Why Is There Not More Incel Violence? The Male Sedation Hypothesis

[@maidende8280]

My mom made casual sex uncool for me by telling me overly explicit personal stories. It was cringey but I’m grateful!

[@DudeSoWin]

So your tits don't work, got it go be naive somewhere else collecting cancer.

[@geoffhart]

I'm not sure what limits you are setting, but for men it isn't lack of sex that is the problem (we can deal with that). It's lack of feminine contact/interaction. When I was young (once puberty started) just talking with a girl was a special thing. And when a girl I liked *touched* me, there was always a physiological response - even the slightest touch (to this day those memories remain). I totally agree that "casual" sex shouldn't be your goal. However, "casual affection" is a different story - you may be surprised about the affect you can have on your male friends. But as always, with power comes responsibility :).

[@maidende8280]

@@geoffhart I enjoy casual affection, but I only touch men I’m romantically interested in. Yes, men respond very well to casual touching - even just on the arm, which is typically what I do. And I agree completely that the lack of overall real intimacy both emotional and otherwise is the problem, more so than outright sex.

[@erikkovacs3097]

Eeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwww

[@rome2.04]

Grandma kept telling me to put a raincoat on it. Totally put a mental block in my mind that my grandmother had given my activities any thought. Solid "make it not cool" strat grandma!

[@mlts9984]

Citing the fact that some people use OF to make a living is a huge part of their marketing strategy. A tiny percentage become wealthy, a small minority can make a living, while a majority of women make a lot of money for the platform collectively, while earning very little individually. But they still incur the same social penalties as the women at the top in regards to the loss of respectability, professionally and relationally. It’s basically a MLM or a pyramid scheme, and they can’t compete against any newcomers with an existing fan base.

[@MicaelLNobre]

"Your worst sin is that you have destroyed and betrayed yourself for nothing." - Dostoevsky

[@skylinefever]

It makes me think of the motivational coach who is a 1 in 100,000 situation trying to act like the other 99,999 are totally going to make it.

[@mlts9984]

@@skylinefever definitely, “if you are so successful making money with this technique, why are you taking the time to sell us a course?” It’s a grift.

[@LoneWulf278]

@@mlts9984 😂

[@N0sf3r4tuR1s3n]

The worst part about OF as far as I'm concerned, is that originally it wasn't intended to be used like it is being used. At least that's the story I heard. It was going to be a site where bands and stuff like that could have behind the scenes stuff and other content posted, and their fan base would then pay to access it. So, you want to have a short documentary or something about a tour, or a music video, then instead of selling it on DVDs at concerts there's a website and your fans will be made aware of that fact. Instead of having to set up your own website and deal with all the headache involved in getting the payment system in place and so on. But some women figured out that they could use it for this purpose and it's not like the website is going to cut off their major revenue source at this point...

[@kaybrown7733]

I finally agree with Malcolm. People should get married and have kids because that is what THEY want! It shouldn't be forced on people who don't want it. If you force parenthood on people, then you're responsable for whatever form of abuse those kids are subjected to because you knew that person didn't want to be a parent and still forced it on them to get your way.

[@Sapwolf]

I agree. You cannot force marriage. If you do, it can be Hell on Earth. Being in a bad marriage is so painful and young people need to know how truly dangerous it is these days. The culture MUST be supportive of growing up, being selfless or a team player, and virtue. Today, we reinforce vice, and therefore marriage is foolish and for many just impossible.

[@skylinefever]

I frequently argue that with the fall of the "go forth and multiply or burn in hell" religions, you got lots of unwilling people raising kids hatefully. I argue that the fall of that and wide birth control access removes the "never actually wanted kids anyway" gene. I argue it could make CPS cases go extinct at the genetic level. Jolly Heretic Dutton suggests baby rabies is genetically concentrated due to people without it using contraception to extinction.

[@roberthudson3386]

@@Sapwolf I fundamentally disagree. Unless two people are a serious mismatch, being married is going to be a net positive rather than a net negative. Having the support of another person, provided you get on with them reasonably well, is a positive thing both for the individuals involved, but also for society as a whole. The family is the original welfare state. We need to teach people relationship skills. Instead we're just telling them how terrible other people are and how toxic blah blah blah, it's no wonder divorces are so high because we're actively encouraging it.

[@skylinefever]

@@kaybrown7733 I love how he pointed out the flaw of holy men harnessing the horniess of youth to get marriages. Good marriages, bad marriages, how much do the holy a holes care? Do they need quantity over quality?

[@TheBayzent]

Right. What do we do with single mothers though? Because the kids born from those are worse off than the ones coming from abusive ones.

[@coreybell-q6q]

"We should get rid of human arousal" Wait I read this in The Giver in the fifth grade

[@_SeaH0rse]

If the cons of approaching women outweigh the pros, on average, the decision maker will choose the least risky option, especially when the decision maker is less likely to be perceived positively. Men will resort to less risky alternatives for relieving sexual tension and pressure. (Legal) pr0n is currently the least risky alternative.

[@bbainter7880]

One Substacker I read often (John Carter) calls this "Pixel Valhalla". You get to fight and then you bang and then you sleep and do it all over again the next day, only it is virtual and not real.

[@levansegnaro4637]

Frankly it's alot cheaper and more enjoyable. The adventures my friends and I have lived through video games is amazing. From riding dinosaurs in ark to fighting leading men into medieval battle in Mount & blade. Definitely beats real life and its alot cheaper. When I was young I thought there was something out there for me so I traveled Europe, Mexico, good chunk of usa all the way up to Alaska. Real life sucks and is hardly affordable or as fun. People are the same where ever you go.

[@StarboyXL9]

Hey I mean, even if virtual it sounds like a great deal to me

[@skylinefever]

I often say that when genuine achievements are frequently accessible, virtual achievements are important.

[@stellarjayatkins4749]

It’s called nihilism and slow motion suicide. Sounds like hell.

[@plasmabat718]

@@skylinefever inaccessible?

[@aleidius192]

"It is all so tiresome" - Low T men everywhere

[@sunset-inn]

Are you saying that that Chinese guy in Africa that the quote is from was a low T male?

[@aleidius192]

@@sunset-inn That might be incidentally true, but the point is more that if T makes you like doing the hard thing then the lower your T less effort you will be willing to expend to achieve any given reward. In other words the lower your T the more tiresome any given unit of effort becomes and less attractive any given endeavor becomes if it requires any kind of effort. People who are low T do less crime because people with low T do less.

[@buglepong]

but then shouldnt this apply to women?

[@aleidius192]

@@buglepong It does. I wrote a long reply explaining the ways it does but KZbin deleted it.

[@aleidius192]

Maybe if I remove certain words its it will leave it up. Let's see It does. _____ are much more conflict and risk averse than ___. They generally have less interest in strenuous or physical work. They are much less interested in participating in or watching sports. The most demanding forms of exercise are ____ dominated, three quarters of power lifers are ____. The most passive forms of exercise are ______ dominated, every yoga instructor I've had has been a ______ and in almost every class I've attended I was the only ___. Most politicians are ____ even though most voters are ______. Most CEOs are ____ even though ______ leaders are good for the company's image and shareholders have no economic reason tolerate discrimination against ______ leaders that can make them money. Test is a hell of a drug and the evidence is everywhere.

[@joe42m13]

The problem with nofap is that whether you indulge in self-pleasure or not, you're starting to frame your identity around your s*xual habits, which is unhealthy

[@Syzygy77]

I’d argue that no fap gives you more of an opportunity to develop a personality revolving around other things. Yes, identifying as part of a No Fap community may do what you’re talking about, but if you just stop masturbating without identifying with it you have more time and drive to develop more healthy habits.

[@Grimmlocked]

@@Syzygy77 yeah it's like eating healthy of good sleep hygiene, or any other habit. It takes alot of energy at first, but as it becomes normal not to do those things you find yourself with alot more time on your hand

[@breakingzilian5371]

The better at no fap you are the highest association with low testosterone

[@sosaysthecaptain5580]

>“Ultimately we need to remove human arousal” This is a bridge too far for me. Disgust reaction. Horror. I just don’t think people have the wisdom to be making decisions like this. Whatever weird theology you’ve cooked up, you aren’t God.

[@LiamLoves]

I got rid of sexual attraction myself, great decision. My life has improved significantly. Maybe not for everyone, but I'm not going back.

[@mlts9984]

@@sosaysthecaptain5580 it seems like an overreaction to Malcolm’s early escapades. Attraction is a good thing, it’s just important to prioritize marriage and cultivate attraction to your spouse instead of developing a roving eye.

[@skylinefever]

I frequently talk about the greatest sexual revolution not being a birth control pill, but an anti-h0rny pill.

[@sosaysthecaptain5580]

@@skylinefever I think this would result in several years of unprecedented progress followed by total collapse. Civilization exists because guys want to get laid.

[@skylinefever]

@@sosaysthecaptain5580 I absolutely agree. I read a manosphere article called "fueled by orgasm" years ago and it had a similar conclusion. Recently Aaron Clarey made a video if such a pill were to exist. He often looks at economics and says similar things about how it could crash an economy. I argued that there would be far reaching economic costs, and later there would be an interesting genetic selection event. I said it would select out the "just has sex to have sex, and makes oops babies sometimes" genetics and lead to more "actually uses sex for reproduction only" genetics. I argue that the genetic effect is far too long term and to difficult to forecast for economists. Economists need line go up next fiscal quarter even if it means the downsides of the fueled by orgasm economy.

[@namenamenamename7224]

I’m just glad to know you guys officially endorse hentai.

[@tgres287]

temporarily so, until Malcom completes his villain transformation arc and stats taking arousal out of human genes. And than humanity will all choke on their own feces or something because in previous episodes Malcolm also said that disgust and arousal are on the same signal spectrum in the human biology.

[@StarboyXL9]

@@tgres287 He's only partly correct. You could produce a far superior effect by replacing women entirely and disconnecting the reproduction cycle from copulation. Use science to make man a creature that reproduces by parthogenesis or advanced cloning/genetic sculpting techniques. The role of women in society would be replaced by easily customizable, constructable, repairable android bodies operated by non-iterative AI. Hence the sexual urge is tamed, human reproduction can be safely industrialized, and the chaos factor of women is removed entirely.

[@skylinefever]

Sexbot critics would scream about it causing crime due to simulation. I say "if simulation caused crime, loli and shota would make Japan the most dangerous place for children."

[@MarioMario-vy4bi]

@@skylinefeverI think they just don’t like pedohphiles

[@StarboyXL9]

@@MarioMario-vy4bi That's really funny because they keep voting those people into office.

[@Noccyboy]

The fact that you have to say grape to have conversations on the internet is insane man

[@skylinefever]

When someone argues that the dumbing down of dictionaries of 1984 is just a book, I argue tech word filters are doing the job of 1984 newspeak dictionaries.

[@plasmabat718]

What in the Goddamn? Over 100 sexual partners? I'm in my 30s and I've had 1. I feel like at this point we may as well be different species. What the fuck. I'm severely autistic so I often feel like an alien but sometimes some bit of information like this comes along and kicks me in head and makes me realize that the gulf between my experience of life and the experiences of other people isn't just significant but seemingly unbridgeable. It really just makes me feel subhuman. If Christ hadn't found me I would have ended my life years ago. I suppose you are are a part of the 20% of men that attract almost all women. We may as well be living on different planets. Not really sure why God made a creature like me, but I've looked into why God creates people born broken and as far as I understand it He does so intentionally. I would say it's a cruel joke but in my personal experience and from what I've learned God loves all of us too much to ever do something like that. I pray most days and ask Him why He made something like me, to please help me understand His plan. If He wants me to do or become something specific to please help me understand and do or become whatever it is as quickly as possible so that I can leave this world in which I have never belonged as soon as possible. Anyway sorry for the stupid whining, feel free to delete this comment at your discretion. I felt a strange compulsion to express all of this, I don't entirely understand why I've bothered typing all this but it felt like I should. I hope you all have good days.

[@JasonJrake]

It’s a rarity. I have a 6’8” friend who had not had this many partners at 55 years old, and he’s an admitted sex addict with lots of options. Just as disease vectors alone, Malcom’s count is very dangerous, not to mention potential pregnancies and scornful partners. Most people with his options stick with each partner for at least a little while, so they could be having more sexual encounters total, but divided among fewer women. One woman you care about is all you need, but as someone who waited until marriage I completely understand the feeling that sex is all that matters until you actually have it….and the occasional doubt afterwards that there’s something wrong with me for choosing that path. On the other hand, this couple’s story does show how hard modern dating is. It took a “tall, wealthy, handsome, ladies man” to get her to reconsider being a single and childless career woman. My first wife was convinced by her conservative family to wait until in her thirties to start trying to get pregnant, a factor with contributed to is divorcing with no children. Society has become very counter-reproduction in practice even among those who on a paper are pro-child for religious reasons.

[@plasmabat718]

@@JasonJrake Yeah, I don’t even WANT more than 1 woman, it’s just that I can’t even get that. And even all this talk of “wanting a woman” is wrong to me. To talk about people like they’re commodities is horrifying. I want a wife, someone to love and be loved by and I hope have children with. I’ve been with 1 woman when I was 17 but that didn’t last more than the year despite my wishes. For the last decade and a half I’ve been single. Seeing some men be able to get so many women so easily and then discard them like used napkins, like they were trash, while I have extreme amounts of trouble finding even 1 woman willing to look in my direction is extremely frustrating for multiple reasons. I suppose this may be a very common experience for men in modern Christendom(the west) though. Things are extremely wrong here, fundamentally evil. I would be paralyzed with despair if I didn’t place my trust and hope with Christ.

[@skylinefever]

@@plasmabat718 Some people called it the effect of deregulation in the relationship economy. Every time an economy ends up like that, you will always get a few big winners and a significant number of losers. Some people called monogamy promoting societies "sexual socialism."

[@plasmabat718]

@@skylinefever I don’t know about all that, but what I do know is that if you have the majority of men living shitty lives with no reason to care about the well-being of society or the future of the civilization they were born into things collapse. Not to mention the lack of children being born.

[@Josh-sz8ip]

I'm autistic, 26, and had 0. God isn't making us. We're the result of unhealthy societies: Late pregnancies post-30. Micro plastics. Declining sperm count. Declining testosterone. God made DNA and humans. He didn't determine how humans will use freewill to the detriment of our own offspring. I see horrible parents and feminists aborting their own babies, meanwhile all I want is children, but I'm not allowed any

[@MoonFae-fb5uu]

From my experience, when ever random man i didnt know tried to approach me on a street, it was always instant turn off for me. No matter what he looked like, something about that situation is just no no no to my brain that my brain doesnt even see what man looks like. That situation makes me always feel unsafe and to me its very important that man makes me feel safe so maybe thats why. If it was a man from hobby or something who i even distantly knew, then i could go to date or something. I think men would have better success, if they would ask women on date who they know already from somewhere. (Im engaged so my opinion in this doesnt probably matter, but maybe other women feel same way)

[@corro3]

they're immediately coded as threat in my mind

[@stacycarlton2056]

Yeah most of us can tell it's why some of our social skills suck 😂 most of us don't want u to fell un safe so if we sense that from u we don't even approach act least not gen zers it's sad but im also not trying to cause someone's panic attack🙄

[@Josh-sz8ip]

I don't know any single gen Z women in real life and can't meet them in any way, so random approach is the only option. I wish random women would approach me though. I wouldn't feel scared at all. It's weird that women don't approach, when they're the less scary ones.

[@Josh-sz8ip]

​@@corro3 what can I do, then? I've not made a friend of the same generation in real life for the last 6 years. There aren't any women I "already know"

[@corro3]

@@Josh-sz8ip if you havent made a single friend your age in 6 years you have more issues than having a girlfriend you need to figure out a hobby or something that involves actual people irl

[@jkbrown5496]

Dating is only a bit over a century old for the middle class. The word "date" didn't appear in a US middle class publication until 1914, undefined in a comment from a college girl on her letting her "dates" be monopolized by a popular man on campus. The "singles bar", meeting women in a public establishment that serves alcohol, didn't come about until the opening of TGI Friday's in 1965 Manhattan. Perhaps it is time to go back to "calling" and leave dating to established couples. Betty Friedan's book The Feminine Mystique:[11][10][9] "I don't think there was anything else like it at the time. Before TGI Fridays, four single twenty-five-year-old girls were not going out on Friday nights, in public and with each other, to have a good time. They went to people's apartments for cocktail parties or they might go to a real restaurant for a date or for somebody's birthday, but they weren't going out with each other to a bar for a casual dinner and drinks because there was no such place for them to go"

[@TheBayzent]

Dating as a term didn't, courting on the other hand has been around since English was a thing.

[@jkbrown5496]

@@TheBayzent Yes, and prior to taking a woman out and spending money on her, the man was entertained at her home under the watchful eye or her mother, aunts, grandmother, etc. It was "calling". "One day, the 1920s story goes, a young man came to call upon a city girl. When he arrived, she had her hat on. The punch line is completely lost on twenty-first-century readers, but people at the time would have gotten it. He came on a “call,” expecting to sit in her parlor, be served some refreshments, perhaps listen to her play the piano. She expected to go out on a date. He, it is fairly safe to surmise, ended up spending a fair amount of money fulfilling her expectations"

[@BillyTheKidsGhost]

I'm single and over 40 I have only had 2 girlfriends in my whole life. The lifetime bachelor has existed since the dawn of civilization. The problem is that almost everyone in the West has lost touch with reality. The second thing is that Western society is very obsessed with sex. Living a Monastic life was once revered, but now it has become shameful. Also at one time with Germanic tribes, you could not become a warrior if you knew the love of a woman before the age of 21 because it would make you soft. I find most married men soft and out of shape whereas single men are more fit.

[@StarboyXL9]

True, and damn the Goths were on it.

[@insomniacresurrected1000]

Studies were done that your testosterone drops when with a woman and especially when the kids are born.

[@ahobimo732]

The "love of a woman" makes you soft because it makes you happy. Profound chronic dissatisfaction fills you with violent rage. That's very conducive to war.

[@BillyTheKidsGhost]

@@ahobimo732 You need to, couple it with a greater cause like God or war. Otherwise, it is almost impossible to keep a vow of chastity. Early Christians were known for their compassion and inner strength. Physical strength is also associated with, chastity.

[@Tartersauce101]

Cope. Unless you live in a Monastery.

[@dornravlin]

I think we’re not seeing more incel violence is because most of us who are unlucky in love and sex are not violent people and we decided to put our energy into other things

[@roberthudson3386]

The reason is probably the futility of violence. Violence is not a rational choice. If you are a lone actor you are nearly 100% certain to get either imprisoned or killed. People therefore will only do it when they are suffering multiple fundamental stressors that cause them to make fundamentally irrational decisions. The society in which we live does not have a healthy culture in terms of relationships or marriage. The fact that incel violence is even a signifcant phenomenon whereas 50 years ago it really wasn't a thing because it was far easier for normal men to find women if they wanted, or, even if they couldn't, find meaning in religion or some other higher truth does suggest that there is an issue. But probably for it to be a bigger issue, these men would need to be under greater stress. If severe economic stress hits or a war starts, then I think we will see more men revolt. Our society really does not treat the bottom 40% of men well, and that will become apparent when a major crisis hits. Having pornography and video games may distract men (most of the time) from the desire to bajonk the nearest thing that moves, but they simply don't replace the very real support network of a family.

[@skylinefever]

@@roberthudson3386 I think about how some people suggest it isn't entirely futile. Some people say "Get rich or die trying." It may not be fully rational to us. Some discuss that at some level, the non select sees itself as approaching an evolutionary dead end. At some level it sees it either makes a last ditch effort or loss is guaranteed.

[@roberthudson3386]

@@skylinefever But there's no way in which attacking people is going to get you laid. It makes as much rational sense as terrorism. Just like people blow themselves up for Allah despite having no children or in some cases even relatives in their homeland; this makes no sense either. And in today's Western society we aren't even extended ethnic groups since people literally come from all over the world. There is zero evolutionary sense in it. The only argument is that it may, if society responds sympathetically rather than unsympathetically, create better conditions in future for other people in a similar situation. But this isn't a rational decision. Societies don't tend to respond sympathetically to violence directed randomly. So therefore the only circumstances in which this kind of violence happens is when someone is ALREADY suffering from multiple other stressors and mental health issues other than simply an inability to have sex. Under those circumstances this turns something that is simply a mentally difficult situation into something that actually tips someone over the edge into committing acts of violence. But this is extremely rare. The overwhelming majority of incel men and women are not going to do this.

[@skylinefever]

St Thomas Aquinas was a famous theologian. He argued that sex work must be tolerated. He did not argue it had to be liked. He did not argue it had to be promoted. Non catholic holy men either never heard it or pretend they never heard it. Catholic holy men frequently argued it is a rare loss among a man who had a lot of wins. I believe St Thomas Aquinas saw the downsides of allowing it, saw a lesser evil, and selected the lesser evil. I see that take on the world's oldest profession similar to tolerating the adult entertainment industry. I say "It sucks to have your plumbing safety valve crack open and spray water all over the place. It sucks even harder when pressure builds up, and your water heater turns into a rocket." Many argue that viking raiders are the non select guys of the time. A code of ethics that led to those guys leaving and warring means they are not the local people's problem. The locals could care less if those non select vikings are wrecking foreign lands or ending up in Vallhalla, it means those guys are some other people's problem. I thought about the masses of hopelessly single guys when I was 14. It was when I first wanted a girlfriend. One day a mainland Chinese girl may have shown interest in having me as a boyfriend. Later that day, I thought "Gendercide created masses of hopelessly single guys. What will they be up to? Communists may try to destroy the law of supply and demand. However nothing repeals the basic laws of economics." I then decided in 1998 to try to get news from mainland China. There is a limit in how much news enters mainland China. The great firewall could also be what limits news that gets out. I heard of lie flat and let it rot around 2017. Although it could be a reaction to an awful job market, hopeless singledom may add to it. When I was 10, holy a holes argued that school umiforms pervent perverted thinking. It is argued revealing clothes make pervs. At age 14, I thought about how much I wanted a GF and do things while she wore a school uniform. I joked "Ask openly perverted country #1 what difference school uniforms made. Japan is considered openly perverted country #1. The sailor suit girls school uniform has a lot of fans." I joked about all the hent@I content of the internet. I joked what difference did tentacles plus Sailor Senshi costumes make? Even if it wasn't for weebs, otakus, or moonies, it doesn't mean the school uniform thing wasn't popular. Some guys were into the elite Catholic university uniform thing. I have aged many years. My type of women has aged a certain amount. My like of the sailor suit girls uniform never changed. I took interest in Japan news much earlier than when I took interest in China news. I was practically born a car guy. The Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo arrived when I was 5 and instantly wanted it. To 1980s kids, turbo power sounded like magic. Twin Turbo sounded like ultra magic. I think I took interest in South Korea news around age 22. I think it was the idea that whatever happens in Japan will happen to South Korea 5 years later. 5 years after that it will arrive west. I suspect the order is no longer the same. It is argued that Seoul is even more cyberpunk than Tokyo.

[@HoradrimBR]

Pushing nofap to increase radicalization sounds so absurd and funny - even better(or worse) - *because* it's real.

[@NerdlySquared]

Idk why the obvious most likely result is ignored in this dual choice setup being described here. That today, the nofap evangelists are more likely to just go back to pron first, rather than causing havoc in the streets. That them just going back to self medicating is far more likely than turning into some Viking horde.

[@hallajavel]

Why does Malcolm always brings up his sexual past like he is bragging? And Simone approve of it? Wtf?

[@NerdlySquared]

Because he is bragging and she does approve of it.

[@Hans_Peterson]

Probably because people perceive him as a nerdy guy that wouldn’t do well with the ladies.

[@sleeper9638]

Insecurity because otherwise people would rightfully out him as being an inkwell himself. It will always be inkwells that are obsessed with other inkwells and create entire channels about it. Most normal guys that don't get much action probably aren't even that aware of it

[@SimoneandMalcolm]

Becouse to say - sex wont give you happines means nothing when you have not had a lot of it with a lot of people. Otherwise its like bieng a poor person who never had a dime saying money won't brint you happiness

[@skylinefever]

@@SimoneandMalcolm this is the take we need. I once asked "If incels paid a pro and did the deed already, maybe some would move on." It isn't the whole story, escortcel is a thing. Those guus did buy the service, but still feel like a nobody.

[@LaboriousCretin]

1) incel doesn't mean shooter/killer. More so, the shortest have commonalities. They are bullied and not standing up for themselves. It's similar in a way to woke being all the left. 2) Entertainment is the opiate of the masses. Though that has gone downhill in ways also. 3) Monkey dynamics and humans similarities. The genetic part gets to part of the shooter problem. They went after kids. Though missing other variants. Probably from society imprinting. Genetic groups were not targeted. 4) The religions going after gamers and the real statistics. The religions attacking show a higher criminality. Reading through the statistics in a way, slicing it in a way. Gamers in the religions and the religion in whole show the % of decrease in the gamers and supports Entertainment being a opiate for most. 17:42 a basic rule for parenting. If your to far to a side and push things in extreme ways. That pushes the kids to the other side as they find out the truth. Elon and his kid even show that. But most people have seen families split in ways. 21:24 Japan, Korea. They have versions. Though, if you look, they are lacking in ways. 24:30 The guy with 1,000 kids. The females were fine seeking him out and going around rules, then later attacking him. You can see this across groupings. ( passport bros and sis's another good example). 31:14 You would have to reprogram a lot of females for that. The 40% of men not procreating and rising is not all males fault. I'm sure most of them would want a family. The hoe phase as some put it. Is one big thing that pushes a good chunk of guys away. It is a vicious cycle that hits females later on. The paradigm that is seen in other groupings. Short-term satisfaction over long term. Though, there are whole sets of compounding factors running through society and the sexes. Whole cottage industries raised around the sexual devide. Also, statistics showing the craziness. The whole bear vs. men meme. The scamers turned to findom and then pay pigs and pig butchering trends/pipelines. On top of that, so few shunning such. The bad system that let's females off with little or very reduced sentences and pushed back out onto the streets. I could go on and on with the imbalances and bad. So many things and statistics showing parts and how some link. It's not all women, but enough and supported by bad female networks cloaked as if they were doing good. Add to that things like bad health care and bad/corrupt politicians, basically nothing good from the system. It is best to direct some to other countries but also warn them of things if they are considering such. Some of what they are scared of is the men getting together and not the change part as much as a different type of civil war. Not likely to happen, but it seems to terrify the upper class/government. The irony of starting a war to deal with the disposable male subclass will backfire on them in ways too if they try. It just makes more wars form and land taken or lost depending on sides. A good chunk of guys will not fight for a net negative country. More so, they might see the country as weak and take parts or such. Having said that. There are some good females that would make good mates for people out there. The red pill stuff is not all females. Though a big enough chunk for the industry around them to survive. Not all females are hoes or gold diggers, and not all males are dusties or broke or such. One theory I hope for is some type of reset as birth gap hits, and so things don't compound further. A good chunk of 2 to 3 generations lost. The natural balances thrown way off. More hard truths for women to take than men right now. So many bad perceptions going around. Mind viruses flowing through societies. Broken class systems and so many failing up. Lots to fix and bias blindness keeping large chunks from doing so. Big cracks in society. National debt and inflation and taxes with no good returns. Lists for everyone. lol

[@bbainter7880]

My 11 year-old son plays tackle football. It's tough and dangerous and he has had a couple of minor injuries, but he loves it. The coaches are tough men who demand excellence and punish laziness. The boys learn how to work together as a team so that they can meet their enemies on the field and crush them. They also learn how to lose right, they emote together in winning elation or mourn together in loss. There is a risk of serious injury but IMO there should be when young men are doing masculine activities. That needs to be owned by the parents. My wife wanted to nix football for the obvious reasons but I insisted on it, and I am so glad I did. To me, it's a modern stand-in for the ancient male initiation rites you see in primitive cultures

[@joe42m13]

I wouldn't be worried about broken bones so much as concussions and head trauma as they get bigger. Team sports are great, but learning to push yourself in something solo like running or rock climbing can be really valuable too

[@hedgefundphil]

men are not allowed to form such organizations nowadays because they discriminate against women but women are allowed to have women's social networks

[@CYBER_FunkER]

Man every video I watch of you guys I feel like my life is just completely worthless, despite how much time and effort I've put in 😔

[@CYBER_FunkER]

Oh nvm they said hentai is good, we're so back

[@dontsqueezethehamster]

Life can suddenly get better.

[@calebhebert2733]

You made me spit my drink out. Thanks for the laugh

[@historyfan6684]

Oh my God, just watched the intro and haven't dived in yet but wow great subject! I'll comment on conclusion once I finish but just had to say that once again y'all are great at picking topics that are interesting. My oldest daughter and I are now avid fans.

[@dudemcguy9595]

Pornographic sedation of young men misses the point. There is nothing noble about being a numb coombrain. Instead, we should make society reward pro social rebellious behavior.

[@kaybrown7733]

No such thing as pro social rebellious behavior because rebellion is in the eye of the beholder.

[@skylinefever]

Guys just ask "when does the ROI of nobility show up? How big is it? What is the insurance policy that the upside does happen?" When it is concluded that it is small or nonexistent, guys will just continue to do whatever gives a short term aid.

[@Trizzer89]

How will you teach your boys to avoid retroactively revoked consent?

[@plasmabat718]

Probably will tell them to not have anything to do with women they aren't 100% sure they can trust to not do so. How will their boys know which girls can be trusted? Probably through intense social vetting. Meeting Malcolm and Simone and teaching their boys how to determine which girls won't claim rape falsely. Casual sex is over, billions must be in long term monogamous relationships lol

[@roberthudson3386]

Another factor I'd suggest needs to be considered is how many men commit violent acts with other ostensible reasons even though they are either sexless or lacking a stable relationship or family. We had riots here in Britain recently and although they were basically about high levels of immigration, there is among those who rioted a preponderance of older white working class men, I would hazard a guess they may also be significantly more likely than the general male population to be single. Men often don't want to admit they're a failure even if they may feel as such, so they probably would want to give themselves some other ostensible reason to revolt, even if loneliness is in reality a major factor.

[@skylinefever]

@@roberthudson3386 I see it as guys revolting because prices go up, wages go down, and no socially acceptable method changes it. They followed the life script and got not pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. They seek revenge on those who sold the dream and destryed it.

[@Josh-sz8ip]

You're way off. When I had a girlfriend, we were both against the replacement, and support the protests now. It's completely unrelated.

[@Josh-sz8ip]

​@@skylinefever No. We just don't want our country to get less safe as it's filled with 700k immigrants a year and transforming safe places into dangerous ones. The crime rate of England has increased, while Wales, North Ireland, and Scotland's has not, because the immigrants to the UK come to England, not the Celtic countrires. All the former colonies of Britain still have their native ethnicities intact with a future existence secured

[@skylinefever]

@@Josh-sz8ip That is another thing people are revolting against, because any sociable and peaceful method of changing it is not accepted.

[@roberthudson3386]

@@Josh-sz8ip To be fair I'm not saying it's the case in all cases by any means, just that romantic loneliness is a factor that could be contributing to rage amongst a lot of white working class men, which then finds alternative expression in practice. I'm not saying that is a motivation for everyone who joined in the riots recently.

[@billlowery1658]

31:31 Simone drops some nuclear truth on Malcom ❤

[@Sapwolf]

I remember being with two female coworkers in Las Vegas for a conference and we were late getting tickets to a show and we ended up going to see that Avenue Q musical play not knowing what it was about. And there was this family in front of us and one of the kids was a boy maybe like 12 years old. And when that hilarious internet is for porn song came up, the mother put her hands over her sone's eyes. I smiled and we made eye contact and she smiled back and I gave her a big thumbs up. Hilarious!

[@magickaldood]

Pacifying young men's needs is exactly how we got to where we are now. I'm not sure why anyone would think that these things are currently going well. The West will continue down this road until men break these para-social dependencies or we get overrun by another culture.

[@historyfan6684]

Ok, having watched the full video I have a couple of issues. First, I am uncertain that porn and the Fap or No Fap issue can be given quite the amount of weight that seems to be attributed to them here. From the statistics I have been able to gather in a short time it seems that sex crimes did actually increase in line with the massive buildup in availability of access to smartphones and internet porn access. I think that it is highly likely that either side of this issue is guilty of far too much single factor analysis and that the problem is more likely deeply rooted in the advanced cultural decay we are experiencing similar to the "mouse utopia". Secondly, STOP IT WITH THE CUTE BABIES!!!!!!! My wife and I are too old and our daughters haven't started giving us grandchildren yet. Yer killen me smalls. You two make such great looking kids, congratulations and always remember to enjoy every moment while they are small because in an eyeblink they will be grown.

[@bazstraight8797]

I started doing haircuts for our kids when one, as a 4 year old, one cut off most of her hair when she was bored. Wife was so impressed with my fix-up job she got me doing the rest of the kids then her self. Though the girls grew their hair out (ie uncut) from about when they were 10 and I stopped 'styling' the boys when they were about 17 (told them to find their own style). Still cut my wife's hair.

[@arcadyabramov7962]

This AI is going to be useless because your cancellation in 95% has nothing to do with you. What the woman decides is what counts.

[@brickmastertube]

You call it "masturbatory" but it's more accurate to call it "practice". Immersion in athletics and porn is practice. They prepare your body and your mind for when it's time to do the real killing and the real fucking. Not all practice is of the same quality, and not all practitioners are equally committed. "Junk volume" is a thing. But ultimately practice is practice.

[@jaywalks9918]

Men are relieved to not deal with modern women.

[@skamgodt964]

low t coomer response

[@kaybrown7733]

You're way too old to be that immature. I really hope you know that we don't care. In fact, we like it when guys like you stay away! Keep staying away. We thank you for your continued absence! 😂

[@ayyyblinkin343]

Ew girls​@@kaybrown7733

[@GiantRobotIdeon]

41:40 It was me. I was the one getting angry at Simone being on the OBJECTIVELY wrong side of the screen and complained abt on the Discord server

[@TheDashingRogue]

It should also be noted that a mass events are not “optional” for intel’s who do want reproductive Now self defense/domestic violence that might be something to consider

[@mastercharlesdiltardino8058]

The glasses on these two! Should have put a pair on the baby.

[@jamestimberpass6352]

The true star of these videos is the baby.

[@ryoga5000]

Its party to reinforce their ego and persona

[@genericyoutubeuser8957]

There is no way he consentually slept with a hundred women without some form of payment involved.

[@drmvp21]

No way at all. He’s lying obviously but to try and give himself more credibility because he doesn’t look the part.

[@JailBo-id7ko]

He's likely from a mason family. Those people are absolute degenerates. Incestuas too.

[@markanderson7236]

22:35 Yeah, he kinda admits it, but that's still a huge accusation.

[@Planeet-Long]

The solution to get rid of most approach anxiety is to get rid of cultural and institutional misandry, a civilised man who approaches a woman in a civilised manner is seen as flattering by most women if they find him attractive, the main issue is that our society demonises almost any and all male behaviour. Weirdly enough, by being misandrist our society also actively makes women want most men less if they actively seek consent. My mistress absolutely loathes when I ask "Can I do this now? How about this?" but then again, she has confusing body language, meanwhile my girlfriend is very proactive and I don't need to ask her and she is way more approachable, despite my mistress having a higher libido than my girlfriend.

[@Planeet-Long]

For context, my mistress knows about my wife, my girlfriend doesn't. My wife knows about both.

[@maidende8280]

@@Planeet-Long Why do you want/need so many partners?

[@bobbya51]

@@Planeet-Long You clearly have abundant resources to juggle three different woman simultaneously , and boast about it publicly . Fortune 500 top exe or rock star ?

[@aldoushuxley5953]

Does this not contradict your take, that pron does not lower birthrates? If violence is so low, because incels can mimic reproduction with pron and so have no reason to harm others to get access to women, does that not also imply that there is less reason to actually talk to women and get access to women through nonviolent means (courting/ dating) Would explain why gen z men don't approach women anymore...

[@aldoushuxley5953]

As an analogy, think of something like UBI. Yes, if everyone gets some money every month for doing nothing, that would probably reduce crime rates. You now have access to it for free, so you have less of an incentive to rob people etc. But you also have less of an incentive to get money through means which are actually beneficial to society, like working.

[@Winterascent]

Incels are Involuntarily celibate. Porn is not the cause, women not wanting to be with these men is why they are celibate.

[@alastairthegreat2887]

Pretty sure there are some other obvious reasons for men not approaching women.

[@skylinefever]

South Korea and Singapore have loads of content bans. Japan has few. Somehow Japan outbreeds those two places. I then say what would the birth rates be if none of those countries were full of cram schools and 12 hour a day workplaces.

[@aldoushuxley5953]

@@skylinefever Singapore is a city, and cities have lower fertility than more rural areas. If you want to make a fair comparison, compare it to Tokyo (and only the city, not the region) And Korea has low fertility for a lot of regions. Content moderation is not the only difference to Japan, as you well know. I could name 10 countries which do moderate content that have higher fertility than Japan, if you want to

[@admiralpaulsaveahoe]

What you dont see is, the experience of having the aboundance in Sex, makes you value your family. If you havent made it, you would have a longing for it, especialy as a man. So saying we should just regulate the datingmarket short term desire isnt worth it, concidering pron, wont fix it, sounds autistic at this point. So the Redpill, becoming attractiv, is the only way to date for the individual.

[@jkbrown5496]

Women were to the left so they were opposite the sword, i.e., behind the man's defenses, in a fight

[@simonacerton3478]

Problem with 50's level pron is that that era had a lot of prostitution and grape. We can manage the grape issue by locking up a lot of people (its easy to catch them with DNA) but we don't want the prostitution and can't handle handle the social instability it causes.

[@trevorhare1815]

Are there any studies on participation in team sports, volunteering etc and mass shooters? Has anyone done a statistical analysis of personal bios to discover protective environments and behaviors?

[@Josh-sz8ip]

Good question

[@tuckerbugeater]

the research on the issue is disingenuous

[@skylinefever]

Here is the challenge. What do you do when someone hates team sports, and they get forced into it for the good of society? Will we see the upside?

[@trevorhare1815]

@skylinefever i was using team sports as a proxy for voluntary prosocial behavior in a positive mutually supportive environment. I'm not sure what your question is meant to indicate

[@nathaniel_pardue]

To anyone watching conent like this I ask you which is simpler and more practical; 1. Doing all this crap to manipulate and control the sexes, quantifying every angle in grand academic symposium. *OR* 2. Telling women "No" ?

[@87rtlandry]

Not sure what kind of studies you guys are looking at for no-fap and its ties to violent crimes, but seems to me that no-fap would have nothing to do with that logically. So let’s say there’s an incel who graped and mergered a woman. Which is likely to be the greater contributing factor? The chronic depression due to a sense of loneliness and worthlessness? Or a self-imposed routine of corn fasting? If you think the latter is true then why not also ask why there aren’t more mass shootings committed by Franciscan Monks?

[@skylinefever]

@@87rtlandry I often argue that nofap gets different results for different people. It may also get different results based on motivation. An incel who thinks nofap will make him totally score may have the wrong motivator, and therefore boil with rage. The monk may be motivated by something completely different. He may do it as some holy calling, and the stuff he does in monkhood matches his motivations. Incel motivational structure: go to college and work hard to get a decent job. Study what he hates and gets through it to get a good job. That job never arrives and goes Fight Club. Monk motivational structure: goes to college to study subjects to expand his mind where he is motivated. He may work hard but it is a labor of love. He graduates and his knowledge of philosophy, history, debate, and other things goes to his dream. The job he gets may not pay that great, but an intellectual monk among other intellectual monks gets the job that matches his intellect.

[@michaelsteinberg205]

You guys remind me of another KZbinr that used to do a lot of research on controversial topics and show what the research really says. He was deplatformed in 2020. I hope that doesn’t happen to you.

[@Trizzer89]

Removing sex drive is a terrible idea. So many things are related to sexual experience. You would create people who feel much less alive. Maybe even zombie-like

[@Winterascent]

That movie Equilibrium from 2002, comes to mind.

[@LiamLoves]

I can personally assure you this does not take place. I removed sexual attraction from my psychology and I am the opposite of a zombie, in fact, my life is far richer than before.

[@MarioMario-vy4bi]

Destroying any aspect of sensation is always gonna make people feel less alive.

[@skylinefever]

@@Trizzer89 Rollo Tomassi suggested that if an anti sex drive pill existed, it would end up removing other male drives to achievement in the process.

[@tuckerbugeater]

@@Winterascent resistance is futile

[@GodGuy8]

As a single man Being around women makes you less unhappy bc of the potential to get a wife. Church as been a source of hope for me bc protestant churches in dallas have lots of women that still go and u get opportunities to interact with them and potetially get a gf if you serve alongside

[@DudeSoWin]

Not Protestant enough, bring me to an "Atheist" Church the Catholics will fear. Got to avoid the crazyheads who eat the analytics of women studies along with all that other war propaganda. Ain't seen an american woman in years.

[@meesteranonymous8177]

Enjoy your selection of born again sloozies Try to pick one without foreign residual still residing in the chamber, that's just gross

[@TheBayzent]

I work in finance in a very female dominated office and my life is considerably more miserable than when there were more dudes in the office. Also I tried church dating and it's been a horrible experience, but good luck to you.

[@meesteranonymous8177]

@@TheBayzent are you 6ft, blue eyes, trust fund, and whatever else the lyrics says?

[@GodGuy8]

@@TheBayzent i can understand both of those, yes trying to date in workplace these days is asking for HR drama, u have to ignore them which is hard to do, u can be falsly accused of harassment if u turn a girl down. And church dating can be frustrating i wouldnt even be trying unless the church had a LOT of women coming through. Online dataing watch out for chicks trying to get free meals and other than thqt u can try to date a waitress or cold approach. god bless, keep praying about it

[@jonah_da_mann]

One of my beliefs in regards to porn is that the performers should have exclusive ownership of the copyright. One of the prerequisites for "consent" is that it must be "ongoing." Thus, if the performers change their minds and regret having done porn, they should be able to have it taken down.

[@harebrain5239]

So what happens when an incel quits the porn and games?

[@josue1996jc]

yeah, thats what is happening to me, i had a really hard break up a like 7 years ago (it was a situational thing netheir of us really wanted to break up but did because of war and immigration situations) i am actually pretty good looking but i didnt came out of home, then the pandemic . . . . then a bit of depresion . . . is a long story, but i basically saw anime, watched porn, smoked weed every fucking day and played video games for 5 years straigth (worked 2 years and since i didnt do anything i invested almost everything so i dont have to work now), now i started studying medicine so i NEED to change, yersterday i deleted fucking League Of Legends, and since there a couple girls that are hitting on me in the university i'm considering to ask some out and see if i find someone interesting, but to be honest IDK if i'm ready to take that step . . . i really havent quit porn or games or weed for complete, i think because they give me a sense of normality and do this kind of changes so suddently will affect my ego (in the latin sense of the word) but i consider myself a fast adapter so i guess i'll be fine. so with all this context and to answer your question: i think the change will be for good because when they start to realize how it feels to embrace those things that were missing from their lives, but it all depends on how the gilrs will react to this massive wave of incels that will come out to the field in a couple years, i know that gilrs are having it rough too rigth now, so REALLY hope they will see that guys have been lonely aswell and will be receptive, but i guess that depends on wheather they have the feminist mindset of victimhood or not by that point.

[@LiamLoves]

Greatness.

[@NerdlySquared]

Most just go back to those things after they realize the effort they freed up time for and put in, is only rewarded with continued isolation in most cases. In other words, their other problems remain, even without those crutches or time sinks. A few find genuine long lasting success and evangelize to deaf ears. Or get banned from their forums for it. But generally have other concerns and priorities now, so are unlikely to be heard from much anyway. It’s unclear how much this group still engages with games or pron, but probably goes back to some general population baseline average level of use. A few get even more jaded with the realities of current dating and what current partners are actually like, having experienced it first hand now through their effort and drop off into now voluntary isolation from dating. This group also probably returns to some pron and games, although is now more likely to be also focusing on a myriad of other social, hobby and health outlets in addition to the old habits and time sinks and ruminating. Those are the three outcomes that mainly actually happen.

[@skylinefever]

I see it as getting some guys genuinely motivated for good, some guys motivated to raise hell, and some guys not getting much at all. I often argue that some people on the near elite will finally get elite. Others will get so little, what's to gain?

[@sleeper9638]

Nothing, corn and video games exist in every culture on the planet, it's only feminist cultures that have high rates of inkwells. In fact corn consumption is even higher in a lot of Arab and African countries yet there's still very few inkwells. The cause is feminism, before these things existed it was previous male hobbies like bowling and golfing which were criticised

[@aleidius192]

13:57 "Titrated" is the word

[@insanogeddon]

Crash the net in a country and watch it implode LOL The assumption that there is consistency in female responses in flirting across groups or across time is delusional unless all you did was target vulnerable people of specific hobbies or cultural groups.

[@markanderson7236]

12:08 Haven't seen this in over a decade, but it had popped into my head how long ago I watched that video. Definitely a relic of its time.

[@ChrisE1415]

The problem with any sort of dating market today (from a man's perspective) is there are much less single women than men. On the apps there are more men than women, IRL situations such as social activities designed to meet people of the opposite sex there are more men than women. I know based on demographic data on my city there are more women than men, so women just must not care as much as men as you never see many compared to the men. I tried speed dating recently it was advertised as seven unique dates, where you get the other persons name and picture on your phone and then the men go find the ladies. The first picture that popped up on my phone was another guy, I then go to him and explain I'm not gay and he laughs and explains to me because there are more guys they do friendship dates. Then over the course of the night I had 2 friendship dates with other guys and 5 speed dates with women.

[@Roonasaur]

Don't forget all the legal weed you can get your hands on these days.

[@87rtlandry]

What if say hypothetically, as a young boy was “caught”by his parent in the act of looking at porn, and was then shamed for it. How would that affect that child’s future in the long run in terms of sexual identity, esteem, etc?

[@jamesconnolly5164]

"I feel like [redacted] is easier" -- Simone First time I've heard a woman say something genuinely funny in a long time.

[@gkyfutfktxkd]

Desire is the motivating factor that creates society if we eliminate arousal we kill civilization.

[@Mr_M.]

I think marriages of the future should be platonic (excluding actual reproduction) with separate and private sex lives for each life partner, preferably with legalized male/female professional sex workers. I think this will keep marriage focused on family without sex becoming an issue.

[@caedrewan]

This episode was wild - anyway, thanks for it

[@noxvenit]

Dude, please stop interrupting her.

[@PortugueseMACPOW]

I'm not one of them, but I will help them. As every girlfriend I had all cheated on me.

[@ThomasJDavis]

So... what's the goal for young men here? To keep them sedated or actually help them get girlfriends/wives?

[@grein545]

So to solve issues of physical crimes from young men in coming in from the Middle East or Africa, we should give them free corn and let them know it’s totally legal here? Hmmm

[@skylinefever]

@@grein545 I don't see how much will change if years of absolutely haram hellfire and brimstone have made people unwilling to use it or rub one off.

[@tuckerbugeater]

@@skylinefever it really helped Ted hone his skills

[@tsoliot5913]

Male sexuality is not inherently deleterious to society! We need to develop ANY bumpers on women's social power. Men will marry for families. It's all they want after maturity.

[@tuckerbugeater]

you should allow them to opt out. but you won't because you need an enemy or an inferior. someone that doesn't remind you of the futility of life.

[@Trizzer89]

I dont think there is too much to worry about with porn. If they actually create a daily addiction you will notice them holed up in their room. Then fix the issue. Probability of having a problem is low

[@matthewbentley7033]

Malcolm and Simone are the best, love the video.

[@liabobia]

Counterpoint, sorta: nofap and porn negativity might be dangerous on the societal level, but porn absolutely made sex more dangerous in just my lifetime (millennial) on the personal level, in two ways. First is that there was a direct correlation between male partners who watched porn and inflicted sexual violence on me, often with the excuse that it was "just what they were into" but I don't believe that most men actually want to punch women in the bedroom before porn. Second, men who watched porn before a relationship were usually unwilling to give it up in a relationship, and I never experienced a relationship where a man continued watching porn and maintened a healthy sexual interest over a long term. I think there's a critical difference between masturbating and porn use. I also think there's a huge difference between photographic porn and video. In both comparisons, the former is a lot less destructive than the latter. I think this is borne out in the research, and I look forward to the future discussion on the topic.

[@Adelina-293]

In general it made relationships worse. The Overton window kicked in and people got used to seeing the most extreme stuff and it became "normal". Also it leads to people being disappointed with the real thing.

[@maidende8280]

@@liabobia Men who watch much video porn for long get mentally broken imo, and often physically too.

[@TheBayzent]

There is a direct correlation between porn consumption and less sexual violence.

[@skylinefever]

@@TheBayzent It is argued that the guys who downloaded a lot of adult content tended to act really insensitive in the bedroom. I often make an argument for soling mysteries of sex by fathers buying a professional lady for his boys. It may have had various taboos throughout history, but it sure had a point. No knocking up classmates and derailing one's upward mobility.

[@LaFiZi]

Just a couple seconds into the video, not even a minute didn't even glance at the title but these comments sure make this seem like it's going to be interesting

[@maidende8280]

How often do you have sex as a couple? I agree sex should not be the basis of a relationship, but sexual attraction is important because it leads women to choose better, more genetically compatible mates (at least off hormonal birth control). And regular sex in marriage (with ejaculation into the woman) boosts unity, fertility & overall health. Removing arousal & sex in humans is a terrible idea imo.

[@kaybrown7733]

Yuck! How are you this invested in the bedroom lives of strangers? Conservative s really do want to police everyone's sex life and bedrooms. So weird!

[@hawaii_hardware]

By humans you strickly mean white people, right?

[@skylinefever]

@@maidende8280 I said that of hormonal BC makes women attracted to less masculine men, that is where KPop Stans come from.

[@maidende8280]

@@skylinefever No, I like K-pop boys and I’m not on HBC.

[@LP-dc7fh]

Agreed, sex is very important in a relationship. It’s a constantly reinforced bonding experience. Simone describes the pleasure of sex to be similar to a good meal… so maybe that’s skewing their perspective.

[@theredknight9314]

Yeah. But adult content does also have a serious negative effect on human mental capacity. I think the best solution is for everyone to be married

[@Planeet-Long]

27:40 Talking to women is easier, but if both will be seen as "life ruining actions" by men we will see more men do the former.

[@skylinefever]

@@Planeet-Long I frequently say "destroy the wrongful accusation mafia or nothing changes." Some critics might argue that getting whacked by the wrongful accusation mafia doesn't happen to everyone. However, how rarely does such a destructive thing have to happen to destroy all kinds of things.

[@bullethead1953]

A large negative effect of porn, addiction and over saturation, you have already solved by simply having kids share the bedroom. If they do watch porn it will only be occasionally. But if they had their own room, it could be daily

[@gunsarrus7836]

How would I be able to join you guys for a stream to discuss an alternative pro-natal social model?

[@Teawisher]

Chris Williamson is a really cool example of an "intellectual glow up" when his inner curious nerd is getting unleashed by no longer being repressed by toxic lad culture. So often I'm surprised by both him knowing some arcane philosophical concept and also still being a normie who isn't aware of pretty basic internet stuff. And like you said, he comes up with good hypotheses/takes. He is so much more cerebral than what one might initially think based on aesthetics. He is kinda like a more successfully truth seeking Joe Rogan. Seems like a really nice cultural influence especially as he can get through to the "bro" side of our culture that has some problems. Even if he might not usually be the cutting edge of human understanding I think it's actually more important to have stuff that helps big masses to be better and know more than satiate some weirdos who are more obsessed about truth.

[@jackr1734]

Her take on hypergamy and percentile economic divisions Is absolutly flipped on it's head

[@jackr1734]

I know men that are waiting for ai women and i really believe it won't be any better than actual women

[@GeoffryGifari]

I heard something similar to that Xerxes story, but with the mongols

[@jackr1734]

She refuses to believe ai is worse than women

[@LupinGaius-ls1or]

Women will just change behavior. The dating/mating market is where they get most of their power. AI training won’t change that. It’ll be seen as competition and they’ll just adapt to the incentives. Don’t play that game.

[@angamaitesangahyando685]

The decline in incel violence has coincided with the proliferation of cheap Chinese chastity devices. Coincidence? -I think- UwU - Adûnâi

[@fietsindeschie]

18:12 same bro totally same

[@BixxmixBixxehBixxi]

I'll have to go find it and It might actually not be there anymore, but it wasn't long ago, not this year and I don't think the last but it was already stated shooting reports would fall off. That struck me as weird.

[@Trizzer89]

No Fap is generally a good thing. You feel more alive if you at least wait a week. I think they should just change their objective to 60 days once and then less than weekly afterwards

[@skylinefever]

It works for some and not others. I did not get the upside. However, I only did it to not lose Pascal's Wager from the hellfire and brimstone. Maybe if my motivation was elsewhere, things could be different.

[@TheBayzent]

@@skylinefever Nor did I, but to be fair I also never got the bad effects of chronic masturbation either, I just spend entire months without masturbating or watching porn because...well the body doesn't ask me for it. Been watching porn since I was 9, so I think my body has just gotten used to it. I also still find weird that men could get ED before 75 because I genuinely don't know personally any man before 75 who has it.

[@bmardiney]

Why do you need to outsource a guide to flirting with girls to an AI when you could just, you know, teach them yourself?

[@new_game2589]

The sedation is the symptom/ coping mechanism, the root I believe is learned helplessness.

[@skylinefever]

@@new_game2589 How would anyone be able to unlearn the unlearned helplessness? I see it as a switch that gets flipped in people's minds. People do the things they are supposed to do, but never get the result they are supposed to get. Eventually the mind becomes habituated that efforts of energy are not rewarded, and therefore the body must conserve energy in any way possible. I like how psychologists decided to look at the depressed people stuck in shitty job markets and crime infested cities. They called it "Shit life syndrome." It was like people saw that nothing actually works, and people can't just get a motivational coach NPC script or Godpill to make life good.

[@new_game2589]

@skylinefever In order for an ingrained belief to change it must be repeatedly and consistently challenged and proven wrong, hence why learned helplessness is extremely resistant to change, little or no positive experiences to reference from (or a multitude of negative ones, which is even worse), poor environment, lack of support systems and having no sense of positive momentum or trajectory wears a person down, as willpower is a finite resource. The most insidious part is the malaise that sets in becomes repellent to others, the more conscientious are self aware of this fact self-isolate as a way to not offend others, and avoid further negative reinforcement. I'm currently struggling with this, I went through a bad breakup before covid hit and I've been on the self improvement and productivity train ever since, but the returns have diminished to the point I'm just spinning my wheels - work I now have to do just to not start going backwards. Nihilism is setting in, I discovered once achieved many of my goals did not not fix my life or were just a temporary distraction from pain and did not bring me any closer to deep and meaningful connections to other people which is what I really wanted. I find very few people genuine nowadays and most people's motivations seem to boil down to whether I can do things for them or have stuff they want, I find myself increasing isolated and socially alienated and have became a workaholic as a unhealthy cope. I don't know what to do anymore.

[@skylinefever]

@@new_game2589 I believe you are right, and the masses do suffer a lack of evidence. Perhaps the evidence is actively being destroyed.

[@new_game2589]

@@skylinefever Probably to some degree it's actively being destroyed, I think the ease of access to information the internet and social media provides makes it alot easier to reinforce a person's negative beliefs which can spiral into learned helplessness. That flipping of the switch you speak of I think is the point that negative belief becomes ingrained in the person, it's difficult to keep plodding along with blind optimism after seeing that the odds are heavily stacked against you and success Is anything but a guarantee, especially if the persons previous life experiences reflect this. It doesn't help that people innately have a negativity bias, ie they notice and remember negative experiences more strongly than positive ones. Once that switch gets flipped people devolve to the pleasure principle, more so to avoid pain than seek pleasure, there is also something called the "death drive" which I do not know enough about to really speak on, but to my layman's understanding would explain people's tendencies for self destructive behaviors when in the grip of nihilistic possession. I apologize I don't have any positive solutions, at least ones that I think realistically could happen.

[@skylinefever]

@@new_game2589 I don't believe there really are solutions, but I do not fully understand the situation. Perhaps these guys took up negative utilitarianism as a defense. They did everything they were supposed to do, and concluded that subjecting kids to such a lack of agency is cruel. Some argue that because many have not heard of antinatalism, it must not be a big deal. I say that nobody has to know the name antinatalism to be living it. Things like "I did not ask to be born" could be considered an antinatalist approach. The death drive makes me think of vikings. When out of hope in their own villages, why not go on raids? Maybe Valhalla won't be any worse than living as a non select man.

[@jamessgian7691]

Video Games

[@maidende8280]

And porn.

[@DudeSoWin]

@@maidende8280 To power on computer connect the male and female ports.

[@DudeSoWin]

All Planning is Fiction until it becomes Truth.

[@LiamLoves]

It's so true. Quiting games was one of the best things I've ever done. So much more drive and motivation.

[@skylinefever]

When Xi Jinpooh decided to crack down on video games, I said "The highest ranking communist in the world messes with the opiate of the masses."

[@timefades27]

100 people? 😂 You had an addiction Malcolm.

[@jackr1734]

Waking up at 2 sounded soooo capitalist glazing

[@ducodarling]

21:11 This is a terrible idea, because of this 23:25 Unless the training for this AI is involuntary, the women will just lie. They'll put on their pretty face, and say what they think someone else would like to hear. It's like asking a mother to teach their son how to treat women. It wont work.

[@billusher2265]

Do an episode on the atomization of society

[@jesush7662]

Please please share the flirting/rejection chatbot 🙏

[@chthulu27]

4:56, hold on Malcolm, in previous videos, you've called Chris Williamson a reproductive failure for not having any children. What's up with that? Were you talking about a different Chris Williamson?

[@shayes610]

I would not consider Hentai/AI porn a based take

[@emanlive7832]

This video un-ironically advocates for forced mandatory corn sessions for men who choose nofap. this is some bizarro reverse handmaids tale

[@adamfillman9020]

I’ve been wondering the same thing myself

[@Planeet-Long]

19:45 I don't like watching poron (obviously the topic discussed), I never liked it, as a teenager I tried watching it but I never really liked it, to me it was never really good because I never found the story believable and I need to conjur up a story in my mind in order to actually satisfy my needs in that field. Funnily enough, my first girlfriend and also my current wife do watch poron. So, for me it was always obvious that those romance novels with long-haired musclular men on them were exactly that. Interestingly enough, I actually found a poron novel from the 1970's written by a man for men, the book actually takes 100 pages, a marriage, and several years into that marrage to get into the poron. It's a 300 page long novel and it's literally called "love-film" (with "love" here meaning love-making, so the title doesn't contain the word love but the s-word), so Baby Boomer men in their youths actually had more similar tastes in poron as women do than they have to men today. Apparently, these types of novels for men were an entire industry back in the 1970's but likely stopped being a thing when the internet was rising.

[@TheBayzent]

Yeah I tend to gravitate more to hentai for this same reason. Although there are some 70's porn that was pretty good by giving you context and some resemblance of a history before starting the smut.

[@marcuscole1994]

They are sedating men from corn to weed.