The Erosion of Women's Rights? | Ayaan Hirsi Ali | EP 155

This episode was recorded on Feb 2nd, 2021
Ayaan Hirsi Ali and I discuss, among other topics, immigration, the changing safety of women in public (particularly in areas of Europe), clashing values of western cultures and Islam, win-win propositions, and many more career-ending topics.
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- Chapters -
(0:00) Intro
(1:27) The story begins, fathers and Somalia
(5:54) Freedom under fire
(7:07) A terrifying conversation
(8:03) You should be triggered
(11:31) Ayaan’s argument on sexual assault
(14:36) Bad reporting standards, immigration stigma
(18:11) Rude questions, letting politics justify lies
(25:37) Why immigrants are demographically more criminal
(32:00) Women-free zones in France
(34:55) A win-win is possible, but we have to try
(37:30) Positive assimilation
(42:25) Why emotional leadership leads to ruin
(47:57) Necessary criteria, geography
(51:05) Holland, faith in values
(53:23) What you can learn from a society that runs on time
(57:11) The shock of suddenly having freedom
(1:00:01) The Islamic attitude toward women and modernity
(1:06:30) We only tell one side of the story
(1:08:09) Attributing universal guilt only to the west is actually an act of supremacy
(1:10:20) A conclusion: we can integrate foreign culture without sacrificing the native ones
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[@MohammedHijab]

Ayaan Hirsi 40:36 'there was a proposition to yes impose the values of liberal societies on the incoming minorities' . Makes one wonder the extent to which liberalism, ostensibly a doctrine of tolerance, can tolerate anything other than itself. Surprised she was not challenged on this by Dr. Peterson, one of the most vocal advocates of freedom of expression in our times.

[@Googleaccount-ju9wb]

You should have a discussion with Jordan Peterson

[@malikmohsinreflections4478]

If he is sincere,he ought to have a civic discussion with a muslim scholar..DO it . Javid Gamdi is there..I am making a video too..

[@georgeapostolou9192]

Hi Moe.Just checking to see if this comment stays up. Cheers

[@fahimal9417]

Liberalism is a fallacy. It’s okay to voice their opinion or go with their values but when the others want to voice their opinion and want to hold on to their values, their ‘liberalism’ goes out the window.

[@georgeapostolou9192]

@Dara Gafoor Moe is just not interesting, important or intellectual enough..... and bear in mind that Jordan has even had conversations with Matthew McConaughe. We all know that big fragile Moe is jumping up and down to get JP's attention. He'll be ignored, inshallah.

[@onioncrusader2191]

If you’re scared to have a conversation, that’s a sign that you should probably have the conversation.

[@BlackJack-lg3vx]

There is a Muslim reaction to this by saajid. You should watch it .

[@falzubair]

If you are scared to have a conversation, that means that your society has oppressed you and that's not a good sign. good point

[@LlibertarianGalt]

@@BlackJack-lg3vx You should check out Act17Apologetics

[@TheInfamousHoreldo]

Are those your own words? They are very good words either way. Just curious

[@onioncrusader2191]

@@TheInfamousHoreldo I’m sure it’s an aggregate of things I’ve heard before but that’s my quote yeah. Nothing is really original.

[@crypton_8l87]

What is shocking to me is how hard it is for a man even as open and interested as Mr. Jordan - to even START to see the issue from a woman's perspective!! Ayaan Hirsi Ali.. thank you for speaking out for all women.

[@ahgdubh3366]

Hello. I am curious as to what makes you think he had a difficult time understanding the issues she very eloquently raises?

[@mc.8391]

I came to exactly the same conclusion as you have here

[@petraz.6166]

It is so soothing to hear someone to talk about serious topics without condemning and insulting... But just sharing the knowledge, experiences, facts and ideas about it. Thank you very much! I wish you both all the best! I really hope that our western society will stop hating itself and will find a way to be fair to itself and to others.

[@Steadyaim101]

My parents were both soldiers, both were deployed to Bosnia, Somalia, and Afghanistan. The things they've seen have left them mentally scarred, to the point I have had to take emergency triage training for PTSD attacks. One of the worst was my dad having to watch a woman be stoned to death in Kabul by her family because she made the mistake of accepting a ride from Canadian soldiers who offered to help carry her groceries home. He also had to deal with people throwing their young girls in from of the tanks as they drove by. They were hoping the girls would be run over because when a child was hit by a tank the year before the Canadian Army gave the family a cow. They were hoping they could get a cow too. My mother had to shower in water that tested positive for human DNA. It was from the bodies of hundreds of Muslim people who were taken up to the lake nearby, shot, and then their bodies were fed into the lake through a woodchipper by the Serbian army to hide their war crimes. I work in a social science department that is very Liberal. don't know how to communicate to my academic colleagues that modern critical studies ideology seems so NAIVE AND TRIVIAL to me. How conceited can someone be to care about manspreading in a world of genocide through rape, legal slavery of women, genital mutilation, and no access to even basic healthcare?

[@andrewofaiur]

I haven't been so repulsed by a youtube comment like this before...I want to believe this is false but I'm also from a part of the world where at least during my grandparent's generation, women were second class citizens and treated as property. But never this bad. Fuck.

[@John7585]

JBP conversation and lecture are my best external tools for sorting out the state of things. Not that I have any idea what to do yet..

[@John7585]

Thank you for the personal post

[@gurmadtv231]

lol you the thinks they have over there right!!

[@FedericoMattiello]

Thanks for sharing your story. I agree: "trivial and naive". These stories don't enter the public discourse because they're too grim for the evening TV news, but they should!

[@alottaguala9766]

Listening to JP evokes the greatest sense of gratitude everytime. As a 22 yr old I feel so lucky to be able to have such a great individual, a role model, a aim, to strive for and with all that's happening to him understand that no one is superman no matter how they appear to be, and to never take them for granted. Can't say this enough, I'm so fucking happy to have you back Jordan thank you for all the sauce you've provided.

[@Toekneebob]

I'm also grateful you are so young to have this wisdom. Thank god. And yes, thank god Jordan gets to pursue meaningful dialogue again. I am grateful to know his words.

[@John7585]

Well said Corey

[@albianchi]

You are wise.

[@GITAHxgCoo]

@@truth5705 This but unironically.

[@davesproles2708]

Way to be my friend.....you're morally tuned well if his words resonate with ya.....

[@andrewedge9717]

I like how when Jordan doesn't get a sufficient answer, he restates the question in a more detailed and inquisitive way. True free discussion at it's best

[@thebacheafghan]

We have a saying in muslim community,"In the city of blinds,the one eyed person is king". Peterson is one eyed in this case and westerners are blind. Seriously, this is whom Peterson will learn about Islam from?

[@wulfiii1490]

@@thebacheafghan Everyone has this saying. And Peterson talked to other muslims, Hijab and now also Hamza Yusuf. Boys flee the war leaving women behind and then they are surprised they can't find a woman for themselves... and they also don't understand that Europeans don't have this concept where burning a book is worse than killing a person. Why should we want to help them?

[@MrBuffalo2]

On the contrary..his 'interrogation' was completely unnecessary as we ALL know what the issues Ayan brought up. Muslim male sexual assaults on European women..and the white european P.C attitudes flat turn a blind eye to it.

[@MrBuffalo2]

Ps..I'm a big JP fan..nevertheless he's out of his depth on this.

[@strayaoz]

@@thebacheafghan perhaps it would be better to learn fro mohamed , a man , a warlord, a slave trader, who had carnal desires for extremely young child, not even a woman, but a chid. Or read the haddiths.....your disgust at this woman will never be as bad as hsi deeds, IMO. This man you call ' the greatest example of a human being'....how can any human think of that as 'great'? You couldn't form a decent comment so..... you must be able to take the same.

[@nevcalyear7394]

Ayaan is one of the bravest people alive today and is a personal hero. Every time I hear her I am thrilled but deeply saddened that such a brave person is so viciously persecuted and under constant mortal threat. I hope she lives an extremely long and healthy life and never stops speaking out.

[@dsc4178]

"Civilization is created by those who seek freedom from their vices; it is destroyed by those who seek freedom to indulge in their vices." GK Chesterton.

[@paulcesargonzalez3331]

Dang write a book

[@chrischristenson4547]

@@paulcesargonzalez3331 Chesterton was wise long ago

[@Barbaramamato]

Repeat often

[@AbeTee]

Gad damn man. Love a good quote that hits home

[@kryjerlip7986]

Unfortunately we modernist meed to hear that more often. We’re already seeing the effect is indulging in our vices. Higher rates of suicide, mental illnesses etc.

[@radagast7200]

My grandfather passed last year and during his estate sale I found several of Ayaans books. I only wish I had the chance to discuss it with him.

[@jeffphillips916]

My condolences

[@jeffphillips916]

Radagast the Brown

[@BlackJack-lg3vx]

Y’all know Muslim don’t agree with her right ! Her whole biography is a lie ! There is a Muslim reaction to this by saajid. You should watch it .

[@radagast7200]

@@BlackJack-lg3vx haha. What? Yeah... I know muslims don't agree with her... hence the fatwa and accompying bodyguards. Was there a point?

[@JY-uk5pz]

@@BlackJack-lg3vx you are in the wrong place pal.

[@Nani-gr7xi]

Woah, prof. Peterson is looking a LOT better!

[@snorgonofborkkad]

He shaved and died his grey hair.

[@louisecook6483]

Good to see him looking more like his old self and not so unwell and gaunt

[@rebelraccoon9018]

@@snorgonofborkkad *dyed. 😉

[@mh82100]

@o0 0o He's simply highlighting important issues that are making our society vulnerable and less good, for want of a better term. Making visible aspects of our private lives that are increasingly becoming public to a point of hindrance. I don't see that as your title of 'hero' whatever that even means

[@mh82100]

@o0 0o Being vulnerable and showing weakness doesn't mean you can't be an effective leader. On the contrary. Highlighting issues is the first step to solving. It begins a potentially effective diagnostic methodology. You seam to have a rather personal approach to his work and subsequently his real or perceived role as this so called hero. Quite strange but each to his own. Best wishes from Liverpool England anyway

[@Rausque]

"It is very difficult to assimilate if you are not confident in your own values" Oh my god, this woman is AMAZING!!

[@Rausque]

@@thatguy1822 the West hates the west. According to westerners, everything the west does is racist, it's history is racist, colonial and hellbent on exploiting others. Nothing is worth keeping, not its statues, not its heroes... Nothing. Westerners only find one thing worth saving and fighting for: everything but their culture. And there is a perfectly logical explanation for that: WWI and WWII (WWII being a consequence of WWI). After all the blood, death and destruction of the 2 wars, westerners don't believe in their culture anymore. They don't believe it can bring anything good. They lost faith. They stand and scratch their heads as to why foreigners don't integrate into their culture. But the truth is, they don't want to integrate in their own culture themselves...

[@Rausque]

@Med AYT18 I watched Mohammed's response and I found a lot insults, not many arguments. I do not pretend to know Islam, but however, I do know Europe, America and the West, very very well. Mohammed is promoting and defending Islam. I respect that. He should defend his people and he is right to do so. The point is, the west has lost the will of standing-up for itself. A westerner is incapable of defending his people in the way that Mohammed did. If you cannot defend the legacy of your ancestors, you are not a worthy individual in my opinion. That is my point. And you know what? I think that Mohammed Hijab would totally agree with that.

[@Rausque]

@Med AYT18 I think that objectivity is very hard to achieve for humans. That's why we turn to God or Allah. After all, if we were truly objective, we wouldn't need an all powerful being to show us the truth. We are all biased. I understand yours and Mohammed's points. The egocentricity of the West, the arrogance, their fake liberalism and feminism makes me want to puke. But... not all is bad. The West, like many other cultures, has also brought us some good things. I'll just give you 2: Social security snd healthcare. We take care of the sick and the old. True in a very unpersonal and systematic way, but we try not to leave anyone behind. A second one is that we try to not be at each others neck. Not in a physical sense. Even if we get into heated debates, we don't go to war. Maybe that's the good that came out of the 2 wars: we know that working together, even if we disagree, is better than fighting. I guess what I'm trying to say is: we should not through out the baby with the bath water.

[@Rausque]

@Med AYT18 yeah well maybe... I will not get into that debate because there really isn't a solution that doesn't diminish someone.

[@gi2121]

@@Rausque that's very true, and this constant atonement and self-despise is bringing western culture to its knees and could be its end. We're the only culture doing this right now. I mean, other cultures don't give a f*ck about their past crimes. Islam doesn't seem to question itself, it's a very dogmatic and tribal faith, that's why it is so strong and that's why the cultural clash is so big.

[@quintbromley2112]

Anyone else struck by the degree of caution and fear that certain conversation elicits, even among our cultural heavyweights? Cancel culture is the new surveillance state, brought to you by Silicon Valley, and the year is 1984.

[@rickymitchelmore9102]

Yes i was disappointed that these two brave people were afraid to discuss the real problem of Islamic ideology openly.

[@quintbromley2112]

@@rickymitchelmore9102 They did talk about it. The point is how guarded the language needs to be to avoid a potential breach of KZbin's intentionally vague code of conduct.

[@mokhanx9080]

LMAO it’s obvious that this charlatan Ayan has sold you all a false narrative of women in Islam. If what she describes is soo bad then how come Islam is the fastest religion and Christianity is the world fastest shrinking religion. Ayan doesn’t even remember her father or acts like she doesn’t. She has made a living out of selling a negative image of Islam. For someone who hasn’t even been Muslim or can’t read the scriptures she doesn’t qualify for this podcast. JP is very articulate and through in his assessment of people. This by far doesn’t even match to his work. Even his fundamental understanding of Y people leave third world countries & come to the west has been overshadowed by his like to interview this fraudster. If you want to stop the Asylum seekers stop bombing their land for oil and arming extremists who work for money&power. Also stop sending in intelligence agencies to do political assassination.

[@quintbromley2112]

@@mokhanx9080 Yeah...no. Ali lived it, endured genital mutilation and is a voice of reason. She opposes regressive, antiquated elements of Islamic theology which still hold court in many nation states, and are then imported into western civilization absent assimilation.

[@kwetsbarevrijheid2720]

@@mokhanx9080 How does islam growing faster negate her claims?

[@martiakatz8442]

It is not about emplyment, it is about culture. Some cultures respect womens rights and some do not but we are not allowed to call out this problem, Thank you both for highlighting this. May God protect and bless you both.

[@petermathieson5692]

You are so right. I have a dear Buddhist friend who made the disastrous decision to become the fourth wife of a rich Malaysian Muslim. She's beaten regularly and is now essentially held prisoner, with no prospect of escape. No bank account. No ID. Closed circuit cameras everywhere. His Filipina wife also rebelled and has now disappeared. islam condones this.

[@megaboy3296]

@@petermathieson5692 Islam condones beating up a person? You don't have a correct image on what you're talking about except what you hear from biased people.

[@antimonycup7066]

@@megaboy3296 4:34, and before you try to downplay the translation of 'to beat', the same word is used 8:12, clearly meaning 'to strike'. And this is just about wives, don't get me started on what islam allows to do to homosexuals, ex-muslims, jews or 'those that bring corruption on the land'. No biased people needed, just the core texts.

[@megaboy3296]

@@antimonycup7066 yes please I want to learn from you what the verses in my religion mean. You know if there's one percent chance you seek the truth and are ready to search and make effort, I'll gladly explain what these verses actually refer to in the first place. You threw random **** like Islam hates the Jews. We're ordered to respect the people of the book(including the Jews) and everyone as long as they don't mean harm to us. Again the verses you might see online lack interpretation because they're out of context. Do you think an ignorant person can explain Einstein theories? That's the same with an ignorant biased person talking about Islam without really studying "the core". Lastly you mentioned homosexuality but what about Islamophobia?

[@antimonycup7066]

@@megaboy3296 By the fruit one can know the tree. You can't fool me. You are entitled to your interpretations, but the real world results of your religion are clear as glass.

[@jenrig2333]

It's a shame that being blunt, up front and not beating around the bush on a topic can be percieved as rude. As a law enforcement officer, I frequently have to ask a victim questions with a warning that I'm using plain medical, anatomy or specific nature of assault so they are not shocked when I say "penis" or "vagina". Thank you Mr. Peterson and Ayaan Hirsi Ali for a great conversation.

[@MilesDei95]

how i wish we could be blut. as a doctor itis the same you need to go around the place like an idiot.

[@RedbadvanRijn-ft3vv]

As a Dutch i am as blunt as it can. Specialy on Islam. I am not rude,but i tell whats true. On the other hand,muslims are very rude, I response on them,and get a warning,but that muslim never.

[@JacobAaronEllsworth]

Really enjoying your guests Dr. Peterson. I can't say what a treat it has been to have your voice back as a part of my life.

[@vampironl]

As a dutch person I have the utmost respect for Ayaan. It's a shame she needs protection just for speaking her mind and most probably speaking a large dose of truth. Thanks for this interview Jordan. Being 39 years old its weird to speak about hero's but if there is anything like a hero, you fit the description pretty well.

[@vampironl]

@@talmadhoun I appreciate every comment but if you make statements like this in reply to me don't forget to elaborate. What has she been lying about? Who did she deceive and how?

[@mifq2386]

@@vampironl shes pretty much lied about her origins and makes lies of islam just to make it look bad

[@hggh4867]

She’s well known to have lied in the past to get what she wants and then come up with excuses to defend them. Besides that, I really would consider listening to what she she has to say but just because she comes from a predominantly Muslim country doesn’t mean she has any kind of scholarly knowledge about the religion and she really doesn’t have any background in Islamic knowledge. The only reason she is given a voice is because she’s a black Somali woman and thus she will get away with that white old men wouldn’t be allowed to say. You have to do yourself justice and make sure you get your information from someone who genuinely knows what they’re talking about and not someone who gives a few interviews in order to sell her books. And that’s honestly a sincere request. Always take the time to verify what you hear and are told. Then after that it’s up to you to believe what you want to believe. But just remember to be true to yourself. Sorry if this sounded a bit like a lecture :)) Peace.

[@vampironl]

@@hggh4867 No problem, i don't take it as an insult. And i 100% agree that information needs to be verified before you take them as truth. She did indeed lie about her origins and i can't think of any excuse for that. She has given some reasons but those are pretty weak. You might be right she doesn't have any scholarly knowledge about the religion. That could be true, i don't know. I do know she is pointing out a problem that I can see in daily life around me (I can only speak for the Netherlands of course as this is where I live). And that's not something we just observe but it's also something statistics point out. We can't deny there is a problem. I think this is where Jordan comes in as he asks very good questions about causation and correlation. And i think we can have a whole debate about that, and maybe that's a debate we -should- have. I won't dare to blame the Islamic religion for this, maybe its misinterpretation by groups of individuals, maybe its a result of a clash between islamic religion and western culture, there are so many variables which makes it very difficult to get to the bottom of the problem. But i do think it is time to get to the bottom of this problem, and i can't help but to respect Ayaan for putting this on the agenda as she is risking her life by doing so as this issue has been swept under the carpet for way too long.

[@BlackJack-lg3vx]

There is a Muslim reaction to this by saajid. You should watch it .

[@passionsoup3788]

It's so comforting to hear sane people discuss tough topics like this, it makes me forget how insane the world is for a while.

[@BlackJack-lg3vx]

There is a Muslim reaction to this by saajid. You should watch it .

[@deniseedmondson6236]

I agree 100! Just left a couple comments myself!

[@BlackJack-lg3vx]

@@deniseedmondson6236 there is a Muslim reaction to this .saajid lipham muslim immigrants

[@mrrice6858]

Even if they arent on the mark, they are still moving toward that direction together:)💖

[@BlackJack-lg3vx]

@@mrrice6858 saajid lipham muslim immigrants. Muslim reaction to this . Recommended that you watch it. I promise won’t regret it .

[@acfatemi]

Minute 13; yes, I can confirm this. As a woman and especially when I was a teenage woman in the 70s in Malmö and a student in the 80s in Lund , I always felt perfectly safe in town at any time of the day and the night. This changed in the late 90s. I remember the chock when a policeman told me about the NEW problem of young women being attacked in streets of the town. Then friends, mothers of daughters told me stories....

[@j0m4m46]

That is when you start carrying knives and traveling in pairs at least.

[@GLila-wd7hh]

This woman is a LIAR!

[@nielsdejong]

@@GLila-wd7hh No. She is not.

[@TheTinLion]

This is exactly when mass migration started being allowed from culturally incompatible countries. The dilution of ethnically european super majorities in their own nations.

[@hassanu.7799]

Thats sad. I wish people didn't have their countries destroyed by foreign powers so bad they had to immigrate from their country in the first place.

[@ryf3658]

Ayaan's story is a story of millions of women... The difference is that she could tell it high and loud. Thank you for this great video.

[@skeptical_citizen]

She falsified her entire story to get an asylum in the Netherlands. Watch "Holy Ayaan" by Zembla, it's an entire documentary exposing her lies.

[@stephenattwood]

I love that he doesn’t roll over and give her softball questions. He treats her exactly like everything and everyone else.

[@cl5193]

...because he's honest. He is genuinely interested in the truth.

[@user-fi6sb6ey1c]

@Ida solomon no she’s not! She’s actually anything but what you described her with!

[@copyninja8756]

@@ADUAquascaping irony

[@theinquisitor5518]

@@user-fi6sb6ey1c here comes the Muslim bigot

[@Nuthor]

@Bilal D But of course, she must be white supremacist or something...

[@gracecook3392]

"this channelay be taken off the air all together" - Peterson, which is why I watch immediately

[@gracecook3392]

@@truth5705 well I'm an atheist and I just like different points of view and have a penchant for people that other people don't like even if they do come from one disgusting religion or another.

[@jamborichamata1525]

@@truth5705 and yet only one religion justifies pedophilia in present time based on their religious belief. Hypocrite much?

[@arthurrosa9403]

@@truth5705 Both Christian and Islamic society have a terrible past. The difference is that christian society has been uphill for 300 years, while islamic ones have been downhill for 700 years, since they themselves made science illegal an killed everyone with a brain. I'm neither, but wouldn't trade my third world christian country for any islamic one. My mother can walk on the street at night, and so will my daughter if I have one, that kinda matter.

[@garywhitt98]

@@truth5705 This is not a Jewish teaching but a deliberate misrendering of the textual intent. Jews do not believe, teach, or practice this. No religion does.

[@averagebodybuilder]

@@garywhitt98 Gillian Maxwell did it for the MOSSAD same for her partner who got ”Epsteined”.

[@Guyfawx42]

Interesting interview. In addition to interviewing ex-Muslims and critics of Islam, you may find it interesting to also talk to some prominent Western Muslim voices as well, who have interesting things to say, much of which overlaps with Jordan's thoughts. The 2 names that come to mind are Hamza Yusuf from California, and Abdul Hakim Murad from Cambridge (England).

[@musicisdead411]

agreed but peterson is pandering to his audience, which is mostly right-wing and islamophobic, even though theres many muslim thinkers who like peterson.

[@omarromo5293]

@@musicisdead411 rejecting Sharia law and being critical of it is not Islamophobia, as much as criticizing Israel is not antisemitism.

[@musicisdead411]

@@omarromo5293 lmao when did I say being "critical" of Islam or "rejecting" sharia is Islamophobia ..... it's mostly ignorance because both Peterson and his western audience are not religious experts and fall to "criticizing" Islam based on orientalist troupes (the Prophet pbuh being a warmonger is not some new conception, it's been spread among christian europe for centuries, it's just used now to justify military imperialism on the basis of islam being a supposedly violent religion). and I don't see what any of that even has to do with what I originally stated, his audience is still Islamophobic and Peterson panders to them which is why he's had a joke of person like Ayaan on his show, someone who knows nothing about religion largely or Islam. and the false dichotomy is very nonsensical, criticizing a religion is not the same thing as criticizing a country's actions, especially one illegally occupying and committing genocide against another population while receiving billions of military funding by so called freedom loving and human rights defending countries. Lastly, given that Muslim are fundamentally oppressed all over the world whether it's through state oppression in france, china, india or palestine, western imperialism in iraq, syria or yemen, it comes off as extremely bizarre to me that the same people that reside in these countries that perpetuate, defend or whose tax dollars even fund these actions are jumping at the chance to "criticize islam". criticizing islam in the West is not some zero sum game and is mostly used to advance western interests, sorry to break it to you LOL but I mean you're subscribed to a white supremacist network like Breitbart so you're clearly not very critical of your sources or understandings.

[@ayporos]

@@musicisdead411 You sound like a stuck up know it all. It's not a good impression you leave. "sorry to break it to you LOL"

[@aqm5239]

This is, unfortunately, the problem. Hirsi speaks about free speech as if it is an absolute right. Which I think I don't think is a good idea. For example, if free speech is as important and shouldn't be restricted and curtailed, then what about verbal or written sexual harrassment, in the form of words? 'Cat-calling' as Hirsi describes is a form, or can be a form, of harrassment. So if free speech is an absolute right, then why should cat-calling not fall into the same category? If your answer is that it should, you are condoning sexual harrassment in the name of free speech. If you say, that it comes with the expectation of further harm, then you have to consider that this is not always true. Many a time, women and men do not believe that the cat-calling will lead to anything. It's just done to have fun and make women feel uncomfortable. Is this free speech? If you are answer yes, then you are using free speech to justify harrassment. If the answer is no then you acknowledge that free speech that makes others feel uncomfortable or victimized can be unacceptable. You could argue that speech that causes harm, directly or indirectly should not be included under the label free speech, but then you have admitted that free speech has its limits. So why should Ayaan Hirsi have the right to come on a platform, to use conjecture, to accuse the poor, dispossessed or even derelict, of rape or sexual misconduct, thereby possibly influencing whether or not they actually receive help, while they are in desperate need, but a man cannot cat-call? Why is it only free speech when she speaks about things important to her, possibly doing a lot of harm globally, using what is essentially conjecture, but it is not acceptable when religious figures speak negatively about modernity? Bear in mind, that everything she says is based on conjecture or subjective experience. So if free speech is such an important right, that justifies giving a woman who avoids using data and statistics, as a point, a platform then Jordan Peterson shouldn't have a problem with challenging her directly or having a moderate, liberal muslim voice on his pod cast?

[@brigitte-tje]

Wij nederlanders hebben het geluk gehad dat jij naar Nederland kwam. Voor ons was jij een verrijking, vele van ons hebben jou in het hart gesloten en we hebben veel van jou geleerd!! Het was dan ook een groot verlies voor ons, de dag dat jij Nederland hebt moeten verlaten. Lieve mens we wensen jou een gezond en gelukkig leven. Een warme groet uit Friesland

[@toptrollking]

"When fear shrouds the truth we all suffer the consequence "

[@funincluded]

false

[@yourmumschancla3953]

@@funincluded how is that a false statement?

[@Kryptic712]

@@funincluded prove it

[@Kryptic712]

@@funincluded you've claimed something wrong, so you need to show why it is actually wrong... literally the first thing in conversation

[@mahmud7645]

True, thats why right wingers get more support in times of crises and uncertainty

[@nicko.7433]

The day Jordan Peterson is taken off of youtube is the day I quit using youtube

[@yinoveryang4246]

If that ever happens, or any opinions are censored, we will be at the point where KZbin will become obsolete to the largest part of its audience. At the moment it’s unlikely it will, and there’s no real evidence it will. KZbin have been seriously ramping up the advertising on their site (they’re getting away with it, to the point that’s shameful, with no one commenting on this ). This will also drive people away, it’s more likely be the cause of their death

[@sidlukkassen9687]

@@yinoveryang4246 It will effectively mean we will have to abandon democracy, as the masses will still be informed by the biggest platform, and will outvote the awake who move their debates to other platforms.

[@theotryhard8651]

They constantly recommend his videos. They are just a cooperation trying to maximise profits.

[@theotryhard8651]

@Sophie Blessed Use 'brave' browser, it has the best ad and cookie blocker, I don't see any ads.

[@apmire]

@@theotryhard8651 I think It'd be a good idea to leave ads on JP's video or any other content creator you support, I understand ads are annoying but we should try to support the creator. Still, It's fine If you choose to disable ads, there are other ways to support them.

[@corneliusmwanza214]

Urhobo from Nigeria say, “When the roots of a tree begin to decay, it spreads death to the branches”

[@xuanius]

I feel like there’s a lot of value to jordan Peterson taking on the role of interviewer because it allows his way of thinking to create perspectives on new ideas and issues rather than just repeating the same topics. It’s also rare for someone of this caliber to be an interviewer, who brings out gems in interviewees that few others can 👍

[@amazizi7783]

But he couldn't do a search on her? She admitted to the Dutch parliament that she fabricated her story. That's why she is not welcome anymore in the Netherlands. Let's not blind follow people but ask them questions when they make huge mistakes. There is something off about Dr. Peterson nowadays.

[@buenaventuralosgrandes9266]

@Med AYT18 bwahahaha when your teaching is base on lies and Qur'an even teach muslims to lie to non muslim how should i take your opinion seriously

[@Ssookawai]

@@buenaventuralosgrandes9266 please provide me with that verse (that I don't know about as a muslim even if I read quran).

[@Ssookawai]

@Med AYT18 the issue is more complicated because what she's saying isn't that wrong either. There are some issues that need to be addressed FIRMLY due to the lack of a serious justice system in countries where muslim are a majority (most of these countries are third world countries). The problem is that due to our own lack in justice, academic excellency, generalized literacy and rely less on a "new church" (eventhough islam insists on personal reflection) where we're given "ready to use" fatwas, it's difficult to answer without looking "defensive" : we need to tell the whole history of how islam evolved and how it was practiced (and NOT practiced), that lead to such issues.

[@Ssookawai]

@@amazizi7783 no matter how "good" a product is, if you don't communicate properly about it, people won't know. I know people who can answer well to such questions,especially about islam but they're arabic speaking. These people aren't known on an international level and their content isn't widely translated and widespread. It's our duty as muslims to hear criticism, see where they got it right or at least what happened to "us" that lead to such negative opinions.

[@cameronboden]

"It is not the socio-economics that changes the culture, it is the culture that changes the socio-economics." Brilliant.

[@npickard4218]

I was taken aback by that comment too. Ayaan is WONDERFUL.

[@tajanaharic5978]

Great. I had to pause there just to think this out 😊

[@SilentEmpires]

Either can change the other though. Sounds smart thing to say but not very smart when u think about it

[@cesarsavan2494]

@@SilentEmpires not really. Culture is the choice being made. Even if economics change, it's individuals position to decide whether to change their values.

[@sidlukkassen9687]

Disagree. If you are responsible with a Western ethos, you won't procreate unless you have a stable and secure income. All of this is disappearing for the Western middle class, accelerating the demographic replacement by less responsible groups. Also technological conditions like dating apps, influence how people can deal with relationships and deeper connections. Compartimentalizing them and making them fragile.

[@mindenamidani1918]

I listened to this podcast on Spotify. Wow. This woman came from Somalia and became the European we should be in the first place.

[@johngalt6525]

Yes 👍

[@joetainment]

This was an amazing episode. Many excellent points raised, some I haven't considered in much depth before. I know there will be people who try to paint the conversation as hateful, but it was blindly obvious that there was no hate from either of you, just insightful nuanced conversation on a difficult topic. I am grateful your podcast has returned, thanks again.

[@--Dani]

I certainly will be tuned into whatever she has to say, shes brilliant, can see her choose her words so well that her arguments are so concise and perfect and you know your listening to someone who is telling it how iit is, which is what is needed. Oh and brave I have to say, I can only imagine the woke browbeating her on social media. Great informative interview as always Dr.

[@thatguy1822]

I can’t believe that you believe something like this

[@huangwangmedia3981]

Spot on @Dan i

[@MafiaTunis]

She migrated to the Netherlands based on a lie, she talks about islam without knowing what she is saying no statistics, yes a legend of hypocrisy

[@openmind8620]

@@thatguy1822 Believe it - many of us do - she's a shining light

[@thatguy1822]

@@openmind8620 she a charlatan

[@carriejaramillo1811]

I know Dr. Peterson says not to focus on being happy, but all this fearless conversation is making me super happy. 😀 Thanks! Keep it coming!!!

[@thomask5434]

Trying to focus on being happy is the only thing that keeps me alive atm. Seriously. I agree 99% with Dr. Peterson, but hes wrong on that. Sometimes its hard, and Covid makes it even harder.

[@rackneh]

@@truth5705 Just like how Mohammed had a child wife? All religions have been gross in the past, hate to break it to ya kiddo

[@carriejaramillo1811]

Obviously lots to discuss! Glad to see open, uncensored conversations on all kinds of topics. 👍

[@thomask5434]

@@jn9283 Sure.

[@therealb888]

@@thomask5434 I think JBP is very to the point and realistic. But sometimes you have to be larger than life to achieve something that's life sized. I agree with you that being happy is important because it has direct endocrinal effects of releasing hormones that are unhealthy if you're unhappy.

[@jaiwhy5212]

As an Arab woman who has also been outspoken about the hypocrisy in my community, I feel so encouraged that some of us are brave enough to bring this conversation forward. The only way out of this is through free speech. Thank you for sharing this with your audience.

[@the2ndcoming135]

💐

[@strayaoz]

Kudos. Best wishes X

[@KevinKillaKam]

I was pleased to see she didn't shy away from Muslim cultural significance in how women are treated. Acknowledging cultural differences is important in recognizing the root of our problems in Western society. I loved the phrase "it's not the values that are the problem in Western society but our failure to live up to them". Incredibly relevant in describing Christian values.

[@gambar]

Professor! So good to see you in such a good shape! Keep it that way and better!

[@chuckdvorak6268]

Here within seconds...love Dr Jordan B Peterson! Welcome back, sir...you look healthier, great to see you

[@prithvirajsalwan6010]

@@truth5705 When did he say he doesn't like Islam ?? Can u point me to the video/Time stamp Plz.

[@janirf]

@@truth5705 quit trying to invade all the comments, like this will do any good. The truth will set you free! keep searching

[@janirf]

@@prithvirajsalwan6010 @truth is just invading all comments and copying and pasting. I wish he had an actual fact to show, but he doesnt.

[@woopwoop4939]

@@prithvirajsalwan6010 He said their prophet was a war lord, which he was and worse. But there are lots of really bad stuff in Ben Shapiro's religion and Jordan won't talk about it. And before you say that they don't perpetuate violence and terror look no further than Israel.

[@davidjairala69]

I'm picturing Cathy Newman watching this and experiencing a catastrophic system malfunction

[@lj7930]

@@truth5705 nothing better to do bud? Lol

[@immasurvivor]

@@truth5705 The only thing that undermines the middle east and islam is....drumroll please....Islam.

[@slapperdinky]

@@truth5705 I'm amazed you have so much time to write so much nonsense in these comments, considering you seem to dislike Jordan so much. Remember, don't cast your pearls before swine. No need to thank me ;)

[@markkavanagh7377]

@@slapperdinky I'll thank you, well done.

[@nonfictionone]

She’s a click bait journalist; she’s not interested in this.

[@dafyddcoleman4413]

Ayann Hirsi Ali is extraordinary. What a brave woman, definitely going to have to check out her podcast.

[@thatguy1822]

Brave? Liar is what she is. Claims backed up by anecdotal evidences and no facts at all yet y’all are eating it up...

[@alexwhite3830]

@@swerremdjee2769 So stuff like the Christmas in Cologne 15-16 is made up? Europe doesn't have such a problem?

[@alexwhite3830]

@@swerremdjee2769 Of course I blame the whole group and the whole religion. I'd rather not have them here in Europe. It's Rhodesia/South Africa #2. These people don't want normal societies. They prefer every normal country to be such a shithole as Africa and the Middle East rn And since we're talking about history, africans and muslims aren't innocent in the past so I don't get the blame.

[@alexwhite3830]

@@swerremdjee2769 well you just called ~100-200 mln people "extremist". Everyone where I live shares that thought that I said. I'm not sure, it seems like a problem from your side to say such blatant stuff

[@dafyddcoleman4413]

@@swerremdjee2769 mate the Islamic world is a fucking shambles. All muslim nations have next to no womens/human and certainly not LGBT rights. But its just a small minority right? Get in the real fucking world, a country doesn't keep laws that only represent a small minority of the nation, if you believe they do then you're duller than I thought. Do you not care that women can't vote in many nations? Do you not care that people aren't allowed to love who they want? Do you believe that marital rape is ok? What about Islam do you like? I don't want to know how much they donate to charity, Jimmy Saville gave to charity but that doesn't excuse what he done or what he believed.

[@rey_nemaattori]

As a Dutch guy, I remember her rise to political fame out of nowhere. I was too young and too uneducated to realize what was going on, but in hindsight, I think Ayaan was pretty spot on from the beginning about the threats coming from religious extremism and how the leftist view of all 'cultures are equal' is a pretty dangerous assumption. Now, some 10-15 years later, we're seeing the fruits of not acting accordingly back then manifest in western society...and it's not good. We're destroying ourselves from within, distracted by bickering over race, gender, identity while more nefarious ideologies and religious are slowly taking over. For what it's worth: " Het spijt me dat we destijds niet naar je waarschuwingen hebben geluisterd, Ayaan."

[@Achimotastar]

No rights in the west should ever be downgraded for any purpose, immigrants must adapt to whats new as they come here to live.

[@downeybill]

yeah, like every other place in the world does. seems obvious.

[@robintropper660]

My Polish Grandfather had to walk from a Russian POW camp back to his family .... they came to Canada, integrated in both English and French segments of society and told us: now you are Canadian, speak the language and show gratitude!

[@endofunk2174]

Exactly as if this should ever be a debatable or even a contentious topic -- it shouldn't. For example: It's not as if anyone who visits your home can do whatever they like whenever they like, to whomever they like; simply said if they refuse to conform to a common set of rules of decency , they'd no longer be welcome in your home.

[@auroraborealisknives4019]

Tell that to the left wing so called intellectuals... these people are impervious to common sense

[@o0Afrika0o]

Did the british adapt to native indian culture and customs? 👀

[@muali4809]

Its about time that JP should invite muslim intellectuals and researchers like Mohamad Hijab and Hamza Tzortzis

[@Alpha-a-bit]

Yes, i don't know why he insiste inviting people such Ayaan! she don't represent us !!

[@Pocuslol]

@@Alpha-a-bit as far as I know she never said she was

[@childofolivares8754]

Even if he just brings an islamic scholar or Icon like Mufti Menk, Nouman Ali Khan, or Omar Sulaiman, each of them would definitely break these stereotypes people have

[@Ibrahim-tv7rv]

Jordan peterson VS Mohammed Hijab Make it happen

[@deeninspired5761]

@@ABC-wi6vt Why? This isn't Islamic manners and you know it. It's our duty to reverse the negative image of Muslims not conform to it

[@stephfelis7355]

Go hard sister. You are a legend. A true beacon of decency and courage.

[@boygenius538_8]

She’s a hypocrite

[@MafiaTunis]

She migrated to the Netherlands based on a lie, she talks about islam without knowing what she is saying no statistics, yes a legend of hypocrisy

[@rcknross]

recall that Jordan said in an interview, several years ago, "the more they attack me, the stronger (larger audience) I get" -- I think it was Fox and Friends. Thus the video is still UP.

[@stevenwilliams1805]

The Dutch not feeling they have any cultural significance when they keep the ocean at bay is, to me, incredibly moving.

[@margaretherbener6870]

I agree. Some of the most talented artists like Vermeer, Rembrandt, VanGogh, and Bosch have called The Netherlands home. The Netherlands has a long history of religious tolerance and independence and has had a strong middle class for probably longer than any other country. Your point is quite right. It is sad to think they don't value at very least their engineering developments, which are not even on the top of their list of gifts to mankind.

[@Gabrielle4870]

Being Dutch, all I can say is that our Calvinistic culture is not about showing off, ego, sticking out, or boasting. The national saying is "act normal, because then you're already acting crazy enough". You're expected to do your best and it is nothing special if you do. And if you're lucky to be gifted with a special talent then good for you, but that's nothing to celebrate. When your worldview is like that you don't look to see what things make you or your country great. Being an expat for 17 years now I can totally appreciate Dutch culture and achievements. It's much easier to do when removed from it.

[@axelpteeg]

You mean the sea ?

[@user-nn8vn4uy7y]

@@Gabrielle4870 the Netherlands are incredible. Your architecture is awesome. Hope that Dutch people also understand that...

[@kefkamadman]

My grandfather fled the Netherlands during the WW2, and enlisted for DDay, once they were all settled in Canada, for no other reason then for his home and his friends. "It's okay to give up on a dream, just chase the next one harder."

[@Tshego2000]

Imagine Jordan Peterson referring to you as his hero 👀 Wow that's a lot of likes 🔥 thanks

[@aniket1999ab]

Then you must be God

[@bonnieswenson9925]

That would be humbling.

[@JMo-uh5cd]

@@nothajzl 😆

[@ashwinigautam7282]

Exactly 🤡🤡🤡🤡😭😭😭

[@dev1717]

@@nothajzl This liar will say anything to get what she desires, too bad Jordan is blinded by her deviousness.

[@kairol.4726]

she's so eloquent, I love it

[@pfireball9383]

I agree...and to think that English is not even her first language. She speaks 6 languages in total

[@joyceclemons3916]

..."and many more career-ending topics". Love this jab.

[@munyampetagerald4942]

Hello am from Uganda and reason i mention this is so you can know in a way how far your wings have spread and how many of us find not just comfort in your work but encouragement and a new way and greater way of being and it part too to show that the truth in your work is universal,transcends time and geography.. To call you an inspiration is an understatement.. We love and appreciate you

[@JamchesterBoozle]

That's great to hear. Ayaan Hirsi Ali is one of my heroes!

[@AneTix101]

Love this woman, she is absolutely incredible. Her bravery against all the forces seeking to destroy the west is damn near unparalleled.

[@BlackJack-lg3vx]

There is a Muslim reaction to this by saajid. You should watch it .

[@BlackJack-lg3vx]

@Imran A search on KZbin: saajid lipham muslim immigrants.

[@BlackJack-lg3vx]

@Imran A I encourage you to do the same . May Allah reward you .

[@LlibertarianGalt]

@@BlackJack-lg3vx You should check out Act17Apologetics ;)

[@LlibertarianGalt]

@Imran A You should check out Act17Apologetics ;)

[@denissevazquez9087]

Thank you JBP, for giving me a sane perspective on important topics that need to be discussed because MSM censor such talks that doesn't benefit them politically.

[@GeertKok]

Holland misses Ayaan. Happy to view these two great hero's ... Stay blessed!

[@zeynand4039]

Loved 1.05 with JBP reverbalization at 1:9 what do you think? humans are quite ironic in every perspective. its almost like a sequential thing

[@basklootwijk5724]

@@zeynand4039 Zeyna loves replying unrelated 'topics' to a comment :)

[@MrRABC1]

*I miss the days when you could comment about these issues on YT and your comment wasnt immediately removed and censored 1984 style!!*

[@marcanton5357]

You will ultimately get your account deleted based on comments, that's what's at the end of the endless comment deletion.

[@katalinkish9081]

@@karinlarsen2608 you might be missing his point.

[@GTfour01]

@@marcanton5357 Nope, that's not the end of it. It'll be a matter of time before they'll send the Gestapo along the doors of those who'll not comply with the globalists.

[@donna1235]

Absolutely. The first time my comment was erased I was horrified. The same for videos. Now I am used to it but this will all be over soon when this charade is ended. The EBS cant be far off as SCOTUS has denied any election cases.

[@mattrim8657]

Immigration without assimilation is invasion!!

[@asc6614]

Get Muhammad Hijab on podcast please.

[@rkhan722]

Tomorrow you will ask to take Mia Khalifa cz there is no difference between Mo Hijab and Mia Khalifa

[@GhettoArabSage]

@@rkhan722 did Mohammed Hijab break your heart or something? Reading the comments your constantly copy pasta throughout. Add value or hop off. Your ignorance and bias is blinding.

[@siyovushm2317]

No need to say "please", Bro

[@jimbo5887]

@@ABC-wi6vt Be honest. You know damn well who Mia Khalifa is.

[@fartz3808]

And get David Wood to crush Muhammad Hijab

[@matthewbaldwin228]

this woman is a true example to femism and freedom of womans rights.. beatiful. amazing, courage, hero, truly this is a perfect example of what fems in the USA ect should be focused on rather then their hate of men and white people ect. Amazing .. love that this woman freed herself and went to school and is living free. God bless

[@Nosuchthingastrans]

I wouldn’t call her a feminist??.Not by western standards anyway..

[@Lucas02000]

​@@Nosuchthingastrans no cos she has common sense

[@alittlebitofeverything533]

I am glad you are back Mr. Peterson, I missed you! Great Podcast! Greetings from Greece!

[@nonfictionone]

Ayaan can see what we have in the west. We have had it long enough not to recognise what we have. So we’re just giving it up. She is waving a red flag but of course we’re not listening. It’s going to hurt.

[@lanagordon5669]

@Jinga Randy if you grew up mostly in the West you are western because what is western is a matter of ideas and education, not ethnicity. That’s the beautiful thing about the West.

[@BlackJack-lg3vx]

Y’all know Muslim don’t agree with her right ! There is a Muslim reaction to this by saajid. You should watch it .

[@BlackJack-lg3vx]

Y’all know Muslim don’t agree with her right ! There is a Muslim reaction to this by saajid. You should watch it .

[@LlibertarianGalt]

@@BlackJack-lg3vx You should check out Act17Apologetics

[@LlibertarianGalt]

You should check out Act17Apologetics ;)

[@strong60s]

What a fascinating and humbling discussion to listen to as a Canadian woman! THIS is what students in "Womens' Studies" at university should be discussing not more hatred of Western white males.

[@genericuser-1]

Yes they need to be taught how amazing Western values are and how backward everyone else is lol.

[@techcurse]

Thank you for the great podcast. It has opened my eyes to an issue with values that I’ve not considered with the recent immigration issues in Europe.

[@user-ji8ll1qn6o]

What does it mean the Dutch don't have a culture???? lol every european country and ethnicity have very defined, characteristic cultures. They have folklore, traditional clothing, music, art, aesthetic, cultural norms, history, Europe is particularly rich in cultural variety, what the hell is everyone going crazy??

[@mr.knowitall2656]

We do have our own very distinct cultures. However the "woke fanatics" here ignore our own culture and say we must adopt the immigrants culture in the name of "diversity".

[@chrisucl]

They are lying deliberately because they have an agenda. That's why.

[@LambdaNL]

Nee, onze cultuur is aan het vervagen. Stop talking about Things you dont know.

[@alnotbiggaytho7124]

@@mr.knowitall2656 kinda like how westerners think far eastern religions are spiritual but Islam, Christianity and Judaism are not.

[@hasgoodles7807]

Darn right they do, and thus the anti semitism, racism, and all the other isms to go with it.

[@EM8844]

She’s a master at dodging Jordan’s questions. He should’ve pushed harder.

[@Kaml0]

For sure

[@mc.8391]

Quite as good as the way he attempted to put his interpretations on Ayaan Hirsi Ali's quotes from her book

[@shofforth1]

She demonstrates what we should be fighting for...freedom of all kinds, especially speech, rule of the law, and all people are equal in the eyes of the law.. which we are losing drastically

[@LlibertarianGalt]

You should check out Act17Apologetics

[@zootsoot2006]

Her story has always baffled me. How a woman who was brought up in such a backward culture could be so smart, reasonable and articulate. If there were ever an argument for nature over nurture, she's it.

[@greencagar1355]

@@zootsoot2006 is that how you see her? It shows me how you are empty intelligently and in knowledge. Read! Read! Never give 'stupidity' a chance in your life.

[@MrJunglebobo]

@@greencagar1355 Come on dude, that's pretty snobbish, he said nothing to be offended off and yet you call men dumb whilst using argument "so you're saying that..." and somehow interpretating personal oppinion, which everyone has a right to have.

[@qusayjamous3431]

She literally calls for assimilation into western culture, freedom where? If you were free you wouldnt feel the need to culturally assimilate or to impose assimilative values on others

[@ruddygarcia146]

Great interview 👍i really enjoyed the conversation.

[@tamaradobson5146]

Mr. Peterson, thank you for the work you're doing, listening to a voice of reason is very refreshing and restores my faith in the ability for humankind's future. There for a minute, I lost All hope & became quiet convinced that we were all dammed. Convicted by our own Stupidity. Thank you for restoring my faith.

[@gmclocks]

This lady is brilliant, even holding Jordan to account condemning the west only when many other nations, races have done (or are doing) the same inhuman acts. Jordan says he hadn't heard of that viewpoint. A Jordan blind spot.

[@yhyh8990]

I think he fully understands, he is notably more cautious than he was before, i would like to hope this is in part due to his current recovery and not a permenant switch to a more demure, castrated form of his future self, hard truths are important and i think he owed it to her to engage more on these harder points instead of taking the easy way out.

[@SupaHoon]

Still waiting for him to properly discuss the JQ

[@yhyh8990]

@@SupaHoon jq?

[@theinquisitor5518]

Very poor effort by JBP

[@bubbleteakun]

if you are an open-minded person please watch the response video by Mohammed Hijab.

[@RickBlythe]

Two of the most courageous people I know.

[@lj7930]

@@truth5705 just a busy beaver eh? Lols

[@ordeithx]

@@truth5705 misnomer

[@just_another32]

Me too. What I love about her is that she never plays the victim.

[@joelmanning249]

@@truth5705 You must be great fun irl

[@InvasionMC]

@@truth5705 stop being a hater and go watch some cnn or something 😩

[@lechat8533]

What a wonderful conversation - interview! It made me rethink and reanalyze more than 5 decades of social behaviour and its development in my country and the countries I lived in. The behaviour and personal relationships in different Western countries have definitely changed. Some for the worse but also some for the better. The question of current society`s structure is extremely complex, even more so than decades ago. Too many important issues have been ignored and swept aside. On the other hand so many banal and silly "problems" have been discussed to this day that it is no wonder that individuals and therefore the majority of the Western society as a whole are emotionally and socially confused. The question of political correctness is one that has been discussed to its death. What are we allowed to say and what not? Maybe it`s better to say nothing, that way you can`t be held accountable for maybe using politically incorrect expressions or stating something that will offend a certain someone or even some socially protected groups or minorities. It has become very complicated and people are too tired to deal with important things because they`ve been worn out by stupid discussions. At least that`s what I observe when I talk to people.

[@2Hot2]

Some people will be offended no matter what you say, including one's answer to "Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the (un)fairest of them all?" Trying not to offend anybody is a good strategy if your goal is to maximize "likes" but Ayaan has the concrete objective of reducing violence to women, so who cares if the rapists are offended? As a woman, aren't you concerned about that problem?

[@lechat8533]

@@2Hot2 I`ve never given a thing about political correctness and society made me pay for that. And yes, I`ve been concerned about "that problem" ever since I`ve been a little girl. I`ve lived through things some can`t even imagine and that`s why I was referring to the "political correctness" which made many people shut up instead of talking about important issues. I was describing the general mindset of the society I live in, not so much my own beliefs.

[@sifuhusky3556]

Keep the internal fire Dr. Peterson. Deplorables love you. THANK YOU!!!

[@mouhamaddiedhiou1004]

I think a conversation with Muhammad Hijab is in order. Check out his video

[@Ibrahim-tv7rv]

Jordan peterson VS Mohammed Hijab Make it happen

[@joshtimaz]

Ayyan vs Muhammad Hijab would make more sense

[@AAA-jp2rr]

@@joshtimaz that would not even last a minute , ayyan would collapse

[@AhmedAhmed-jn5gn]

@@muaazseedat7989 true

[@AhmedAhmed-jn5gn]

@@AAA-jp2rr What all three ? That would be epic !

[@juliab5672]

Dr. Peterson, you have helped me take pride in motherhood. Being a stay-at-home mother is one of the most relegated, invisible roles a woman can take on in the US these days. Thank you for this talk, for discussing women's rights, and for your work. You are a beacon of light.

[@mostafahassan6909]

Funny... Prioritizing motherhood is a rather Islamic value. What a shame.

[@dis_appointed8626]

@@mostafahassan6909 even oldschool feminist talk about taking pride in motherhood, but islamists and feminists are not in same boards

[@mostafahassan6909]

@@dis_appointed8626 Not entirely sure what you mean, or where I claimed to be feminist.

[@dis_appointed8626]

@@mostafahassan6909 what I mean is conflating two different ideologies just cause they intersect at a common point or two isn't always accurate.

[@mostafahassan6909]

@@dis_appointed8626 Agreed; I am not a feminist. And neither are most consecutives, though many of them accuse Muslims of oppression towards women anyway due to their ignorance and hatred.

[@--Dani]

Just insane that they don't record every detail of the perpetrator including race and religion. I am a law abiding citizen of the United States and in an application to buy something that is guaranteed by the 2nd amendment I needed to say my race, mental health and if I held any extreme religious thoughts. Is this just in Europe, your talking about crimes that are at the top of my list of seriousness, and makes me worry as I have young daughters. Thank you Ayaan for bringing this up because my gosh it seems to get swept under the carpet.

[@marialevi1048]

I am from the Netherlands, Ayaan's first country when she ran away from her own home country. She has no academic background, nor is she an islamic scholar, she lied about her whole biography... lied about islam EVERYTHING. she persued a carrier in politics here but when her lies came out she ran to america. She is a fraud... can't believe people actually gave her a platform. This is how she started in the netherlands too... and she did it again whahhahaha!!! Watch what mohamed hijab has to say about her on youtube. This woman is crazy.. trust me!

[@--Dani]

@@marialevi1048 I did some research on her background and didnt see any headlines of fraud. I didn't live in the Netherlands but nothing but her work being positive for all womens rights, people's rights and seemed to have told a truthful story of things happening that anyone else other than a person from her background would be tarred and feathered for being a racist and lord knows what else for bringing up the truth. I see a woman with exceptional courage that needed to have bodyguards at some points. I am also not saying the she never made a mistake, we are all human and we make mistakes on the other hand she seemed to be a lone voice for women of all racial backgrounds for certain basic rights that may be taken for granted in many western countries, and her warning should not go unheeded if these problems do sprout up. I dont see a crazy person there at all, I see a freedom fighter.

[@--Dani]

@@marialevi1048 Also I would not need an American studies doctorate to speak intellectually about the subject, I am extremely well read and informed, a pc of paper from some university that costs 100k per year does not necessarily make one an expert on a subject especially if one lived it. That doesn't disqualify her in the least.

[@marialevi1048]

the thing that really baffles me about her is how she is doing this all over again in another country. people have internet?! she gets rich yes but... she is not scared to fool people and that scares me.

[@--Dani]

@@marialevi1048 yes she has gained some wealth by her books and speaking events, I dont believe for one second it is a bad thing. I believe it was Ben Franklin that said "do good by doing well" something to that effect. She isn't gaining any wealth in some hypocritical fashion like Mrs. Clinton for example, I agree she is an example on the very far end of the spectrum. I see her as a brave woman whom has seen first hand the terrible things that some Islamists can force on women, and that needs to be kept out of western civilizations and countries, women have to be safe in the public spaces, it's a moral issue also a socio-economic issue. When western women finally were safe and could not only enter the more male dominated areas of our economy's we all saw the unbelievable great things that came out of that happening. I fully support her fighting back for Muslim women and women in general that its unacceptable to go backwards in the ways she describes. I'm not so sure she is fooling anyone, she is the first voice to bring these issues up especially in Europe, we can only see the way trends form, the scary part is how these governments due to some woke ideology keeps stats. I do believe she is fighting the good fight. Ty for the response, I think that if people can have a civil discussion even discourses is a very healthy thing. God bless.

[@mohammedalhelal2956]

I think that some immigrants have no issues in their home town. They see it as a vacation. When i was in Germany, i had a conversation with a social worker who told me that the immigrant that come from war torn regions really try to do their beat and rise up to the challenges. While, the people that tagged along from non war torn regions are taking advantage and causing the issues.

[@thedaintyprincejbr3176]

12:30 so basically her work is based on whimes and personal agenda

[@bubbleteakun]

Agreed, if you are an open-minded person please watch the response video by Mohammed Hijab.

[@019aliahmadabdullah2]

I tried adding the link of the video but it seems there is some problem.

[@MuhammadAliUK]

Jordan B Peterson why are you afraid to confront the Islamic thinkers Muhammad Hijab or Shabir Ally? You are a coward if you do not want to have a dialogue with them to know the true Islam; because it is dodging the truth to bring a woman who is neither Muslim nor Arabic and does not understand anything about Islam. She confesses herself she knows little about Islam and Muslims and yet you ask her to talk about Islam and the problems of Muslims ... that equates to asking a born Chasidic Jew to discuss Hinduism!!! I thought you were better than this level!!! Shame on you if you hate Muslims, and you suffer from Islamphobia and try to hide it!!! I feel very sad for you because I was previously one of your fans as I thought you were honest and frank, but the truth is that you are deceptive, evasive and a liar.

[@TheMithridates]

@@bubbleteakun ofc she is influenced by her experience, living under death threats and being at the forefront of these issues inevitably shapes. I dont see how that discredits her. Could you link me the video, or bring up a couple points? Ive read a few books of Ayaan and watched many of her speeches. At Most id argue issues being more complicated tjan sometimes spoken by her.

[@stevenlight5006]

There is a past in our lives,J.P. guest Is continuing her quest .what are u doing to help ?

[@williamharris7890]

Be brave and be bold. You will be remembered in history.

[@the_original_Bilb_Ono]

But dont forget that humility is also incredibly important. Dont be your own biggest fan.

[@lukecockburn1140]

Is that a new Doritos commercial? And I doubt most people will get remember in history individually atleast that might change because the internet but you could be brave And bold and get shot I bet alot of even remarkable unremembered people had something get in the way

[@garywhitt98]

Probably not. It is enough that God sees and cares.

[@stephainehorta3205]

Fortune favors the bold. . . And as far as bravery goes- No one respects a coward. Though Confidence & Humilty should be even tempered.

[@chancelange]

History seldom remembers a coward. It takes courage to make a dent in this world.

[@Dreamkrusher579]

Such an interesting side of the story. Glad to be enlightened. So true, young men with nothing to do...idle hands...

[@criticsable]

Thank you for being so courageous and taking on this subject :-)

[@auroraborealisknives4019]

Speaking the truth is such a rebel thing these days... Our prime minister Trudeau would not approve

[@standardmcdefault530]

I think it was always a main virtue of a rebelious characters. Only thing changing are liars at pilots seats.

[@honeybonnney]

She was also brave enough to admit her statistics could be misinterpreted by her position.. Nowadays nobody want to admit that they could be wrong.

[@keggs73]

I'm sure your PM would approve of Peterson's selling out of the west.

[@auroraborealisknives4019]

@@keggs73 if you think he is a sellout I think you missed the message

[@kyleschaffrick3845]

@@keggs73 How has peterson sold out the west lmao

[@sachamorgese7280]

He looks so much better and this makes me happy. I've been watching his Maps of Meaning lessons and there was a big difference between those old videos and the previous episodes of the podcast. Today it's the first time I don't notice it as much. It's good to have you back Dr. Peterson!

[@Resonance1010]

Totally agree, most recent one where he seems to have returned to somewhat of himself.

[@AnthonyGruba]

Oh my god, he actually looks so good already

[@johnwelsman2625]

Most informative. Great work Jordan, Ayaan.

[@davidrosa3182]

CAREER ENDING TOPICS! I saw that in the description. I like taboo topics. Thank you both

[@BlackJack-lg3vx]

Y’all know Muslim don’t agree with her right ! Her whole biography is a lie ! There is a Muslim reaction to this by saajid. You should watch it .

[@LlibertarianGalt]

@@BlackJack-lg3vx You should check out Act17Apologetics

[@ga4214]

@@LlibertarianGalt the hammer psychopath is a liar and a hypocrite you should check “Farid Responds” he debunked him many times 👌🏻

[@rinwesley3092]

Looking well, sir. So glad to have you back. And Ayaan is such a brave woman. She speaks her mind despite the threats made against her life.

[@patriciarocco2610]

When Dr. Peterson mentions the difficulty between two rights he demonstrates his intelligence and insight. The problem about any of these benefits of rights, women seem to be on the losing side of any of these discussions. They are being used as human shields -- their rights, safety and protection are secondary to any overall societal benefit. Thank you Ayaan Hirsi for your voice and brilliance.

[@user-pl7oo6dc3j]

It was a great interview! Thank you so much 🌺

[@MafiaTunis]

She lied to immigrate to the Netherlands, also lied about living in war area, about her country, does not state factual statistics and so on. Simply put she is saying things some people want to hear and tries to make a career out of it

[@TheSeeking2know]

When you lose a sense of values for what you have, you invite others who do not value what you have to take it from you or to destroy it. You cannot protect what you do not value.

[@Trytocookthis]

Great message!

[@romanjansen6652]

Wonderful

[@clifffowler2581]

Nicely said Olatunde. On both sides of the spectrum.

[@GeeseH]

A fantastic argument against a multicultural utopia.

[@darwinrisdon7141]

Smart comment!

[@juggy666]

I’m a huge Petersen fan, but was he chickening out in this interview? When discussing issues Ayaan was raising in Europe around women’s safety? He seemed to discount the issue because he didnt see such issues in Canada.

[@kathym.248]

I didn't find him as strong as he used to be, but she got her points in and welcomes being challenged. Perhaps it is all he's been through and maybe their different personal histories. Still, this was terrific.

[@wiseonwords]

juggy666 - I liked the fact that he challenged some of her assertions, especially since she was more than capable of handling them. You can't expect Peterson to simply agree with everything his guests say!

[@juggy666]

@@wiseonwords I wouldn’t expect Jordan to give anyone a free roll. What I was trying to highlight and I have watched it a second time is that Jordan tries to dodge the problem of Islamic culture with explorations of socio-economic issues (including alcohol - meh). Remember he has read the book and is an extremely thorough reader. Ayaan brings him back. He then describes the problem not existing in Canada and Ayaan suggests the atlantic ocean being a useful boundary and good immigration controls. I guess I felt Jordan was scared. I think he doesn’t want to become a target for Islamists as well as progressives. I think he is right to avoid this pressure. He is still recovering he has has a brutal 5 years. I just don’t think his having this conversation was wise, he is scared, and his fear I feel compromised his ability to feel safe and therefor offer Ayaan as honest and mutual a platform as she deserves. Just an opinion. With respect. I love Jordan!

[@user-oo6vr1ky5f]

@@juggy666 “Islamic culture” theirs no such thing.

[@dizzicz]

@@juggy666 in my opinion he just challenged her in a way how SJWs and others would do. His intent was to test the hypothesis to be sure that it's fine. I can guarantee you, that if you would open up this topic on a party, it would take minutes to discuss socio-economic issues, geography, etc etc ... he makes listeners prepared for this kind of topic discount...

[@robertburwise5938]

I agree 100% with Ayaan regarding the feeling of supremacy of white, western liberals. If you watch them closely you will note that their actions and words are condescending. THEY know what is best for the people of colour...! They do not, in essence, regard people of colour as their equal. Two persons who regard each other as of equal value are able to debate and joke about each others' idiosyncrasies in a friendly and positive manner. I see this in South Africa on a daily basis....

[@Helz777]

What a brave articulate woman.

[@shahsaud2625]

More like ..what a fraud !

[@rvonie]

Thank you Dr. Peterson for bringing Ayaan on your podcast, she is a women I look up to, and for me who is a middle Eastern women, she truly changed me and my thought process when talking about islam, she is a true hero in my eyes. Again thank you!

[@endofunk2174]

Agreed.... she's really an amazing person. Thank God we have her and Jordan to cut through all the BS.

[@Mr.Jasaw13]

she was caught lying more than once .. and she obviously uses ridiculous argument, I sometimes wonder who actually would give her any public platform. She's just recycling extreme right garbage arguments

[@endofunk2174]

@@Mr.Jasaw13 Rubbish.

[@bajorjor1]

I love how JP challenges his guests and heroes. Unlike the mainstream that keeps kissing the ass of the like mind and dissing the other side.

[@chris432t6]

I like that most of the interviews he does are with authors of important books.

[@auburnninja]

It’s important that he does so. By allowing both their intellects to grapple honestly with the questions raised in her book, she will be better prepared when dealing with all the bad faith interviews and critics when they inevitably come.

[@elodin857]

too much talking about the methodology, not enough talking about the issue

[@amazingjason455]

Most interviewers are not capable of listening and thinking. They just go on to the next pre-written question.

[@Shmandalf]

She reminds me a lot of my sister, though my sister's struggle wasn't nearly as horrendous. Women can be your heroes too, even if you're a man like me.

[@MTech07]

Few times a podcast is educational like yours. Please don't stop. I have never questioned that some cultural values should be rethought. We are in strange times. We need guidance from enlightened minds like yours. Thanks.

[@J.S.R.Berendsen]

Dear JP, bless your heart good man, i wish you good health, and sound of mind.

[@rjaxthekid8909]

@Truth You're not making any point, and if you are trying to, it's not a good one. To say he "sees no problem" is not the case. More or so, it seems he believes Christianity makes the most sense from a fundamentally ideological and moral view, so he professes from that particular standpoint. Atleast watch his content if you're going to be spamming futile, arbitrary messages in his comment section...

[@PeterMuskMusic]

@@truth5705 I'm more than sure he and his friends would object to that.

[@BlackJack-lg3vx]

Y’all know Muslim don’t agree with her right ! There is a Muslim reaction to this by saajid. You should watch it .

[@J.S.R.Berendsen]

@@truth5705 Why tell us this, or why react to this with your answer. Just because i said bless ?

[@LlibertarianGalt]

@@BlackJack-lg3vx You should check out Act17Apologetics ;)

[@YuyiLeal]

These conversations must be had...again, and again, until collectively we find some sort of solution. The essence of this matter is way too crucial, too existential and raw for it to be dismissed. Thank you, Jordan! Thank you, Ayaan! You are both great heroes of the modern world!...I truly believe the whole world population benefits from such honest and sincere efforts!

[@BlackJack-lg3vx]

Y’all know Muslim don’t agree with her right ! Her whole biography is a lie ! There is a Muslim reaction to this by saajid. You should watch it .

[@elodin857]

well I say close borders

[@PatriciaSantos-qt9lw]

Great podcast. This information is so so necessary in the western so called "civilized" countries _(*each time less civilized due to the reasons debated in the video)._

[@loredananiculae4060]

When tackling a complex problem, one would not want to allocate all resources in a single niche. So, some would keep the discussion warm, some would fight in the court (or the street), some would write about it ... and some would pray... I guess it is important that everyone involved understands his/her own role in this. (It helps protect against burn-out, I guess...) Thank you and good luck playing that role of yours, Jordan! 🙂

[@aethelstan95]

2 incredible modern thinkers, 2 very brave and principled people, and 2 heroic role models of mine 🤞🏻👏🏻

[@Mr.Jasaw13]

you do know that modernism is an ideology that has it's own presuppositions of metaphysical nature and there's nothing inherently true about it .. just like so called progressiveness or liberalism. You'd do better to look into the holes of your own religions .... cus there are so many that it's difficult to pinpoint from which hole it's leaking

[@DonnchadhMccarthy]

Well said, completely agree

[@juliusgreen9179]

@@Mr.Jasaw13 you must be fun at parties

[@Mr.Jasaw13]

@@juliusgreen9179modernist parties? you bet

[@ptptpt123]

This is what an empowered woman looks like. Free in thought.

[@Mr.Jasaw13]

oh God ... srsly

[@JP-vw7pb]

@John Stevens you’re comment is the 2nd stupidest comment I’ve read in the comment section so far. What does her attire have to do with level of empowerment? I’m guessing that you’re judging this women by what she’s wearing instead of what she’s saying. Grow the hell up.

[@ptptpt123]

@John Stevens Empowered because it takes strength to speak your mind in the West. Specially when your opinions are not very popular with ruling left elite.

[@patmax9005]

GREAT LIL CHAT💚🍀⛪ Thank You JP & Hirsi Ali

[@jamesondubliner8714]

This was... a beautifully well documented episode. It was liberating, fantastic, incredible. This was a intriguing conversation between the two. I love it.