The End Times - Orthodox Vs Evangelical Protestant Teachings - Presentation 4

[@nullclass0813]

Everyone in America needs to be watching these right now.

[@JC.AEP2]

Fr

[@Amykinns1]

Great series! I was raised Protestant and within the last year stumbled upon Orthodoxy. Learning and diving deeper has been very validating of my doubts about Protestant beliefs but most importantly, Orthodoxy has drawn me closer to God.

[@mamabearblue3667]

Thank you, Father! Very helpful, especially for me (a newly illumined former southern Baptist)!

[@alexanderlukubisa6738]

Thank you for the clarity

[@jonathanskeet5076]

Thank you Father - a convert to Holy Orthodoxy in my late fifties, I have very good protestant Christian friends who are convinced by dispensationalism and this is a wonderful resource to be able to engage (not argue!) with them about this.

[@Im_No_Expert_72]

Very good, thanks 🙏☦️

[@JohnKlimakos]

Thanks for these videos Father- very informative.

[@traceyedson9652]

A strong argument at least can be made from St Paul that it was never about genetic Abrahamites but faith-ful ones.

[@mary-jodukas7627]

I'm really enjoying this series. Very educational!

[@jamesbarksdale978]

Another excellent video!

[@InterestedInDansk]

To discuss this topic requires honesty

[@TheKentington]

Great Teaching! God Bless

[@thesipesisrandom4534]

You do NOT need to reject Genesis to accept Orthodox Eschatology!

[@konnorporter5115]

How do you know when scripture is referring to Baptism of the Holy Spirit vs Baptism by water?

[@liambeirowski4680]

The river of Egypt does not refer to the Nile. It refers to the brook of Egypt.

[@Durnyful]

Ops! Symbolism.... low church evangelicals seem to pick & choose on a random basis....

[@psbb4him]

I would just add that the speaker mistakenly assumes that all evangelicals are dispensationalists. They are not. The dispensationalists may be the loudest in addressing the end times, but there are many many evangelicals that regent dispensationalism.

[@psbb4him]

Correction: reject not rejent

[@adamhustler3639]

@@psbb4him ... he's already mentioned this in the previous installments of the series.

[@psbb4him]

I didn’t realize there was a series on this topic. I will check it out.

[@gloverfamily3925]

I thought the evolution vs creation arc was not quite relevant to the study of eschatology.

[@antoniomunjiza5707]

The apocalypse has been explained by Dr Ben Vatican in his book why the climate is changing a biblical perspective available on Amazon.

[@dcbl2655]

You had mentioned that the millenium kingdom is happening today - not at some future time - which I also lean towards. Christ, in the Father's timing, will come once - not 2 or 3 times per the Dispensationalists' view, judge, punish, and finally rule forever in the new heaven and earth. My difficulty is in Isaiah 55:17-25 - specifically: Isaiah 55:20 - Never again will one of her infants live just a few days or an old man die before his time. Indeed, no one will die before the age of one hundred; anyone who fails to reach the age of one hundred will be considered cursed. This verse implies death is still occurring at this unique future time. Death can't happen in Christ's eternal reign in the New Jerusalem since it was also cast in the lake of fire prior to that. I can only seem to explain this verse if it speaks of another reign different from Christ's eternal reign in the New Jerusalem. Would this not imply a separate time of peaceful rule separate from the New Jerusalem rule? I can't seem to reconcile this. Can you please give me your insight? Thank you.

[@thesipesisrandom4534]

Man i am SO on board with so much, but then you get into Evolution madness in your explanations... So many more people wohld embrace Orthodoxy if the current priests stuck to the Fathers in their interpretations of Genesis! Read Serraphim Rose's great Genesis book!

[@annelid4728]

Has Father Seraphim Rose received thorough scientific education? No? Then with all respect, please leave some space for us who accept evolution.

[@mrmadmaxalot]

The way I am seeing it, he mentioned this for just a minute to illustrate the reasons there was a movement towards fundamentalism. The main point is that fundamentalists generally consider interpreting it this way to be an unbridgeable difference. The Orthodox Church has no position on creation vs. evolution. I have met Orthodox on both sides of that opinion all worshiping and fellowshiping together in the love of Christ. Neither side is 'dogmatized' or 'demonized' in the church. The focus is on Christ.

[@prayunceasingly2029]

He wasn't promoting evolution, he was explaining history of the evangelical church in relation to scientific discovery. I think that accepting evolution as fact would undermine many scriptural truths. To say God created the world along with science means that he had assistance in creating the world. God doesn't need assistance if he's God. That's my conclusion. I used to accept evolution incorporated into Genesis. It's not compatible with an all powerful God who needs nothing to help him to create all things.

[@EasternRomeOrthodoxy]

@@annelid4728 We'll have a room for you near your relatives in the zoo👉🦍🦧🐒

[@EasternRomeOrthodoxy]

🤺☦️🇷🇺Don't lie about what he said, or maybe you can't read? We Orthodox hate evolution and we believe in a literal interpretation of creation, only that YOU think you are an authority as individuals to interpret EVERYTHING yourselves, and you don't even know the meaning behind it or what is actually written in the original language! You invented a childish cartoon senario called "Rapture" which isn't anywhere in the Bible, and you can't distinguish where in the Bible symbolism is used and where it is literal meaning🤦‍♂️

[@nohandle-b8u]

I could totally mosh to you dude! Oh no oh oh no I can't hold it in.... IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THE BIBLE IS LITERALLY LITERAL JUST LOVE YOUR FUCKING NEIGHBOR ROOOOOOOOOOAR!!!!!

[@XXX_xxxxxxxx]

You're a trip...😂😂😂

[@nohandle-b8u]

@@XXX_xxxxxxxx but am I wrong?

[@XXX_xxxxxxxx]

@@nohandle-b8u not necessarily

[@nohandle-b8u]

@@XXX_xxxxxxxx got a sweet quote for ya, anyone who trusts a church that takes loans from a bank is a fucking moron, tell me I'm wrong 😎👍

[@InterestedInDansk]

*Jesus Christ's understanding of Resurrection* Resurrection is a very big subject but applies chiefly to the resurrection on the 3rd day, when the children of God will be enveloped in a new and glorified body, (a body which will resemble the body of the one they had in the prime of their lives during the 1st day which is today), these resurrections into a glorified body can be witnessed by the children of God, as they are angelic witnesses and Christ's in their own right from the 2nd day. The reign of these Christ's is up to a thousand years, they also witness the children of men as well as angels as they transition in the 1st day to the 2nd days. We also have an explanation of resurrection and its counterpart which is reincarnation, from Our Lord when He discussed with Nicodemus the fact that there were two dichotomies regarding salvation, the physical return of a person unfit for the 'Kingdom of God' and the spiritual exit of a person who is fit for it. Our lord consolidates this teaching when He spoke to the 'Rich young Ruler' stating his salvation was assured because of his following the law of Moses but this salvation was secondary as it involved merely reincarnation. So one is locked into the 1st day, (Hodie ), and the other released from matter into the 'Kingdom of God' as an angelic child, to begin the 2nd day. The fact that this realm has existed to our knowledge for thousands of years suggests that no one is lost and are in familial groups. Further we can set as a biblical fact that the first millennial people who followed Our Lord are arisen bodily in their 3rd day, and that the Old Testament people who followed the Law of Moses are as well, as recorded in Exodus 20:6. The teaching of Our Lord is not about reincarnation but how to overcome reincarnation yet he does not deny reincarnation. Consider the teaching of the 'sermon on the mount' when He said "The meek shall inherit the earth" this is a clear reference to returning to another body ( earth or matter) after one life has been spent, and contrasts with the terms required for one to "enter into the Kingdom of God" who has the burden of his own cross. Therefore the meek can inherit only material life, (because of their disposition) but they may not enter the kingdom of God, because it requires great and determined faith. We must also consider St John the Baptist and his role as Elijah redivivus, and in so doing call to mind the words used by Jesus to the Jews of is day, "where I am going you cannot come" because those Jews would only achieve reincarnation but Jesus Christ is Lord of the resurrection so His own resurrection on the 3rd day was witnessed on the 1st day and is still being witnessed on this Ist day. Yet we must keep in mind the instant generosity by which the Good Thief was accepted into Paradise. John 8:21 Again he said to them, "I go away, and you will seek me and die in your sin; where I am going, you cannot come." Hebrews 6:6-8 Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, again he sets a certain day, "Today," saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted, "Today, when you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts." 8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not speak later of another day.

[@EasternRomeOrthodoxy]

Just a correction: well, no, this area you talked about and showed was promised to ALL ABRAHAM'S descendants, which includes Arameans (Nahor) and Arabs (Ishmael) not just the Jews, so it is not obsolete, but has already been fulfilled, and that proves our Orthodox view and not their heretic claims, which regard the secular pagan Zionist state, so called Israel, as the continuation of the Israelites, which in fact, it doesn't even represents Jews at all

[@mitchellc4]

The gospel is the gospel of the kingdom! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah died for his people! God resurrected the Messiah! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Matt 24 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.

[@ΓραικοςΕλληνας]

Αctually there is no such word as kingdom in the original language text of the New Testament but there is the word βασιλεία that actually is the union with the majestic Glory of God his δόξα

[@mitchellc4]

@@ΓραικοςΕλληνας ???? 932 basileía (from 935 /basileús, "king") - properly, kingdom; the realm in which a king sovereignly rules.

[@ΓραικοςΕλληνας]

@@mitchellc4 no wrong kingdom is βασίλειον in reality there is not one place is scripture original language saying βασιλειο

[@ΓραικοςΕλληνας]

@@mitchellc4 βασιλεία is the power in scripture it is synonymous with δόξα Glory 1 thess.2:12 that we are called for it. The βασιλεία in scripture is seen as something Uncreated. As i said no where in scripture is βασίλειον kingdom

[@mitchellc4]

@@ΓραικοςΕλληνας And nobody knows this but you?

[@merlinidlehands3302]

why dont you teach folks how to love ?

[@Thumbdumpandthebumpchump]

Why do you assume he doesn't?

[@albusai]

Father????? 🤔 call no one father but your God in heaven

[@TheRadChadDad]

Yikes…what do you call your Dad?

[@ΓραικοςΕλληνας]

So does the Lord contradict himself in your logic that in ch 8 john called Abraham father of the jews.

[@albusai]

Got to let the Bible interpret the Bible , eating means believing,, you’ll see it in the old and New Testament

[@rebeccastanhope3989]

And thus all the confusion

[@petersonnenberg9526]

The promises that LORD made to Abraham and David are not symbolic. He will fulfill them litterary eventually.

[@petersonnenberg9526]

The LAND, the CITY, the HOUSE... waiting for the fulfillment in the seed (singular) of Abraham and David

[@johnkla7866]

@@petersonnenberg9526 Even Paul says that the house of the lord is not a literal house 1 Cor 3:16. So why would it have to be taken literal elsewhere? This is a typical protestant fallacy because they only have the written word to rely on, coupled with a materialist Augustinian interpretation of the bible.

[@GINMOONLIGHT]

@@petersonnenberg9526 And Jesus is the seed

[@GINMOONLIGHT]

@@johnkla7866 no we have the written word of God not just Saint Augustine.

[@johnkla7866]

@@GINMOONLIGHT I think pretty much any Christian denomination respects and honors the BIble. The question is how it is interpreted.

[@donhaddix3770]

orthodox believe a fantasy they cannot prove.

[@nohandle-b8u]

You had me at symbolism 😭 How many times every frickin month if your neighbor has something against you if your neighbor has something against you if your neighbor has something against you if your... (dude we are the body we give our blood you got communion inverted) I think I'm ready to be baptized now 3rd times the charm 😎👍 You guys have been selfishly taking communion for like 1700 years haven't you? #THROWDOWN!!! We are all baptized for the dead (sorry dude) Now just imagine what you could do if you started giving communion correctly! Just keeps coming, describing God as the God of self sacrifice would be far more beneficial then blathering on about some trinity. The Holy Spirit interprets scripture, me I'm just stoned. 😎👍

[@XXX_xxxxxxxx]

Duuuuuude....🍄🍄🍄

[@EasternRomeOrthodoxy]

Get lost lol

[@andys3035]

Oh boy 🤦‍♂️

[@jonathanskeet5076]

That comment was a bit like lots of pots and pans being dropped down a stone staircase in a big echoey building and made just as much sense.

[@nohandle-b8u]

@@jonathanskeet5076 dude