The End For Tesla’s Megapack?? Introducing CATL’s New ZERO Degradation Energy Storage System!

[@alexfunk2047]

Um, isn't Tesla one of CATL's biggest customers? They both win!

[@lighthousesaunders7242]

Not one of. The biggest.

[@mnomadvfx]

Yes, but realistically CATL will do most of their business directly outside of the auto business. The whole thing about Tesla taking on the world as an energy provider is 9000% bulls**t - they are literally just packaging and reselling CATL and Panasonic product.

[@MoDa87]

@@mnomadvfxthe profits will go to Tesla.

[@mowensmd]

@@mnomadvfx Megapack 3 will allow direct HVDC connection, eliminating substations. Autobidder makes millions in arbitrage for the owner. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

[@izerrandom12]

@@mnomadvfx don't they have their own 4680 cells including production facilities for some vehicles like Cybertruck?!

[@davidbeeston8833]

Had the pleasure of visiting the CATL booth at EES Europe too and if these performance levels are indeed true then it's mind blowing. It just shows how far ahead the Chinese battery giants are compared to the ROW!

[@patreekotime4578]

Well, it helps that they've had control of the patents for LFPs! When the West was asleep at the wheel, China was actually breaking ground. Sadly, alot of the money in the West is going into solid state and other related technologies that will only get more expensive. Which means China will probably end up making all of the important breakthroughs with sodium ion as well. Because they understand that the problem isn't making denser batteries in general, its maker cheaper batteries perform better,

[@davidbeeston8833]

@@patreekotime4578 true, too much focus on solid state that realistically will only be reserved for luxury high end vehicles eventually whilst China dominate the mass market

[@patreekotime4578]

@@davidbeeston8833 Solid state *may* have a place in aviation, but I doubt it in the long term. Fire safety is an even bigger issue in airplanes than in cars. I suspect there will have to be a whole new branch of batteries to handle that use case. But for motor vehicles, LFP and sodium ion look like the actual future. The investment bro types love solid state because it requires more expensive metals. But my suspicion is that if the speculators drive prices too high they will squeeze the industry right out of them. Which may be the only way we finally abandon battery tech that relies on them.

[@michaelrch]

@@patreekotime4578I suspect investors like solid state because higher end products offer higher profit margins. They have likely all but given up on making a good margin on LFP batteries given the lower cost and the dominance by China.

[@Atheist-Libertarian]

Whats the cost of that Battery pack ? Because, for Stationary storage Energy density doesn't matter much. Only cost matters.

[@passby8070]

Don't let dirty geopolitics and fossil fuel industry get in the way of what humanity truly needs. Well done CATL and all the other innovative Chinese companies.

[@gustavoramirezdiaz1347]

“Innovative”

[@Solid_Snake99]

CATL pollutes a lot with their mining, better invest in european battery makers

[@havencat9337]

exactly! people and the planet wins!

[@nomoreheroes93]

"Dirty geopolitics" you've really drank the Chinese kool aid - it'd be a disaster for Western economies and jobs if we entirely offshored automotive and energy storage production to China, it'll devastate industrial communities that are already suffering (e.g. Wales, NE England, Mid-West America, Germany... the list goes on) - hence some pushback is warranted.

[@warheadsnation]

@@gustavoramirezdiaz1347 No one outside of China is getting anything close to the specs on CATL and BYD's LFP batteries. Even some Teslas in the US have those batteries so you can't say it's all fake news.

[@geralddavison]

The problem with all these BESS solutions in the UK is that they need planning permission. There's one been proposed about 10 miles from me and the NIMBY's are at it again! It'll be mired in planning disputes (and potentially refused) for 10 times as long as it would take to actually build. We are stuffed in the UK with the fundementals for Energy Transition. People don't want Super Grid upgrade pylons, offshore windfarm cable landing stations, windfarm grid connections sites. It's because so much of this is in the countryside. There's a sneaking suspicion that eventually the fossil fuel lobby will start to help fund these local campaign groups to slow down the transition. In China they simply just say "you're having it" so there's no arguement. I am not suggesting I want a one party dictatorship in the UK, far from it. But somehow there has to be a form of overiding "national interest" process on this transition that RAPIDLY overcomes bottlenecks and gets stuff done.

[@odds87]

I live in a lovely part of Warwickshire, that’s currently being dug up for HS2. It worked for that didn’t it? My local area get zero upsides , yet has to deal with a lot of the downsides, now and in the future.

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

Good point noted by a Brit living in France. The Bordeaux to Paris LGV (high speed line) is 500 km and started building in 2012 the year before we moved here. It was completed in 2017...France is very much a democracy and you know what happens when people don't like what's going on, they protest like mad! But the national needs override local objections, none of this fannying around with parish councils, county councils and all that stuff, they just get on and do it. The UK always seem so worn out and poor when I go back there, terrible pot-holed roads and an embarrassingly poor and expensive rail network

[@Rick-vm8bl]

Given the planning reforms being planned by Labour (Who lets face it are the next government, lets not get into the politics side of things where people slate one party or another, this isn't the place for that) then things like this will likely become significantly easier to put in place. They seem to be going all in on renewables which can only be a positive thing for projects like this.

[@geralddavison]

@odds87 feel sorry for you as an individual but sadly there are always some people who will lose out. I wasn't thinking about high-speed rail. But that's another area where China has just made it happen. Nearly 10 years ago I took the line from Beijing to Xian. We need to take on board local suggestions for routing, environmental impact and visual amenity. But then pick the least worst option and get on with it.

[@jonevansauthor]

@@geralddavison Agreed. You want better planning, taking on board local objections can't be much of a part of it. The entire reason HS2 went over budget was planning applications and the insane revision that councils required. Air vent buildings to look like local barn buildings so they would fit in... you know... behind the trees and because there's not lots of barns that look awful. People were horribly treated during HS2, and the obvious solution to all of those problems and Stonehenge is big tunnels. Just tunnel straight from London to Birmingham. The Victorians would have just got on with it. Could have dug the thing by hand by now. We had an interconnector blocked that was supposed to land around Portsmouth because the Nimbys didn't want their roads dug up. Who cares about the lung disease and people not having enough money to light their houses or cook food when some people might have to take a different route for a few weeks, eh? Also, this is a bipartisan sort of thing - all parties seem to agree the current system doesn't work, so they should all have fixed and should all get in a room like big girls and sort it out. I wish people would stop picking a government/party to blame it on when it's clearly the fault of all of them - they don't want to do the work because they won't get the credit in an election as it'll take years to come to fruition. Also because they're universally lazy sociopaths of course.

[@oksyar]

Best reporter! And well done CATL, i mean 15000 life cycles for a battery??? That is just amazing.

[@rossadamdixon]

Why is everything branded as the end of Tesla?!?! Everything Electric should be better than this!!!

[@JeraXO]

They need to get that dig into Tesla to get that sweet sweet clickbait.... 🤣🤣

[@neilm9400]

Totally agree, we aren't 10 years old. I can only assume it feeds the algorithms, but it's really annoying.

[@vidsurf88]

agree...

[@matt45540]

Tesla has largely been one of the main installers of large grid scale batteries, it's nice to see competition in the market for them.

[@theunknownunknowns256]

Tesla were first movers in this space obviously. Chill TF out and don't get your panties in a twist.

[@urbanstrencan]

CATL is coming out with just such amazing technologies, Imogen great video keep up with great work ;)

[@TheComputerGuyDR]

Anyway you slice this information - we are moving forward was this tech and that’s a good thing. Faster we get off reliance of fossil energy the better. 🎉🎉🎉😊

[@GenRicOpekc]

This lady will do well delivering the news in Renewables. What a stand out. Obviously very articulate and smart.

[@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb]

Translation: she's easy on the eyes

[@theunknownunknowns256]

Imogen, this might interest you. Deutsche Welle News Ukraine covered a story on the strategic move to solar+ batteries in Ukraine with a goal of making an "unbreakable power grid" through decentralised generation. National and local governments are incentivising solar uptake for critical infrastructure like hospitals but also highrise apartment buildings to communities to individual homes. Also over 300 grid scale solar farms are being built.

[@Nikoo033]

Pleased to read this. I did read somewhere that Ukraine is going full on on on-shore wind too. 👍🏻

[@shaundudley4576]

@@Nikoo033 and I read somewhere that the ukraine is a dead man walking

[@joythought]

@@shaundudley4576 surely you wouldn't want a small nation destroyed by another larger nation? How is that sentiment even occurring in your brain without shuddering with horror?

[@samjohnston4945]

CATL are engineering very thoughtful solutions to new tricky problems. Thanks Imogen & team for a great segment.

[@aufornvic]

It's very exciting seeing the problems being solved, one by one, and Imogen, you are doing a wonderful job explaining it all to us. Thankyou.

[@udavster]

It's stationary BESS, no one cares about density. Other than that - great news

[@robinhood4640]

Everyone does care about energy density. Nobody is interested in saving our planet now, with batteries the size of an average fridge, if we might be able to do it in a couple of decades, with batteries slightly smaller than an average fridge. Maybe we should just put everything on hold, until we have batteries small enough to put them in the freezer compartment of a slightly smaller than average fridge?

[@garyrooksby]

@@robinhood4640 But the technological development is only possible because they're selling the current generation to fund the R&D for the next generation. Putting it all "on hold" will just stop the funding of the development and therefore there won't be any advancement.

[@ryuuguu01]

There are some use cases for higher-density stationary storage in urban environments. Such as for EV charging stations and buildings on high $/sq. m land. Putting storage inside urban areas that charge at night and discharge during daytime peaks can reduce grid infrastructure upgrades, by reducing the peak transmission capacity needed. For a solar or wind farm in the middle of now where massive flow batteries or pumped hydro are probably better,

[@udavster]

@@robinhood4640 you clearly don't know what is grid storage, bc the batteries for that are the size of container and it's ok. Because it just f-ing sits there among other batteries on a small plot of land, and the only thing about it that stifles the adoption is cost

[@robinhood4640]

@@udavster I am on your side. The best you can do, is focus on a specific detail that you feel isn't appropriate to the signification of your comment. Why don't you focus on "stationary BESS", "energy density" and "nobody cares about density", which is exactly the crux of your comment? You might find my comment less indicative of my lack of knowledge, and not post a reply which i find indicative of your character.

[@Stuart_Johnson_Solutions]

I could listen to Imogen talk tech all day!

[@astranc]

Size for grid storage is less important than Total cost of ownership. This is really cool but if it's twice the cost.... I would love these batteries more in new electric cars

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Let's just say the largest producer in the market tends to be the most competitive?

[@elinys2843]

You still think in financial terms. If we want a future for our kids, that mindset has got to change. More so: those who profited from poluting the world, must contribute their fair share, without financial compensation.

[@patreekotime4578]

LFP is cheaper than NMC. The Chinese ARE thinking about cost.

[@TheOfficialBatteryMan]

I like CATL so much I bought a Tesla M3 battery pack containing CATL cells to put in on my house for the ultimate home energy storage 😀😃😅 Although I'm now thinking that container full of batteries hidden in my garden would be the ultimate storage.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

👍😉

[@tooltalk]

CATL' LFP are in Tesla's entry-level, low-range RWD models. ALl higher Performance, Long Range trims use Panasonic or LG.

[@TheOfficialBatteryMan]

⁠@@tooltalkthey do indeed. I imagine if the energy density improved we could see LFP in the entire range.

[@tooltalk]

@@TheOfficialBatteryMan not without density improvement and there are always tradeoffs in cost, performance and durability.

[@WarrenLacefield]

CATL is an amazing research, development, and production company for batteries, as are several other providers. And certainly they can scale. But at both the grid-level, substation level, or changer/home or store level, there is much more than good batteries to consider. In particular, there is the software and the IT infrastructure to go with that to control the battery systems and optimize the power networks. Tesla excels at that sort of thing as well. While there is huge demand and plenty of room for many players, I don't think Tesla has too much to worry about in the energy market place over the next 4-5 years and beyond.

[@SodViber]

The world's largest super fast charging network built in 2 years with 100K charging stations? Amazing, game changing if it's possible and comes to pass. Very big news for EV drivers with fast DC charging

[@AJames-jr8kw]

Thank you Imogen for the presentation. Always a pleasure to watch.

[@DMulabiTalejan]

Nice, they shoould make portable solar-charged pack for rural homes. I ithink govts in Africa should partner with CATL to provide rural people with electricity connectivity.

[@Hardwaregeekx]

I think there are a number of companies that are doing that. Some of them probably buy their batteries from CATL.

[@robhaitch5544]

Sounds like a press release, but if it’s as good as the claims and there are no glossed over gotchas, then 🎉🎉🎉

[@Damadchef]

Everything from this channel seems like a press release.... I'm excited for the content but I wish it was less like an advert

[@jonevansauthor]

Well, they can't exactly test drive a grid storage device.... :D

[@foppo101]

Well presented Imogen not easy all very technical.My first EV this year at the age of 75 better late than never.The cars are fine it is the infrastructure the charging bit I try to get my head around Imogen.

[@dpie4859]

What a top notch presenter! Very beautiful, smart and well articulated. ❤

[@enricofioretti3608]

is there any information regarding €/MWh? how much would systems like these cost?

[@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461]

THANKS IMOGENE 🤗 FOR SHARING THE PROGRESS FOR THE FUTURE 👍💚💚💚

[@grahambrown42]

Tesla is a customer for CATL LFP cells?

[@didierbour7907]

YES

[@hermesliteratus882]

Tesla is a customer for both CATL and BYD.

[@MegaWilderness]

Which is why they cannot compete with CATL especially when it comes to LFP

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Unless I'm mistaken Tesla is CATLs largest customer... Great for both companies.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

​@@MegaWilderness You won't let it go, will you? . They don't NEED to compete. They're both going to win BIG TIME.

[@EugeneLambert]

Impressive. Lots of great info packed into a bite-sized episode.

[@leifhietala8074]

Buffer batts for high-speed charging are the way forward. Even as it's dumping charge into a vehicle, even as the vehicle is unhooking and moving out, as the new one is moving in and hooking up, the buffer itself is receiving charge at the utility's best rate, making the most of existing infrastructure. And every minute it sits idle with no-one charging, it's just getting higher and higher into its capacity, more able to quickly top up the next vehicle to use it.

[@ryuuguu01]

It also reduces the size of the hookup to the grid network by allowing charging of the battery at night. Getting larger hookups can add months to years in some areas as upgrades to the grid are needed.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

I've been predicting Tesla would (will) combine at least one Megapack with Charging and Autobidder to maximise efficiency. . CATL obviously sees the same opportunity.

[@TheUweRoss]

Let's do the math on that "buffer" charger. It has a 96 kWh battery. It can charge a car at up to 480 kW, so it can dump it's entire buffer into a vehicle in as little as 12 minutes. But with only a 40 kW grid connection, it then takes 144 minutes (2.4 hours) to re-fill its buffer. I suppose that's great for a charger that's only used a few times per day, but if there's a line of cars waiting to charge, it's really only a 40 kW charger.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

@@TheUweRoss I should have made clear that it's NOT really of benefit to the vehicles, BUT it IS useful to both the local grid (IF there are large numbers of chargers at a location, AND for load balancing at peak.... PLUS REALLY great for the company owning the site/ battery who can make a LOT of profit buying low/ selling high... IF these batteries are WAY bigger than "96kWh" I'm talking a few Megapacks at a 100 charger location.

[@fredhearty1762]

Great report!!! We need all of the storage solutions (and charging solutions) and the competition they provide. Who will win? THE PLANET.

[@Sailorman6996]

Good idea, not new but sounds much better than competition. I also think Imogen is beautiful ; )

[@andrzejkardys]

Would love to know the price and how it compares to Tesla for the large pack and leading providers for the charging system.

[@youxkio]

When to research smart grids and the introduction of cold ironing?

[@JeremyParsons]

The price of the Tesla Megapack halved in the last year - I wonder why?

[@hal3137]

Liked the update , but using " the end for Tesla Megapack " is a silly title . The products will co exist and Tesla use LFP themselves. The CATL claim that there is zero degradation is just not true they simply employ a buffer that evens out the degradation so the initial capacity appears to remain the same. Basically any battery from day 1 of use will incrementally grow its internal resistance and decrease the capacity.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Imogen . I don't suppose youve checked the location of the newest CATL factory, (due to start ramping in Q1 2025)? . Its about 1km from the Tesla BESS "Megapactory" due for completion at about the same time... Coincidence??? . I *WONDER* where the cells will be coming from?. . Rather than competing, its almost as though Tesla and CATL are becoming symbiotic? (Great for *BOTH* companies)

[@niwrem1]

what they don't talk about is how cheap those batteries and parts are made

[@rtfazeberdee3519]

Its about time that all fast chargers were connected to a battery to reduce grid stress and then the charging company can power their prices.

[@callumcurtis15]

That and a solar canopy to protect drivers from the elements, consequently helping to charge the battery.

[@PistonAvatarGuy]

So environmentally friendly!

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

That is already happening to a large extent. I noticed that the array of Tesla chargers near me in Poitiers has a Mega pack next to them sitting behind a security fence. I wouldn't mind betting that they are buying power from EDF overnight at a few cents/kWh and selling it during the day at €0.43/kWh...still cheaper than the competition but with 75% of French power coming from nuclear there are deals to be done if you buy power by the MWh.

[@PistonAvatarGuy]

@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 With the energy in France already being generated using environmentally friendly means, what is the benefit of also adding solar panels and batteries to the system? What is accomplished, outside of adding to the amount of resources being consumed?

[@jonevansauthor]

​@@PistonAvatarGuy what, seriously? They export energy to us mate. They sell us electricity. More electricity is good for them. Plus they benefit the same as anyone from having grid storage because it smooths out the grid and they too buy electricity when they need it. They can fill those batteries up with excess power during peak generation too and use or sell it later as needed. It also helps lessen the severity of power cuts. If the UK doubled it's energy generation, the power would a) be used for industry and things we can't currently afford and b) be sold to other countries for a profit and c) reduce the cost of our own power since we'd no longer be pegged to gas. Yes, there's no point building ten times the storage that you need, but no, there's no major country that has sufficient battery storage yet.

[@Yanquetino]

Very encouraging, Imogen! But wowza… what a crowd. Better you there than me, as I do not like feeling jostled and herded.

[@concinnus]

If I were CATL, I'd make my equipment mockups less fragile. Just looking at a few percent of the product @1:45 we can see it's broken in 5 places.

[@pddaemon7]

Can anyone link a TENER spec sheet here, there is _nothing_ on their website. Thanks !

[@Atheist-Libertarian]

Whats the cost of that Battery pack ? Because, for Stationary storage Energy density doesn't matter much. Only cost matters.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Neither does unit cost. If it pays for itself in 12, or 18 months, its all good

[@Dr.Gehrig]

Glad to see stationary story embrace LFP and continue to improve. I'm curious how Sodium ion batteries for static storage will compare.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

CATL website.

[@JGS123WRPTP]

Your presentation’s so dam slick! Great video.

[@earthwizz]

Did you mean Tesla is now getting some help with the transition? Let's hope some more join in.

[@shubinternet]

I think what CATL is doing here is just downrating the batteries, so that they’ve got spare capacity for those first five years. But it’s great that they’re getting significantly more energy density per square foot of storage!

[@mshepard2264]

Its just the lithium iron phosphate chemistry

[@pf1830]

This lady is absolutely refreshing to listen to, and there seems to be a (slow-) reaction to the inevitable shift to Sustainable Energy. To compete with Chinese headstart (After they reacted very energetically!) when ElonMusk warned EVERYBODY what is coming, and made available hundreds of patents (for free!) in electric car manufacturing! Traditional 'Legacy' car makers WILL become history ... Beautiful collector's items!

[@UnwittingSweater]

Loving these easy to do videos. Might try this one tomorrow.

[@mikemcg1808]

It's 2024. Are we still really calling everything "The End for Tesla"? Tesla and CATL are partners. Tesla's energy storage business is growing rapidly. CATL & Tesla will both do great. Lets cheer for all great solutions, and stop cheering for "Tesla Killers". The "Tesla Killer Cemetery" is already full. :)

[@rogerstarkey5390]

💯 If I had to name 3 companies which are "Least likely to kill each other"???? TESLA. CATL. BYD. . Most others? There's a high incidence of Self Harm, some Attempted $u1ciDe.

[@qilliq_1630]

I loved her energetic personality and great enthusiasm ❤❤❤❤ wish her all the best in future endeavours and would wait for her next shows 🔥🔥🔥🥰🥰🥰

[@patrickmckowen2999]

Great vid👍 But most amazing is that bell bottom pants are making a comeback 🤣. Cheers

[@kensmith5694]

Yes pleats and bell bottoms. Both are style items from the past that used more fabric

[@patreekotime4578]

More like parachute pants. Probably nice and cool in the summer.

[@M-TRON]

Our favourite buzzing 🐝 w/ exciting things to know and see!

[@commieTerminator]

Isn't high energy density unnecessary for stationary grid storage? I bet cheap but long lasting batteries is the most important aspect of large scale stationary storage

[@kadensmith5586]

Not necessarily, smaller batteries means smaller systems, smaller connections, smaller amounts of weight the structure has to hold, and with smaller sized cells it makes it easier to cool them. All of those factors could save a battery plant millions when it comes to construction

[@steveclemens8488]

Unfortunately here in the good ole USA one political party wants to blow UP all this amazing technology and DRILL, BABY, DRILL.Thanks for the presentation!

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Unfortunately for you, the whole US political system being tied to "Lobbying" (legalised bribery) condemns you to be at best decades behind, at worst never joining the energy transition..... REGATDLESS of "tie colour" . (It's going to get "messy") (imo)

[@AlanTov]

And Musk actively supports that party. In fact the far right extremist part of it.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

​@@AlanTov The guy who voted Obama Obama Clinton Biden Then said "I won't vote D" following an intense, obviously politically motivated and nasty campaign against his companies AND him personally... . The guy who when asked outright recently who he would vote for refused to answer, but hinted there's not really a good choice? . The guy whose companies (IF you think about it) are concentrating on technologies leading to a Socialist system ("free stuff", abundance, workforce and monetary reform?) . I could add "Ownership of the workplace by the Proliteriat", that old mainstay of the policies preached by Karl Marx.... (Ya'know, the "Commie"?) The "Capitalist" version of which would be "extremely preferential purchase of company shares by the workforce" Pushed by ...guess who? . You literally "believe what you read in the papers" (or the modern equivalent) . More fool you.

[@Mauricio17-x1p]

China is going to be the first Electrostate...while the U.S (if under Trump) collpases

[@nicholasrigg8999]

Don't forget where we might he if it wasn't for Tesla. Anyway aside from the infomercial for CATL, this is good news. Might I also draw your attention to EOSE's zinc based storage solutions that are now up and running

[@cb250nighthawk3]

Why am I hearing "game changer" at every turn in almost everything these days. 🎉

[@sveng.9748]

Love the music, WHO is it???

[@marktrinidad7650]

Just 24 batteries and it can power 6000UK homes in a day!

[@frejaresund3770]

I have been enjoyed, so thank you for delivering.

[@asabriggs6426]

The ultra-fast DC charger takes up to 40kW, stores it in a 96kWh battery and discharges at up to 480kW; it can only achieve the peak rate at best 1/12 of the time (and probably less given the night-time use will far less, so will be sat fully charged for the first user of the day). I suppose that is an impressive discharge rate of 12C for the LFP batteries.

[@jooptablet1727]

Stop it with the clickbait come on

[@ProbeGT2]

Yes, congrats. You could have had a new subscriber but after 3 minutes now i know to never click one of their videos again.

[@bahram6133]

1:46 the quality is obviously very high, check the silver tubes on the upper module…

[@philipgrice1026]

Every new home built should include a battery storage system connected to the grid, creating over time a distributed power grid system. In time, it will become economic for existing homes to have similar battery storage that can expand energy dependability and sustainability while reducing cost, pollution and global climate change. I'm too old to see either the end of the human species from fossil fuel pollution or the saving of the species by the worldwide deployment of solar, hydroelectric, wind with battery storage. These are exciting times for the younger generation, and hopefully for many generations yet to come.

[@reaperofdoom6146]

and no mention on the cost. Which Continent are these super chargers going to be? where is the factory that makes these? what is the Peak production and ramp going to look like?

[@Walterp60]

I thought Tesla was now using Catl batteries in its Megapacks?

[@rogerstarkey5390]

You thought correctly. . Tesla has always and will continue to will use the cheapest suitable cell at any given moment..... And... Since "Other Automakers" decided to "pull back from EVs" there are A LOT of "excess" (cheap) cells on the market. Tesla is taking advantage of that availability (since *They* have "more than one string to their bow"... NOT just a car company) *AND* while doing so they are also cementing THEIR reputation as "The reliable customer".... The result of which will no doubt be "preferential terms" when Tesla requests access to the latest products (like the Shenxing Plus cells??) . Win all round.

[@mikemellor759]

Great story - thanks for telling it so well Imogen!

[@Patriot-os7br]

Even though Australia has all the benefits i.e. sunshine it has been very slow indeed to uptake battery storage on a grid scale, except for rooftop solar the energy transition is painfully slow. Centralized generation and distribution systems are for most of us obsolete. So who is benefitting by keeping them going?

[@RupertLee-tj3je]

Does the size of the battery in the ev charger mean that only the first customer of the day actually gets a fast charge?

[@lagmonster7789]

They quote it as having a 96kWh buffer, 40kW grid connection and assuming a typical (long range)EV with 75Kwh battery charging 80% in 20 minutes(250kW charging capable), it would be good for two back-to-back cycles at full speed.(this is probably pretty close to a worst case scenario). Then it'd need ~90minutes idle before it could have another 'full speed' cycle. Though i think it'd be more likely to service less capable EVs(both in battery size and charging speeds) which would make for faster recovery times.

[@RupertLee-tj3je]

Makes sense, thanks

[@rogerstarkey5390]

No. It means they "Smooth the grid supply" when appropriate.

[@cienciadedados]

The Fully Charged team is amazing. She's a great journalist.

[@colingreysful]

I totally agree that energy storage will form a key part of energy distribution. However, having a self contained storage and fast charger system connected to existing “low” power infrastructure will only work if the duty cycle of car charging to storage charging is low. Imagine pulling up to charge your EV only to find the charger battery is too low to fast charge. That said this type of charger could be part of the solution, and there may well be locations where on average the battery will get enough time to recharge itself before the next EV comes along.

[@paulgovan3507]

Predictably/sadly sodium ion batteries are being omitted from the media narrative. The host (true-to-type)focuses on false or secondary priorities ie. super-mega-energy density and super-mega fast-charging. But sodium ion batteries(not least CATL's) - have major clear advantages but are obviously not wanted by the lithium mining and refining industry.. Paul G

[@DeveloperChris]

CATL and BYD should be at the forefront of creating massive charging networks around the world. The lack of good reliable charging infrastructure is one of the main reasons EV uptake isn't greater. Perhaps they are running at capacity now and don't see the need, but if they want to supercharge (pun intended) the future they should build more superchargers.

[@misaelramos83]

Anxiously awaiting higher C rating LFP or equivalent. Theyre ready for stationary storage but i want them in everything!

[@incognitotorpedo42]

They're going to need a lot of those battery-integrated charging stations. The first person who hits it in the morning will drain it, or come close, and then it will take forever to recharge at 40kW. The only way I see these working is to have a lot of battery capacity at each charging site, like multiple MWh.

[@gulliverdalton8680]

I see them useful where it’s restricted time parking at corner stores(the output amount per customer could be tuned), for larger multi charger sites you would just get a mega pack to buffer and have a realtime advertisement of your charging speed. These ones could network to help each other though.

[@joehopfield]

Similarly, replacing gas stoves and heating in the US will be easier if we can drop in 120v appliances with modest sized batteries to help get around 120v system limitations.

[@matt45540]

We will quite literally never do that, you'd have to start over

[@MegaWilderness]

Better yet, change voltage to 220

[@jonevansauthor]

Yeah as Mega Wilderness said, just change your homes to 230v and have done with it. It wouldn't not take long and it's not as if you don't have the voltage supply anyway. Just get on with it and starting using a proper British plug while you're at it. It's not the same as changing to driving on the correct side of the road, which would actually be a lot of work for you.

[@jamesengland7461]

​@jonevansauthor American homes always have had 240V supply. Our smaller appliances use 120V; electric heating, dryers, water heating, and stoves use 240V.

[@Crusherix]

We need 1,000,000x more battery storage for the whole world and more so anything added is sorely needed and appreciated.

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

It's happening. Last year in Europe alone grid scale battery installations doubled to 17.3 GwH. Prices have halved in the past 4 years according to The Economist. Also in that magazine this week a deep dive on solar power. The growth is nothing short of a revolution. In 2004 it took the entire world a year to add 1 GwP of solar power...by 2010 it took a month to add that much, by 2016 it took a week..last year the world added 1 GwP of solar every day and the rate continues to grow as prices keep falling. By the mid 2030's half of global electricity will be from the sun and we are not running out of the materials to make panels or places to put them.

[@curioussand1339]

Tesla and it's stock price is on a solid downhill, but not all have realized it yet

[@rogerstarkey5390]

It's only *UP* 38% in exactly 9 weeks.... 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@AJames-jr8kw]

Every week/month another breakthough. Geely's Aegis Short Blade Battery comes with an energy density of 192 Wh/kg and a cycle life of up to 3,500 cycles. This translates to a driving range of approximately 1 million kilometers with minimal impact on range. At 20,000 kilometers a year, this means the battery can last up to 50 years.

[@james_l4337]

Sodium battery? LFP 3MP LMFP?? Need be safe safe safe, before density ofenergy it has Safe #1 then energy capacity Well hope ot really will all lower energy price!

[@CheddarKungPao]

Is this a paid promotion for CATL? It comes off as one especially in the description of the video. But it isn't marked as one.

[@nickkacures2304]

Battery chemistry is everything for grid storage battery systems and Tesla is sticking to its lithium batteries for grid storage At great risk for the company’s bottom line as better batteries like Vanadium flow and Iron air batteries are already proving to be longer lasting and dramatically less expensive save LFP BATTERIES FOR TRANSPORTATION

[@rogerstarkey5390]

You haven't looked at the CATL website? (Sodium ion for storage) . You really should.

[@havencat9337]

CATL its....just crazy good! In China there are lots of their chargers already installed and they work well. So...this is not dreams on paper, its reality!

[@forgotten_world]

Gravity batteries are a lot more reasonable, with less impact and resources. Other option is the flow batteries. These types of stationary applications should never be using conventional, expensive metallic batteries. One type of gravity batteries can be done with water, but there are other types, such as using solid weights, it is extremely efficient and use less land.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Limited capacity

[@forgotten_world]

@@rogerstarkey5390 The largest batteries on earth are gravity batteries: hydropower. But most types of gravity batteries are easily expanded, modular, and very space efficient.

[@petersimms4982]

Tesla & CATL work together 😊

[@i3looi2]

A main reason Tesla is before others is also the software and automations that comes with the megapacks. Space is rarely the issue, rather price , fiability, delivering time and features.

[@JeremyParsons]

Software is quick and cheap unless dealing with government regulations and stuff like personnel management. You might like to look at predbat software for free, open source charging automation software for home use. Tesla was forced to halve the price of their megapacks this year - I don't think there is any software protecting their margins at all and obviously, they don't make the batteries themselves. China destroyed all solar manufacturing in Europe and the USA and dominate batteries completely - what is next ? cars ? energy storage - what is Tesla doing - I know that it is not a car company now and it is really a robot company and an AI company.

[@josephchan5135]

You are a great host, knowledgeable and professional, yet so relaxing! Cheers!

[@HeadPack]

And pretty.

[@krslavin]

What does "zero battery degradation" mean? If it is truly zero, then the battery state should be identical after every charge cycle, which means it could last forever! I am assuming some form of calendar aging would cause this to not be the case?

[@michaelwinkley2302]

It's more likely that actual capacity is higher than listed capacity, with there being actual degradation but not to the extent that the listed capacity isn't available after 5 years.

[@barry28907]

Wait ... Input 40kW, output 400kW, and 96kWh capacity? So you deliver 2-3 super-fast charging sessions, then sit and recharge for 2.5 hours? The intermittent availability is going to piss drivers off, don't you think?

[@gulliverdalton8680]

I could see them useful in 10min only parking spots in front of corner stores.

[@benmcavoy8674]

Why does it only last for at least 20 years if it has zero degradation?

[@KyleHubb]

Zero degradation in the first five years.

[@juanesparza5712]

In today's fast-paced world, where every minute counts, the ability to charge an electric car at a rate of 13 km/s would be a groundbreaking development. It would significantly enhance the practicality and appeal of electric vehicles.

[@jeffsteyn7174]

What im getting is that Tesla does it first. 2nd movers do it better.

[@Setish92]

Why making it a battle between two companies? They're all working towards the same goal. You, as divulgator should try to reduce this wide polarisation. Please?

[@rickwhite7736]

200 seconds for 200 miles thats faster than filling up with fuel.

[@karlInSanDiego]

Wasting lithium battery resources on DC fast charging stations and grid power storage is stupid and unsustainable. We need to stop seeking faster charging and using grid batteries for energy arbitrage (yes that was why Hornsdale started all of this). We must respect that scaling all of this battery tech comes with severe mining and refining emissions that don't fit within a zero carbon strategy. Grid storage should use pumped hydro or other means, reserving the lithium battery tech for light weight high energy density needed for vehicles. And vehicles should not be wasting battery resource to seek 300+ miles range to satiate uneducated ICE driver's concerns. We're letting tech bros decide our energy strategy and their letting the free market decide what they build. This is leading to LESS efficient vehicles year over year (SUV's and Pickups) as they get bigger and heavier with more power and needless dangerous acceleration. I respect that CATL is able to keep improving batteries. But let's create great sustainable policy, concentrate more of those batteries toward e-bikes and micromobility and get realistic about actual sustainable tech, which this is NOT. Not now, and not under zero carbon.

[@MyUniversalUniversity]

The problem is CATL works with Tesla more then any other company on the planet,. They could buy this from CATL and sell it as well. The megapack is long from ending, and if CATL has a great storage system, Tesla may buy it!! Tesla's Tech is Steller when it comes to the Megapacks, an important part of the energy system. Tesla made 3.7 Billion in energy storage Q2 2024!!! They will be doing this in China, very soon, and probably be using CATL's batteries for their energy storage, Megapack!!!!!!

[@mowensmd]

Iron flow, maybe sodium ion. No need for density in BESS. Tesla Megapack 3 with 23% margins will eliminate substations while generating massive revenues for owners via autobidder. THE NEWS is that stationary storage prices are absolutely plummeting in China. Not really this talk of density for stationary storage. CATL is great. Tesla is great. But you need Tesla in your video title for a reason, don't you.

[@andrewwhittaker43]

Rural and remote Australia Catl please

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Sort out the solar.... (Or get China in to build it 😉)

[@stephen-boddy]

1:45 Janky fake coolant lines. 🤭

[@danielzavela9724]

Very informative program, and an articulate and delightful woman to watch. :)

[@ianstewart7605]

Good, good news!

[@Travlinmo]

I just wish they would not claim 0% degradation. I do reliably of equipment for a living in an environment where we use stuff for 40 years, generally. Nothing I have ever reviewed had no degradation. Just claim less than 1% and you’re still best in class.