The Evolving Science of Why Women Cheat

[@SimoneandMalcolm]

For those who think that popular female romance novels (the ones that people actually choose to buy) have muscular men on them like they do in children's cartoons I would suggest you google image "top female romance books" or "top female romance books of 2024". This is actually not very common in the actual best sellers. As to why women seem so actively turned off by muscles despite being conceptually aroused by them I would assume this has to do with women associating them with being lower class - and given that class is the thing the really care about above all else - they ignore any pre-programmed biological attraction to them.

[@PatrickBohanWriter]

I’d encourage you to look into dual mating hypothesis evidence, and the political factors influencing the update to mate switching. Note that most romance novels feature TWO male love interests (one dark triad, one a better provider) which is also evidence. As for muscles, obviously protagonists aren’t bodybuilders, but “big broad shoulders” and “abs” are almost always mentioned. Even mainstream YA novels mention this (Twilight, City of bone, etc)

[@MidlifeCrisisJoe]

@@PatrickBohanWriter Yeah, I would hypothesize that the two most common descriptors of male physicality in the romance novel world are: "washboard abs" and "bulging biceps" and in that order. The third would be "broad shoulders" and all of these men are presumed to be tall (unless very specifically it's a romance novel about a particularly short man, which would basically be a fetish I presume). The question is: are all of these descriptors really specific things women want in a man's physicality? Or are all of these descriptors effectively shorthand for "guy's in good shape and not unhealthy?" Because the specific traits choice indicates something very different than the generic shorthand for good health choice. Malcolm's argument leans more toward the latter than the former.

[@PatrickBohanWriter]

@@MidlifeCrisisJoe fair, but just zoom out and think about it. Being physically fit with muscles is just one component of good genes. Probably less than 10% of attraction depends on muscle. Genitalia, cheekbones, jaw, height, hair density, etc are more important per the female gaze. And they’re all described, too. While physical traits are critical in these novels, they’re even more so in the real world. More interesting, one male protagonist is usually fitter and more dark triad than the other, implying a polyandrous mating strategy. Plenty of romance novels feature a fit bodyguard competing with a higher status but less fit prince etc. so yes, women want these physical traits, as well as more dominant behavior. I’m every vampire novel, a girl is whisked away by a handsome alpha vampire from her more “beta” prover suitor. Same for pirates, mob bosses, angels, demons, etc. standard trope. But obviously a novel will spend more time on behavior than physical traits because it’s a novel. In real life, physical traits are even more critical

[@MidlifeCrisisJoe]

@@PatrickBohanWriter I don't know how more or less critical physical traits are versus choices and actions in reality versus novels. I mean, everyone knows (or knew) girls in high school or young adulthood who were dating or sleeping with the scumbag drug dealers. Obviously a large part of such attraction was about the choices they were making that pegged them as "dangerous" and "anti-confomist" and "anti-authority" (read: independently minded) as well as "ambitious" (read: potential for higher earnings than less ambitious, safer men). Scumbag abusers and criminals of all stripes consistently find themselves with women around, and so many of these guys are genuinely unattractive in most physical and material ways that it's all about attitude and personality for the women in their life. I actually think the focus on actions over physical traits really has to do with the format - its a narrative, so actions move the plot forward and demonstrate character, so you want to use actions to accomplish those things even as they're making the male fantasy for the female reader more attractive. It probably also has to do with the author's understanding that most readership have limited vocabularies when it comes to specific physical descriptors. For example, if a male character was described as having "massive traps" a gym bro knows that actually means "broad shoulders" but with more musculature, but your average housewife would not know that. So most of the literal language that is used to describe physical fitness is kind of behind a linguistic wall of anatomical language that only people very into physical fitness even know regularly in the first place. There's always going to be some an accessibility issue when it comes to word choice, as you don't want the woman you're exciting with your romance novel to have to stop what she's doing and reach for a thesaurus. That's kind of why I think romance novels probably are usually describing men, when it comes to physicality beyond their face anyway (because I think women REALLY care a lot more about a man's face than any other aspect of his body), in a lot of shorthand. Like "abs" and "broad shoulders" are just signals for "not fat" and "generically masculine" that also have enough vagary that any woman can kind of fill in most of her specific preferences in her own imagination.

[@corro3]

i would add that allot of women who read books with muscular men on the cover don't like the cover, and that allot of romance books today are self published so there is some understanding that the author is using a cheap/free cover

[@YellowJack1020]

My personal meta-analysis from keeping up with this research over time concludes that the answer tends to be 'because they felt like it'

[@Adelina-293]

He made me feel special is also popular. I was bored also shows up a lot.

[@FourOf92000]

why did they feel like it, is the question under discussion

[@TheMorning_Son]

​@@FourOf92000 cause vibes

[@uncrunch398]

@@Adelina-293 The stress on and expectations of a faithful provider and protector are insane. They are the keystones of civilization. Some dude comes along who makes her feel special, is a common major contributor to a civ's downfall or prevention to it becoming solid in the first place.

[@businessproyects2615]

Feels are not random so because feel like it is not an explanation

[@wisdomandy9361]

If we want accurate data on women's sexuality and arousal, we have to separate people within the research that're on hormonal birth control or any other potentially nullifying drug.

[@Winterascent]

You also can NOT rely on self reported data.

[@wisdomandy9361]

​@@Winterascent Unfortunately anything related to sex and especially natural environment arousal is extremely hard to research in reasonable ways. But yeah ofc.

[@Laraisthebomb1212]

Yeah as a woman who’s been an adult both on and off the rat poison we call birth control, my sexuality changed vastly. Not the way the red pill describes though, I didn’t go from soy to chad, I went from sort of numb girl boss celibate to a fairly traditional, very stable relationship with a guy who could’ve been from regency if he wasn’t so stoic. I have also gained a profound desire for children and an intense maternal instinct, which BC turned off like a switch for a time. I would be very interested to see if this is the experience of other women and to see it studied because I wonder if some of the broader cultural stuff we see with girl boss feminism and the 35+ single HR departments are a product of the pharmaceutical neutering teenage girls into adulthood at industrialised scale.

[@katarn848]

We should study animals near use and work out what we can tell about gene's and sizes of glands , blood levels and the likes. Look at how housecats do it, compared with wildcats. The later are like sexual dossal.

[@eddiesmith7867]

​@@Laraisthebomb1212 this actually lines up with what other redpill/blackpill channels I've heard. Women on BC basically throw out their traditional roles/habits as well as change their gaze from masculine men to feminine/pretty boys

[@d3a06]

“I read a lot of romance novels and they don’t describe muscles” >Front cover of every romance novel is some absolutely shredded dude

[@Adelina-293]

Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?

[@Laraisthebomb1212]

Muscles = powerful to the mass market appeal of those novels, but you go to a bookish private university or amongst the old money crowds and being ‘shredded’ is seen as gauche, and an indicator of lower class and intellect, therefore less power, therefore those women are almost repulsed by the jacked and the shredded. Some women like muscled men - actually plenty - but it’s not the muscles they like, but what they signal. Same as why men like waist to hip ratios because they signal youth and health.

[@CollinsMalcolm]

Which recently poplar novel does this describe. You are describe the stereotype of these books not them

[@grahamstewart2968]

She's a smart woman. She's just signaling to her partner.

[@MidlifeCrisisJoe]

The novels usually don't do that though once you're actually, you know, reading the words contained therein. That's the cover artist's choice.

[@myt110]

I think the thumbnail of the video is right, women cheat because of Chris Williamson

[@mitchpeter5718]

Malcolm might have been a pimp in some other life!’

[@jamesconnolly5164]

Have you heard that in France paternity tests are illegal? Any country where it's even possible to have that on the table for consideration is one where the women have to be overwhelmingly gynocentric and lack any kind of empathy or consideration of fairness for the opposite sex.

[@maidende8280]

@@jamesconnolly5164 Germany too I believe

[@jsbrads1]

The men are largely okay with it too, because they know they have been cheating too.

[@jamesconnolly5164]

@@maidende8280 That's sad.

[@maidende8280]

@@jamesconnolly5164 Tragic

[@Planeet-Long]

​@@maidende8280 Not yet, but they are trying to adopt it and it has been under discussion for over a decade. Knowing Germany, whenever something horrible becomes law there the German bad thing-industrial complex tries to push it through EU legislation.

[@Dr3Mc3Ninja]

Me on 2x speed. Malcolm: In black vultures. Me: Hearing "In black cultures."

[@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115]

As a vulture myself I feel utterly offended.

[@N.0rmus]

How in the hell are you understanding what Malcolm says in 2x speed?

[@chomnansaedan4788]

Welcome to ULTRA based camp. Only on 2x speed.

[@EriPages]

@@N.0rmus You're clearly not part of the inner network.

[@draguigirl8388]

I thought I heard the same! 😆

[@Never-ending_]

49:00 Malcom is the reincarnation of "I ain't gay but 10 million dollars is 10 million dollars "

[@OrwellsHousecat]

I reckon you can haggle down to a nickel

[@Star-hg1kt]

😂😂😂

[@Dr3Mc3Ninja]

Multiple baby daddies is probably the absolutely worst path you could take for genetic strength. If a man reaches adulthood, and has a strong, healthy body, that is already a sign his genes are good. Multiple baby daddies increases the likelihood of incest. Where I live, there is a lot of accidental incest because people do not know who their father is. Nurses were asking parents if they were related if their baby had any significant birthmarks. A man won't want to raise a kid that isn't his, so if he is sleeping around, he would have to provide for multiple women alongside his children. Keeping track of that and ensuring another man's kids isn't partaking in the resources would be a nightmare. Chimps sleeping around makes sense since they have to conceal the identity of who the father is, or risk their baby being mauled to death by the dominant male. My belief: There is never an excuse to cheat. Just break up.

[@Winterascent]

Most biologists would conclude the exact opposite. Multiple fathers for a females one eggs diversifies the genetic strength of the offspring. Culturally diversity may ruffle feathers, but genetic diversity is part of why people find exotic to be attractive. You want to bring in new genes.

[@Dr3Mc3Ninja]

​@Winterascent I agree with that, but if you breed with everyone in your local area, then genetic diversity is not going to happen. It would also mean that poor genetics would be sprinkled everywhere instead of contained in one family where it could die off. It isn't the task of a single person to achieve genetic diversity, your monogamy means your children have people in their local area that they can grow up with, and have children with without the risk of incest.

[@MA-gu2up]

​@Winterascent Is there evidence that genetic diversity trumps investment from the father? I don't think so You look at the woman who is known to have the most amount of kids, and she is married, women who have more than 5 kids are almost always women who have one husband for a long time and their whole life probably, they don't tend to be the ones who sleep around And if you look at cultures, the more sleeping around is stigmatized, the higher the fertility.

[@MidlifeCrisisJoe]

Yup, baby daddy strategy is inherently dysgenic. Very bad for the gene pool in a population and it makes it worse as time goes on.

[@Prolute]

We live in an age where incest isn't really a problem anymore.

[@porchtime504]

Everyone realizes Malcom’s a sociopath right?

[@maidende8280]

@@porchtime504 Only the best kind.

[@MidlifeCrisisJoe]

At least 15% Sociopath or Autistic. He obviously has a difficult time understanding emotional cues and can be a bit aggressive in verbalizing things that people with better social awareness don't need to verbalize. I mostly think it's interesting because Simone is also to some degree autistic but in a passive way and it's wild to see two extremely complementary personalities actually come together.

[@blackwater7183]

@@MidlifeCrisisJoe Kinda awkward to watch sometimes, it's like he always wants something to go his way. If I didn't think he was on the spectrum I would believe he was just full of himself because it seems like he is talking down to his wife and even his audience. Example is 11:01. I think he wasn't talking down but it was just his delivery.

[@James-z2c7g]

But he just convinced me that a skinny, feminine, nerdy homosexual is what a hypermasculine lady's man with off-the-charts testosterone actually looks like. That must be why professional athletes can't get hot women. It all makes sense now.

[@MonkeyLiggaScrumptiousNan]

@@blackwater7183yeah I mean nobody can say for sure but I don’t think he’s talking down either, he just gives off the vibe that he has virtually 0 ability to understand how his words/actions can make another person feel. I remember another video I watched a bit ago he mentioned, just how badly void of emotion his parents were so I think it’s a no brainer where he got it from and that it’s not likely deliberate.

[@aleidius192]

I remember overhearing a lot of women talking to each other about how beautiful Chris Hemsworth was. I have never overheard women thirsting about a skinny dude IRL. But I HAVE seen lots of women lusting after twinky dudes ONLINE. I'll also mention that all the IRL women I've overheard were Gen X or older, whereas online women will be disproportionately Millennial or Zoomer. I think there might be a generational difference between what women find attractive.

[@uncircumcisedcircus]

I remember moms and their daughters lusting after Justin Bieber, even throwing panties at him on stage.

[@benababas]

Or just a difference in sexual experience. Younger generations will think that the societal expectation would be for them to date a bulky dude, but maybe their tastes change as they mature.

[@maidende8280]

@@aleidius192 Chris has a beautiful face, but that doesn’t mean that they think when he’s super buff that that’s ideal. Look at actors like Timothée Chalamet. He’s wildly popular with the ladies. Also notice the similarity between his facial structure and Malcolm’s. Definitely high T.

[@Planeet-Long]

Attraction (both in males and females, but this is very understudied in males) tends to be socially influenced, pre-selection has a very strong effect on if a man gets selected again and women will often parrot other women's choices in men. A lot of women who wouldn't normally care about height will suddenly say "I only want a man taller than 6 foot", while in the Netherlands this is 195 cm (6'5).

[@QuinquetPourpre]

factor for age

[@EvilFandango]

If i was in high school and dating a woman and I found out she lost her V card to some guy friend so she would know what she is doing, I would lose all long term interest in her and only see her as a good time.

[@dorino9057]

Why you just insecure?

[@timesthree5757]

​@@dorino9057no it's actually a biological need of Human males for long term relationship. Why a woman without any sexual experience when they finally have sex will have the strongest pair bond.

[@Goddess_Freyjaaa]

@@timesthree5757source? That’s bunk

[@SomeCanine]

Women date men for two reasons and two reasons only: 1) Excitement 2) Stability (Money) If a woman is cheating on her man, it's usually because the new man brings excitement to her otherwise stable but boring relationship.

[@uncircumcisedcircus]

Bingo, This is exactly why men should not get married. If you are a good provider, she will still view you as boring.

[@timesthree5757]

Stability doesn't just mean money. A lot of the females in the countryside see stability in terms of usefulness with his hands.

[@SomeCanine]

@@timesthree5757 Women trade resources for affection. Women always date up and men always date down. It's a fact of life.

[@timesthree5757]

@@SomeCanine I don't disagree. What I am saying is that most women in the countryside view blue collar work or men that work with their hands as a higher Statues. A man that can plant a good garden or maintain a vehicle, or build structures, hunt, repair a home. You will hear women out here say, "it's better to Marry a mechanic than marry rich." The problem with a lot of men is that these women will not marry a city, "Rich pansies boys that cry when they break a nail." They still trade affection for resources though they view resources differently.

[@SomeCanine]

@@timesthree5757 It's a different kind of resource but they use men for resources all the same. Women who grow up in the city have no use for men who are good with their hands because there are all these regulations against fixing things yourself. Women who grow up in the country don't value money as much as city girls because it's harder to pay money to fix or buy things out there.

[@muhcharona]

Aella is nightmare level body count ick factor.

[@MidlifeCrisisJoe]

100% She's open minded, but so much so that her brains fell out a lot of the time.

[@hyperTorless]

She's also not really pretty. She's in fact perfectly in the beauty range of highly promiscuous women (what others what call "very mid").

[@Gareth_Mayers]

Malcolm your very different from me. But for me, my wife will always be attractive to me. The reason why is that when i look at her i see my hand on her body. Eg the stretch marks on her where caused by me using her body to carry our kids. The youth she has lost was spent serving our family. In this way when you look at her you see way more than just her rinkles, and as her body changes you still see her as the beautifully woman you first met. But again thats me

[@kipkipper-lg9vl]

these are supposed to be private thoughts, who the fuck types this publicly

[@Gareth_Mayers]

@@kipkipper-lg9vl I do apparently lol.

[@kipkipper-lg9vl]

@@Gareth_Mayers the internet really cooked people's lobes

[@aleidius192]

These are extremely admirable sentiments.

[@Gareth_Mayers]

@@aleidius192 thank you, I believe this a fundamental difference between why women should get married vs sleeping around. As men who sleep with you casually don't have that sheared history to view you through. All they have is you that's in front of them now. So they judge you more on just your physicals.

[@Eric-ue6fm]

Once the sex media industry became fully legal in the 70s the most profitable form was an eight minute sex loop that ran in a peep show. Peep shows where men masturbated in booths made much more money than actual x-rated films like DEEP THROAT. During the same decade the bodice ripper became a publishing phenomenon, by the end of the 70s "historical romance" outsold all other paperback fiction genres combined. I've always loved the contrast, for men the commercial distillation of sexual fantasy was an 8 minute film of hardcore sex while, for women, it was a 450 page novel focused on courtship power dynamics.

[@tuckerbugeater]

they made choices

[@MidlifeCrisisJoe]

I wonder how locality affected these differences then? Like, I remember from movies of that era, like in Taxi Driver Deniro takes the girl he likes to a "skin flick" in New York on a bad date . . . but there wouldn't be such theaters in most towns and smaller cities presumably, right? So male oriented pornographic films would have to be an almost exclusively urban phenomenon. But racy historical romance novel "bodice rippers" could be sold anywhere . . . including the small town book store with a largely rural and conservative clientele. So the explosion in pornographic commercial art had to be wildly divided by levels of urbanization I presume?

[@Eric-ue6fm]

@@MidlifeCrisisJoe While small towns did not have adult bookstores with loops showing for quarters, all midsized cities did. So there were a dozen adult bookstores in Toledo,OH but none in the small town with 3,000 population. Bodice ripper romances and adult magazines like Hustler were for sale in even small town drugstores.

[@LoneWulf278]

@@Eric-ue6fm Interesting.

[@colvara]

I find it very interesting that for Malcolm there are only too options for men: either don't work out at all or become a bodybuilder.

[@MidlifeCrisisJoe]

Good video. One big instinctual factor not mentioned here is Paternal Insecurity and how it interplays in both men and women. Malcolm kind of covered this with the bit on Infanticide and some of the talk about , but for men tons of sexual behavior comes down to trying to erase the insecurity they have due to not carrying the children themselves. Because all men are biologically rewarded for behaviors that decrease Paternal insecurity - this includes infanticide of other men's children, promoting social mores of virginity until marriage so exclusive sexual partners will have a guarantee that their children are the man's, and of course maximizing sex with as many women as possible to ensure the spread of one's genes. The arousal "bonus" (I guess we can call it) for seducing a married woman also plays into this because if another man's wife will carry your child without you having to invest resources because you're cuckolding the man, that's even less resource restriction on yourself and thus you're HIGHLY incentivized genetically toward this behavior in particular. Because there's 0 Maternal Insecurity (because a woman giving birth to a child KNOWS it's her kid), one way of looking at female cheating then, is as a negative relief image of what happens in men who behave in specific ways due to their Paternal Insecurity. Essentially, female behaviors all have roots in the fact that they do not have to worry about the passing on of their genes when it comes to sex partners. This leads to the issue brought up about how the desire to cheat/break-up arises due to not having kids in a relationship because of modern birth control and social mores in the urban monoculture (the 2-year or 7-year itch) because it's signaling infertility to the woman to having the strongest likelihood of being the most true factor, in my view. Because infertility risk is probably the one risk factor that a woman cannot account for during any kind of courtship ritual, and it's not related to genetic insecurity at all. Generally speaking though, due to the lack of Maternal Insecurity, the bigger question is really why there's any drive in women toward monogamy at ALL? Because all women know the kids they're having are theirs, every factor that drives women toward monogamy seems to be centered in social factors and reactions to male behaviors that try to remove paternal insecurity. I suppose this all goes back to "why don't we have the Bonobo society from Sex at Dawn and instead seem to have a mostly (you said the infidelity rate was around 16%) monogamous Ape society"? Because I find the notion that it's ALL socialization and social engineering that makes most women monogamous most of the time not very compelling. That implies the feminist argument of the secret patriarchy, and not only do I not see that in my reality as an individual in modernity, I think a historical review shows that the domain most women have had the most power in throughout history has been in the bedroom, and that women have essentially always (and generally always will) control the sexual marketplace, with the big exception being primarily in war and men capturing women from other tribes (after slaying all the rival men), but that's essentially a "foreign" sexual marketplace and women always control their domestic sexual marketplace throughout history. Which, I guess is to say, I think the ideas proffered here are interesting, but there's still something major missing on this subject. So good discussion, and I hope you continue to cover the topic in the future.

[@yveje9720]

I agree these questions aren’t that complicated to answer. Why would women be monogamous that is a much better question. Because there actually is no reason for women not to cheat it’s her baby either way, not cheating massively benefits her man and doesn’t really benefit her at all especially of she can have sex with a more attractive man. Hence most female mammals are promiscuous. But monogamy could mainly function to raise offspring maybe women are monogamous because it helps them secure a mate to help raise offspring. Monogamy doesn’t have to be absolutely sexually faithful to work either. In many species monogamous pairings form there is some “cheating” but the pair raises the offspring. Sometimes the male is helping raise offspring that isn’t his but it’s not a big deal because he probably has his own in another nest as well. In the end it just works out to be collectively raising offspring and alloparenting is common in humans.

[@hpcraft3362]

It’s very difficult to get anyone to speak honestly about this stuff, much respect

[@Adelina-293]

I was bored/he made feel special seem to be popular reasons. Apparently, affording life being a level 20 challenge now isn't "adventurous" enough, they want the drama.

[@mlts9984]

I wonder how much of a correlation there is between the imprinting of the first partner experience and the affinity for more physically aggressive behaviors. The men who practice such activities are more likely to do so with many women, and younger more impressionable ones. People tend to explore around the experience that happens to them, although it’s become pretty taboo to say that these are learned behaviors, there is a lot of evidence supporting it.

[@DavidTitus_]

There is a bit of a paradox in that 'men have a genetic advantage in letting someone raise their child (without them having to use resources on it)', because a non genetic father, or no father at all, also reduces it's quality or survival rate.

[@jsbrads1]

It isn’t a paradox. If a guy can impregnate two women that won’t return to him for child care, then even if the child survive at 50% it is still a “win” for him genetically.

[@DavidTitus_]

@@jsbrads1 Right, but do gene's just care about survival? I mean technically if that was so (and assuming there is no such thing as a higher consciousness), men could just lock up women and make as many kids as possible, that would be a big win genetically also.

[@jsbrads1]

@@DavidTitus_ not really. Not if the men prefer to bring home food and feed their family rather than caring for little children all day. Consensual child creation is far more successful, you get her labor, she even gathers nearby plants to supplement your diet. And all you have to do is hunt and repair the hut, she even helps create your clothing, bedding, cleaning…

[@yveje9720]

@@jsbrads150% is way too high. Before vaccines and clean water 50% of all infants died before age 5. Human infants are just too fragile it’s always been a group effort to have one’s kid survive to be old enough to have kids of their own.

[@georgekaziyev5423]

The stuff you guys talk about, is the equivalent of a telenovela for nerds

[@patrickpilkington6241]

Simone's genes are elite. It's literally on display x2. Simone. Please do not underrate yourself trying to figure out what a beautiful woman looks like. You're seriously 3-5x better looking, prettier, more beautiful objectively. I'm not simping. I promise. Just speaking truth

[@patrickpilkington6241]

Simone is waaaay prettier. Fact

[@JoeL91939]

57:38 most of the time the brain is locked to what the person looked like when they first met. This is why monogamy is so important for women. A husband’s brain may still see the 20yo version, but the new guy for a divorced woman will see the current age…

[@colegreenleaf9791]

Because society promoted degeneracy

[@Celadrin]

A fun way to think of genes not caring about you as an indiidual is that what you are in evolutionary terms is not a brain with balls, but balls with a brain.

[@baraka99]

Binge-watching your videos-what a find! Killer talks, great synergy, and love the bold, controversial takes! ❤

[@albertito77]

30:33 RE sex slaves: it is more plausible than you think that a given Viking/Hun/Moor/Mongol could fall in love with a particular girl and declare her to be his alone. It's worth looking into.

[@stellastarbrightk7563]

Only time I considered cheating was when my husband cheated on me

[@lukang72]

People cheat, but swans, mice, beavers, coyotes, penguins and swans don't cheat

[@marcuscole1994]

Humans are not monogamous lol

[@offshoretomorrow3346]

How about swans?

[@katarn848]

@@offshoretomorrow3346 They sometimes leave there partner, and it will result in her death if she has a nest with eggs I think. Starves to death sitting on the eggs. Male house sparrow are really bad seen it happen multiple times that female house sparrow died during spring.

[@MidlifeCrisisJoe]

@@marcuscole1994 From the data presented here 80% of humans are monogamous. But like with crime, where small minorities of populations have huge impacts, that 20% that isn't monogamous is likely doing a LOT of non-monogamy.

[@MonkeyLiggaScrumptiousNan]

@@MidlifeCrisisJoe dude that percentage would have to be leaps and bounds higher than just 20%, almost nobody is going to admit to betraying their partner without being exposed by someone first. Cheating statistics aswell from literally just peoples own anonymous admissions is very, very high for women in basically every western/first world country so there’s no chance it’s just a small minority at this point, they just aren’t willing open about it because it only harms them to do so.

[@TheYgds]

Something I think you're missing with regards to male intersexual versus intrasexual signaling is that women appear to change their preferences according to prevailing fashion. The 2010s onward has done a fabulous job of selling the brooding lanky type. It is fashionable to be attracted to that these days. It was not so in the middle of the last century, except for some notable exceptions. Arnold Schwarzenegger was marketable to both men and women for a reason, the same with a whole host of bodybuilders from the 1940s to the 1990s. I've seen this in my own life, though anecdotal, that older woman like muscular men with defined chins, and younger women prefer men that look like Malcolm. Other factors are more important, for sure, mostly to do with hierarchy status. I think your analysis could do with some attention to how women's tastes in physical attributes change over time. Male preferences, by contrast, are very stable across time, because what defines a reproductively fertile female is stable across time, but what is reproductively successful in males varies quite a lot more. Men have to compete across a broad range of potential status signals, and hope that they have the genetic characteristics that will make them a reproductively viable option to the current fashion trends of the prevailing female zeitgeist.

[@williamclayton9566]

The reason that women change their preference according to fashion, is the sexy sons hypothesis. It's why women seem to have a hive mind.

[@maidende8280]

@@TheYgds No, women do not find Arnold Schwarzenegger attractive.

[@TheYgds]

@@maidende8280 That's my point. Women "do" not find him attractive, but decades ago, they "did".

[@maidende8280]

@@TheYgds No never. Not en masse.

[@yveje9720]

Really? I would think what women find attractive is more stable and less varied and men are the one’s who find a variety if women attractive. Maybe they aren’t as influenced by trends but they can find a broader range of women attractive.

[@therealreport2778]

You two are really not that well experienced. Girls do really like muscles. Your women only said that because you don’t have muscles. And FYI, romance novels do not give you a good understanding of what women like. It is really interesting you two talk about good genes, do you think you have good genes? And the way you talk about you past "girls" you have dated sounds like you are fronting something that really was not like you tried to depict it.

[@notiashvili]

Tell me you're new to this channel without telling me you're new.

[@therealreport2778]

@@notiashvili Tell me your an incel without telling me your an incel why don’t you.

[@poopoopeepee4233]

Not really most women prefer tall guys with skinny to medium builds. Body builders are gross to most women

[@maidende8280]

@@therealreport2778 No he’s 100% right. I am a woman I would know.

[@therealreport2778]

@@maidende8280 Woman I know love my muscles and broad shoulders etc. Women don’t like Mr.Olympia type, but love a real masculine and good-looking muscular guy.

[@gigamaxextra]

I am still shocked that people refer to women as a contiguous block. The idea that maidens and older ladies Have the same preferences is wild to anyone who has interacted with both. There's only about 4% of the male population who experienced true desire so it's a hard thing for anyone who would be nerdy enough to study it to actually get firsthand information on.

[@TheSmark666]

It's unfortunate these two are the self-proclaimed leaders of the New Breeder movement.

[@vladtheimpalerofyourmom-ag5112]

I grew up Mormon and was impressed you understand modern Mormon polygamy. Outstanding.

[@SA-vz7qi]

Simone is wrong that Aella is more attractive than her.

[@DavidTitus_]

Holy sh you guys have so many high quality video's, utterly wild, feels like a high quality free college course, amazing. Also one of the few intellectuals that isn't afraid to be offensive/constant virtue signaling/extreme walking on egg shells, nice man!

[@bmardiney]

My wife and I have shown 50 Shades to everyone we know. Including my step mother and little sister. It is one of the best comedies we’ve ever seen.

[@vladtheimpalerofyourmom-ag5112]

Honestly looking at this couple in particular it’s odd to have a guy like this who is somewhat not the most masculine with such a physically beautiful woman. It does ask the question when such a man does a deep dive into why women cheat if the question crosses his mind if he is in danger or if there are circumstances that make him more secure in his relationship…either way I am excited to watch this video see where it leads and speculate as to how much they insert themselves into it or how detached and seperate to it they remain. Sure to enjoy this one.

[@opodobed]

That guy in the interview, I imagine it's like Malcom thinks he looks 😅

[@waynekenney9311]

15:25 when Malcom talks about his prior cheating Simone has some very interesting facial expressions....

[@jjmartin6422]

53:47 you're describing something very close to the dating expectations in Mormon culture: - at 16 youth can go on dates, but it's understood that it's fun dates, not serious, romantic, or sexual. The guys and girls pair up, but dates are only in groups so there's no 1-on-1 alone time, and dating different people is encouraged. Some parents even set rules that you can't go on more than 2 dates in a row with the same person. - After 18, the 1-on-1 romantic and serious dating is condoned, even if the sex still isn't.

[@red-stapler574]

The biggest reason I have seen for women cheating on men seems to be about sexual desire. They want more adventurous sex or their partner just doesn't do it for them anymore. It is like an addict chasing the dragon.

[@JezebelIsHongry]

And they are not attracted to fit men who hold them and they feel protected nope they really get wet for glasses pushing up on nose flamboyantly gay looking men

[@katarn848]

Think a lot is also (temp) status. Like getting to get in Hotels, Bars , Clubs. Average live is quite boring on week by week basic.

[@paulbienvenu5494]

sometimes also just to create drama and jealousy

[@williamclayton9566]

Yes, but WHY? HOW does that desire come about? HOW does it increase the number of her descendents?

[@jsbrads1]

That sounds like a serially promiscuous women prior to marriage.

[@orangecat999]

When hetero men's short term sexuality is stated in its full terms, which is to say that it both depends on (evolutionarily) and misappropriates (i.e., in today's world) the parental investment of other men, often unknowingly---it's clear that the sexual double standard is indefensible. Thus, as a cultural norm, we should not be giving status to promiscuous men or women. And in my observation, men are the only people in a group who give or take status that will be respected by both sexes.

[@leoantonio]

Self-centered-ness.

[@katarn848]

Tate face is that of a Moroccan ( and body). It's a genetic cluster and he's probably Bi. Seeing enough of his geno type to say that seeing how long I have lived in the EU.

[@MidlifeCrisisJoe]

Yeah Tate strikes me as a guy who's naturally very unmasculine who has built up this vast image of himself in others to make up for that deficiency. Essentially, his entire persona is his frame game to get women.

[@maidende8280]

@@katarn848 he’s a revolting coper

[@BlitzvogelMobius]

“Why Women Have Sex” did a pretty good job on this topic.

[@destruction1928]

the guy with glasses and weakling is a better genetically partner, okay dude.

[@buglepong]

malcolm is a gigachad who has slept with over 100 women and now has 5 kids

[@skamgodt964]

-Compared to- what his partners had before laying up with him. It's all relative. Also, intelligence and high education levels indicates a genetic upgrade for a woman. So he's not wrong. There is a reason many women flock to "nerds" when it's time for marriage and kids.

[@JezebelIsHongry]

I JUST WENT OFF IN CHAT and am so loving you. at least i know there are not sub 90s down here im sorry he needs to understand how the algo works and he seems to forget a fucking Romance Novel model was famous for one thing looking like He Man it’s pathetic that he looks in the mirror or watches his content and sees this gay man mannerisms vibe and is lost in so much cognitive dissonance that he is trying to convince the public women prefer someone like him on a wet pussy level instead of a man they would feel safe with in a dark alley

[@JezebelIsHongry]

@@buglepongi hope this is comedy i’d need a fucking video of each encounter and drivers licenses and social security numbers to believe all that wasn’t bullshit spewed to make him feel better and “manly” the men who had such a past never had to try to meet women, it’s just their reality and nothing to feel unique or brag about they don’t know what it is like to have to try to meet women or fear rejection it was as easy as breathing no big deal

[@MidlifeCrisisJoe]

Well they've done a lot of studies on this actually. Glasses? You're probably right. That's less attractive. But women choose when given a lot of choices in male body types extremely consistently on the leaner side of things. Not too skinny, like nerd and weakling skinny. But something like "lead singer in a band" skinny, where the guy has a little bit of muscle from playing guitar, but obviously isn't a major athlete in any way. When it comes to fit dudes, the running back is usually doing better than the quarter back who's definitely doing better than the lineman is usally how it breaks out when it comes to women. Because BIG dudes scare a lot of women, and even with women who like athletic dudes, they like them on the leaner side rather than the bulkier side.

[@jeremyrichard2722]

Well some of the info here is good and some is bad. I'm one of those dudes who has read more romance novels than I feel comfortable admitting to, this is due to doing a lot of double and even triple shifts as security, and trading reading material with female co-workers I knew to stay (mostly) sane. When I worked in casino security, I will also tell you that it involved a good deal of vice, despite it being illegal where I was, and I did security for several conventions and awards ceremonies for the adult entertainment industry. This was a long time ago, late 90s, early 2000s. Also, before that I worked for Waldenbooks. One of the first things you need to understand here is that the big customers for ANYTHING sexual are actually women. The stereotype that it's all guys, and loser guys at that, comes from societal trends to protect women from societal judgement for this stuff. Thus things are heavily loaded one way. What's more, while there is a stereotype about guys pretending to be girls online, there is just as big a reality about women assuming male or androgynous identities to do things like consume porn, or order things that might be seen as shameful to some. Also remember, most financial information is in the name of men, if there is an account for a family, it's typically in the name of the father or husband. There are also cases of mothers or sisters using the identities of their sons/brothers to do stuff online, to avoid backlash. The thing is, women have just traditionally been protected from such criticism. All the way back to when I worked at waldenbooks, some of the biggest sections were all romance, and things like erotic thrillers, they dwarfed things like regular adventure fiction and stuff nerds like me were into like sci-fi and fantasy. It's just the girl sections were kind of invisible to guys... and of course they produced this stuff by the truckload because it sold, and yeah... it's pretty much just porn. Likewise, while the stereotype for adult movies is that it's some loser guy who would say show up on a trenchcoat to buy the tapes or whatever, the reality is the big porn consumers have always been women, they just tend to not buy the stuff face to face, which is why so much of the business used to be conducted through magazines and things like that. You can also just look at cinema in general, there was a big push at one point to get women into the movies, all those tacked on romance sub plots were for the women. That's why there were stereotypes about say some kid in the 60s going out to the movies and asking "is there going to be kissing in it..." and say their mom or sister covering their eyes because they think it's the grossest thing in the world. The point there was that this is what brought the women out, they wanted to see the women glammed up, and get with the leading men. This is not to say guys have no interest in this stuff, just that it's never been as big as many people let on. I think Onlyfans and stuff like that have actually gotten men involved in a big way for the actual first time, and that is part of why it shocked so many people by making so much money. This is based on learning about those industries, and getting to see who was buying what, or even what people in adult entertainment said about how their products and business worked. As far as the science goes, well, let's be honest about the one called sociology. You notice in most societies one of the first things they tried to do was limit women from wandering and getting around too much. As soon as that control stops, you see women going around doing this stuff. Also while teenage guys might all be trying to get laid, the teenage girls are the ones who want to dress like sluts way too young, and are going to be sexually active, it's just they tend to all chase the same few guys in many cases. As far as the analysis of the content of the material, I think it depends on the era, the theme, and the genre. Romance has a lot of different things going on. Powerful guys with resources are common, but also understand there is a pretty typical theme about "fixing bad boys", as there is a whole sub set up this where the female protagonist is the one who has the agency. The way the male leads lack a lot in the way of personality and such is because I think when your writing for a female audience, they tend to project themselves more, which can in some cases make it easier to write as your just creating a model. It's sort of like if you follow developmental psychology... and say you give a girl and a boy the same toy. Let's say it's Batman. The boy is going to learn all about Batman as a character and an entity and have his imaginary fantasies in the world of Batman. When a girl has Batman, he's going to act like her and go shopping, bake cakes, or engage in whatever her interests are. There are exceptions to this and it's not that the thinking is entirely alien between them, but it is a different tendency in how they relate to fiction. Thus having a blank slate of a dude in a story, with only some guide posts, is to get her to fill in the blanks. There is also a different type of relational thinking when it comes to girls, where a lot of the stuff your looking for is there, but it's just conveyed differently through reaction to how the heroine thinks or something, as opposed to guys where it seems to be far more laid out and rationally conveyed. You can in many cases tell the intended audience for a story by looking at how the framework is laid out.

[@michaelcedeno391]

Hm. This video has triggered me. I'll say this, it is rare for a female to cheat. Female by nature is loyal, once her heart is captured. But when cheating does happen, because life is not perfect, the female will have a concrete reason for doing so. And I'm talking about a female cheating in an actual relationship. Not a female who is just "dating" someone. Thank you for allowing the time.

[@RaffieFaffie]

Not rare for a female to cheat at all man look at the statistics

[@jsbrads1]

Concurrent dating is very hard for me, I wouldn’t be able to keep two or more people’s information from mixing. And because I am not concurrently dating, I wouldn’t want someone who was.

[@platch23]

When you mix information up. They joke and say “it must be your other girl”. You laugh, she laughs.

[@drarsen33]

My university professor told me that his friend was doing randomized paternity testing on representative sample in Serbia. When the results started coming in government pulled the funding and basically destroyed the data to keep he social order. Initial results showed something around 20% of children not being raised by biological father.

[@drarsen33]

Hypergamy is one factor to it. Women seek out men that are in their rang or higher (based on their individual perception and criteria). So if "power" dynamic in relationship changed by ether woman going up or man going down, there is great chance that she will start looking around for replacement. We had one high visibility example in Serbia recently. One female TV host/presenter got sudden huge boost in her career and in no time she divorced her husband openly stating that he was not any longer on her level and that she needs to move on. I think that this mechanism is subconsciously present in people and that it drives some % of domestic abuse. On one side women became frustrated being anchored to "unfit" man and start lashing out at him. On the other hand man can denigrate or even beat a woman to keep himself up and her down in that power dynamic.

[@drarsen33]

Idea that modern relationships tend to fall apart after few years do to some mechanism flagging possible infertility is something that I have considered. Sounds very possible to me.

[@Light_910]

Hello I am glad I found your channel. You're highly intelligent people obviously and it is refreshing to listen to these conversations. I have some questions though. You two are married? Are you in two rooms in the same house while filming these conversations? It is strange to me is all but hey it works and I could be wrong idk this situation

[@blythebea808]

Came to this channel for the autistic, brilliant, and brash conjecturing. Stayed for the parasocial feels of how much these two love each other and how honest they are. Still don't agree with a lot of their opinions but they always provide some illuminating insights.

[@Dr3Mc3Ninja]

45:00 5-9 years old, Legolas from LOTR. Teen: Androgynous Japanese musicians of the "VisualKei" genre. Western men, I Preferred ones like RDJ & Jude Law in Sherlock Holmes. (Still strongly appeal to me.) Adult examples: Timothy Olyphant in Justified. Negan (Jeffrey Dean Morgan) in TWD. Wesley Snipes as Blade. I like lean, muscular, not super muscular. I really like Henry Cavill but even he was a bit too muscular at times, his personality is what makes him so attractive, his physique in The Tudors was my preference. In The Man From Uncle movie, I preferred Illya over Napoleon, even though Cavill plays Napoleon. I just like men to be older than me, and visibly so. Then Rami Malek has been consistently attractive to me since I was a child and watched Night at The Museum.

[@MidlifeCrisisJoe]

Yeah I've tried to explain to other dudes multiple times that women really prefer the lean body type to the buff body type more often than not, but I think for a lot of guys they don't listen to that because it's harder to go leaner than it is to go bigger. Getting big is just eating a lot and lifting a lot. So long as you have the extra money to buy all the extra protein and the time to lift the heavy things, it's actually a relatively simple process and you can get good results rather quickly (within 1 year). Going lean requires WAY more diet control. It means you have to eat a bunch of not as good foods for a lot of guys that are lower in calories. It means you do more cardio or stretching or isometric exercises. It means less fun and is more complicated. I think the issue is essentially dude laziness. They're willing to put in some effort, but not caring enough to be precise with their effort, I guess.

[@EriPages]

59:54 to 59:57 You have enough wealth, being a multi-millionaire living in a mansion with high-powered rifles in nearly every room. Why aren't you & Simone considering Polygyny (One Husband + Multiple Wives) for yourselves? The other wife, or other wives, would be wonderful helpmates to you and to each other along with Simone. Simone of course would remain the apple of your eye.

[@roberthudson3386]

Because it's immoral. No bajonking anyone except your spouse or long term partner. That's the rule.

[@EriPages]

Maybe partly due to women's hypergamy, women actually PREFER their husbands to sleep with women perceived to be as "better" than themselves because it means that they themselves must be better than they initially thought. Why? Because the women's thought is: Hey look, my Husband has all these top-notch women vying for his ejaculation in them...therefore my Husband is very sought after and high status, therefore I too am high status by being his wife.

[@MS-pm4dc]

Simone is correct when she said girls taken during the 50s to 60s wore their partner's high school ring or went steady. They wore the ring around their neck on a chain or on their finger with a great deal of tape, Boys also wore their girl's rings on their pinky fingers at times. High school letter jackets were certainly a thing but less so because it took a great deal to get a sweater and most teens did not have access. Some married their high school sweetheart. You are correct that dating was common and with many, many partners before marriage because you were both looking for that lifelong person..For some it was easy and they married one of their first few dates.

[@txdmsk]

I have an aunt that has literally read thousands of smut novels in her life. 20 or so years ago she used to have hundreds of these books on display in her bedroom.

[@applemirer3937]

I appreciate that he's acknowledging that the thing with all the girls isn't advisable. The assume sterility hypothesis is interesting. But I don't think minor subconscious hints are to blame.

[@bobbyz9052]

As far as the number of men raising other men's children, almost all studies will be biased in one direction or another. There's a data set that I found 5-6 years ago, of how many men found out they weren't the father in hospital settings (child needs a donor, father volunteers and finds out he's not the father). As far as I can tell this is the best case scenario since there won't be any other correlations with the data. As it turned out, on average 10% of men were raising another man's child

[@vladtheimpalerofyourmom-ag5112]

The idea of a straight man having an emotions affair with a man I’ve never considered. Honestly even though in my life I’ve had more women freinds and now that I’m married I’m very attached to my wife if I ever really am going to be vulnerable or talk about the deepest most critical parts of my life and decision making I go to my best Friend especially when it comes to my relationship with my wife. I honestly feel like I’m putting myself less at risk, know I won’t hurt him or be judged and as a man he is more likely to give honest and good advice and even be able to emphasise. I don’t know if this is an emotional affair, maybe it is as modern society expects a spouse to be the one you are emotionally more open with but I feel different because I am at odds in the fact that I think some things are not for spouses and some parts of the human heart are best kept from being manifested openly in a sexual and romantic relationship. That was an interesting idea I’ve never even considered.

[@DavidTitus_]

Muscles can be pretty significant as they also increase status among men, and tend to increase confidence, maybe it also doesn't translate over well to write about it in the books, books are inherently less visual. Anyway I did notice an increase in attraction, the muscles represent being inherently physically higher status/more powerful in that domain, just as being rich or successful would indicate that status in that domain, and the latter is more important, pretty sure, for long term at least.

[@redflag4255]

You really should not be online with your child it only projects your internet incompetence. Its internet 101. There are weirdo’s out there. Protect your family

[@SimoneandMalcolm]

The world is the internet. Trying to protect children from the internet is an exercise in futility. (like parents who try to ban porn in the age of the internet)

[@quackhouseproductions5572]

I’ve seen internet studies that found men are better (by looks) at predicting who will attract more dates given a line up of men.

[@Josh-sz8ip]

Please share how to find it

[@jsbrads1]

Old Simone sleeping around is a betrayal of the family and would probably encourage the children to violate their relationships and destroy their families endangering their families. Keeping some things sacrosanct encourages everyone not to break it.

[@geneberrocal3220]

Yeah but Malcom Sex is looking forward to it.

[@Josh-sz8ip]

Old Simone still has time

[@helmeteye]

Knowing you can kick someone else's butt makes you more confident. The confidence in a crowd of men and women attracts women. There is relative status. If someone can kick everybody else's but t, they have status.

[@yveje9720]

Interesting what you said about violence in sex but I don’t think it has to do with “sex slavery” at all really I think it has to do with bonding or rather not bonding. Sex naturally bonds people, that is proven scientifically actually. There really is no such thing as “casual sex” when humans have sex even when they just kiss or hug really any and all intimacy releases hormones that facilitate bonding. I think violence is introduced into sex to “block” the bonding process. If he caresses you, kisses you softly, holds you, is gentle in sex you’ll be in love. You two will “catch feelings”. Introducing violence is way redirect those feelings, you don’t bond as well to people who are dangerous to you, who inflict violence on you. The violence allows the people having sex to experience the pleasure of sex without forming bonds. This explains why violence is way more common in sex that is “casual” for both men and women. I believe men bond to women by giving to them, by doing for them, by protecting them. Men are natural givers in the hetero sex dynamic. Women bond to men by receiving from them, by accepting them, by depending on them. When men cannot trust women it makes no sense to give or protect them when women cannot trust men it makes no sense to depend on them. This is the modern landscape men and women cannot trust each other and thus cannot bond.

[@fransxescoli4834]

Please, engage me in honest conversation and tell Razib to clarify his position.

[@lilbroomstick7914]

We are talking about horrible people. Horrible people.

[@MidlifeCrisisJoe]

Yeah, that's all people if you look deeply enough. We have to accept that we are fallen and try to improve as we go.

[@lilbroomstick7914]

@@MidlifeCrisisJoewell said. I think more people need general awareness too.

[@philjones5555]

pride goes before the fall.

[@JezebelIsHongry]

my god proximity factor the fact that you were the Lathario of your region I mean no offense, but I would’ve been having to kick them out of the bed if I lived in your region

[@albionicamerican8806]

If women are still writing and reading romance novels in, say, the 24th Century, are these stories going to be set back in the primitive 21st Century, when there were still "real men" for Future Women to fantasize about?

[@kipkipper-lg9vl]

no

[@albionicamerican8806]

​@@kipkipper-lg9vl It's not any stranger than contemporary romance novels about 18th Century guys who wear kilts.

[@kipkipper-lg9vl]

@@albionicamerican8806 it's no particular time period they read porn about, it's archetypes of men, and those don't really change

[@MidlifeCrisisJoe]

I agree with a meme I saw once where looking back from the future on current age, it's likely to be viewed as some kind of dark age where a lot of what went on is lost to history. If for no other reason than we put WAY too much information on our primitive versions of the internet and 99.99999% of it is going to get erased when a solar flare occurs or something similar.

[@kipkipper-lg9vl]

@@MidlifeCrisisJoe people today are no different than they ever where, they just don't have any rules apllied to them now

[@maidende8280]

Highly recommend this lecture series, especially the 2 episodes on human sexuality: kzbin.info/aero/PL848F2368C90DDC3D&si=v373Nj6Su3FLuwvW Back when I took this class it was called HumanSexuality but we called it HumSex 😂

[@callum828]

For a couple that talks about such non-PC topics, I find it strange how politically correct Simone and Malcolm are in their language. In a talk which is specifically about Men and Women, they keep referring to everyone as 'people' as if a historical married woman is having an affair with a generic 'person' and not a 'man', or if a captured concubine is having 'people' take her against her will rather than 'men' doing so. It's a weird tic from a couple who are usually so precise in their language.

[@colekam]

They are progressive and pro-LGBT in nature, but they just don't like anti-natalism, cancel culture, and the general cultural intolerance/anti-pluralism spewed by some progressives.

[@caedrewan]

Had to pause at 45 minute mark - I was just speaking to my class (adult English learners) about my view on what men like in women (as a man, not the oddest thing to have thoughts on) - then one guy asked me, "what about women?" (that is, what do women like?) - and I had to say that I obviously don't have any idea!

[@MidlifeCrisisJoe]

women like: Height Ambition Confidence/Charisma/Charm Wealth/Resources Most other more specific things are usually just replacements or leading indicators for one of those 4 things. And Height is extremely relative. You usually just have to be taller than her specifically, so if you're short, just go after shorter women.

[@noxvenit]

She doesn't love you; it's just your turn.

[@GreatGazoo8]

Malcolm the chick magnet 😅

[@maidende8280]

@@GreatGazoo8 💯

[@helmeteye]

Nietzsche is very enlightening. Don't do Thus Spake Zarathustra first, you'll miss too much within it if you do.

[@gabriellecollier8127]

Malcolm stuck his foot in his mouth this entire episode.

If you cheat, our kid grows up an orphan. 2 in the ground, one in the pound and little johnny goes with G-ma. Them's the rules.

[@annarboriter]

You lost me when there was an attempt to explain the risks associated with the prehistoric notion of female mate variation by comparing it with infanticide among other apes. This assertion ignores the phenomenon of concealed ovulation which preceded the notion of monogamy which only could have come about when Homo sapiens discovered the full male role of paternity; hence patriarchy. The hostess also revealed her lack of understanding of concealed ovulation when she asserted that menstrual blood reveals fertility. Spotting is also a component of concealed ovulation. Furthermore menstrual blood only could have become associated with female fertility with the advent of sedentary agriculture and civilization

[@bluelion5160]

42:42 wait why is there a single male crisis if u just need to be confident

[@jsbrads1]

That isn’t enough.

[@MonkeyLiggaScrumptiousNan]

@@jsbrads1no shit, you can be the most confident person on this planet, if your 5 foot bald bad bone structure beaver teeth with a few missing then no girls will want you, over an autistic or just overall weird chad looking guy.

[@popers1328]

Because being confident is difficult?

[@Rametetr]

the fact that malcom is talking about passing down genes rather than alleles is a good indicator he has no idea what he's talking about

[@redlight3932]

thats a dude

[@maidende8280]

@@Rametetr He studied neuroscience.

I submit that the "Hidden" human Fertility is visually hidden on the female body BUT it is not hidden on the male's behaviour. I submit that human females give off an invisable smell that causes male emotional arosal in a caring/touching/sexual manner.... neither the male or female can smell this invisable smell. But females are super keen to abserve subtle changes in his behaviors, while gaging her closeness effects. Most likely oxytocin is effecting men. I also posit that this invisible smell comes at some regular point during the female cycle but not for no more than a few days, and its effects must be seen (unconsciously) but always felt by the female via the males changed behavior. Moreover, that regular point during a 28 day cycle varies among women.

[@williamclayton9566]

Experiments in evolutionary psychology show that men are able to [at least] subconsciously determine when a woman is ovulating. There may be several cues. Women at work that I've been around a lot, but don't know well / don't talk with much seem to be easy for me to read. Sometimes it's as simple as wearing a short sleeved shirt/dress. Sometimes it's the sway of her hips.

[@maidende8280]

Women’s voices are higher pitched, their skin is smoother, and their breasts are fuller when they’re fertile. Pheromones may very well play a role as well, but we have no evidence that most men can detect them. Pheromones from men are way more important to women. Oh, and of course women are hornier and men will pick up on that.

[@yveje9720]

@@williamclayton9566nah I think all that has been debunked or couldn’t be replicated humans really have hidden ovulation and men find women attractive all the time even when they aren’t ovulating. We simply do not go into estrous. Even if one wanted to argue the signs are there but very subtle it’s meaningless in animals that go into estrous there is nothing subtle about it.

[@Sarchein]

i know of and talk to this one girl with both an extreme arousal to sexual violence AND a large aversion to frivolous sexual encounters (shes a virgin), but this could just be a irrational (although i would say rational lol) fear of men, but yea most girls who enjoy sexual violence are more likely to have a higher body count than non sexual violence attracted ones for sure

[@JezebelIsHongry]

well The Red Queen: Sex and the Evolution of Human... by Matt Ridley

[@Fandar]

Why don't you talk about why people cheat in general, and not just focus on women?

[@popers1328]

Why should they? There are videos talking about men cheating. There are videos talking about women cheating. There are videos talking about people cheating. It's just an interesting topic. Focusing on one conversation can be interesting to see the particulars that make them different the the reasons that only apply to men or the reasons that only apply to women.

[@markanderson7236]

58:07 I wouldn't want to end up like Ralph from *Friends*.

[@williamclayton9566]

Y'all are looking at the covers of romance novels wrong. The men are primarily "pretty" (heavy brow, strong jaw, high cheekbones, i.e. indicia of high testosterone). Their musculature is more well-defined than merely large (high muscle to fat ratio - again, indicia of high T). The long, lustrous hair is indicative of good health. Also, you're accepting a dictionary definition of hypergamy, which ultimately comes to optimization, which doesn't tell us anything. Rather than thinking of marrying "up", think of hypergamy as creating a floor to attraction (see Rollo Tomassi).

[@Josh-sz8ip]

Equal or better is hypergamy

[@dorino9057]

@@Josh-sz8ip equal is not hypergamy

[@Josh-sz8ip]

@@dorino9057 *sigh* okay I'll copy paste the definition for you. Merriam-webster: 'The meaning of HYPERGAMY is marriage into an equal or higher caste or social group'

[@theJellyjoker]

We aren't an exclusively a monogamous species. For most of our recorded history were polygamous and I would posit polyamorous in our tribal times. The nobleman had his wife and often multiple concubines.

[@adamfillman9020]

The nobleman yes. The peasant? The point is we all deserve to destroy one another

[@popers1328]

That's not the majority of people though. Even in polygamous cultures, most people in them are still just monogamous. Exceptions like tribal leaders or warlords being polygamous is not indicative of humans being generally polygamous evolutionarily.

[@theJellyjoker]

@@popers1328 I agree, the social behavioural tendency in humans is monogamy. However, it's not a hard coded instinct. Humans have complex social dynamics. Mating, bonding and interacting in general. So monogamy is the common default but human social bonding is adaptable enough to accommodate a wide rage of mating strategies. Monogamy, polygamy, polyamory as well as polyandry.

[@OrwellsHousecat]

Emotions made them done it

[@howardroark3736]

I don’t think Aella is appealing. Part of that is the same aversion that Malcolm has to women with high body counts, but there’s also a quality to her face that’s hard to describe but off-putting.

[@Planeet-Long]

33:02 It would be interesting to see if the same genes influence cheating in men and women, that is if some historical environments rewarded men and women the same or if cheating is different among the saxes (I know what I wrote).

[@helmeteye]

You've got it backwards. At that ripe old age you would probably be the one who's not useful in that way, not her. Probably why they cheat.

[@LupinGaius-ls1or]

14:50; that’s from Psalm 137:7-9. It describes what is actually happening during and after a brutal siege.

[@786Plotinus]

Dude, you're a liar! Lol you still wanna cheat....