THE EVOLUTION OF SCREAMING: from The Beatles to Slayer!

I discuss the evolution of screaming in rock and metal! Some of what I cover:
* Early pioneers like The Beatles, Little Richard and Howlin Wolf
* Punk and metal bands like Black Flag, Judas Priest and Slayer ("Raining Blood")
* Grunge and alternative metal artists like Nirvana, Soundgarden, and Fear Factory ("Soul Of A New Machine")
* Linkin Park's "Hybrid Theory" and the 90s screamo vocals / skramz bands like Saetia, Orchid and Page 99
* The metalcore era like Killswitch Engage, As I Lay Dying, and The Devil Wears Prada and screamo covers
* "Mall screamo" bands like The Used, From First To Last and Underoath
* Trap metal artists who combine rap with screaming such as Ghostemane and City Morgue
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Signed up.

[@andrewsmith5053]

Thanks for this video. Think alot of people forgot about the used and how much influence they had on the genre.

[@marcusg5665]

I know this is purely preference but I'd like to hear your thoughts on your favorite metalcore wave. 1.0 is what I thought metalcore was haha Then I kept watching your channel and learned how big metalcore is and what it became. I also learned that I don't actually like metalcore.. the more you know...

[@adamrees400]

Total respect for the Casey Calvert rip

[@geoparkie]

Was that JEROME’S DREAM at 5:30?? Those boys came to Tulsa in around 99-00 and blew faces off! Great video Finn 😎

[@dEllDIIb]

Chester's scream at the end of Given Up will never not impress me.

[@CyclonicTuna023]

Chesters vocals will never not be impressive. I've always felt that a lot of the scene and emo bands did screaming as sort of a party trick. To try and up the intensity every couple of notes. Kind of annoying imo. Linkin Park has a good sense of buildup and song structure. And Chester could hold legit notes while distorting his voice heavily. The guy was a beast.

[@hoovy1163]

@@CyclesAreSingularities its not a fry scream, thats literally his true scream, considering that chester kinda has a high pitched voice

[@nemo9540]

what impressed me was how long he could hold that scream "misery" for so long, im mean the guy smoked meth, was a smoker and still had the lung capacity to pull that off and then go straight back to his more melodic vocals. that blew my mind when i first hurd that track. Anthony vincent whos a vocalist who has a channel ten second songs tried and failed badly, im sure someone out there has done it but i imagine not a lot.

[@ryderwilson7955]

@@nemo9540 didn't he stop with the drugs and smoking after Meteora?

[@nemo9540]

@@ryderwilson7955 apparently he struggled with his addictions to the end, the poor guy just wanted to feel oblivion, he said in a few interviews that he admires a sociopaths ability to not have feelings. There were days when he was really happy but quite often he just wanted to crawl up in a ball in the corner and completely cut himself off from everyone even from himself. His mind was so broken from years of clinical depression and drug addiction its not so much of a shock to understand why he struggled with drugs and alcohol. I've been clinically depressed for some years now after having to go through 2 forms of cancer one of which is thankfully rare for nearly 20 years and there's days when I shut myself away and just screw this world and everything in it. I have a morphine addiction thanks to having to get my lung removed, I've been struggling with that for 18 years now I've also had never dealt with childhood trauma so I guess I can ever so slightly relate to what Chester was going through except his downward spiral began so early in his life that he didn't know any better. My story is far from unique, there's so many people out there who are going through the same and all we have is helplines and a broken mental health system which people like me have to wait at least 6 months to access. It's people like Chester and millions like him that never stood a chance to have a normal life.

[@islandrebelmakeup4653]

What I love about Chester’s screaming is it’s really clean and you CAN actually understand what he’s saying.

[@bertafjertafisalukta2302]

Thats what i love about his screaming too

[@XViTNg]

That’s cause it’s more of a yell than a scream.

[@islandrebelmakeup4653]

@@XViTNg nah, it’s screaming. It’s the perfect version of the technical way you scream.

[@ilikevideos4868]

And he screamed actual NOTES

[@islandrebelmakeup4653]

@@ilikevideos4868 yes! Poppy is the same way. She’s a little messier but still on point.

[@David-bc3nj]

Chester from Linkin Park introduced me to screaming in music when I was like 11 or 12. Then started doing vocals at 14. Now I’m 25 and I still scream to my favorite metal bands for fun

[@sammyhain]

Ok me too but I'm 22

[@orionthomas967]

What always impressed me about Chester Bennington’s screaming is how much feeling he was able to put into it. With some bands screaming feels like an aesthetic choice but with Chester it felt like the only way he could express those lyrics. Tried wording that without sounding entirely dismissive of a lot of bands lol.

[@lindboknifeandtool]

Knocked loose sounds like the dude is being torn apart

[@MangoSocksSmell7]

“Vocals as a instrument” I’ve been trying to explain that for the last 16 years 😂

[@williamkoscielniak820]

I don't know why it's hard to explain that. Vocals have ALWAYS been used as an instrument. Be it singing, chanting, growling, screaming, rapping, or whatever else. They are used to create melody, rhythm, harmony, tone, and everything else that instruments create.

[@JLeww69]

i’ve used this explanation for the past few years and it works very well. people usually have a lightbulb moment when i say it’s like an instrument. most people have a hard time enjoying music without being able to understand the vocals

[@BirdOfHermes83]

My puppy just peed on the floor! 🤨

[@reneecaron3816]

I miss being a vocalist... my pipes going to waste!!!! And it puts you in a better mood per you are working your vagus nerve out. I was in better mood when I sang metal.... gotta get back in the groove!... grrrrrrrrrrrrrrawwwwhhhhhhhhhh!

[@TheRockofE]

I've tried to explain the same thing to people from older generations then me as well as people from my generation. Whether they listen to rap , clean vox metal and/or rock. Just because you can't understand the lyrics is no reason to dislike screaming in music or the song for that matter. And if anything the fact that your worried that much about the lyrics. Just shows me how much you really don't try to take in everything the music your listening to is trying give to you. And 9 times out of ten the instruments are not even payed attention to . And that's a shame being how much hard work goes in to what we all listen to and love.

[@jv5t1n7]

The ultimate Deathcore insults: Vocalists doing inhales, drummers using triggers, and cupping the mic

[@dangle.300]

I don't see why drum triggers get so much hate. I remember when I was young and in high school a lot of people thought it was cheating because they thought it made playing faster and easier which was wildly inaccurate. It's essentially the equivalent of a guitarist using a pedal to change the sound of the instrument and if your drums were tuned to the same sound pack you use, I'd say it's no different than having drum mics running through an EQ before hitting the live mix. It's actually necessary for things like deathcore or anything with a lot of speed especially things with fast double kick runs because it provides clarity to each note played or else at high speeds your double kick just sounds like a rumbling monotone drone. If anything, it makes the sound engineer's job easier in live situations.

[@michaelguertin7521]

You know I actually have gotten into a fist fight over somebody calling my fry screams/skweels after I took a big fat breath in word before demonstrating dude pissed me off I'm almost 28 and I been doing this shit since I was 13

[@michaelguertin7521]

@@dangle.300 calling am inhales*

[@GregStraub42]

@@dangle.300 Because perfect, sterile, accuracy is bad. Learn how to play the instrument or hire someone who can.

[@LaggyLuke]

​@@michaelguertin7521i have no idea what you tried to say here

[@feral8163]

I mean, I remember Corey Taylor being one of the first vocalists in metal to be able to switch from his heavy screaming to those melodic choruses without blowing his voice out. The "good cop, bad cop" bands usually had a singer (on bass) and a screamer (who couldnt, or didnt, sing) so seeing someone do both on stage and have it actually sound good was jarring.

[@danielt3855]

people had been doing this for a long time before slipknot got popular., actually, it just wasn't any bands in the mainstream. a lot of the proggier death metal bands in the early to mid 90s had both clean and growled vocals done by one guy, the best examples probably being mikael akerfeldt from opeth and devin townsend from strapping young lad, but there was also ihsahn from emperor, grutle kjellson from enslaved, jonas renkse from katatonia...it goes on

[@andrewholmes2576]

I’m surprised Slipknot wasn’t mentioned. Corey is one of the few false chord screamers that you can generally understand the lyrics of.

[@rudylangin2370]

@@andrewholmes2576 it’s because this is a punk rock channel. Slipknot is Nu-Metal. I’m surprised they put Slayer in the thumbnail, but either way, metal and punk are entirely different. Although, Nu-metal and metalcore take a lot from punk, but metal is usually more technical.

[@rudylangin2370]

@@andrewholmes2576 nevermind. I just looked that their next video in my recommended. They cover metal, too. Forget what I said,

[@MrCk1234567890]

*on bass* lmaoooooooo

[@undone14]

Missing Jonathan Davis from Korn. He had primal screams on the first 2 albums, even dipped into death growls. Listen to Good God, Proud, Lies, Helmet in the bush, Fake, Need To, Kill You, etc. A lot of screams from other singers can't touch the intensity and rawness from his screams on those albums.

[@minedude33]

@oO{ Dawabo }Oo Danny sucked after AA's self-titled

[@dude6658]

Serj also had some bad ass growls and self titled and toxicity

[@joeylewis1121]

Yes korn right now

[@danysaurrr]

@@minedude33 absolutely

[@Ronn_V]

@@greenbeangreg2552 *i like it bc of how dark that one part is where jon is going bonkers while sounding anxious*

[@ChaosandComics]

Lol at poor Finn that has to keep saying "i can't possibly list them all.." three times per video so his comments aren't filled with "what about...x"

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

And yet they still are lol

[@MichaelGMoney]

Yeah where's Glassjaw?

[@nymets1104]

Kinda disappointed Escape the fate was left out kappa

[@jordanbogdan2329]

yeah wb knocked loose finn didnt they invent screamo?!?!?!

[@kirkwilson6229]

That's the inherent problem with doing lists, especially if it's a "history of" sort of thing.

[@tylerderosa239]

I think Corey Taylor was probably a huge influence on screaming as well. That debut album was pretty fucking raw regarding his vocals.

[@joe94c]

A lot of of the early nu metal to be honest

[@EliseOfTheValley]

Oh yeah the self titled album was my introduction to screaming type shit

[@tetfol3315]

@@joe94c I think that half of Around The Fur is screamed.

[@thelastdaybreathinginetern1385]

@@joe94c yes!

[@MlackBetal]

Gimme a scream corey

[@gamevault4580]

It's a shame that "vocals as an instrument" is such a foreign concept to most, harsh vocals are an incredibly fascinating musical concept...I've been doing harsh vocals for about two years now and it's crazy how many different kinds of sounds that you can make with it

[@ConvincingPeople]

Game Vault Cricket gutturals are so fun. Just an utterly disgusting noise.

[@robertstan2349]

try carrying a melody

[@digitalcthulhu143]

I personally love Impaled. Having 3 vocalists with different harsh vocals sounds so damn good.

[@zinAab79]

I've always wondered why so many people have problems with growls when is basically the same that aplying effects to guitar, like distortion. Is just a way to shape the sound to achieve new sound textures

[@digitalcthulhu143]

@@zinAab79 Because people are close minded. When they hear screaming they think "angery grrr emo music". When they hear growls and shrieks they think "big devil music". The fact that other kinds of music are popular also means they are not exposed to this so when they cone across it its a shock to them and they immediately wrote it off.

[@elainaxmarie]

I’d love to hear you talk about Sonny Moore’s transition from a screamo singer in from first to last to becoming Skrillex

[@p0gits02]

Linkin Park was a huge startup and influence for me when I was in highschool. Before that I was listening to alternative stuffs.

[@calebspencer3451]

Never heard the “Good cop bad cop” analogy before 😂

[@soniamiller4787]

I kinda heard "beauty and the beast", but it's more about man growling/pretty chick singing opera format 😂 so you can't call it that way here

[@pucksaver95]

the bunny the bear

[@joshua.merrill]

What's a good cop? Lol I always heard it "beauty and the beast"

[@michaelguertin7521]

I call it armageddon

[@michaelguertin7521]

Growling screaming to me is sorta like God's wrath far more terrifying than evil trying to be beauty

[@Kylehbck]

I think people don’t even realize how much of an impact Chester had with his screaming. Given Up was unbelievable. I’d also argue that GlassJAw’s style of screaming was hugely influential on artists that came about after them. So many artists have referenced Darryl’s chaotic style of jumping from singing to screaming and back again as an influence to them.

[@dick8997]

Still surprising given up ended up a single

[@andrewbernal6819]

Anything that shows Chester Bennington is something I’ll click on 🤘🏽 Fly High and Rest Easy Chester we miss and love you brother 🙏🏼♥️ #HybridTheory

[@a7xfanforever556]

They changed the sound of rock in 99-00's. Love and miss Chester. 💔

[@simonwilliams3227]

I remember a long time ago when bands would mention they could scream in songs for fear of losing fans. Then years later I heard about a band who said they had to scream to get recognised and get new fans. It’s interesting how trends change over the years. Thanks for the video, it was really interesting.

[@Ninjametal]

I think the influence and impact of Pantera's "Vulgar Display of Power" blew open doors of listener perception and resonated in most yelling/screaming music that happened after it

[@matthewowen5478]

100%.

[@yourgrandma8547]

facts Rip Dime!

[@thunderhorse6666]

Thats my exact thoughts.

[@kanvolu]

F A C T S

[@joshuaperez-rios7452]

A moment of silence for all those guys/girls who ruined their voices to get us here in screaming

[@LRM12o8]

The bit about Linkin Park popularizing metal screaming is spot on for me! Chester's screams are what brought me from Rock to Metal, specifically because I was so impressed by it that I went searching for more like it and found bands like Bullet For My Valentine, Lostprophets, KoRn, Papa Roach, Bring Me The Horizon, Five Finger Death Punch, etc. The Rock bands I've been listening to before that (mostly Foo Fighters, Revolverheld and Die Toten Hosen) also had harsh vocals and some stuff I'd call screaming (eg. Monkey Wrench), but somehow it just didn't strike me like first Chester and then all these other nu metal and metal core bands did.

[@Darkestbefourdawn]

I distinctly remember Warped Tour '08, when Sonny Moore got nodes on his vocal cords due to screaming and From First to Last didn't play. I was like 16, I cried so hard

[@sauce1302]

I'm literally listening to rock n roll by him as I read this comment, that's crazy

[@ChanceSampson91]

Same thing happened to Bert on warped 07

[@SM-gt9vg]

Me too because that was the year I was supposed to go see them for the first time, but they dropped off the tour before it came to my state. And Sonny quit the band after that too. They were my #1 favorite band back then, I was heartbroken.

[@joeybatmania9327]

lphns mnz vsqz Yeah, Sonny’s problem was just that he sang everything way too fuckin’ loud and it messed up his throat

[@pgrobe9000]

Patiently waiting for my “How they got so big” video about Victory Records.

[@moisesdelarosa751]

Or Hopeless Records

[@PrisonerInGlass]

Simple, they did the same as any successful label does. They appealed to the lowest common denominator and the denominator at the time was scene kids. It's simple marketing.

[@moisesdelarosa751]

@@PrisonerInGlass you must be fun at parties

[@PrisonerInGlass]

@@moisesdelarosa751 A blast.

[@Sisyphus317]

Victory is a horrible label to be in... unless you are the marquee band

[@travissmith7440]

I'm glad you mentioned senses fail. They are criminally underrated and deserve a hell of a lot more attention than they get.

[@freelanceopportunist559]

"Nirvana was as popular as Post Malone is now" The only time I heard Post Malone he was singing a Nirvana song.

[@ultrajazz5335]

Same.

[@theicedevil]

I work with kids who listen to all that popular autotuned hip hop shit all day long and none of them ever listen to Post Molone.

[@soulwolfx2291]

@@theicedevil honestly post malone is one of the only talented modern rappers

[@sonikku956]

@@soulwolfx2291 That's an insult, considering that he's almost never a rapper, but a singer over trap beats. Listen to more modern hip hop, talent is in there.

[@ArmyBoiSweat]

He has a new one with ozzie

[@christopherkimber7679]

Fun story with that devil wears Prada video that he shows here. I was in a band at the time called amen the animal (they went on to become life on repeat, signed to equal vision). We shot a video in Pittsburgh. As e were shooting the video, a bus pulled up outside the abandoned factory we were in. It was the devil wears Prada. And they were shooting that very video the day we were shooting ours in the same factory. Got to hang with them. Pretty cool guys. And they were traveling in mxpx’s old bus. Got to check out the set they set up for the old guy scenes. All the jars with bugs and stuff. Pretty awesome day indeed.

[@josheasterly6391]

Dude, finding this random comment in the KZbin comments section made my fucking day. I’m from the same hometown as Charlie, so I’ve been a huge fan and still bump “my iron heart” at the gym. Great album. If you can somehow get me the demos with screams I’ll Venmo you lol. RIP Charlie.

[@josheasterly6391]

LIFT ME UPPPP WITH YOUR WIINNGGSSS AND CARRY ME AWAY!

[@seansmith4730]

I used to listen to life on repeat so much in high school! and i have met only one other person who was into them :( i have to assume your band was similar in sound or no? I'll check it out regardless i just like to know what im getting into you know? what a random little connection to come across but still awesome

[@_BDubya]

@@seansmith4730 Life on Repeat to this day is one of my favorites 🤘🏽🙂

[@dancooper5423]

Could you tell me please wich video is this?

[@DaijaWatson]

"For some reason kids liked the pig squeal" *Shows video of Chelsea Grin* I'm guilty 💀

[@thelastdaybreathinginetern1385]

Yes. I've been a metalhead for over a decade. I'm mostly into Technical death metal, dsbm, Progressive metal, deathcore and metalcore, and some nu metal like Korn, Slipknot, Disturbed, Loathe and Northlane. You should check out the band Archspire- Human Mumuration. Thank me later 🤘🏾

[@DaijaWatson]

@@thelastdaybreathinginetern1385 yeah I like some of those bands. I'm a big fan of post hard core and emo music that this video talks a lot about. And of course the evolution as finn mentioned in other videos was deathcore music hence why I'm such a huge fan Chelsea Grin, white chapel, upon a burning body, Rose Funeral etc...

[@tevildo9383]

Your user name sounds like it could be its own DSBM band

[@xtwo-steppx5206]

@@DaijaWatson Rose Funeral! 🤘

[@ConsistentlyInconsistent21]

Better than Job for a Cowboy

[@Cuestar]

happy to see senor bivins on my screen in 2021

[@sl8103]

Never would've thought you watched punk rock mba

[@KarlSchoenefeld4]

He does a great job naming bands, but I'm very surprised that out of all of them, Rage Against the Machine wasn't mentioned. Their first album in particular is very important to the evolution of screaming because they basically hint and tell you through the musical progression of the songs when the screaming parts are coming. Songs like Killing in the name, Bullet in the head, and Freedom can take almost any basic rock fan, and teach them to appreciate screaming.

[@timkirsten6184]

Yeah, I remember how huge The Kill by 30 seconds to mars was on the radio when I was 9. Can't believe those vocals were mainstream!

[@musaa.7973]

that song is timeless

[@robertsteinberger5667]

great song, I like one armed scissor by at the drive in even more

[@lisalegato0109]

Ugh, Jared Leto used to be great. Now he just sings WHOAAA like a douche with auto tune.

[@Snowbrowth]

I can recall several of my friends watching maybe like one 6-minute video on how to scream and swore they were an expert on technique from then on.

[@sheeno3882]

Ccfc🔴⚪

[@bengirard1984]

A Day To Remember is probably the most influential in the easycore genre. I never really liked pop punk in general but this band managed to make me appreciate it way more because their different styles blend really well.

[@Drakksy]

"Pop punk with screaming over breakdowns in drop C" Really gotta call my music out like that lol. Great video. Really appreciative and informative like always. I was born in the 90s and didn't start listening to any of the music you talk about until high school. Thanks for teaching me the roots of what's been keeping me alive

[@thiccboikyle4191]

Little Richard is absolutely amazing, even to this day. I’m glad that you made a small mention of that early rock history

[@jlobiafra]

He was Lemmy's favorite vocalist ever

[@rileyknox6147]

great video! hearing linkin park and chester's screaming definitely implanted a love for heavy music at a young age. the perfect amount of angst without going full converge

[@andrewhernandez9370]

Haha the inhales and cupping the mic technique insults brought back some funny conversations with bands and vocalists that I forgot about. Dudes took that shit super personal haha.

[@polaco.official]

In the last 15 years the vocals gained most tecnique and Power than ever, the old vocalists create a way but evolution came to bring us masterpieces vocals like Alex Terrible and Will Ramos, they tecnique its so good and unbeliveble for who hear at first time.

[@ScrilboBaggins]

I think my introduction to screaming was seeing Alexisonfire on Much music (Canada’s equivalent to MTV)

[@ronstoppable5659]

Yeah, even though they’re quite possibly my favorite band of all time, I’m still shocked that they got so much airplay on there, wouldn’t The Used being the band to cross over to the pop scene over there make a lot more sense considering that screaming in their music was nowhere near as prominent as it was for AOF

[@nickstickB]

The only band ever.

[@cl7510]

I remember Much Music. I’d never heard of it until we got a direct TV satellite back in the mid 90’s.

[@blakesinatra1626]

They were sick!

[@ashleynoname3580]

I was seriously thinking about Alexisonfire while watching this video. I mean, I was listening to Linkin Park before too, but Alexisonfire on MuchMusic was my first intro to screamo. I STILL remember the first time I saw the Counterparts and Number Them video. My first reaction was wtf but as I continued watching, I fell in love. Maybe it's more of a Canadian thing? I dunno but I have loved Alexisonfire since.

[@Konosuballs]

Imma say it, Jonathan Davis screams we’re underrated and should had been on the list😔

[@joshblack4291]

Yep agreed and Sevendust.

[@drexelmarz7144]

True, his sreaming was full of emotion inside his soul

[@SkarletOctaviaMUSIC]

Brony Korn, I've seen you in a lot of the comments on metal videos. You're awesome

[@layon99]

and bands like death, sepultura, meshuggah, slipknot as well....just gave more praise to the hardcore scene tbh

[@superstarthomas]

Jonathan Davis actually does put a lot of real emotions into them. Like he really does sound like he's in pain. And looking up a lot of the lyrics you can probably see why. Songs like Good God and Daddy come to mind.

[@Creatine_Shits]

I’m not even the biggest linkin park fan but every time I see or hear them I can’t stop thinking how insane it is that he’s not here anymore. I grew up in the early 2000’s like so many of us and if you were brought up on rock in the 2000’s you listened to linkin park.

[@chrismarquette8627]

Very fitting that Chester is on the thumbnail. No scream compares to his. especially on Given Up

[@nine-toedsloth7168]

Early hardcore bands: "Wanna hear the most annoying sound in the world?"

[@l-manb8054]

Mock! Yeah! Ing! Yeah! Bird! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!

[@njsteere]

Shout out to Youth of Today and Ray Cappo. Love that band.

[@FoxoDile]

Still better than 2008 post hardcore. "You wanna hear an arbitrary sound clip right before a shitty breakdown?" "Fine... fuck you then..." *blast beats and awkward frye scream*

[@capnjames]

FoxoDile Santiago sounds like scarlord 😬

[@DJ-pp4mt]

@@l-manb8054 beautiful comment

[@jackgottsegen1499]

RIP Chester. He helped me out a lot

[@alldayidreamaboutsteak551]

How?

[@jackgottsegen1499]

@@alldayidreamaboutsteak551 Because I was depressed a very suicidal and his music helped me remember that there's always a light at the end of the tunnel. That's how

[@physicsisawesome696]

@@jackgottsegen1499 oh

[@BCThunderthud]

I have a friend who sang the harsh vocals in a black metal band that did pretty well, i.e., played Roadburn and made a bunch of year-end lists for their last album. She was a big fan of John Brannon from Negative Approach and Laughing Hyenas, he was probably the best of the 80s hardcore screamers but Laughing Hyenas was a rock band and his screaming was just as intense. And I assume a lot of kids saw The Boredoms at Lollapalooza '94, Yamastuka Eye is like the Charlie Parker of screaming, and he was doing it on rap records too as early as 1990.

[@triplesixmafia]

it's real interesting how you touch on how scream vocals infiltrated that border-line mainstreamism in the 2000s but still had some difficulty appropriating it. There are actually (no joke) alternate versions of singles by Slipknot, Killswitch Engage and even Underoath that have some (or all) of the scream/growl vocals removed. -- it's still so crazy to think how screamed vocals were deemed so taboo through mainstream vision. the kind of stuff record people do to get certain tunes on the radio or TV is crazy

[@joezollner4201]

I’m a simple man, I see Chester Bennington, I click.

[@DMTInfinity]

*#lolz*

[@physicsisawesome696]

Same

[@zoe-jj6jc]

Who is this Chester

[@physicsisawesome696]

@@zoe-jj6jc the guy in the thumbnail. He is the vocalist of the band Linkin Park.

[@zoe-jj6jc]

@@physicsisawesome696 oh sorry, i thought it was obvious that it's a joke hahah,, but still thanks for trying to help:)

[@oopsididamaterialism8113]

I’d love to see a follow-up on vocalists who changed their screaming style as they and their bands aged.

[@thelastdaybreathinginetern1385]

Asking Alexandria, Cradle of filth, Suicide Silence, Mushroomhead there are a lot of bands..

[@oopsididamaterialism8113]

Pretty much all the MySpace bands who are still around. Looking at you TDWP. Norma Jean is also a good example. Corey in OGTA is way different from Corey today.

[@micahengstrom6242]

Trivium is a big one, Jesse from KSE, Oli Sykes is the biggest.

[@iangauthier1594]

Parkway Drive is also going down that road, it was either that or change vocalist, his voice was slowly going away ( but you cant just get rid of Winston, too charismatic and a huge part of that band)

[@Abasedbymygrief]

@@thelastdaybreathinginetern1385 suicide silences screaming style never changed they just got different vocalists lol

[@oliverbock5659]

Thanks for mentioning Bands like Heroin and the San Diego scene. Struggle, Swing Kids and Unbroken changed the mind of a flannel wearing kid that was me at that time. I would mention also some good other examples of that era. First canadian bands like Union of Uranus, Drift or One Eyed Prophecy and second a political hardcore band from Tuscon Arizona called Groundwork. Also Anomie of France, Age and Zorn from Germany or Envy from Japan have been such bands. Seems your channel is really a fine thing, one of the pearls of YT.

[@orionthomas967]

Oh man thanks for reminding of Envy. So damn good!

[@MrRayhonda]

ayyyyy you started the video using my old How To Scream video from my Rjfire channel XD that's hilarious. Fun fact it was actually a video presentation for my English class in highschool that i chucked on youtube. LOL

[@Jorgetime]

Cannibal Corpse should have a mention, at least for the Ace Ventura thing.

[@lucidstatedept1267]

This. I would say that one stupid (and hilarious) bit on ace ventura helped push death metal to the mainstream.

[@TheRockofE]

AGREEED I was saying the same shit

[@bluesolace9052]

That short cameo in that scene surprised me, it was quite interesting though

[@BirdOfHermes83]

It would of bend better of they brought Ace on stage!

[@keilman7051]

@@BirdOfHermes83 he does in the unedited version

[@estellegetty1995]

Finn: this isn't meant to be a comprehensive history Comments: you forgot to mention...

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

Every time

[@sanpepe9673]

I think Asking Alexandria deserves credit,reckless and relentless was a top 10 album on billboard

[@WTWAK]

Fuck no dude. Not even close

[@mattparkin7224]

The album that literally ripped off a riff from Attack Attac! verbatim. No thanks

[@patrickstar6247]

Such a great record🔥

[@Jay_801]

The Used has been my favourite band since i was like 11 or 12 and seeing their progression from a much more hardcore screamo into what they then called "gross pop" and then into way more mixed melodic stuff and now they're sort of going back into screamo has admittedly been a very interesting and strange journey. nonetheless, screamo will always be my favourite genre.

[@blasstois]

I completely forgot about finch so I left and rocked out to letters to you and now I’m back

[@andrewsmith5053]

Man the whole album was amazing still rock it to this day

[@toobadimnotyourmom]

How could you forget about Finch?!

[@xVDRx]

SHE BURRRNNNSSSSSSSSS

[@kiddink5167]

Joe Stois Jr best band

[@johnritter1083]

Three Simple Words is always on my playlists.

[@onyong123]

I think “what it is to burn” by Finch was the most influential scream I had heard on the radio besides Linkin Park.

[@jariemonah]

No surprise those two bands ended up being friends. Nate even guest screamed on LP's One Step Closer live back in 2014.

[@666oddity]

Nivek Ogre from Skinny Puppy was already screaming in the 80's but nobody ever mention that (I mean the screams as we know them today) .He was really ahead of his time with his vocals.

[@yungsuccog8223]

When this man brought up gatekeeping pigsqueling techniques. I almost exploded😭😭😭 I inhaled and tried to act like i didnt yall.

[@dustinwithey490]

the 2 seconds spent on Refused is a giant disservice. The album was literally called The Shape of Punk to Come close to a decade before that became a reality.

[@artminusme]

My opinion... Refused created the 2000s punk/emo/screamo/scene genre (Musically... Not visually) without realizing it... Then The Used and Taking Back Sunday made it mainstream in 2002

[@ashleybrown4754]

The Shape of Punk To Come will always be ahead of its time. Even now. Weird synth beats and violins and blast beats mixed with IMO one of the best screamers in music history. Def should have gotten more mention.

[@noneofyourbusiness1114]

It was heavily inspired by a band called the nation of ulysses for a little fun fact :)

[@BreakneckTV]

Agreed

[@KeithGraves]

This always blew my mind. I remember when Refused was the only band on Epitaph making that style of music. Then Epitaph signed on more and more screamo bands and Refused had disappeared. I always thought, “how did they know?”

[@micro-babe]

RIP Casey Calvert! Nice seeing a Senses Fail shout out. They've been my favorite band since I was a teenager.

[@sammyhain]

Bud is so good live he's so fun to watch

[@melissaladd8704]

Great analysis. I'm surprised you didnt mention Breaking Benjamin. They had an interesting brand of screaming vocals, I feel like they were pretty contemporary to Linkin Park, and they DEFINITELY were super mainstream.

[@user-nc6ie9ny2x]

Thank you so much for this episode. I love your work, the quality speaks for itself! 1999 at 12 y/o I fell in love with music and it continues to this day. Blink 182 NewFoundGlory AFI Thursday Thrice As I lay Dying Senses Fail Saosin SKSK Greeley Estates Poison the well Hawthorne Heights Haste the Day Emery Chiodos Escape The Fate A day to remember

[@ConvincingPeople]

When you brought up the first Heroin 7", I was immediately, "I did not expect to hear this mentioned, but I definitely should have, because Finn always delivers on the good shit." That super early screamo style gives me goosebumps. I love it.

[@TheReverOcelot]

Honeywell also has this “way ahead of its time” vibe

[@whatadrag6439]

Check out Angel Hair as well

[@rajon08champs]

Chesters screams were way more intense during live performances lol he was insanely talented

[@kingdrew8888]

great points. screaming is no longer limited to the metal community, but is now a device in many vocalists' arsenal, despite the genre.

[@Hi-ov5nj]

You mentioned The Used finally

[@curt15c00l]

Story Of The Year in the intro!! My St. Louis Homies. 🤘🏻🤘🏻

[@joshuaneal7552]

Page Avenue will always be by far my favorite album ever. And SOTY isn't even in my top 10 favorite bands. Their other albums are still great though.

[@mattallen2392]

Joshua Neal Same!

[@ripplux9796]

314 baby

[@anthonybrunke839]

Same here!!🤘 They are still one of my favorite bands to this day, hope they make another album soon!!

[@ThaliaLizette]

i'm glad you mentioned Sam from Architects, always been a big fan cause of his unique scream in combination with his clean voice. Awesome video, i've discovered u not long ago (i'm addicted and catching up on everything) and getting very nostalgic over a lot of bands from the myspace days :D

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

Thank you!

[@ghost_to_a_ghost]

Kurt's screaming on "scentless apprentice" is the most balls to the wall, destroy-your-vocal-chords screaming of anything that was ever mainstream. he didn't give a FUCK on that song. so raw and definitely difficult to listen to. especially from a band that had graduated to MTV.

[@osiris9130]

Screamin' Jay Hawkins, belongs to this list. Hahahaha.

[@MelomanoAdicto]

I was thinking the same thing!

[@1m2a3t4t5]

goes back to ancient times, could include anything. but the beatles are still an important piece

[@samkaplan9562]

I was literally waiting for him to say Screamin’ Jay Hawkins from the start.. i was disappointed

[@graysonjd5624]

Absolutely, the only one I’ll say is an oversight.

[@Scuba4Steve]

I said that when he asked for suggestions

[@jillybeangaming]

I'm seriously obsessed with this video right now... it makes me feel so damned happy to hear you mention bands like thursday, finch, afi, and of course the used... even deftones got their reference (super excited about the new album btw)..

[@zsam8095]

I freaking LOVEEE Thursday! They never get any love!

[@lisalegato0109]

THE TONESSSSS

[@Voicecolors]

The first known screamer of rock n' roll was called Screaming Jay Hawkins. He wrote I put a spell on you and performer in the 50's. He still one of the best singers os all time.

[@gengashaunt3322]

Much more akin to yelling in my opinion, with unintended fry or fry that couldnt help presenting itself when he yelled. Definitely extremely talented, but he and chester would have a similar sound if jay held the distortion and dragged it on, but he doesnt, because its like a garnish to the music where as chester is like a main course all on its on or a side of the main dish

[@thereturnofdarthcaedus]

corey tayloys screaming always impresses me along with chester from linkin park i also love the screams from mushroomhead

[@VenusMacabre]

The "good cop / bad cop" thing reminds me of beauty and the beast from Gothic Metal which then trickled down towards other Metal subgenres with a stronger female presence, especially Symphonic. Beauty and the Beast vocals are songs formulated around a duet between growling Death Metal vocals and a clean soprano singer, many times an operatic soprano, sometimes a mezzo instead of a soprano. Theatre of Tragedy weren't the first to do it, but they were the first band to release a whole album of beauty and the beast vocals, with their self-titled album and then solidified it in Velvet Darkness They Fear. Within Temptation did it in their earliest career (everything before Mother Earth), old Tristania was amazing at this (their first 3 albums are masterpieces, especially the second), Epica does it as well, Sins of Thy Beloved, Leaves' Eyes...Blackthorn are a relatively new all-female band that mix Symphonic, Gothic and Extreme Metal. The guitarist does death grunts and the main vocalist does operatic vocals and Black Metal style screeching.

[@MrStephen182]

The album Aegis by Theatre Of Tragedy is one of my all time favourite albums. When Finn says "good cop bad cop"he just means beauty and the beast style vocals but he has a different name for it.

[@tkdmanbb185]

@gabriel luna that reminds me of early Opeths style. Except of course instead of two vocalists it was just the legendary Mikael Akerfeldt switching from Cleans to Death Growls.

[@sammyhain]

*carach angren entered chat*

[@meganfahrenschon9322]

Kamelot did a reverse "Beauty & the Beast" in their albums Silverthorn & Haven. Tommy sung the clean vocals while Alissa White-Gluz did the screaming/growling. Highly recommend checking them out.

[@DrumThruDriveIn]

"...Like the kid who expected to get a Nintendo 64 for christmas, but didnt." Ha! 😂

[@slamdangles]

but then shows a video of a kid actually getting the n64....

[@aestheticbeatz5700]

Red Jumpsuit Aparatus STILL gets massive plays on rock stations, and they were screamo

[@MrAdrian13]

Just heard them on KROQ a few days ago

[@codygainz6981]

Depends on where you live lol but yeah

[@heresheis2063]

Linkin Park and Chester got me into metal, rock and screaming vocals

[@WC_Beer_Reviews]

I was a huge fan of Taproot in the early 2000s along with LP. Stephen Richards could go back and forth epically. And listening to Fred Durst's voicemail to them never gets old!!!!😂😂😂😂😂

[@MelomanoAdicto]

Taproot is awesome!

[@kevindie]

*_Ann Arbor, represent._*

[@oops6876]

Taproot is so underrated 🖤 Love that LP had Stephen on Reanimation

[@johnritter1083]

Man, that song Poem is still one of my all time favorites.

[@weightlessfilms5651]

Silverstein is the epitome of early 2000's screamo

[@mikeymoose7253]

Still making good music!

[@rosemorningstar5368]

Yesssss! I still love them. I remember them as the first band I heard use screaming as a main vocal.

[@brianfaucett989]

As an adult, every time I hear one step closer, I picture chester as a 13yo yelling at his mom

[@MERCYONEARTH24]

Thanks Phil for I didn't know that LP is actually the first ones to make screaming accessible.

[@milamnwalker4801]

“Choke Me” by The Used. That is all. 🖤

[@KeganTheTowel]

Damn, The Used were freaks.

[@milamnwalker4801]

Kegan Verme absolutely!! Haha did u just hear this song? Or did u already know it?

[@BirdOfHermes83]

First album was good. That is all!

[@milamnwalker4801]

BirdOfHermes83 D. Awe man. I’m terrible sorry you fell that way, dude. 😔

[@XxdogtommyxX]

Fucking love that song

[@A.J.K87]

I think Rise Against did a wonderful job of combining screaming and singing. Tim's clean vocals are harsher than some of the post hardcore bands like Silverstein, but it flow effortlessly over into screaming and back again. It's so instantly recognizable. You always instantly know you are listening to Rise Against. Something I don't have with some of these other ''good cop, bad cop'' bands.

[@jasonlovesmusicreacting882]

Great example. I'm a big fan of both bands though so I can't talk bad about either one lol. RA has the hits though.

[@kylehegedus5498]

A.J. K I love both Rise Against and Silverstein!!!! 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁

[@A.J.K87]

@@kylehegedus5498 Me too!!!!

[@A.J.K87]

@@jasonlovesmusicreacting882 It wasn't meant disparaging towards Silverstein. I LOVE Silverstein.

[@jasonlovesmusicreacting882]

@@A.J.K87 They should go on tour together when everything settles.

[@cholkymilkmirage4984]

THIS MAN IS SUCH A GOOD REPORTER HE LITERALLY IS THE LIBRARIAN

[@SkinnyEatWorld95]

Lmfao to the Sakura nod, wasn't expecting anything anime and manga related 😂

[@deadcalloway2524]

You're like an archivist with your ability to dig up mid-late 2000's KZbin cringey scene kid video clips. No one is safe!

[@dissolution]

He's the Indiana Jones of our generation. "This clip belongs in a museum!"

[@viscountrainbows6452]

Between Whang, WavyWeb and PRMBA, no Cringe shall be left unexposed to the Light.

[@RoyalGuardEziode]

I've got a few with underoath, bmth, the number 12 looks like you, and alexisonfire lol

[@georgeshears7974]

Funeral For a Friend acheived the peak accesible and melodic screams in 2003 and they've never been topped

[@riffgodinc7993]

YESSSS

[@72chevelle24]

Finally someone mentions FFAF! The most underrated band

[@Daneki]

Just a thought to you

[@janiec3792]

One of my faves, super underrated

[@LuciusGeronimo]

Facts. Casually Dressed is amazing.

[@freebobbyshmurda1326]

Been watching your videos in the waiting room for the hospital, has helped pass a lot of time, thank you

[@curtislitchfield1378]

I think you hit the nail on the head for the 90s. White Pony and Hybrid Theory helped me transition into loving the screaming.

[@marckemper4902]

I physically cringed when you reminded me of the "inhale"-discussions on myspace and on russion fileshareing blogs.

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

Russian blogspot life

[@chaosaintme9067]

@@ThePunkRockMBA Hey, Finn i was left with a doubt, who invented the whole pig squeal thing? where did JFAC took the idea from?

[@bzchoy]

Despised Icon had them. Not sure if they started it, but they were around before JFAC.

[@chaosaintme9067]

@@bzchoy Oh yeah, i forgot about them, but you right. They started than trend in deathcore. It was either them or antagony, but i don't remember if those guys were using pig squeals. The general consensus seems to be that cryptopsy invented it and then Devourment used it, and then the deathcore bands where the technique became very popular

[@marckemper4902]

@@chaosaintme9067 brokencyde invented it :D

[@bassequation3304]

I love this channel. It is very difficult to find this type of content on KZbin. Thank you for making great content! Greetings from South-Africa.

[@mikec5400]

i never thought of Underoath as "mall screamo". You could understand everything Spencer was screaming

[@Michael-zp9kl]

I grew up in the Virginia hardcore scene. PG99, Majority Rule and all those guys were legends. Happy to see them mentioned here.

[@ashleybrown4754]

The Shape of Punk to Come needs to have an entire video dedicated to it. Over 20 years later and it still seems beyond anything else. Whether you like Refused or not.

[@Devintaylor2099]

Finally someone made an actual video discussing the evolution of screaming

[@blakesinatra1626]

I knew Finn wouldnt let us down and force me to become a youtuber 😆

[@austin29803]

I made one like 10yrs ago

[@chadramey4087]

its always been hard for me to explain the difference between 1st and 2nd wave metal core but you summed it up great with 1st wave cleans being more related to dio and the 2nd wave going more with mall screaming. im stealing this explanation lol

[@mikemckay4256]

Finally someone mentioned Finch!!! Such an underrated band and such obvious standout in that scene!

[@dreamrealitysyndrome]

Mentioning Chester's screaming in Linkin Park reminded me how much of an impact their sound had on my taste in music! In 8th grade I discovered (Alt/nü-)metal and fell in love with LP. For many years I disliked "sloppy/trashy" vocals because Chester's was "clean" and "proper". Also the guitar distortion on Hybrid Theory became my "Holy Grail" sound. There's a wall-of-sound and definition to the guitars. Forever searching for perfect distortion. Could you do a video about guitar sounds (distortion) in metal albums? For example, SOAD's Toxicity and Steal This album were fantastic! But then Mesmerize came out and the distortion turned me off. It sounded weak, lack of a wall behind it

[@Carl_KFBF]

I’m surprised A Day To Remember weren’t shown or mentioned during the easycore introduction.

[@evangalinsky2499]

Kinda same but he used Chunk! No, Captain Chunk! which to be fair is more cut and dry than ATDR when fitting into that genre, pretty drastic difference, especially when you factor in ADTR does have some screaming only songs.

[@Carl_KFBF]

Evan Galinsky yeah that’s fair

[@SpicyDisco]

"You just needed to understand how they felt" Ive never heard scremo described so perfect. Alexisonfire is my fav band that mixes it with soft vocals

[@69SalterStreet]

Usually when I watch videos about music, I have no frame of reference for most of the bands. But apparently screaming is the through line of my music taste because I listen to so many of the artista you’re talking about. Lol.