least bring back the RX V6 Hybrid.

[@jml9550]

V6 Hybrid is not gonna happen. The 4 cylinder is here to stay. That’s why we bought an NX hybrid. My wife doesn’t like the new RX hybrid’s front face. If Lexus can bring the range up to 300 miles, I will buy one in a heartbeat to replace my ES350.

[@ONI1013.]

@@jml9550 I think they will with the next Gen RZ. I may just keep my RX for now since it’s the last v6 they made.

[@_CarlosA]

The range is a big downside to this Lexus offering. Wish Toyota/Lexus took EVs more seriously by now

[@naveenthemachine]

They won’t. They’re done

[@benjaminsmith2287]

@@naveenthemachine Oh please, you sound ridiculous. You're not in Toyota to know anything so why do you act like you do? They're done doesn't even make any sense.

[@naveenthemachine]

@@benjaminsmith2287 lol Toyotas not setting any new bars these days unlike say Hyundai Kia or honda

[@benjaminsmith2287]

@@naveenthemachine What are you talking about? you can lol all you want but you come across as someone looking to bash Toyota/Lexus anytime you can and don't say anything constructive or objective. about them.

[@naveenthemachine]

@@benjaminsmith2287 lol. I wouldn’t be here if they tried a lot harder. The LC500 is hard to find faults. As is the Camry XSE v6.

[@evflyguy]

I love true one pedal driving, but I always turn it off in my Polestar 2 for the highway portion of my commute. It's far more efficient. I just wish it had paddles for regen control. Going into the menus in the main screen four times every day isn't ideal.

[@tjsean0308]

I much prefer lift-off regen with a large coast segment of the pedal. The BMW i3 has a nice coast segment with lift-off regen and blended braking. The regen ramps up with the friction brakes and applies more regen than the max lift-off regen.

[@CandycaneBeyond]

I get 4.9 or better kw per mile with my i3. The Re-gen is amazing

[@willnye9788]

The range works for me and the smaller battery will be less cost to charge on the go. Lexus offering the loaner plan too to avoid adding miles to the RZ is nice as well but I'm not sold on the cost. If it had been $55K out the door...Lexus should offer a single motor variant at a lower cost.

[@marklihsu]

If you are charging on the go it generally means you are on a road trip. Small battery is a disaster.

[@willnye9788]

@@marklihsu not really, what about a grocery store?

[@marklihsu]

220 range but only charge to 80% so 176 miles. Cold weather penalty of 50% 88 miles lol. Hard pass

[@CandycaneBeyond]

I would love in a future show or podcast to have a chart that shows the value of the kw to $$ for each vehicle and which ones are the best buy. Even though a brand slaps it's name on it is it really better than another that has the same kw capacity? We used to pay for the quality of the engine, now that there no engine.....what are we really paying for? Would make an interesting discussion.

[@Arcynite]

In the market for a new car and decided to go with an EV this time. Have a Lyriq preordered since May 2022 and depending on how much more it's delayed (hearing Q4 2023 or early 2025 delivery now), might just go with the RZ instead...assuming it isn't similarly delayed. The range and lack of EV tax credit qualification hurts and definitely brings it to a trailing 2nd place compared to the Lyriq, but overall do dig basically everything else of the vehicle.

[@naveenthemachine]

Nah wait for the lyriq. The RZ is an absolutely terrible car

[@tonyn3227]

Not worth the price and the range for this price, no way, but it's your money,

[@tomk537]

I would love a competitive Lexus EV - this is not it - disappointing

[@nothere572]

Don't expect much from the company that bet heavily on hydrogen over BEV, then saw that the market doesn't like hydrogen, rallied for legislation slowing down BEV adaption, and now is reluctantly making BEVs cause that's what they have to do.

[@r5LgxTbQ]

need a charging and range test based on what we've seen with the bZ4x

[@TalismanPHX]

I'll take a Genesis GV60 please.

[@Wised1000]

The EQS SUV has great offroading ability.

[@jimmykhokhar9092]

Looks like the only thing Lexus keeps working on and making it pointier and a lot more over hang. Mainly NOSE some back end....idk not for me for sure... Overall great job Alex, as always!

[@MistSoalar]

4:35 the spec insert says 7kW AC Charger and say 6.6kWh Charger down below the DC. Is there any Wh limit on charger??

[@satl3161]

Alex and brian: don't speak to me or my son ever again

[@drive-channel1834]

So Toyota-Lexus kinda say that Tesla and/or many other BEV's with good frunk are less safe? Is that a good reason or just a bad excuse?

[@capcom4eva]

This far behind the market, $60k for 200 miles, no glovebox, poor storage/cargo space & terrible dashboard unfitting of a Lexus badge. 😔

[@jenesuispasbavard]

3.5 mi/kWh is not bad.

[@alexc6946]

Front kinda reminds me of those old Studebakers

[@allyouluckypeople]

Why does the thumbnail show a yoke steering wheel, but in the review there is a traditional steering wheel?

[@bobd7384]

The piano black as the replacement for the grill does not match the black hood. I like the headlight fender being something different. Overall, it appears as a car that Lexus had to come out with and not well thought out. 200 mile range, no thanks. I'll wait for the next battery, sulfur-aluminum for example.

[@aliendroneservices6621]

0:13 Busy Forks.

[@drive-channel1834]

Sadly they still insist on putting the shifter on the center console. Making the not-so-tidy cockpit even more cluttered. No frunk, no glovebox, wow, that's extremely huge wight saving, it must be 10 tons at least, really out-of-this-world level of genius. Wow.

[@Mk1Male]

When you reach puberty, post again 🤣🤡

[@kevinn1158]

Overpriced, underdelivered. 2 tone paint job makes me want to 🤮

[@RobertWicks]

I'm a Toyota/Lexus fan, and this is just a nonstarter, given the range. Seems almost like a compliance vehicle.

[@N8844H]

The ridiculous "grill", whether filled in as it is here, or open as it is in the gasoline-fired version, looks awful. Would never buy a car that tries so hard to appear like something it is not.

[@mattd9161]

Agreed - Vehicles from across the Pacific are looking more and more Japanese Anime' every year. (to busy and fugly) My '20 Bolt Premier gets over 270 miles and less than half the cost of this - thing.

[@KMT946]

The reason I like Toyota and Lexus so much is because of how conservative they are. I think even though every other car manufacturer is rushing to get an ev out they should've waited until the technology was solid before making one. That's what separates them from the rest.

[@ck4797]

But they need practice and need to develop their own ev platform instead of waiting and falling behind. I'm personally enjoying Japan's regression due to complacency

[@KMT946]

@@ck4797 I feel like that's true to a certain extent. But I look at it more like apple vs Samsung (specifically). One is always on the bleeding edge of technology and that can cause a lot of issues. While the other waits till the tech is improved enough to use it. To me this also applies to Lexus vs the Germans and the Americans to a certain extent. Even though a Mercedes is cool..Id hate to spend all that money for the battery to fail or something to go wrong with the hyper screen repeatedly.

[@ck4797]

@@KMT946 I see your perspective as well👍

[@thedavidibu]

@@KMT946 This the main reason i prefer Toyotas and Lexus to other brands, reliability. As i have gotten older i have come to realise that the peace that comes with predictive maintenance outweighs any fun i can have with a car.

[@Kevin27182]

You can turn off the fake noise in the infotainment screen

[@johnj2803]

How about comparing it to the German cars like eqb's and etrons?

[@goetzliedtke]

That's not a spindle grill. It's a choo-choo, cow-catcher grill.

[@A1N0]

Range is a problem. Volvo EX looks the best for what I need. Don't need 3 rows, but have them in my Q7 but never used them.

[@benjaminsmith2287]

If you don't need them the Polestar 3 is a better choice than Volvo EX90. Volvos can be good but can also be a maintenance headache if you get the wrong one.

[@solarenergynow08]

Why would you name it 450 something if it has no engine displacement that matches...10 years too late Toyota..

[@ouch1011]

I like this better than the Toyota/Subaru versions, but it still feels like it’s already out of date and irrelevant. It’s also worth mentioning that the vehicle will _substantially_ de-rate DC charging speeds after a couple charging stops. This is a big deal for long road trips (more than about 400 miles, or trips over several days) given the poor range/efficiency of the vehicle. The choice to give it a front power bias is a really odd and, in my opinion, stupid choice. FWD only exists due to the limitation of ICE power plants. That limitation doesn’t exist in EVs. The larger motor should be in the back. This thing is going to have front wheel spin like all of Toyota’s AWD hybrids. Disagree with the insinuation that some who charges a Model Y or other EV to 80% means that they don’t need that extra 20%. A vehicle in this price range is not going to be strictly a commuter vehicle. It’s going to be a primary vehicle. 80% of a typical modern EV is going to be more than plenty for a daily commute, but if it’s you’re only vehicle, it’s going to get used for longer trips. Having that additional 20% of the battery would be really important. I’ll be curious to see Toyota’s next attempt. This one is a hard, hard pass.

[@nxtphone4696]

how much extra battery does the steer by wire take and will the steering work when you run out of power?

[@FuncleChuck]

None.

[@CandycaneBeyond]

So was it just a fancy Busy fork?

[@flashsushi1843]

Good second attempt. First one in the UX300e At least they're getting better. Battery capacity at 90% after 10 years should be backed by the warranty.

[@TheLastMoccasin]

🤣🤣🤣

[@naveenthemachine]

Nobody cares about that. You don’t see smartphones advertising that

[@flashsushi1843]

@@naveenthemachine I do. I don't have an infinite budget. '11 Accord coupe and '12 CT200h soldiering on, likely until end of this decade. I don't know where you live but in Canada starting 2026, battery capacity warranty will start increasing from 70% to 80% by 2030. Of course most practical people care about longevity of vehicles. It's usually the second most expensive purchase after a house.

[@HumperMKB]

Why on earth would they put bigger tire on the less powerful axle ?!

[@capcom4eva]

Abissmal 1st EV attempt, Lexus. Should’ve stuck with the LF-30. 😔

[@naveenthemachine]

It’s Lexus. What did you expect? They almost always screw up everything

[@longines2011]

$70k car has real world range, about 150-170 miles, what a shame, 50k tesla y, has 1.5 times better range , technology and price 😅

[@rik999]

An addition I would like to see when talking about Level 1 and 2 charging is to state the amp draw. I think many people are familiar with the capacity of their home circuits in amps (from the labels on the breakers in their panels) not kilowatts, so why not say 15 amp (120V - 1.4kW), 20 amp (240V - 3.3kW), 30 amp (240V - 6.6kW), or 50 amp (240V - 11kW)?

[@peterfessier9780]

Imagine what Toyota will do when they get around to making a good EV. The question is whether or not they’ll be able to catch up to the competition. This is a nice luxury car and a mediocre EV. Range matters in part because you don’t get the predicted range especially when it matters like driving fast on the freeway. Add in cold and hills and you are not going too far. Then when you go to charge up again on the road you are only going to 80 %. I don’t imagine Toyota will make a lot of these, so they will sell to the select group that can afford a luxury car for driving around town.

[@hereigoagain5050]

" ... which is a lot easier to say than the Toyota busy fork [BZ4x]." :) Did Alex clone himself? I'm not a fan of Lexus design language, but I hope it sells well.

[@Pekirt79]

1 pedal driving for life Alex..lol

[@naveenthemachine]

The RZ has the exact same seat adjustments as my 2020 Camry XSE 😂. And you all think “Lexus is higher quality”😂 9:13

[@johnclaeys376]

What?

[@naveenthemachine]

@@johnclaeys376 the seats move in 10 ways in the RZ for the driver and the passenger seat moves inn8 ways My Camry XSE seats move in the exact same ways as the RZ and the RZ is significantly more expensive

[@Pattayaman999]

220 mile range - bummer

[@TheLastMoccasin]

Only 5,000 in the 2023 model year...... The same year Tesla will likely have the best selling model worldwide with the Model Y selling over 1,000,000 units this year 🤯🤯🤯 They are so .. far .. behind !!!

[@naveenthemachine]

Lexus won’t even exist anymore soon. 😂

[@TheLastMoccasin]

@@naveenthemachine Sadly I agree... though they will make $$ over the next few years selling hybrids (things they can actually build and sell at a profit). Just like Nokia had their most profitable years AFTER the iPhone was released.

[@benjaminsmith2287]

@@TheLastMoccasin Sad you believe this. Lexus is the division that's going to accelerate Toyota's BEV program. They're not going anywhere.

[@TheLastMoccasin]

@@benjaminsmith2287 Agreed that Lexus will be used to accelerate their plans. The sad part is, they are accelerating from a complete standstill in 2023. Also, they are still confused about what direction to accelerate ( EVs, Hydrogen, "self charging hybrid lies") so hopefully they don't end up accelerating into the ditch called bankruptcy....

[@naveenthemachine]

@@TheLastMoccasin they’ll go bankrupt all right. It’s only a matter of when

[@TeufelHund]

10% to 80% for a vehicle with 200 miles range, that means it'll take 1/2 hour in warm weather to charge just 140 miles. That's atrocious for such an expensive vehicle. Plus it has the archaic unwieldly CCS charger input...

[@avdp9095]

It has 15 years warranty, small nattery pack and will get software updates later this year that fix charging speed and better range.

[@trippplefive]

“isn’t quite the ev of your dreams”… who said it was supposed to be the ev of anyone’s dreams? and compared to what? not sure why people have a hard on for these lexus/ toyota evs… but i would take a japanese made ev over anything made in alabama

[@vsChris]

I want to like this vehicle so badly, the value just doesn’t seem to be there

[@ariescaisip5498]

What good is lexus at?

[@naveenthemachine]

Nothing 😆

[@Mark-de4hj]

Lexus all day everyday.

[@PhilKulak]

Did I just hear "up to stuff"?

[@a55tech]

the Toyota will henceforth be known as the BusyForks

[@tonyn3227]

It's definitely not ev of your dreams, for this range and price.

[@im4udevco]

I can't believe (I do) Toyota actually put this thing out there. It still seems like their engineers are living in a bubble. The specs are paltry and subpar. Compared to the model Y which is cheaper plus it qualifies for the EV tax credit, they will sell 100 per year at most. Toyota can't predict the battery longevity when they have not yet even been on the road for long. Poor Toyota.

[@naveenthemachine]

Soon Toyota won’t even exist.

[@naarealy]

RZ feels like a poor new car choice, but it might turn out to be a decent used car if the price is right considering the conservative battery design.

[@Gautamiyer2]

If you're a lexus driver and can afford the price point, it's a great car. I just got one and it drives splendidly. I've driven a number of luxury (gas powered) cars and the RZ blows them out of the water. I've also driven my in laws' model X and, while it's great in a lot of ways, I prefer the feel of the RZ to it.

[@be236]

The front looks like a whale's mouth, not a fan... also prefer one-tone colour on cars.

[@thomas735]

Why spend a ton on EVs if Biden is just gonna play favorites with GM and Tesla?

[@korswe]

A little torn about charging? 😂 This Lexus is a glorified grocery getter. Forget about trying to drive this from LA to SF or Vegas. Nightmare of a charging experience.

[@WumpusAmungus]

69° nice

[@timgurr1876]

Has some nice features. Of course, one needs to drive before making a decision to buy. It would be nice to offer a 240V cable for home charging. I’m not ready to venture into the EV world, however, good presentation/introduction video (as usual). Hopefully, there will be better batteries allowing faster charging while on long trips.

[@naveenthemachine]

Um no you’re wrong. This is one of those evs where “one needs to drive before making a decision to buy” just won’t cut the mustard

[@FuncleChuck]

Since you’re admittedly not ready for an EV, I’ll let you know that none of the things you’re saying make sense. Including a L2/240V home charger isn’t a necessity, really. That’s a personal choice. 150kW DC is about as fast as anything charges today, and the best way to get a faster charge is having a larger battery - which is a huge negative to performance, efficiency, and cost.

[@the_jarmel]

HAPPY MONDAY EVERYONE ✌️ HAVE A GOOD ONE ..

[@techups3082]

is Brian Alex's Nephew?

[@johnbowden3537]

Guess again 😉

[@lululovelovelove]

I say Hell NO!!

[@drive-channel1834]

RX450h is much better than this, I guess.

[@Donald_Shaw]

Not really impressed with this car... The Nissan Ariya looks better inside and out (the Lexus has horns on the rear of the roof). The Ariya also has a heat pump standard in all models which is nice for states with colder climates.

[@richardgarriga6766]

Full vegan interior, LOL!🤦😂