The Evil Watch Seller - 10 Nasty Tricks on Ebay

[@paulbrady701]

Wow was not expecting to see you close out playing guitar and playing it beautifully, thank you Tim.👍🏻

[@terrywhitworth5350]

Very interesting video, fabulous guitar playing. A real bonus. 👍👍

[@forestcop2399]

Love the show and the music. My young son isn't t into watches but he loves the guitar, I had him check out your skills and he likes your style and sound. Thanks all the way around

[@CasebackWatches]

Thanks a lot. I really enjoy knowing that a young guy is on his way into music.

[@carlospagi]

Sweet playing and must admit I love a bit of neck bending, it's a sacrilege to many but those who do are given a glint in their eye. ;) Nice video with sound advice too by the way. Cheers Tim!

[@CaptCanuck4444]

Great channel, entertaining, informative, unfiltered. Keep up the good work!

[@PoplarTan]

Great video. Got a chuckle from you flipping the bird and the guitar playing wasn't half bad.

[@Tommy_ZM]

If you ever buy on eBay; you’re basically safe. If the watch is not as described, you can escalate the case to eBay and they’ll force a refund if the seller doesn’t make it right and eBay determines based on your photos and their message telling you the watch was fine. In fact... eBay is known for buyers saying item is not as described just to get a refund for buyers remorse and this usually works. No need for lawyers!

[@Masiman01]

Great content Tim!! another Very helpful vid!!

[@johnbarclay88]

Great vid, and very humourous. Not sure I'd ever buy anything now (if indeed I ever would have).

[@locutusdborg126]

"My grandfather gave this Rolex to me." Supposed to add street cred as most people will assume it is genuine. When you hear grandfather think fake.

[@sandorpalcso1142]

I sold a watch on Chronocouple of weeks ago, absolutely genuine, with box, papers, in impeccable condition, a great deal. The reason why I sold it was simply a collection upgrade, but I didn't want to sell it cheap, because I was wearing it when my son was born, and it had a great deal of sentimental valuefor me. I did mention this to the guy who was negotiating. He finally bought the watch, but he was very suspicious all the way. He even excused himself because of it after the delivery, he was very relieved when he opened my package. I guess there are exceptions, but I will definetely have to change my communication stylefrom now on! :)

[@locutusdborg126]

@@kepplerkeppler6407 Good for you.

[@bumpyroad3251]

Nice tips on ebay watch shopping and even better arpeggios.

[@diegohernan82]

The worst hit I got collecting watches was sending a watch to the UK. I sent it from the Spanish official courier, with a tracking number. The tracking system stopped at the UK Customs. The Spanish courier made an official claim for the package but nobody answered on the other side. It was declared officially "lost" and the basic insurance was 50€. But things do not disappear. It got stolen. If you are the maggot that stole my Tissot Visodate at the UK customs bare in mind that you are cursed. I think about you almost once a week. I'm growing stronger since then and someday I will find you and exact my revenge upon your spiritless being.

[@aamannadal7419]

That tie is a killer.

[@bg147]

It needs a watch with some bling.

[@Mark-sd7fc]

Goes well with the wrinkled jacket

[@mackdaddy8739]

Die Anzüge dieses Mannes sind unglaublich ...

[@treedillinger5801]

To clarify one point: while it is generally true that ignorance of the law is no excuse, the law typically protects a good faith purchaser for value. That is somebody who buys an item in good faith, not knowing it is fake, stolen etc ... for fair market value. If you buy something well below fair market value you are not protected. That means 2 things: 1) generally that purchaser won’t face criminal prosecution for trying to resell the item and 2) in the event that the item is stolen- the purchaser holds good title to the item against everybody except the original owner. Nobody else can make you surrender the item simply because it was stolen. Not the police, a dealer, watchmaker or anyone else- unless there is a valid claim by the original owner. In your example of an eBay listing: it depends if the person genuinely doesn’t know of an issue or if he’s lying to you and using certain phrases to cover himself...but in any event it’s unlikely that they would face criminal charges.

[@CasebackWatches]

You're right. If you can explain that you're action was under the assumption of a legal transaction, then nobody can prosecute you. Problems will arise only if you act careless in a situation in which a criminal backstory is likely.

[@Jack-is9sm]

True

[@celestialfix]

I can tell you are a man of great style. Good channel.

[@jaimey3971]

Pure entertainment, thanks for sharing. Hope you get well soon!

[@johnmiranda9310]

Omg... How many times have I received a watch from an Ebay seller with scratches and it was stated mint crystal. Wow... Well love your videos..

[@todorelojconfernando]

Great video also only buy in your country its much easier to return the item

[@plutomotorsblackpool]

No import duty either.

[@iwnl_vale]

If I buy one from here in Brazil it will cost me a million times more than buying one from abroad

[@bumpyroad3251]

The only times when I couldn't return a watch (for not being described correctly and having hidden defects) was when I've bought watches from the country I live in - Bulgaria.

[@Jack-is9sm]

Great informative podcast and exceptional guitar playing at the end.

[@tim2468]

Great video and damn fine guitar playing too!

[@bigchiponmyshoulder7573]

Let me get this right. You bought a watch from a car mechanic who restores old pocket watches and you're surprised that it runs like shit? Lol. Best laugh I've had in ages. Who serviced it? His best mate who is a Panel Beater? BTW, you look very dapper!

[@CasebackWatches]

Well, nobody's perfect :-D Frankly i think very few people at all service this affordable watches. But i've made good experiences with Hamilton from the 90s. Some of them are rocksolid.

[@leo.f.v.andersson]

Great vid, but you forgot the worst scam! Shipping cost, especially when you buy intra-eu. No shipping specified on the listing and then you get an 80euro shipping cost on top of the price. Then two weeks later you get the item in a beat up cornflake package with the shipping charge on the bill at 10euro. Italians seems to be very good at that sort of thing. What’s the name of your band btw?

[@watchhunter]

DHL it's already about 45€ and I don't want to pay the extra PayPal fees, so 80€ dollars are reasonable I think

[@leo.f.v.andersson]

@@watchhunter It's not usually sent by DHL or any other express service, just the plain snail-speed local postal service.

[@watchhunter]

Yeah ok, that's not ok

[@CasebackWatches]

Leonard Andersson: I've never experienced this myself, but heard it often. Good point.

[@CleverSmart123]

I often send it with regular mail but state it before and only charge the actual costs.

[@vnekliaev]

Correct accent - IMpudent. Thank you! Great video!

[@willardhooton920]

Great treat at the end👌You are truly talented my friend! Glad your feeling better as well.

[@jackpurcell274]

"Mint" you get it and it's a boat anchor. I bought a seamaster that way. , I did get my money back though, it was so egregious EBay forced a return, it still cost me about 80$. I love when you play, and also your thoughtful content.

[@johnwood9378]

Thanks Tim Just starting my journey into horology at the latter stages of my life. Having a great time discussing the subject with acquaintances and have discovered some phantom collectors. One guy has CRATES OF VINTAGE MOVEMENTS, CASES AND SPARE PARTS inherited from his father from Europe, he was in the industry. We are working on a strategy to with a view to cataloguing the collection and make it available at reasonable costs to watch enthusiasts and the trade. Noted all your comments regarding EBay- thanks

[@CasebackWatches]

Interesting inheritance!

[@timothythomas1626]

I source 90% of all my inventory from estate's and estate cleanout's. I am a Full Time Eabay seller as well as selling on other avenues . Of Course I sell everything and anything I can make a Profit. Including watches. I had always Liked watches since my youth. But it was selling watches that brought me to start watching KZbin watch Channels. As Like any Niche you sell in you need to know your stuff. KZbin has upped my Watch Listing quality by leaning more technical and Popular features in watch circles.

[@fmc6338]

glad you feel better

[@johnenlinda1]

Thanks. i bought the epub. nice to learn some things.

[@dennispetrovic8466]

'Are you sure this watch is not a FAKE?'. 'Would I LIE to you'

[@GMC2001]

Beautiful playing!

[@CasebackWatches]

Thanks you!

[@jn7812]

Fascinating. Well done (saying and playing).

[@bigbird7838]

Love the suit and tie !!

[@kylestewart4444]

I’ve sold a few watches on eBay (along with other expensive items like knifes, musical equipment, etc) and thankfully I haven’t been scammed yet but certainly not for a lack of trying. Also, it seems like you cannot list an item on eBay these days without getting at least a few messages saying: “Hello, what is lowest price you will accept for watch?” I just received three of these messages today in regard to my Hamilton that is currently up for auction. What could I possibly have to gain by undercutting my own auction and telling you the absolute lowest price I would accept? Why do people expect someone who is selling something to do all of the negotiation for them and simply say “this is the lowest amount of money I would accept.” You’re supposed to be the one making the offers. I list a price, you make an offer and then I will either accept or decline that offer. Asking the seller to immediately skip all of that and go straight to their absolute bottom line is classless and lazy. I put the watch up for auction because I’m confident that it will sell for a good price but I’m also hoping that multiple people will really want it and perhaps the bid will go a little bit higher than I would have gotten with just a straight up sale. It just doesn’t make sense to me. I would never send a seller a message asking “what’s the lowest amount of money you would accept for this item?” If I list a watch in great condition for $1,100 and the current market value of that watch is $850 - $1,150 depending on condition, I might eventually be willing to accept $900 but why would I just come out and say that? Obviously I’m hoping to get $1,100. If the watch hasn’t sold for a few days or weeks and you came to me with an $900 offer, I would certainly consider it but I’d never just come out and tell you the lowest amount I would accept. It takes away all of my ability to negotiate.

[@timothythomas1626]

Love to hear You Play The Last Battle scene in CROSS ROADS WITH Ralph Michio

[@juniortoledo8088]

Great video, love the solo.

[@sbcinema]

Ebay has really gone down the drain. I was selling a lot there four years ago, but now i have stopped selling on eBay since they forced my to accept PayPal payments because I was repeatedly scammed by buyers. One of the tricks is to buy the item and then return it, but they only send an empty box back and it's almost impossible to prove you've been scammed ( which is why I recommend to always filmed it when unpacked something ). And this is just the tip of the iceberg but don't want to explain the other tricks here on KZbin....

[@derekr5965]

For your Hamilton, could you just get it professionally regulated? That should cost was less than a service. Good vid. Thanks.

[@CasebackWatches]

Unfortunately this doesn't help a low amplitude. Such a watch will stop rather sooner than later.

[@kv9395]

EXCELLENT VIDEO!

[@russellharris5072]

It made my hand ache watching you play that outro.Ebay,yes.I bought a parnis homage of a panerai,not flash but a very good homage.I was the only bidder so i got it for the low(ish) starting price.Guess what turned up,yes, a forgery with all of the panerai labeling front and rear.I guess the seller was hacked off because i was the only bidder.I complained to ebay and they refunded me when they saw the photos i sent in and told me to keep the watch.I then took out the movement and erased the offending words (black marking pen) and put it back together.That guy didn't get banned and is still selling on ebay!!

[@CasebackWatches]

That's crazy. At least they should disable his account.

[@russellharris5072]

Yes Tim,they refunded me but apparently also protect the seller which is very annoying.

[@amitlesly]

Great guitar session, keep on being the leader In real content. ..BTW you let more aggression out from vlog to vlog... should Archy be scared. ...? :)

[@CasebackWatches]

Aggressions? Against Archie? Did i?

[@amitlesly]

You start to use more of Archie's language. .. you still have long way though 😃

[@CasebackWatches]

Oooops .... Fuckkkkk! ;-)

[@andrew_owens7680]

Vielen Danke fuer die Muzik! Sounds like Django.

[@MyLifeInTheDesert]

Also, I hate the eBay sellers that won’t tell you if a watch has a redial or refinish until you ask them. That should be in the description-but they know some people have no clue and will assume it’s all original.

[@nuttynut722]

this is apply to other collectible as well

[@timur9429]

The mighty mouse clicking on nasty ebay auctions 😄

[@Rog5446]

There was a vintage Patek on eBay last week and it only had a bid to £1,400 I thought this was strange and then I read the description, which said that it was being sold by a late man's nephew, who said he knew nothing about watches. The watch looked new, which was also strange. And of course NO RETURNS was declared in the info. So I emailed the seller and asked if the watch had been examined by a watchmaker to confirm authenticity, and of course said he had not. It went to some pore sod for just under £1,500

[@famimame]

My new favourite watch channel

[@texlongh]

I like the guitar at the end! Very nice, how long have you played?

[@CasebackWatches]

You mean in general? Years? I don't know exactly. About 25 years i guess.

[@MrMadvillan]

runs well, +-5min per day 😆 also the other day i found a vintage GS with a lordmatic movement

[@PowerControl]

Mmpf, my guitar skills are not even comparable... kudos!

[@CasebackWatches]

Just keep up practicing. It will come.

[@RIDEthaTHUNDER]

“Watch keeps good time!” *loses 3 hours a day*

[@Ulrich-ml5tz]

Great video an great music from a suffering man🤧

[@neverknowinglyunders]

I recently bid on a watch from a German seller. There was only one other bidder who kept out bidding me. I wasn’t prepared to go crazy and did not bid up by much. After the auction end the seller contacted me to ask if I was still interested as the winner would not pay 🙄. Yes I was, I replied saying only for the start price as the other persons bids where effectively all void. Guess what? I had no reply. I guess the seller wasn’t prepared to sell for the start price yet did not set a reserve. Dishonest.

[@CasebackWatches]

Yes, this is a really nasty and common method. I've once accepted when i still was without much experience on ebay. Paid way too much.

[@davidviner4932]

Had a long wait for the guitar solo

[@stefanienewman44]

So satisfying to be Like number 100 ? Like watching the change from 9999 on a car odometer ! I think I have experienced every one of the ten

[@s030071]

"new old stock"

[@Crazywaffle5150]

😂

[@syndicatedsatellite7288]

Stalking old watches, wishing they were new...

[@Crazywaffle5150]

I used dead people to make money lol. However, I'm a honest seller. Estate sales are awesome. :]

[@OPMDK]

Nice video 👍

[@jjannon]

Great video. Great music

[@davidgrant2008]

Working fine at time of listing. Red flag!

[@kevincorkery6292]

Nice guitar work!

[@mattexe27]

Great points well made 👍🏻

[@bronco1199]

The classic its discontinued so they list it 20% above retail, meanwhile you can find the watch on Amazon still for less.

[@panzerkami2381]

"Not tested for function" Really? You're selling a watch but figuring out if it works is too much trouble? This means "not working", of course.

[@Genegenedtb]

nice guitar playing.

[@CasebackWatches]

Thank you.

[@dennispetrovic8466]

A shop selling watches advertised this on radio. 'Get in early for your watch bargains. Closing down sale. 30 days to go'. 'Get in early for your watch bargains. Closing down sale. 29 days to go'. 'Get in early for your watch bargains. Closing down sale. 28 days to go'. And on and on and on. Then, 'Get in early for your watch bargains. Closing down sale. Last day today'. So I bought a watch for supposedly a bargain price because he was closing down and I bought it on the last sale day. Then, on the radio was the same seller advertising, 'RE-OPENING day tomorrow. Come and get your bargain watches. '''''''''''''''DID I JUST GET TAKEN?'''''''''''''''''

[@syndicatedsatellite7288]

Watches misrepresented as being new, is the seller's trick I notice on eBay....

[@TheSMPStudios]

What’s the name of your band? I would like to check them out!!

[@CasebackWatches]

Duke & Dukies. I quit 2019 for several reasons, but they're still around and a great ensemble. www.dukies.de

[@TheSMPStudios]

@@CasebackWatches cool! I’ll check them out! I’m a professional Drummer AND watch collector (mainly Omega due a nice Constellation my father was gifted in his wedding day)! Love the channel!

[@edshatto9869]

When I first started going on Ebay for watches I was naive. Found an add for a new super cheap bulova. I bought it and it took forever to come. I emailed the seller a few times about it and he kept stringing me along. It finally arrived. It was the cheapest piece of crap and definitely not a bulova. I emailed the seller again to ask WTF. It was almost comical his excuse. He blamed me for being stupid enough to think I could buy a bulova at that price and he cussed me out. Far as I can tell the dude is still selling his BS on Ebay. If something is too good to be true then it is...

[@PiotrBagniewski]

the guitar at the made me click LIKE!!!

[@cedarcanoe]

Ein gutes Video wie immer! Grüße aus Schweden

[@emanuelroth7960]

I just bought a vintage Tissot Seastar that loses 8 hours a day. The seller said it keeps good time considering it is a vintage piece. I don't understand how 8 hours a day is reasonable even for a vintage.

[@CasebackWatches]

That happened to me several times. Extremely annoying.

[@watchhunter]

"easy to fix" kann sogar manchmal stimmen. Es gibt auch Menschen, die nicht einfach Mal so mehrere hundert Euro für einen Service oder eine Reparatur ausgeben können. Boah Menschen, die Neupreise bei ihren Angeboten angeben, egal bei was, gehen mir dermaßen auf den Sack. Da klicke ich sofort weg.

[@wohltemper]

In France, "en très bon état" apparently means "the watch is a complete wreck, and I don't know how to focus my 2003 cameraphone".

[@scottparis6355]

Interesting. All the same slippery techniques are used for cameras on that site. (And probably everything else.) You forgot: "I am not an expert on cameras/watches, but this seems to be working correctly."

[@DarrenBurgess1989]

Condition is used! Used isn’t a condition aaaargh!

[@crappyluxurypdx]

Tim, What's the cheapest crappiest watch you've purchased in say the last five years?

[@CasebackWatches]

Seiko 5 with an Royal Oak style dial from the 90s for 50 Euros. But actually i like it :-)

[@crappyluxurypdx]

@@CasebackWatches Sounds interesting. Probably pretty good.

[@samcleaver2716]

Hiding complication defects of a chronograph by not fixing sticky pushers. The pics are blurry because I'm not a professional photographer. I cant show you the pristine movement because i dont have a case back tool. $70 shipping fees so that when you return the crap watch they have made $50. Not disclosing redials, hands...etc

[@cooperwardell8558]

The one that is funniest to me is “rare piece.” I see Grand Seiko snowflake listed at $9000US “rare piece.” First of all, not it isn’t and there are 15 listings below it at reasonable prices. Secondly, I searched for the watch, so of course I’d know if it’s a rare piece or not, I’m the one looking for it!

[@555Gear]

Hilarious and on point!

[@mrg1911]

It never made sense to me....buying a luxury item on flea-bay.....hmm? Someone wants “Luxury”.....whatever that means....then risks dealing with criminals to save precious money they maybe shouldn’t be spending in the first place! I’m in Zurich at the moment....and the folks in the boutiques say that Swiss people don’t buy so many used or grey market watches do to distrust. I’m the same way.....they might be onto something! Do you play electric guitar? I could give you a set list that would make even the tightest of German behinds want to shake it all night long. Thank you!

[@AaroKeipi]

I've bought about 25 vintage watches on eBay in the past year, and returned five of them. I've had watches that lose 5-7 minutes a day even though they claim that they were just serviced and "keep good time." In these cases most sellers are reasonable and offer a partial refund in lieu of return (though I always go for a return). According to eBay's policy, the seller is always responsible for paying the return postage. Ebay (and Paypal) make it very easy to open a case and get your money back if the item is not as described. The crazy thing is that all the watches that I returned ended up straight for sale again, with the exact same description as before ("keeps good time"), waiting for the next sucker who doesn't have the energy to make a return. One seller even blocked me from making future purchases after I returned two watches that were not as described. No huge loss for me, but funny to find out when I was considering another purchase from them.

[@CasebackWatches]

Exactly my experience as well: Mostly they simply relist the crap without any correction. A mixture of audacity and stupidity i think.

[@bigpig9562]

"The photos are the descriptions". So, if you don't see it, too bad, it's described. 😅

[@raphael2966]

Cool.

[@vladtheimpaler5090]

Excellent!!!!!!!

[@johncaron4888]

"Could be silver."

[@jmskelly59]

Hey Tim! What is the name of your band??

[@CasebackWatches]

Duke & Dukies

[@jmskelly59]

@@CasebackWatches Thanks Tim. As a former bassist in a band called Stillroom I'll check you guys out. All the best!

[@Genegenedtb]

what is the name of your band?

[@CasebackWatches]

Duke & Dukies

[@roamy3605]

Thanks for the review of these nasty tricks. Now I can use these dirty tricks to help me sell my watches faster and for more money on Ebay. Just joking! Yes, I think I have seen most of these tricks in the past. How can you not make money buying a $1,000 retail Invicta watch for $200 and then trying to sell it for $300?

[@CasebackWatches]

Of course you can make this Invicta deal. Question is: is it worth the effort? Ebay always wants 10 percent ...

[@Agrippa31BC]

Great vid as always. Even though it doesn’t offend me, you should tone down with the curse words, because they demonetize the video. I’m way more fowl mouthed in real life, I’m just saying.

[@neverknowinglyunders]

Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa I take the point you make about demonitizing the video, but I think loosing the swearing completely would take away something from the videos. Tim’s delivery is honest and frank and funny all because I think he’s just being himself. I suspect this is a major part of the appeal of Tim’s videos ( not the swearing, but the natural delivery ).

[@Agrippa31BC]

Craig Rodgers indeed Craig, it would take something out of the video. I really hate this policy of no swearing, and I like Tim’s direct ways, not something you see on every channel, and he probably doesn’t need KZbin money anyway...

[@1rightrev]

Ok my friend--my first time viewing and I have to say, you have some good information here for the e-bay novice and not so novice; well done. I also have to say that I trust you wan to capture your viewers which means grabbing them immediately out of the gate. Spending time on your past ills and ailments is a put-off and I was close to bailing. The other point I wish to share in the hopes of your success, is that your profanities detract from your credibility. It also clashes with your very sharp dress. So consider leaving out your crass talk and raise the bar! You can do it!

[@CasebackWatches]

Bill, this is one of my oldest videos, filmed with an Ipad and without any form of professionalism in it. I cannot watch it anymore, but the content is still valid so I leave it online. Perhaps I should make a better version of it.

[@1rightrev]

@@CasebackWatches No problem! It was in the what it's worth category! I wish you my best!!!

[@santfournier]

Bullshit, I’ve been bitten so many times on eBay I will not ever buy another watch from there. Too many fakes and bad watches.

[@hentomedw]

Tim, is your music available on cd?

[@CasebackWatches]

Yepp: dukies.bandcamp.com/releases

[@hentomedw]

Ta

[@MikeLike8]

The rare vintage watch is used frequently in ads and while may be stated it infers it is desirable and rare, collectible and sought after when it is rare, can be a piece of mediocre horology when it came out, is still that and likely worse today, the. Asked did not sell and or make many, therefore it is rare and also not worth the money at all as there are superior vintage watches worth paying a premium on. There are rare vintage watches that also will cost a fortune to repair, if you can find a watchmaker to take it one as parts are not available for it, so almost all watchmakers will decline taking it on, often stating stating it can’t be repaired .

[@CasebackWatches]

Spot on!

[@edloki3057]

Goddamn.. I thought you were Robert De Niro..

[@MrMomo182]

BRAVO!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@burkholdst.rudderberg3574]

Never, ever, ever, buy a used watch from an online seller who does not clearly photograph the movement! ( Keep in mind many sellers do not have the proper tools to expose the movement; especially from a "remove through crystal" watch case - buyer beware! )

[@bumpyroad3251]

A common lie with vintage watches on ebay: ''Although an officially certified chronometer watch gains 2 minutes per day because it is a vintage piece...'' That's rubbish - a COSC certified chronometer from the 60s or 70s if properly maintained and in good condition has no reason to not perform with the same level of accuracy as it was new. Such a big deviation from COSC standarts means the watch has been neglected for decades and its movement is crap.

[@CasebackWatches]

Second that. There is no technical reason for non cosc performance.

[@pedrosaenz2800]

Use pay pal and fake watches will not be payed. You safe your money. Buy the seller than the watch. I never sold any of my watches. Prices are the ones customers are really paying.