The Ethics of CRISPR & The Perfect Human | Doha Debates

[@raphlvlogs271]

it should be used to minimise sufferings.

[@Jay-uv6gu]

They need to find a way to do this on adults

[@onetruthmediacompany]

No they don't....playing God is too dangerous

[@ambermartin1117]

They’re doing it with the Covid vax right now , that’s MRNA

[@skiddlyd.244]

@@ambermartin1117 The covid vaccine doesn’t alter your dna

[@skiddlyd.244]

@@onetruthmediacompany We shouldn’t base ethical concerns on pseudoscience

[@ambermartin1117]

@@skiddlyd.244 it’s CRISPR technology , you don’t believe everything your tv tells you do you ?

[@plate.armour_0996]

🌞

[@raphlvlogs271]

what does that symbol means?

[@rocxylemmon8535]

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 King James Version 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

[@Deedlanger]

I would rather be modified to live a life where i won’t suffer than to live in this imperfect body. If this body gets too old and useless i may as well kill myself than to keep living in an old body that loses its privilege to drive cars and do normal human activities.

[@Melanie____]

Many people don’t eat healthy and exercise which would eradicate a huge huge part of the suffering before passing issue it seems euthanasia and permanent gene editing are very very extreme solutions to this issue with great permanent and long lasting consequences where as the self discipline to eat healthy and exercise is far far less extreme and without any ethical dilemma’s

[@Deedlanger]

@@Melanie____ Exercise is amazing but that alone can never fix the fact that our bodies will and always deteriorate from old age.

[@Skywalker3D]

people thinking of driving cars as a normal human activity is hilarious but also depressing. humans weren't meant to sit all day long in their homes or in their car or at work. humans were meant to have way more physical activity and therefore we have it harder later in life

[@Deedlanger]

@@Skywalker3DPeople drive to earn money to survive. I don’t get why it’s hilarious. It is a system that is forced upon us since birth to earn money and survive. Give your body time and age and it will give you nothing but a lose of your 5 senses, and also sadly a lose of your cognitive functions. We humans are nothing but replaceable trash 🚮. The system only exploit humans and will always remain that way unless we do something new

[@danielmoore4024]

@@Deedlanger What will happen if we don't deteriorate? We will overpopulate the planet even more, consuum more, destroy biodiversity which will only bring us to extinction. The fact we still exist tells me nature knows what it's doing, humans certainly do not know what we're doing. Those of you approaching this so blindly can't of learnt much, because the more a person learns, the more he-or she realises how little we know.

[@HHH-tz4gc]

Crispr=eugenics

[@fenixfve2613]

There is nothing wrong with eugenics itself. There have definitely been bad practices in the past, but the idea itself is good and works. It's like the French Revolution which involved many decapitations. Have these executions poisoned the idea of liberté, égalité, fraternité? Definitely not. It's the same with eugenics. We must learn from our past mistakes and adopt a new form of eugenics.

[@Winchester1973]

@@fenixfve2613 Who gets to determine what the ideal human being is supposed to look or be like? What kinds of checks and balances will be put in place to prevent discrimination of the „natural“ and unperfected? Will they be barred from health insurances at some point because they are too much of a liability? Will the option to do gene-editing then become the obligation to do so…? Let‘s give the bad Nazi eugenics program (no consent) a new garb via make-believe “consent“… That selling point will have a short shelf-life. We can already see the totalitarian push and pressure to comply with vaxx mandates regardless of its effectiveness and safety…

[@Mark-eb2jc]

@@fenixfve2613 yeah I mean you can’t just discount an entire since just because the nazis where one of the people who used it

[@danielmoore4024]

​@@Mark-eb2jc They're disguising their eugenics. They're already aborting more black people than white, they already disallow disabled people to be born, more females are aborted than males, all advertisements of designer babies are images of white males. There's advertisements of anti aging which has nothing to do with sicknesses or diseases, if it was only about sicknesses and diseases they wouldn't of ever thought of touching the human germline. This is racism, sexism, ableism, communism, eugenics and capitalism. They do not have the right to mess with a person's genes just because they perceive something about them as a "problem". Autism is not a problem, they claim they value all humans equally, since they want to rub us out of existence they clearly do not see us as equal, they are full of discriminatory thoughts like Hitler doing eugenics. The problem is clearly they're view of autism and other primarily genetic conditions. I love being autistic, I wouldn't give it up for the world. Molecular biologist Miroslav Radman writes, "Mutagenesis has traditionally been viewed as an unavoidable consequence of imperfections in the process of DNA replication and repair. But if diversity is essential to survival, and if mutagenesis is required to generate such diversity, perhaps mutagenesis has been positively selected for throughout evolution." This will bring us to extinction. Especially since there's contradictory evidence. Evelyn Fox Keller explains: "We now know that mechanisms for enduring genetic stability are a product of evolution. Yet a surprising number of mutations in which at least some of these mechanisms are disabled have been found in bacteria living under natural conditions. Why do these mutants persist? Is it possible that they provide some selective advantage to the population as a whole? Might the persistence of some mutator genes in a population enhance the adaptability of that population? Apparently so. New mathematical models of bacterial populations in variable environments confirm that, under such conditions, selection favors the fixation of some mutator alleles and furthermore, that their presence accelerates the pace of evolution." The mutants behind autism and other conditions like Down Syndrome offer some great advantages to the human race, diminishing the genes is a great risk because without those mechanisms there is no asurety of genetic stability pushing us in the direction of extinction. Psychologist Howard Gardner warns: "With the coming of age of genetics, the danger magnifies. Beyond doubt we will discover genes that are important for reading alphabetical scripts; and there is already evidence that a small set of genes may be related to reading problems. As with the brain evidence, such information can be helpful for early intervention; but it could easily be used for stigmatising purposes. Indeed, it might become relevant for marriage prospects, holding a job, securing insurance, or even eugenic purposes. And no doubt, especially in our interventionist society, individuals with a genetic predisposition for reading problems will look into different kinds of genetic engineering or therapy. It is possible that such interventions will work and have no negative side effects, but it is perhaps more likely that they will have unanticipated effects. And we might even want to consider which valued human abilities - eg. spatial or pattern recognition skills - might be placed at risk were we to target our interventions specifically at reading disorders." They really want to destroy all alternative perceptions and ways of thinking. They're ignoring how many abilities they are going to destroy and how impoverished they are going to make our world because of their cultural myopia. Each time they have tried playing God they have only caused harm. Who caused the climate change? Scientists playing God trying to control nature, did the Gods anticipate the climate change? They are not only messing with humans, this whole earth is interconnected, they are messing with the entire ecosystem, with all life. How many species have been brought to extinction because of humans manipulating nature, there's endangered species today thanks to humans manipulating nature. If we fail to understand and take care of the natural world, it can cause a breakdown of these systems and come back to haunt us in ways we know little about. A critical example is a developing model of infectious disease that shows that most epidemics - AIDS, Ebola, West Nile, SARS, Lyme disease and hundreds more that have occurred over the last several decades - don’t just happen. They are a result of things people do to nature. The diseases they claim they want to cure were caused by doing this, so why are they doing it again? Was the world ready for COVID-19 to strike? I doubt it. World War II was caused by eugenics, why are they following Adolf Hitler's steps? Mutations are not random or accidental, malaria is endemic in Africa and Africans have developed mutations that protect them from malaria through adaptation, the sickle cell mutation is a defence mechanism against malaria. Europeans don't have these mutations, if a European goes to Africa they are more likely to get a disease. It was mutations that enabled the Europeans to survive the 14th century bubonic plague. Editing one gene may cure a disease but at the same time make them more susceptible to other diseases. Eliminate the sickle cell mutation from the gene pool and you've destroyed the only defence mechanism against malaria. Such foolishness. This is wicked and pure evil to think we don't deserve to be born just because we are different. CRISPR-Cas9 is a direct violation of human rights, especially human autonomy. They need to sort their discriminatory thoughts out and not touch us without our consent!

[@user-it5po2dq9w]

Eugenics is good

[@galadriel6004]

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