According to Hill, LeBron basically gave up on his team in Game 4 of the 2018 NBA Finals. Website: www.basketballnetwork.net Facebook / basketballnetwork.net Instagram: / basketball.network
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@jd261621 күн бұрын
The media has created this goat debate, LeBron has NEVER been on the same level as Michael Jordon.
@user-sy7ds9nd7r7 күн бұрын
So true
@MrWoodstar12 күн бұрын
Obviously
@ChristopherNealBUSHIDO49ERS24 күн бұрын
There is no debate. Period. Michael Jeffrey Jordan
@shanemoore679314 күн бұрын
Absolutely I don't care if he plays till he's 50
@77self_made7725 күн бұрын
Poor excuse about “broken hand” when he was dappin up his son at the end of the game with the same hand
@GEO-xx6sq21 күн бұрын
lefraud was clearly lying
@userjlj21 күн бұрын
agree, I don't see him having a problem dunking the ball so hard.. that alone tells you he is making an excuse again because he already gave up after game 1..
@munoken22 күн бұрын
Bruh he never had a chance to be THE GOAT.. HE WAS NEVER BETTER THAN AIR JORDAN. PERIOD
@roblacitinola8664 күн бұрын
He's not near as good as Larry Legend either...
@justinkassinger823824 күн бұрын
LeBron always folds when it counts
@marvin482721 күн бұрын
Thats his Hallmark...
@jetzhowz20 күн бұрын
Just ask Dirk
@rushindragin36124 күн бұрын
LEBRON IS A CLOWN AND ALWAYS QUITS AND BLAMES EVERYONE ELSE
@9816719 күн бұрын
agreed: after halftime, his motivation just nose dives. when offense/defense is near him & he has a face of a person who doesn’t know what to do!? I have to admit, the man isn’t young anymore. Quit, while you’re somewhat ahead.
@CB0108317 күн бұрын
💯
@aarongordon450712 күн бұрын
Always? Stop it! Regurgitating info🥴
@roderickl953924 күн бұрын
Lebron will never be considered the G.O.A.T..
@BasketballNetwork21 күн бұрын
There will definitely be a strong push to have him in the GOAT conversations after his career is over!
@Brooklyn-SOD21 күн бұрын
@@BasketballNetwork 20 years from now, people will still be asking " Is xxx the next Jordan " and most will have left out Lebron's name as they do now with Kobe's.
@sheltonwilliams965620 күн бұрын
@@Brooklyn-SOD Kobe resume is far from Lebron’s no comparison
@Kalou1120 күн бұрын
@@BasketballNetwork after 2011 conv ended
@SilentMovements30519 күн бұрын
@sheltonwilliams9656 MJ n Kobe shouldn't be mentioned in the same convo wit brom
@remnant889824 күн бұрын
Actually, you could see that Bron mentally quit the series after the regulation of Game 1.
@justinkassinger823824 күн бұрын
Remember, Kyrie won the championship. Not LeBron
@JohnSmith-nj4zq22 күн бұрын
Lebron choked, Kyrie didn't. That's why they won. The same when he was with the Heat, Wade and Ray Allen didn't choke.
@jdmintegradp21 күн бұрын
Thank you, thank you, thank you for finally telling the truth.
@Rapastoned21 күн бұрын
Kyrie doesn't get his credit LeBron was first option they went down 3-1 Kyrie started to be first option had LeBron n da corner they win first ring n Cleveland
@BasketballNetwork21 күн бұрын
That version of Kyrie was incredibly deadly and clutch!
@i.m.675821 күн бұрын
That’s a lie. Check the stats.
@remnant889824 күн бұрын
A grueling Eastern Conference run? They went 7 games against a Pacers team led by Oladipo, a Raptors team who become toothless in the playoffs, and a Boston team led by a Rookie and 2nd year player to 7 games. Not to mention, the refs kept the Cavs in those series for most of the games. The East was ridiculously weak.
@BasketballNetwork21 күн бұрын
The East is no better now as well, it's been weak like this for years.
@videovaulttv121 күн бұрын
True story
@TheRealMusic4Life22 күн бұрын
Really wish Grant Hill would have never had that lingering injury. He would have been another player that Lebron would not have been able to surpass without narrative and media propagation of the narrative.
@BasketballNetwork21 күн бұрын
Prime Grant Gill was a joy to watch, amazing player.
@cameroncobbin24 күн бұрын
The nail in the coffin was when he only got two in Miami out of 4 years with a super team... you can give him the benefit of the doubt for that first year (building team chemistry) but failing to threepeat when MJ has two threepeats ... another way to put it is if you replace Bron with prime MJ on those teams they would probably win all 4 but at the very least 3 I mean MJ won 6 with only one other all-star Bron had two all star teammates and Wade was already a champion
@kirbyaugustine76122 күн бұрын
… and he b*tched up in 2011 against the Mavs and got outplayed by Jason Terry and JJ Barrera.’
@aloominknottyheadtap90022 күн бұрын
I agree with both of you. But for me, it was how he responded after losing its 2011. The way he passive aggressively dissed the fans saying. Oh, you'll never have my life yada yada... Sure, no one has been as heavily scrutinized as Lebron. But no one has been glorified as much either. Just a lack of mental fortitude.
@BasketballNetwork21 күн бұрын
That Miami Heat squad somewhat underperformed because they were loaded with players at every position.
@rjatom277221 күн бұрын
The real and long standing question is... "What GOAT Debate???"
@joelgarcia390724 күн бұрын
Lebron was never in the running. MJ, Magic, Bird, Kobe, Shaq made people watch the game. Lebron has the whole NBA promote him so people will watch. Yet when we do, well….he just loses. Over and over and over and over. And he’s lazy
@TheRealMusic4Life22 күн бұрын
Thank You. I don't know why people don't see it
@BasketballNetwork21 күн бұрын
How do you mean he is lazy? One of the things LeBron does really well is invest in his career and his body which a lot of other guys simply don't do.
@userjlj21 күн бұрын
I agree with everyone in your list except shaq.. most dominant, maybe but not the greatest of all time.. shaq was lazy but kobe said it best.. if shaq worked out, he'd be the greatest of all time..
@robertomarrerog70321 күн бұрын
@@BasketballNetwork ehhh invest in the way of epd´s you mean??
@BasketballNetwork20 күн бұрын
@@robertomarrerog703 It's hard to believe in that since the league is pretty strict with epd's but then again you never know these days.
@downinit286621 күн бұрын
Fake narrative. Lebron has never been the best. Good at building super teams in different cities. Stop saying goat. Literally satanic.
@markezlaws182515 сағат бұрын
The Bulls were a super team what you talking about.
@omez2325 күн бұрын
LePed's hand wasn't broken, it was bruised. He has excuses after every loss.
@Rapastoned21 күн бұрын
It always it his team fault like he didn't put the team together 😂
@bobhu21 күн бұрын
For most NBA fans, LeBorn was never in GOAT conversation.
@baseballsux219 күн бұрын
“Leborn”? You can’t even spell his name properly. Show some respect for the GOAT! The proper spelling is “LeFlop”.
@zrocks200121 күн бұрын
Grant Hill is right. Lebron gives half-hearted efforts way too often to be in a GOAT debate
@arroyo346721 күн бұрын
When he disappeared against the Mavs in the finals I knew he wasn't the goat...
@BasketballNetwork20 күн бұрын
That was a poor series for him but you have to admit he had some memorable performances in the NBA Finals.
@arroyo346720 күн бұрын
@@BasketballNetwork no doubt, he is a great player but I can't put him over MJ
@ryckless123 күн бұрын
We want to be like "Mike" 😉
@mozain653722 күн бұрын
And after outstaying his welcome I think it's safe to say at this point we just want Lebron gone 😉
@eastbee103421 күн бұрын
Lebron "EMPTY STATS" James
@shaieresmirnoff21 күн бұрын
I remember how grant was disappointed with him then Grant lost analyst jobs after being critical of lebron
@Defiant620 күн бұрын
I owe someone a MAJOR apology. I got into it with a friend's brother on Facebook about a week ago regarding Michael Jordan and Lebron James. I mentioned how he was still able to get the Lakers to the playoffs at his age even though they couldn't advance out of the first round and that Jordan couldn't do that with Wizards. I also mentioned stuff about how he got to more NBA Finals than almost anyone in the history of the NBA though he could only win 4 of them. He then tore apart my arguments of him reaching those Finals and how truly poorly he did in most of them. I grew up in the Jordan era and got to see Jordan play so not saying that Jordan isn't the GOAT, but I thought with Lebron getting to 10 championships and at least winning 4 of them, he deserved to be in the top 5. Now after watching videos and highlights of his career, I can see how WRONG I was. I have NEVER seen someone throw so many hissy fits when things didn't go his way and he wouldn't get back on defence because of it and a lot of times that would cause the other team to score! WTH?! The fact that he also mentally checked out of that Finals game proved right there that he can never be the GOAT. Jordan would've never done that and would've fought hard to the bitter end.
@BonyT276815 күн бұрын
Couldn’t really care less whether Bron is “the GOAT” or not; but on this question the opinion of Hill-with ZERO rings-doesn’t matter.
@zipo103922 күн бұрын
of course not Goat at all .
@mikelliteras39719 күн бұрын
Same thing he did with Miami. Wade got them the 2 championships, he quit in the 1st and 4th Finals.
@stebbiej21 күн бұрын
They showed him the next day throwing a football around😂😂😂
@BLACKSTONEPOET15 күн бұрын
This is why the "f'ck the 90's" trend started.
@gn149520 күн бұрын
The moment I realised it was in 2011 NBA finals
@paulusrumanouw317621 күн бұрын
Hill is being generous! LBJ case already disqualified from being the GOAT since 2011 vs Dallas.
@GEO-xx6sq21 күн бұрын
JORDAN.........ENOUGH SAID
@MrEliasdl18 күн бұрын
This is proof why his numbers don't mean crap.
@SealofPerfection10 күн бұрын
Facing elimination, you think you're the GOAT and you only take 13 shots? Nope. Gotta go down fighting.
@Rainbow6ixx16 күн бұрын
Lebron alone was not beating that 2017 Golden State Warriors which included KD! You guys are tripping. Basketball is a team sport. Clearly the GSW had the better team. Even the 2014 Spurs were a great team. They swept everyone on their way to the finals except the Miami Heat. MJ won NOTHING without Pippen and was good despite. I used to watch MJ team members shooting as if they can't miss, while LBJ team mates constantly shot bricks when it mattered (perfect example the episode in game one of the 2018 finals with the missed free throw and JR Smith which cost them a win). All the losses LBJ received in all his Finals, had his TEAM MATES been consistent, the narrative today would have been, "His team mates carried him!" Damn if you do and damn if you don't! 🤷♂
@willstarjacki967725 күн бұрын
LeBron is not even in Top 10 All-Time let alone the GOAT conversation
@rep22725 күн бұрын
Ragebait
@reginalddennis646625 күн бұрын
Agreed
@SubParGaming-du2fy24 күн бұрын
He’s 15-20
@willstarjacki967724 күн бұрын
@@SubParGaming-du2fy I would rank him at either 11 or 12th spot. At the end of his career he might crack Top 10 but I hardly believe that would actually happen.
@Sure_Sir24 күн бұрын
I actually, at one point, had him top three. Then top five. Now, maybe, somewhere in the top 10. His longevity is hurting his legacy. The constant whining, playing the blame game, choking in crucial moments, flopping, and trying to change the narrative seems so pathetic compared to the all times greats. Those who allow the fans to argue and decide.
@marcuswalker363118 күн бұрын
Grant Hill was on course for an amazing all-time career until that injury and its rehabilitation/recovery derailed everything.
@AaronPICAR4 күн бұрын
LOSING RECORD vs UNDEFEATED
@imhong2821 күн бұрын
Grueling Eastern conference run? Weaker East compared to 2024.
@alejandrobarrionuevo99575 күн бұрын
i STILL DONT UNDERSTAND HOW ANYONE DARES TO COMPARE Lebron James TO 'Michael Jordan'.
@PabluchoViision20 күн бұрын
Good video but people really need to stop calling him “The King.” He isn’t. It’s a self- given title, and it contributes to the problem by validating and enabling this guy’s sick self- obsession.
@legallinebacker1121 күн бұрын
Lol. This youtuber is obviously a Lebron James fan. Everyone knows Lebron did not have a broken hand in that series - he used the cast as a prop to give him an excuse - something Lebron is known to do - King of Excuses. And everyone knows Lebron's biggest meltdowns happened in previous Finals Series where he failed to show up against Dallas and against San Antonio -- series where Lebron completely disappeared and was accused of quitting on his teammates. .......... Lebron will never be considered The GOAT. That is something that was completely made up for clicks, views and to create interest.
@slyman396 күн бұрын
Character also counts In my book. Most of the guys whose names come up in the GOAT conversation couldn’t carry LeBron’s jock strap when it comes to morals and as good examples to our young of how a professional athlete should be … that certainly includes MJ, Kobe, Wilt, Shaq, and Magic!
@rell321019 күн бұрын
He scores but not when it matters the most
@jfearless34202 күн бұрын
The greatest team ever assembled was the 1996 Chicago Bulls.
@SonicBoomC9822 күн бұрын
Lebron was never a true GOAT candidate. Him fading in the most important parts of games has been going on most of his career. There was nothing to cement. That Warriors team being the best ever is debatable.
@GS-mh6ub21 күн бұрын
Although LeBron James is a highly regarded basketball player, I believe his ranking among the all-time greats is not as high as some might suggest. I would place him somewhere in the top 10, but I do not believe he belongs in the top 2.
@pellpa21 күн бұрын
And don’t forget to add the only reason he faced a super team was because he started that super team building idea first!
@walllee647019 күн бұрын
His hand was wrapped in his wife’s scarf 😂😂😂
@Mike1122.18 күн бұрын
Poor LeBusto had to play in the tough east for 15 seasons.
@joseyeastwood20 күн бұрын
LeCreatine isn’t even a top ten Laker in my opinion,hell i would put Kurt Rambis over that mf.
@johnjamesleahy40658 күн бұрын
I don't really care for LeBron as a person with his viewpoints but I do respect that he did a lot in the game and I'm sure he was under an immense amount of pressure but the thing is when people like Kobe or Jordan were under a lot of pressure they thrived And that has to say something About LeBron...
@barrybradley59957 күн бұрын
When Lefraud wins it’s all him, when they lose, it’s everyone else!!!!
@marcoa.sotosr.797320 күн бұрын
Air Max 1's are my favorite Travis Scott sneaker !!!! Just in case I am selected I'm a size 9.5, lol!
@gabrieldarius_21 күн бұрын
Jordan magic kareem Kobe Russell Bird and I have Shaq and Duncan ahead of Lebron
@marvellis676221 күн бұрын
LeBron not even a clean athlete. Nowhere near MJ levels.... or Kobe!
@alexlanza7913 күн бұрын
They created the LeBron case against MJ based on stats and some results, but the truth is that LeBron needs some big names to win and even then he can't win as much and when the wind stops blowing in the direction he prefers, he leaves and in the meantime has coaches fired and entire teams changed to accommodate his playing style, for these facts alone which are well documented, there are many more players above him than just MJ!
@wee680121 күн бұрын
never ending saga? 😂 There was never a Goat debate. Jordan period.
@robertomarrerog70321 күн бұрын
#broke hand" one of the greatest excuse often used after that game everytime he doesnt fullfill or is scare to even play in some strong teams match-ups
@gerardoarambula86136 күн бұрын
Grant Hill is not a HOF
@paulbacigalupi822417 күн бұрын
He’s not a killer
@cynga60673 күн бұрын
Same shit happened in 2011 finals when he basically disappearing in all of the 4th quarters in the series and only averaging only 17.8 points 😮 GOAT? 😂😂😂 Btw, he was out played by Jason Terry 😅
@LungMing2319 күн бұрын
Almost as bad as 2011 finals. Thats when i knew he wasn't the real deal.
@chiwil243013 күн бұрын
He didn’t have no broken hand that’s big 🧢 he would’ve been crying on the court the whole time stop it 😂
@michaelhunziker728721 күн бұрын
LeFlop played a long time. That's it
@dredey19717 күн бұрын
Not the GOAT? Why the comparison?
@willthebeast800211 күн бұрын
God blessed young LeBron with everything, except struggle.
@bobcrump810520 күн бұрын
I think he has "handlers" involved with the sports betting industry and China that dictate how he 'finishes' a game or series. Nuff said.
@kagepoker14 күн бұрын
He's not even top 5
@kc10lee21 күн бұрын
LeBum will never be the GOAT!!! Please STOP IT!!!!!
@DesmondDaddy19 күн бұрын
I think this whole debate thing is a crock of 💩 by those who have an agenda to make Lefraud the face of the current NBA, and I don’t necessarily disagree. And I’m not sure who, when, or how his lackluster and mediocre performance in those moments that separated the all time greats from the pretenders, maybe it’s a number of sources. From the MSM talking heads, I won’t drop any names because we know who they are, the cult of 4/6ers and insufferable fanboys. But basketball purists have never or will never put the King of turnovers, missed shots, flopping, and complaining in an GOAT convo…period! “The king we all know and love”… really dude? You making a funny…right? 😏
@SilentMovements30519 күн бұрын
They had to lower the bar for the fraud once they noticed he wasn't that guy
@DesmondDaddy19 күн бұрын
@@SilentMovements305You hit the nail on the head. I totally agree.
@KeeshanCook-qm8mj19 күн бұрын
Dog hand won't broke his heart was
@JayDay3221 күн бұрын
I mean Lebron fails in 3 places. His peak falls short of MJs peak. His rings fall short of MJs rings. The look of Lebrons games looks less than MJs game. MJ just looks different, he has go to moves but also had crazy cool moves. Lebron is bully ball but even that is short of Shaq. Shaq was better in bully ball.
@michaelhunziker728721 күн бұрын
Truth
@user-ld7ew1xo2h20 күн бұрын
If LeBron wants to continue to play, he must leave to China and take his pet son along.
@emotionalintelligence77621 күн бұрын
Well it aint like the 2011 Finals never happened prior to this. I mean maybe for Bosh and Wade who couldnt believe the balls deepest choke job this dude threw down after proclaiming how many championship, not one not two.... That finals in 2011 and then again in 2018 showed right there why he'd never be the GOAT and why it was amedia NBA driven debate for ratings nothing more nothing less. But hey its just Basketball right, purely for your entertainment with very little Sport or IQ required. Kobe broke how many bodyparts and STILL played and Won, but yall right he aint like Kobe he aint even close.
@jig105618 күн бұрын
I’m so fed up of this whole stupid goat debate. The old heads romanticize about Michael Jordan and there is nothing that’s really going to change that. Jordan is great. He’s number one on my list but you’ll be acting like LeBron is not right there. Jordan never took a team as mediocre as some of LeBron‘s teams to an NBA finals and Jordan never played against a team as as spectacular as the Golden State Warriors. Period
@time4jesus20 күн бұрын
I would put Lebron at number thirteen... ...Among the current crop of NBA players.
@Anderson100.20 күн бұрын
Lebron isn’t the goat because he couldn’t beat a super team by himself?? He was literally playing with people who weren’t aware of the score of a game they were playing in haha
@unnaturalselection833015 күн бұрын
LeChoke isn't even top 50 for me. Sure, he's always had a weak mentality and been willing to cheat as much as possible ala carrying, charging and flopping ...but look at his stats the one year he faced actual handchecking defense. 40% shooting from a power forward? Get out of here.
@user-mx3hu5lm7q21 күн бұрын
lebron is great. hes on my top 200
@Mr300zx9019 күн бұрын
HILL IS SPOT ON GOAT ARE WINNERS HELLO
@antonioladd18619 күн бұрын
The east was weak it was never grueling
@jerrylattimore923213 күн бұрын
WHAT BROKEN HAND?????? EXCUSES AS USUAL. 😅
@tharris190616 күн бұрын
LeBron is the BEST PLAYER I HAVE EVER SEEN. I am 42 years old and have seen a lot. Jordan, best winner. No one has all the skills that LeBron had/has.
@Peony_herbabies91422 күн бұрын
Not everyone can be a leader on the floor and off the floor!! LBJ is an example!! LBJ is top ten greatest player of all time!! Not bad for being top ten!!
@RobertLegereIII18 күн бұрын
“we all know and love”…. Speak for yourself, dude. I can’t stand Lebron and can’t wait for his stain to he lifted from the nba.
@tdjakes12119 күн бұрын
Lebron James is the only player in NBA history the could put up 40 points, 20 rebounds and 15 assists and still face criticism.
@SilentMovements30519 күн бұрын
Also the only player in history to call himself the goat while having a 4-6 record in the Finals same time having the media n fans saying he makes his teammates better
@tdjakes12119 күн бұрын
@@SilentMovements305 Going to the nba finals 10 times is an unbelievable accomplishment, I don’t care what his record is. There are hall of fame players that haven’t even gone once let alone 10 times.
@SilentMovements30519 күн бұрын
@tdjakes121 the objective of the game is to win championships. The record books don't care for delusional mindset n participation admiration.
@tdjakes12119 күн бұрын
@@SilentMovements305 How many top players in nba history have more than 4 championships?
@SilentMovements30519 күн бұрын
@tdjakes121 here we go wit the deflection. How many players has had multiple all stars multiple first round picks most top 75 players as teammates yet has 104 playoff losses
@daveton90332 күн бұрын
cause Nike will never offer any Air Jordan deal to no body, Suck-ups!
@AbdulDean44821 күн бұрын
Lebron is really top 15 at best, it is Klutch sports paying people to make him look like he is the GOAT
@alihakimi170721 күн бұрын
Lebron isn’t even top 3 in the debate
@c.anthonyc3262 күн бұрын
Funny!! U haters are so triggered by LeBron. It's all subjective man. Y'all talk so bad about him but can't hold his jock. Btw I'm old enough to remember MJ getting his ass beat in the playoffs and in the reg. Season. Maybe, just maybe phil Jackson is the goat
@usmc29er4417 күн бұрын
Not even as good as Kobe
@earnestmcmiller545514 күн бұрын
MJ All day not even close
@JohnDoeTroll17 күн бұрын
Not top ten
@frankiefernandez922521 күн бұрын
Lebron ain’t even close to being the goat
@victorsuarez39 күн бұрын
Le Cry Baby
@JPHellaHard280020 күн бұрын
Who cares what Grant Hill has to say he never won anything in the NBA and 👑 James is the all time leading scorer while being a pass first player and won a championship with every team he played for while reaching 8 strait finals top 5 dead or alive
@MrSlashblade23 күн бұрын
Just anybody ever take the whole picture, this was a guy who round after round, game after game, minute after minute was putting up Herculean efforts. The margin between LeBron and the next best cav the entire 2018 was a canyon. You can’t even say a guy like Kobe or Jordan wouldn’t give up because they’d never be in the position. It was a bad second half, but to dismiss him from the goat debate because he isn’t superhuman meanwhile people will excuse Jordan 19 point foul out in only the third game of the series of the 1986 Celtics by saying but he put up 63. Just felt no matter the outcome even beating the warriors you’d still convince yourself it’s not enough. Because I don’t know how anybody has that poor of judgment.
@TheRealMusic4Life22 күн бұрын
This is foolishness. He's not in the GOAT debate, primarily because of his abysmal Final Record. Can't be the best, if you can't BEAT the best. No, he hasn't been enough - Multiple Times. Don't even need to get into all the other problems. The Finals Record is enough.
@MrSlashblade22 күн бұрын
@@TheRealMusic4Life no it hasn’t. You might be too young to know this, but Finals Record was never a prerequisite to being great. No one says Hondo is the greatest Celtic forward because he had an 8-0 record while Bird only had a paltry 3-2 record. People considered Dr J at one point a top 5 player, and in the NBA he had a horrid 1-3 record in the finals. In 2007 nobody had ever claim that Duncan could be in conversations for the GOAT because he was at the time 4-0, and even when San Antonio had Miami on the ropes not a single word was uttered about Duncan being potentially 5-0. Even now while having a 5-1 record (3-0 in the 2000) many people still consider the 2000 Kobe’s era despite being 5-2 (4-2 in the 2000 with one fmvp). It’s always funny when at the moment of years like 2015, 2017, and 2018, after the final buzzer people just look at LeBron in awe and recognize he was the best player in the series, and even try to get him to win fmvp, only for a couple of days to go by and just say he lost as if he was the worst player. LeBron is there when it matter the most, he just goes against greater teams. This isn’t a comic book, you don’t win against all odds. Jordan didn’t even win unless the odds were in his favor
@TheRealMusic4Life22 күн бұрын
@MrSlashblade no son. Championships do matter. There are players with MORE than Jordan, and we still consider Jordan the best, because of the way that he did it, and the way his accolades were just so stacked in different categories. So you guys need to stop these pages and pages of excuses for Lebron - it doesn't change anything. A player CANNOT, repeat CANNOT BE the "goat" with a losing Finals record. And I think you're too young to understand what manipulating stats looks like. It's been a big part of Lebrons career, and its deception.
@MrSlashblade22 күн бұрын
@@TheRealMusic4Life you just contradicted yourself again, championship matter to the point Jordan with a 5 ring deficit to Bill can be made up but LeBron with a 2 ring deficit isn’t a conversation? You are making an excuse. LeBron literally has better overall finals number, from a 2015-2018 finals runs jordan has no stretch of finals even close to that. Both from them at their best to just overall LeBron beats Jordan. It’s just that Jordan’s inferior numbers are able to get by because he’s only gone against at most 2 HoFers. Just LeBron in his first finals performance he saw 3, potentially 4 if they ever give Bowens the nod. Jordan is right time right place because watching both of them Jordan easily had to do less and produced less. Making excuses for Jordan is what you wanna be old heads do
@TheRealMusic4Life22 күн бұрын
@MrSlashblade I never contradicted myself. You also obviously missed the point where I said WHY we consider MJ goat even though there are players with more rings - it's because of THE WAY HE DID IT. His skill set amd donination of the league as a 2 guard, plus being a great defender, ultimately the most COMPLETE player ever. Ya'll can cry about it and stand on cumulative stats all day (that manipulation I mentioned), but Lebron is not the better player. Also not 2nd best. And while rings is not the ONLY consideration, a player certainly CANNOT have a losing Finals Record and be considered goat. It's foolishness. Ya'll can fight it all you want. It's just stupid and it's a lie.
@phillipschuman430721 күн бұрын
I used to consider Grant Hill smart, because he is so well spoken. This from him is a silly stupid take, to say one half can tell you something about a player's greatness, in his 15th season. Does he remember Bron picked up three fouls in the 3rd quarter, and that gave him 5 on the game? One away from an ejection? All of his drives can be called a charge, if he took that risk, he could be out and then the Cavs would have zero chance. The Cavs shot .345 from the field and just .680 from the line, even including Bron's .538 from the field and .831 from the line. I remember the GOAT who had put up 49 points and then 63 points (averaging 56 ppg), who, finally back at home to avoid the sweep, scored just 19 points. Dropping his series average by 13 ppg in just one game. He had plenty of other weak playoff performances as well. We do not judge GOAT candidates by their worst moments (they ALL had failures), but by their sum total of peak achievements. Bron has plenty of those, too.
@lovenlightman23 күн бұрын
What about the series that Lebron beat Golden ,scored more then 40 points a game?
@la_nomercy23 күн бұрын
He never scored more than 40ppg against the Warriors. He had some 40 point games, but he never averaged 40.
@TheRealMusic4Life22 күн бұрын
I think this must have been in your wet dream that you had about him. He never scored more than 40 points a game in a series. The GREAT MJ didn't even do that. See, this is the foolishness. A lot of you guys just don't know the real game of basketball at all.
@la_nomercy22 күн бұрын
@@TheRealMusic4Life The GREAT MJ actually did do that… 5 times! One of them was in the NBA Finals (41.0ppg vs Phoenix Suns 1992-93 season). As for the others… -43.7 ppg vs Boston Celtics 1985-86 -45.2 ppg vs Cleveland Cavaliers 1987-88 -43.0 ppg vs Philadelphia 76ers 1989-90 -45.0 ppg vs Miami Heat 1991-92 So it’s not foolishness for Michael Jordan to do that, especially multiple times (MJ is the only player to average 40+ppg in a series more than once) But LeBron has never averaged 40ppg in any series ever for his career.
@TheRealMusic4Life22 күн бұрын
@la_nomercy I'll stand corrected! MJ had such phenomenal numbers, I thought the highest he averaged in a playoff series was around 38.5. I'm definitely not the robotic stat guy tho, I stand corrected.
@la_nomercy22 күн бұрын
@@TheRealMusic4Life I think 38.5 is the highest LeBron averaged in a series. I’m not 100% sure on that, but I know LeBron did average 38.5ppg against the Magic in the 2009 ECF.
@jeffersonbrown475022 күн бұрын
Its crazy how being great for a long period of time is being held against him by ppl trying to argue points here😂😂😂. He was great enough at 18 and still great enough 2 entire decades later and youre going to hold it against him 😂😂. Youre on crack.