The End of Suffering -- Interview with Kim

[@lynnzij1231]

2 seconds in... And I am so jealous. How can this very young lady find bliss , such incredible bliss. ... I'm old , exhausted, and still suffering. How do all these young ones wake up , when is it my turn (sorry , sounding like a victim but better to confess😢😢)

[@johnjacquard863]

such an angel and inspiration

[@elonhusk222]

Love you Kim

[@Sashas-mom]

Ok finally someone said what I’ve secretly said to myself: physically dying seems much preferred to “this”

[@LesleisMommy]

Oh. Kim. I love you! You are such a beautiful friend ❤❤❤

[@tednation]

Kim is so precious

[@personlady2438]

Wow. Just wow. ❤

[@keena1487]

Probably the best interview so far. 👏🏼

[@azcactusflower1]

Resonate with this one xx

[@christinaguimond1706]

Kim, I loved hearing your awakening story. I admire you so much! I also have aphantasia.

[@josephmitchell6796]

Half way through and blown away!

[@SimplyAlwaysAwake]

It’s a good one!

[@NewNow4u]

Fantastic Thank you Kim!

[@stevenrosen5955]

Amazing.....want more....a website, ....a blog...a book...

[@natestott342]

Long time watcher, first time commenter. 42:30 Angelo says " the perception of a discrete self is synonymous with suffering because... it's not there! It's not true." Now I've heard a lot from Angelo and found peace thru his sharings, but this matter of fact statement about the nature of suffering was too sublime not to comment on. Thanks Angelo❤

[@demogadget]

I can relate with Kim. Thanks for this intervieuw.

[@davidalaine3101]

A wonderful description of Awakening. Thank you, Kim & Angelo, for sharing xx

[@agnieszkapiskorska3153]

Absolutly beautiful ❤

[@KimL101]

Beautiful ❤ Love all of this, Kim ❤

[@oneom8158]

The soul becomes so obliviated that it becomes the Univers.... This alone sums it all 💙 my ho my, how beautifully expressed 🙏

[@Veej77]

This was great! Tks🎉

[@AlexanderSamarth]

I'ts funny, I had her kind of health issues and suffering for like 20 years, and all of Angelo's psychological suffering, the anxiety and depression, combined. Now, after the initial awakening, I count it as a blessing, it was all necessary to erode the ego and seeking.

[@eisvogel8099]

To let go all you're not must be so confusing and even painful. Yet there can't be a way back.

[@soulTC]

The initial experience that Kim described is exactly what spontaneously happened to me when I was fourteen years old. Even though it couldn't have lasted more than a few seconds (and might have actually been much less than one second), it shook my life to its foundations. At that age, I'd never heard of spirituality. But, being a bookworm, my natural reaction was to rush off to the library and, eventually, after a couple of weeks of rummaging, I found some books on Zen and knew that these people understood what had happened to me. I was so excited. I joined Transcendental Meditation and practised diligently and read and read and read. That was 48 years ago. I've continued to read and practise since then, but nothing has changed and I feel that my search has sadly borne no fruit. Life is strange.

[@mari46327]

Maybe that’s because there is nothing there to search for. It already is. Sending you love ❤

[@randomseed]

I feel you. What happens next is usually totally different from previous experience, and may not be momentary but more pervasive. The function of this dharma candy you've received was to direct your attention towards a long-term point which you've probably reached already. When I was in your situation I started daily concentration practice (3x15 mins, then 3x20 mins, then 3x30 mins) and a weekly practice of just feeling myself (body) in silence. It moved then.

[@randomseed]

There are some people like us who had a glimpse of expansion and big mind but without going into "full reboot". Then what happens is we have this thoughts with more space between them, kind of a distance, but we still identify with the subtlest of them. There is nostalgia for the initial experience which is kind of frozen in thoughts as a memory. That can be quite an obstacle because it may have emotional value, therefore creating a strong reference point that we have a tendency to use in planning what should happen in the future. The emotional part afterwards is also strong, it makes us more sensitive to what happens in our bodies. Letting go is a key since feelings can still direct attention towards thoughts. In my case the turning point was to revalidate what I mean by observing/absorbing/watching. "Becoming one" ("sinking into", "merging") approach, instead of looking at myself (or my internal processes) from the perspective of imaginary "outside", was liberating (in a sense of method that can penetrate further layers).

[@randomseed]

BTW, not having "full reboot" at the beginning of my journey - at least in my case - was a blessing. For years I thought it wasn't but it's just so perfectly adapted to my characteristics. It kind of forced me to learn how to deal with stuff after my sensitivity increased. Handling things as they come and remaining clear internally (with a kind of auto-surrender mode enabled) after some years makes everything so much easier and so called spiritual experiences consumable without attachment.

[@n-xsta]

Wow this is so beautiful 🥹🥰🙏🏾

[@Tom_Torres]

❤ Kim

[@lennartp186]

A deep thank you to you both 🙏🏻❤️

[@lindadeakin]

🙏 beautiful.

[@themeep2494]

I see the brilliant pinprick of light, Robert Monroe mentions it in his third book on OBEs. Sometimes the light is a cloud with a cluster of pinpricks like stars, then it looks more like that thing in the void, or maybe it's the pineal gland lighting up.

[@soulinfo.]

So relatable, thank you!

[@cosmogang]

Much love to you both

[@catherinehealy8410]

I thank you both for this beautiful interview it was amazing listening to you. Thank you Angelo for asking Kim about physical pain. As a lifetime sufferer and recently after the Synergy Retreat getting relief from my pain I realised while Kim was talking about pain that I went deep into my pain during the Retreat as sitting doing the meditation rounds was so very painful. Thank you again, Cathy

[@life13525]

thank you sooo much ...yes dying over and over ...so good to hear that from others..because you do feel lonely with all of it at times...

[@life13525]

would be great to hear more from the shift from I AM to beyond...

[@annsunderland4673]

Absolutely stunning ! Love Kim so clear wise authentic thank you both ❤️❤️

[@sun-ship]

Wonderful interview. Inspiring person.

[@miki_wiki12]

Thank you for this conversation! Currently, I’m fearful of going deep into self-enquiry because I’m caring after my father. After hearing of other people’s experiences, I’m afraid that awakening will disrupt my life in a way that will be detrimental to my loved ones. Not sure if Angelo has touched on this subject before, but I would be grateful if anyone can offer some insights.

[@yasminel-hakim4348]

thank you both for this wonderful conversation. 🙏❤️

[@cheriemiller669]

Angelo, I love this conversation so much. Kim is so clear and her story is beautiful. When she talked about seeing the universe when she closed her eyes and everything moving in her visual field, I really felt confirmation. You have really blessed my life. Thank you so much!❤

[@SimplyAlwaysAwake]

😄💥🌈

[@ikraamsg]

I love how the channel logo ethereally appears.

[@professordeb]

This was a powerful interview. Many very helpful insights. 🙏🏻❤🙏🏻

[@ambermarie24]

Kim you are so inspiring and I’m so happy to have heard your story. I don’t have any experience with chronic pain, but to hear that it’s possible to no longer suffer even with pain is simply amazing. Thank you for sharing ❤

[@Maart-je]

This is so helpful, encouraging and relatable! Thank you so much Kim and Angelo ♡♡

[@lauraeleven]

"I AM" in my understanding is our higher mind, having nothing at all to do with the body or the ego, It is the Divine Self which is our true nature. Thanks for this interesting conversation.

[@aelien]

❤❤❤What a delight. I can relate so much with her story , its crazy.🙏. So much heart in this. Thank you Angelo for giveing this to us.🥰

[@HP-is-here]

Aphantasia 🙋🏼‍♀️ Kim’s story is so similar (I also had no idea what had happened after my first awakening and had never heard of non-duality); I loved this whole conversation ❤ I echo other requests for “more Kim!”

[@lynlavalight]

same here, on all counts. Didn't have a clue and more Kim.

[@karen6778]

I’ve been watching this from work throughout the day (sound off but captions on) and I’ve never been so enthralled in a discussion before. Wow! Thank you Kim and Angelo. Will definitely watch this again with the sound on. 🙏🙏🙏🙏 🥰

[@nicolabishop996]

Me again.....I also have autoimmune health conditions, and to hear Kim say that there can be no suffering with it, brought tears and a deep wish to know that here. Thank you to both of you🙏❤

[@discardmyfriends]

Wishing the best for you 💓

[@skyebrows]

Take this however, but I've known many who found autoimmune condition relief with a carnivore diet. If that aligns with you, I hope you find relief in a medical sense and via equanimity

[@bridgetcampbell6629]

Wonderful conversation! I was delighted by Kim's reference to Swami Sarvapriyananda (the 10th Man story). I can't stop watching his videos, and also Angelo's--and resonate deeply to both. Thank you, Kim and Angelo!

[@75accamargo]

I really love Swami Sarvapriananda’s talks too. ✨

[@nat998]

I also enjoy Swami Sarvapriyananda's talks too 💛

[@Kim-sherie]

It’s my favourite story

[@johnpienta4200]

I love what John O'Donohue had to say about it: the body is in the soul... and the soul is a dangerous thing to have... We know we are having a good conversation when we hear ourselves saying things we never knew we knew." Separate quotes from different contexts but very, very germane.

[@soundbath701]

I have had this fear you spoke about at the start for a number of years now. For the most part it came up part of these expasive type experiences that come over me. There is a starting of loosing of yourself. I would immediately get scared then I would contract. It happened most of the time during meditation. I have stopped meditations now, I wasnt sure how to move through it. I dont know what to do. I am reading your book. Great interview is she from Australia?

[@maryannscanlon8655]

I could really relate to her experiences. And to yours. I think what I’ve had has mostly been tastes. Many of which occurred after the AOL retreat. I’ve also had a sudden experience of death being something to avoid. Never been afraid of it. There was definitely some transmission going on there. Will watch some more of her stuff. Kim you are amazing. Thanks for telling your story.

[@nat998]

Thank you for sharing your incredible story with us, Kim! ☺️ 🙏🏻 I'm surprised by how much I can relate to so many aspects of it, particularly the chronic pain side of it; as well as the emotional component (feeling existential terror, and a sense of mourning and grieving). [00:54:08] - [00:55:18] You're very inspiring, and hearing you speak to reaching that equanimous place of acceptance/surrender; free from personal suffering - after a lifetime of chronic pain/autoimmune disease... is deeply wonderful to hear. I'm happy for you. What a relief. 🤗 This whole conversation was truly mind-blowing. The depth of insight, and emotional integration (post-awakening) is beautiful to hear. Highly articulate, and a very thorough articulation of the perceptual shifts that occur with an awakening. [00:13:12] - [00:16:15] The most beautiful account, wow! ❤️🙏🏻 I can't imagine aphantasia; having no visual imagination - my own imagination is like something out of a Terry Gilliam movie. I have even seen my room reappear through a 3-D padded eyemask, with my eyes closed. The mind's eye has always been vivid. It was beautiful hearing you speak about seeing the energetic, divine light, and then later on towards the end, speaking of it again, as always being here, even with eyes open... Sometimes looking straight into the entire universe. [1:02:07] - [1:04:17] It was also interesting to hear you touch on the flat 2-D appearance of the visual field, such as when driving. [37:37] - [39:46] Regressing the I Am Sense, seeing beyond that. Seeing beyond Consciousness as an assumed ground of Being [59:16] - [1:02:02] [48:35] - [50:15] beautiful explanation on letting go 🙏🏻 Honestly, this is all a goldmine. Here's the bit speaking to me right now: [00:34:07] - [00:35:09] Intimacy and freshness with aliveness, being born and dying over and over. I just love this part in the chat. [51:57] - [53:31] 🙏🏻✨ Beautiful convo, Angelo and Kim! Really penetrating questions, as well as mind-shattering revelations! Love these awakening stories. Thank you for sharing, Kim! ☺️💛🙏🏻

[@nat998]

​@bestillandknowIamOh wow, thank you so much, Rolandito! I appreciate your kindness! ☺️ I absolutely loved Kim's interview. My Yeeta Corn! Wow, who knew this was her journey? Jhana states, awakening, cessation. Mind-blowing conversation! I think this was the most in-depth interview Angelo's done so far. It was brilliant. My timestamps are all over the show! Those are the bits I wanted to highlight for quick reference, because I was having to scroll back and forth to the bits I wanted to hear again. If the clips resonate with others, then it's a double-bonus! ☺️ Really, the WHOLE interview goes hard! I really benefitted a lot from hearing it, and glad to hear you did as well. Kim's awesome! You're also awesome, amigo! 💛🤗✨

[@Kim-sherie]

Oh man I love you guys ❤. You have both been here this whole time with me, giving me advice and showing me I wasn’t alone, and I always love reading your beautiful writing Nat

[@nat998]

​@@Kim-sherieDitto! 🤗❤️Love ya right back, Kim! It means a lot to me, thank you so much! I feel the same of you! Your presence here made me feel like I wasn't a lone rider here myself, and I too took great value in reading your beautiful comments. It always made me smile reading 'em. I was always rooting for you, Yeeta! When you left abruptly I just knew... 💛☺️

[@Kim-sherie]

@@nat998 ❤️❤️ thank you 🙏 yeah I dropped away because the suffering became really intense at one point, the only way to go was in

[@nat998]

@@Kim-sherie I can relate so much ❤️ When going through hell, suffering can _feel_ unbearable in the moment... and there really is nowhere to run. You can't avoid having to bear it, but, all things must pass. As you say, the only way out is through... straight through. "Wonders of a lifetime Right there before your eyes Searching with this life of ours You gotta make the journey out and in (Out and in, out and in..." ~ _'Out and In'_ - The Moody Blues I'm very glad to to hear that suffering is no longer experienced. May life continue to unfold beautifully for you! Lovely seeing you. Take utmost care, Kim! ❤️🤗

[@lynlavalight]

I spent my life in chronic deep depression until awakening. I have already cried oceans of tears. Had 20 years of therapy. Listening to Kim, the thought came: Does this mean more and more greiving and tears here? Since things happen in a different order for different people am really I done or will it come up again? I already know my life doesn’t belong to an individual.

[@Ryan-Dempsey]

I was thinking the same. You can try a muscle test to find out. Ask yourself: is there more pain to work through, is there more grieving to be processed? Tense right hand if "yes" and left hand if "no". I started intuitively doing this and found it keeps me honest as the body doesn't tend to lie like the thoughts do.

[@Kim-sherie]

It can be hard, what helped was to really accept everything as it is. If you have tears for the 20th time that morning then let them be, let them flow. It’s really about acceptance of all emotions and not changing them into something so we feel better❤

[@lynlavalight]

@@Kim-sherie Yes, thank you for replying. It was a thought or memory of dread and I don't have to let it be anything other than a passing thought that has nothing to do with reality.

[@Kim-sherie]

@@lynlavalightexactly

[@kenjones102]

There's vast difference between "I and that" and I am THAT, the THATNESS, which is limitless, unbounded Awareness. On the laughing/crying, listen to the Beatles' Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band album. You'll hear it. I suspect it was to reflect the experience on LSD, which can be much like the experience post-Awakening.

[@alfreddifeo9642]

Thanks for sharing this, 🎯♥😶 🙏☮ wishing love, grace, courage and understanding for all. Please keep reminding us because It does help. Thank you both. The Grounding rods of and to God

[@johncolley9249]

Holy shit, that’s what I have to say

[@Daniild-ul3pl]

I know right, I feel so blown out I don’t know what to say but holy shit!!

[@Ryan-Dempsey]

Great conversation. A little ominous because things are moving a lot here and obviously there's no way for me to know how or where it's going because that would be mind. One thing I do know is that it will happen lol. I'm also aware that it doesn't need to be painful. I feel like I'm also a bit addicted to feeling pain because life has been painful so far. Occasionally I'll have a question arise like: "do you want it to be painful?". Feels like life inviting me to actually feel good for once rather than focusing on pain. Another perspective.

[@Ryan-Dempsey]

Either way I'll find out lol. I like the Steve jobs quote: you can't connect the dots looking forward, only when you look back. It's amazing how it unfolds in such an intelligent way and it makes sense in hindsight but in the moment it makes no sense at all.

[@emmarafferty9772]

I been asking myself who am i, where am i from, where was i before i was here. Form a very young age one of my 1st memories. I stopped contemplating. I was living in the program caught up in the drama. Until recently i have began to enquire again. I'm not suffering in my life how o used to. I enjoy my life and my things and ppl. Childern ... this is why I'm not pushing it. But I can totally relate to what this girl is saying. Ive been doing breathwork for 5 years as a practice. I have had many visions. I've not been out for days tho.

[@kevinmai2947]

Wow did she say she made it all the way where the I Am sense disappears? Seems so fast. I am not sure I am there yet.

[@joolslorien3936]

40:21 Didn’t Adyashanti recently speak about the trauma and suffering he has experienced even after going beyond the I am? Wonderful to hear you’ve experienced relief from your lifelong pain and suffering Kim.

[@Kim-sherie]

There can still be pain, what shifts is the resistance and judgement of it. The sensations are just that and nothing more, there is no one to attach to the suffering and create it into something it never was

[@joolslorien3936]

Beautiful conversation ❤ thank you both so much. Loved how clearly Kim expressed the necessity of committing 100% to surrender.

[@nicolabishop996]

It sounds like what happened to me on a month long retreat with my teacher. It was towards the end of the retreat and I was in second Jhana, apparently. I didn't know at the time what it was. The light. The big smile from within and out. The quietness. The collapse of the "self". But fear came in and I scrambled up. So far, it hasn't returned. I've spent time "trying". Obviously, that didn't work. I don't know where to go from here. There is trauma in the system. Any ideas Angelo?

[@Ryan-Dempsey]

The intelligence or information flowing through is my experience too. Feels a bit like the movie limitless at times. Where a page in a book that I read years ago will just suddenly pop into awareness at the right time. My younger brother also throughout his life would come out with these random facts at the dinner table relating to what we were talking about. We'd all ask: "how do you know all this shit", and he'd just reply, "I dunno I just know it" lol.

[@Le_Kinho]

Hi Kim - have you noticed any improvement in your AI symptoms in this process?

[@Kim-sherie]

Yes, I’ve been on immunosuppressants my whole life, I no longer need to take them, I’m also not discounting the possibility of needing them in the future. But this is the first time I’ve never needed any medication

[@Marphale]

I still don't understand this thing about no choice in anything when at the same time there are suggestions as to how to awaken. I think I'll have it written on my gravestone: "Didn't understand how there could be both no choice in anything and yet plenty of advice on how to go through and handle awakening.". Perhaps you all have no choice but to give me the advice, and I have no choice but to not follow it. That said, I enjoyed the interview. Or at least the 46 minutes I've managed to watch so far. Incredible stuff.

[@tonyt1551]

There are choices being made just no person making them. Conditions come together and seen (like this interview) which can make narratives see things in new ways and new conditions , realizations , narratives form etc.. Characteristics of a character are still there just the belief in a controlling entity are seen to have never been there

[@Marphale]

@@tonyt1551 Sounds like hell... I mean at the moment I think I'm making decisions etc. I think I'm deciding what to write. You're telling me that I don't exist or something?

[@tonyt1551]

@@Marphale I understand the mind thinking it’s hell. It’s freedom though. It’s all always been happening this way. The created self that came around when you were around 2 years old started talking and believing things about reality like a football commentator who talks about the game as it’s being played but actually isn’t controlling any aspect of the game. That goes on but the belief you ever were that narration goes away.

[@Kim-sherie]

The suggestions are either heard or they’re not. If you are in a conversation with someone , do you need to think about every word that flows from your mouth or do the words just come. Looking like that will show you no doer

[@Marphale]

​@@Kim-sherieI wish the words did come! Quite often I've no idea what to say!

[@randomseed]

@lifeiswise: Hi Kim! Does your jhanic experience of light did something to aphantasia so certain visual imaginations are now accessible? (Sorry if that was answered already and I missed it in the interview.)

[@Kim-sherie]

The light wasn’t a Jhana state nor was it in the closed visual area , I still have apahantasia. But I guess I could say that I can see the 3rd eye area

[@randomseed]

@@Kim-sherie Aha, I've applied wrong optics to your initial experience because sometimes it's like jhanas being spontaneously attained just before "reboot" and the descriptions of states are quite similar to description of jhanic states. I've had similar thing to yours years ago but stopped seconds (or minutes) after expansion (everything was included in me, including "sitting me" and my body). When the notion of time did this funny thing (like slow motion, subjectively) and everything was started to appear and be perceived kind of on its own, disorientation caused fear to appear in this "sitting me" (some "heavy" thoughts started to stick together and maintain kind of solidity), and everything agreed that it's not the best time to go further. But I'm happy you've built-in courage to let it happen to the very end since it gives people like me hope it's survivable. :)

[@maryannscanlon8655]

Angelo what is her website again? I know you mentioned it. Thanks

[@joolslorien3936]

You can find it in the description

[@chipjones205]

Hi Angelo, much gratitude for spreading this message. As far as the strange and unusual experiences I hear described, do you think Ramana Maharshi would say they are tricks of the mind? If I'm not mistaken, even you have indicated that awakening is "nothing special" and not full of cosmic fireworks and a lot of woo woo. I get so confused. I've been meditating for many years. The first time I ever sat, I found myself out of my body, looking down on my body and feeling a mix of unconditional love and pity or sadness that I hadn't realized that this "idea" of body was poverty. I have never experienced that again and it's been around 30 years. I keep on striving though. Blessings and Namaste, Chip

[@paulwalker6907]

As Ramana said Be as You Are.

[@basilechatelain965]

Perfect ! I just have a question not related to the interview directly and I don't know if it's already been adressed but did you already explored the possibility of all of it being a simultaion, life, the universe ?

[@Jeronimo365]

Just curious, are you suggesting that unexplained chronic pain can be a precursor to ‘waking up?’ Or simply that as a happy by-product, pain ceases to be problematic in the presence of non-duality? Many thanks. 🙏☯️

[@SimplyAlwaysAwake]

It is often a precursor

[@HiluT]

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[@Buddhishgirl]

Angelo could you do a video to explain what you and Kim meant about the I am sense? I was confused when hearing that consciousness would be limited in some way or that the phrase "I am that" can be limiting, etc... I am not on that part. Thanks

[@SimplyAlwaysAwake]

You can search my channel for vids with I Am in title there are a few I think

[@dommccaffry3802]

Pheasants !!...

[@niallbourke7963]

'Who am I', it's actually better to ask 'What am I'.

[@grahamtrave1709]

It’s just an experience … a free sample. Ramesh Balsekar …. I was gone …. Who is this I. Nothing to reorient to.

[@simonaschmidt]

What about the discomforting/unnerving looping of the mind/ stream of thinking that has a negative tone? Do you go into it in the same way you go into the pain of the body ( as you express here)? Or is there another approach?

[@randomseed]

[0:45] 💥

[@stevenrosen5955]

Presence will help you penetrate beyond the I am sense........what does that mean?

[@debbiewagner7087]

Why are you complicating this???? Direct awakening is so simple.

[@SimplyAlwaysAwake]

Do tell!

[@maicolx7776]

Fake! I m so sorry people. Just an experience in the dream or making up. Study Sri Ramana Maharshi (or Jean Klein).

[@SimplyAlwaysAwake]

Interesting. What about Nisargadatta? Buddha? Tony Parsons? Gangaji? Adyashanti? Tolle? Which are fake and which are real and why?

[@exercisethedemons]

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