The Excommunication of Vince Ingenito | Sacred Symbols+ Episode 152

There was a time when IGN's Vince Ingenito was one of mainstream gaming media's foremost fighting game experts, critics, and writers. Then, in late 2017, he lost it all almost as quickly as he earned it. And, no, you haven't heard from him since. That's because this is Vince's first public appearance since he was "MeToo'd," losing his job and his reputation in the process. What happened? Where has Vince been? And, perhaps most importantly, did Vince deserve his excommunication? Did the punishment fit the crime? That, as always, is for you to determine.
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[@tchallaw3st]

Great conversation again, Colin. Now Marty Sliva next please.

[@remakeyourself]

Upvote this man! That story is sooooo odd. The dude just disappeared for like 2 years then randomly showed back up and is making AWESOME content nowadays. What the hell happened? Do we deserve to know? Nope. Do we want to know? Uh huh.

[@strife9878]

Colin replied to me in a comment a few months back. It seems he already tried to get Marty onboard but he hasn't replied to his emails. Kinda of a bummer, Colin and Marty were among the most I used to watch for during the Ign era

[@sakran2975]

He had a substance abuse problem from what I heard. Probably got clean and came back. That weirdo Alyna or whatever from Australia got him fired from what I heard though. I think he had a crush on her because she flirted with him all the time on podcast and other videos and he took it too far and she reported him.

[@matthewevans3543]

The rumour is that it had something to do with Alannah and that's why she left too

[@mrshmuga9]

@@strife9878 Depending on what happened (there’s various rumours from alcoholism to hitting on Alannah), in his case I understand. Whether if he’s guilty or innocent, he probably doesn’t want to make himself a target. Years have passed (and if it was his fault, maybe he’s changed), and there’s no benefit to bringing it back up. Especially since he’s still in the industry so it’s not like he’s completely kicked out, he’s at The Escapist. He essentially restarted with a clean slate. I imagine he might not have replied to Colin, simply because a response is one step closer and something you can discuss. No response is a dead-end. Plus, after starting fresh, he probably doesn’t want to risk throwing that away by associating with Colin, simply because of the inane backlash Colin gets. It took a long time for Marty to get back into the industry (at least publicly). It’s unfortunate, but it’s also not our business at the end of the day. Sucks for fans and Colin, but I can certainly respect that Marty has rebuilt his reputation and handling it with care. 2 years is not nothing.

[@KZ3fps]

Vince's story isn't unlike many stories that people experience at work. You work at a place long enough, you develop relationships and friendships with people, sometimes with the opposite sex. Those lines can get crossed quite easily. One of my best friends is a female I met through work, and we often talked about taboo topics while at work. Luckily for me, both of us had the same understanding that we are friends, but at any time she could have done the same thing that Kallie did to Vince. And while Colin will tiptoe around the topic and Vince is too nice of a person to put any attention or pressure on Kallie, I won't. I do think IGN's HR department got it right. They must have evidence that the sort of comments Vince admitted to making were in some way a reciprocated thing. Kallie also responded to Colin's video about his own harassment he received online and outright online stalking that Colin endured with the following: "Nothing quite like watching a man complain about "harassment" that does not even come close to anything that women and PoC deal with just for existing, and then admitting that he didn't care about online abuse until it "happened" to him." If that doesn't tell you exactly everything you need to know about Kallie, then I don't know what else to say. She expects you to not question the "abuse" she received from Vince while also downplaying the abuse that Colin went through. She's a massive hypocrite. And I'm glad that Colin had Vince on his show because I do think how he was treated was massively unfair. For him to be on a list with Harvey fucking Weinstein is absolutely ridiculous. So here is what everyone should learn from Vince's story: If you are friends with a female coworker, make sure that your comments cannot be used against you later on if things go sour. This is difficult to keep in mind, especially when you get comfortable with someone. But treat those friendships with caution and never jeopardize your job with comments you make.

[@Brody_Low]

@@strikexforce She used Vince to gain short term clout while it completely dismantled his life. You can tell he isn't happy. He beats himself and just owns it, very sad to see.

[@KZ3fps]

@@strikexforce it was known at the time, that's why IGN employees staged a walk-out. Here is what a Kotaku article said in 2017 (i hate using Kotaku but it had the most info): "What bothered Plagge the most, she said during a phone call, was what happened after she and her co-worker reported the incident to IGN’s human resources department in July 2016. Plagge said that she and the other woman were told to sit and work in a glass conference room-“a fishbowl”-while IGN decided what to do. Then, Plagge said, she was forced to sign a document saying that she had conducted herself inappropriately, without being told what she had done. The document, which Plagge shared with Kotaku, stated: “With regards to the investigation of harassment, evidence was presented to show a lack of professionalism in your part as well as others. Communication between you and Vince were both inappropriate, unprofessional, and violated our harassment policy.” What I find hilarious about this is that she is complaining about not knowing what she had done, the same exact thing Vince wanted to know. When it happens to her, it's a problem, but Vince apparently isn't allowed to know what he allegedly did. Once again, it's hypocrisy. And for the staff to stage a walk out because an investigation was done and both were found at fault is ridiculous. Why have an investigation if you're just going to disregard the results because they aren't what you like? It's lunacy. It should also be noted that Schreier didn't reach out to Vince for comment, which is honestly par for the course when you have an agenda.

[@sterlingkart9562]

Exactly! She played victim and throw this man under the bus and now she's where? Gamespot, being notorious for not only being the "7.8 too much water" chick but also the reviewer who didn't really play Cyberpunk 2077. Her attitude proves the type of person she is and she's that person whose gonna play that card. Smh

[@gurgamous]

"Nothing quite like watching a man complain about "harassment" that does not even come close to anything that women and PoC deal with just for existing..." ugh, only the most insufferable people would say something like this. It also tells me theyre at the point that they use victimhood as some sort of scepter of power over others to discredit a claim or opinion they might have on the matter. It's profoundly cowardly, manipulative and dishonest. Great op btw, kz3fps. nailed it

[@Brankokovac]

Cringe

[@Preskryption]

Kallie 100% exploited Vince. Ironic that he’s the one that was labeled the predator.

[@Ranger.TomGunna]

Yeah Vince seems like a nice dude but this woman ruined his career, he needs to be pissed and stand up to this bullshit!

[@anthonysanchez7538]

I remember him. Man, I always wondered how serious this was. Colin always delivers the good, with the best interviews!

[@ElliottTrout]

this is why Colin is the man. the people that hate Colin would never give him the opportunity to get his side of the story out like he is doing for Vince. shit, they won't even give that chance to one of their own, and yet this guy STILL wants to be cozy with them.

[@micronoid]

IGN, to high paying consultancy job, to serving coffee in a small town. The dudes life is destroyed while she works at Nintendo. Its unbelievable that someone could have such a negative impact on another persons life. Dumping all this on the internet was a reprehensible thing for her to do.

[@markh8031]

She a real c_ _ _

[@slapthekillswitch]

This type of thing happened at so many companies the last 4 years. It was to purge people in the way to set up a new ideology.

[@Spiderfan1989]

I think your anger towards Kallie is misplaced. She should be able to share her story since the system failed her (getting fired for bringing up felt creeped on; and I think Vince would acknowledge that his emotional cheating must have crossed a line that he was not thinking about as creepy). The problem is the internet and people joining the court of public opinion too often. I think it's reasonable for somebody to share their story, and then not have a bunch of people grab pitchforks and go after the person, especially because that's not what she said in her story. Her thesis was not that "Vince is evil and he got away with it." It's that they both got reprimanded when she tried to go through the right channels to say that she felt uncomfortable. I don't think she ever would have went to the internet if IGN's HR handled this correctly.

[@paragongeth5599]

@@Spiderfan1989 It doesn't matter. She shouldn't have dropped all of this on the internet. End of story. Like Colin said companies always cover their ass and HR departments are almost always made up entirely of women. If they found something he would've been gone on the spot, and this from the company that fired person for plagiarism, something alot less serious. Somewhere along the line in these scenarios the concept of proportional response goes out the window, and thats how Vinces name is on the same list as Harvey Weinstein. No matter how much you feel you've been wronged theres always a right way and wrong way to handle a situation. She handled it incorrectly, its as simple as that.

[@markh8031]

@@Spiderfan1989 failed her? Lol

[@glesgagreg2255]

Man I wish you could get Kallie on the show to hear her side. Because at face value it looks like Vince was blackballed by the whole industry for touching a shoulder.

[@TheKennyboy92]

Well there was his comments but nothing he said deserved the reaction he got.

[@olivevideogames]

Well if he hadn't been brainwashed into being a feminist resulting in becoming a beta male, he could have stood up for himself and shown she was crazy.

[@tb1235]

@@TheKennyboy92 Clearly the comments went both ways per IGNs investigation but Vince can't talk about that.

[@justinmeader]

I promise you she has nothing of substance to add.

[@quaternio]

My understanding is that Kallie hates Colin, and Colin has criticized her merits as a games journalist multiple times. I could be getting some of that wrong, but there is beef there. And as such, I bet that situation is why Vince was hesitant to come on Colin’s show for a long time, given his tone and unwillingness to blame her.

[@Camacross]

I think a interesting ex ign person to have on next would be Marty Sliva? He quietly left ign and is now writing for escapist after many years being completely silent.

[@attilafarsang9222]

I'd love that too but I don't think that'll happen for two reasons marty won't, and allanah Pearce who had an out with him for bad behavior is a good friend of Chris Ray gun

[@ColeTrain54]

He’s back podcasting on the Escapist but I would agree. He would be an awesome guest. Beyond was great with Col, Greg and Marty

[@Beekeeper8011]

From the getgo it was obvious Marty wanted Allanah

[@X82BIGBLUE82X]

Marty would never do it… too much of a woke hipster weirdo.

[@Beekeeper8011]

I remember watching those podcasts and every so often Marty would not-so-subtly imply that he was a F**kboy. Cringe.

[@ChrisMarduk1]

This dude Colin don't miss. First Filip miucin and now Vince. Two guys who never told their story and what happened, and Colin interviews them and delivers it to the people. Good work Colin/last stand media. True journalistic behavior.

[@STJebus]

Next is Mcbiggitty!

[@joelkirkwood8224]

This situation is sooooo much different than Miucin. Fillip took no responsibility for his actions and continues to play the victim.

[@Pizzakong633]

​@@joelkirkwood8224 Yeah Filip completely sucks

[@ApeIsland]

Both great interviews big difference is I feel a lot of empathy towards Vince because he’s been bracketed with the worst of society and it’s clearly not on that level. Filip on the other hand knew exactly what he was doing he made a concerted effort to keep doing it and then spent 2-3 years denying and I believe doesn’t deserve a second chance at least not within the gaming industry.

[@Pizzakong633]

@@ApeIsland yeah for sure. Vince was definitely in the wrong but didn’t deserve the treatment, especially with what HR found.

[@jfncho]

regardless of your feelings about this situation, always remember that HR is not your friend or defender. They are there to protect the interest of the company and shield leadership from serious personal issues (e.g. Activision). If you are ever wronged in a serious way, seek outside legal representation.

[@davecarsley8773]

This is indeed true. Although I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't already know this. If a company is paying for something, it is intended to benefit the company. End of story. No exceptions.

[@MoosebreathMan65]

When Vince said he was working as a barista I almost fucking cried. Even knowing that yes, this podcast has only really been about his side of the story and we should of course take everything he says with a grain of salt (even just for the fact that these memories are years old at this point), the fact that this talented writer and eloquent, well spoken voice in games media was forced out of the industry and has his talent completely wasted by serving people in a fucking coffee shop (which he even needed to convince the owners that he was not a terrible person) is awful and deeply depressing to me. The guy does not deserve that just because he made a few behavioural mistakes and said the wrong things to a co-worker in what are otherwise isolated incidents regarding his general character and behavior with women.

[@Danielle061011]

I generally agree with what you said. Metoo has been an extremely important movement with regards to harassments in the workplace, but from Vince's story (and like you said it's HIS side of the story) this seems to be an example of repercussions taken too far. If his story/perspective is true, it sounds like he got too friendly to someone that was not reciprocating. And really what young women wants a much older unattractive married man to make sexual jokes with her?? Like common sense really.... Though as you said he doesn't deserve to be lumped in with sexual offenders. That said women face creepy behavior everyday in the workplace and I'm glad people are finding their voice to speak up. In the past it was expected you had to put up with overly creepy co-workers to keep your job and the peace.

[@MoosebreathMan65]

​@@Danielle061011 Definitely agree with you as well. Looking back at his accuser's tweets, it really seems kind of shitty that she even dropped his name in the first place since her issue was more to do with HR's unsatisfactory conclusion of the investigation than anything. There was really no reason to bring up Vince's name at all since he supposedly corrected his behavior upon learning that he had been upsetting her and he continued working at the company with no further issues of misconduct. To behave inappropriately around someone a few times, find out it was upsetting them, correct yourself, then over a year later lose your career in the industry because she was still upset over how the company's HR treated her situation (something he had nothing to do with) is really unfair. The fact that everyone, including the media, seemingly took what she said and ran with it as the only worthwhile side of the story is sad as well and I think it's ultimately the bigger issue in regards to the repercussions Vince faced in the fallout of this whole thing. People are too quick at jumping to conclusions.

[@wheaty39]

Yeah this is the general sentiment now, but when it happened and no one knew shit about the actual situation, everyone came for his head and you could tell probably drove him into an extreme depression

[@HugoStiglitz88]

@@Danielle061011 tbh I 100% believe his side of the story assuming he qasnt lying about IGN HR finding them both at fault. Also, just rhe way he is still beating himself up after all this time because of his regressive values or whatever also makes me think that he might actually be making it worse on his part than it actually was.

[@HugoStiglitz88]

@@MoosebreathMan65 the fact that she had an issue with their conclusion just shows how stubborn and deluded she is. HR ALWAYS is biased towards women especially in this Era. Equal employees, it might as well be a divorce court (famously biased af against rhe man) So the fact they still found them both at fault means that there's no way this man deserved to be punished. Let alone career ruined She is a really evil vindictive and stubborn person frankly assuming they really did find them both at fault

[@imadandylion]

Christ, man. The way this panned out is fucking criminal. Vince is too nice for his own good, I feel like he has such a backwards mindset on all this. I sincerely hope he eventually finds a way back in to the industry. At least he's happy with his family, you can't ask for more than that really.

[@kevintemido]

I have learned that you can’t be too nice in this world.

[@gurgamous]

@@kevintemido it's true, and I think it's ultimately rooted in having a lack of self respect and personal boundaries. Tact, respect and consideration of others is good, but not to the point where you let people walk over of you and take advantage of you. Nice is fine, too nice isnt

[@HugoStiglitz88]

It's not that he's too nice. It's that his idiotic regressive values allowed him to victim blame himself and never admit that he did nothing wrong

[@gurgamous]

@@HugoStiglitz88 your status as a nazi ki113r is still amateur. We’re here to see if you wanna go pro

[@Cevans1992]

That's a "male feminist" for you

[@grodoboldo]

His story feels like a high school nightmare. "You misread a social cue from a girl. Oops, your professional life is forever doomed, sorry." I just feel really sorry for him and the whole situation.

[@Chronoflation]

Lol, yeah, that's understandable, but everything else he did just makes me feel like he's the guy who girls would hang out with cause they felt bad for them in high school cause even the nerds would make fun of them. I mean, who trusts a guy who describes themselves as a teddy bear? It's one thing if some girls say that to you, but when a guy publicly self-identifies that way, you know they've basically accepted themselves as an un-manly loser. The only guys who do that are desperate for attention from women.

[@intellectic9155]

@@Chronoflation I agree w/ you. Modern feminism is a load of shit and generally men who identify w/ this are exactly what you described them to be. What I get out of this is; he hit on a female and she wasn't into him, then once "metoo" became popular she decided to drudge this up and throw him under the bus. She's the POS here IMO.

[@ItalianBoy1Up]

The problem isn't that he missed a social cue..the problem is he's was in a position of power and was hitting on employees. It's the same as professors hitting on students, or even youtuber's hitting on fans..there is a power dynamic there. He had leverage over this woman's job. It's not appropriate, nor is it okay. Being socially ignorant is not an excuse for being a creep, plain and simple. If you're terrified by this, you're probably also an awkward ass, and instead of being worried about "woke femenism" getting you fired, maybe you should be more worried about taking a shower and learning social cues from your peers.

[@Chronoflation]

@@ItalianBoy1Up Or they were both colleagues who opted into engaging in vastly inappropriate behavior with each other and both had no sense of social cues or what they were doing. This dude is a total creep, the kind of loser who wants to be in the cool crowd that bullies him and would kick him out, and did, the second he crossed a line with them. She was a creep discussing wholly inappropriate personal matters with a colleague and was completely ignorant and rejecting of the role she played in the incident and creating the situation that caused her such discomfort by engaging with this creep in that way. I have no sympathy or care for either of them, at this point. This guy came here to make his case and only made it worse in my book, as he is the epitome of non-manly and toxic. The woman sounds like a woman who thought becoming a hooker would be great and then was shocked her pimp slapped her, she put herself into that uncomfortable situation for herself and it could've easily been avoided by not engaging with this guy anywhere near the manner she did

[@grodoboldo]

@@ItalianBoy1Up yeah, judging by your tone, I'm not the awkward ass here. Just know that when you offend people gratuitously on your answer, you usually just ran out of arguments.

[@remakeyourself]

I have three things to say after watching this, watching/reading/listening to Colin for at least 13 years, and always respecting and appreciating Vince's work: 1. I'm glad Vince shared that last comment. I was about to go off, and that statement about not being a catalyst for that type of behavior was what stopped me. 2. At the same time - Everywhere Kallie goes, she leaves a trail of victims, with her at the center, and builds her entire persona around a very specific type of attitude, where it is only possible to empower people like her by taking down other people. She doesn't champion what she feels is right, she knocks down others to get what she feels is just. It's a very telling sign of a mental challenge, and has happened enough, that it shouldn't be too controversial to at least suggest that MAYBE a bit more of the blame rests with her than the people she stepped on along the way. 3. That said, Vince - Dude. Make a channel. Start a podcast. Ask Colin for help if you need to. If you want to re-enter the industry in a specific way, do it yourself. Make the content and lead the conversation. People will listen. We will listen. You can curb the hate speech or any vitriol you don't want surrounding your name if you're driving the tone. If you make games content and occasionally say "I see those comments, and I will not respond, and I don't want your views", it'll go away. Hell, you can just say "If you want to know my stance on the past, watch my interview with Colin". You can do it, and you should do it. Anyone can bounce back, and plenty of people who shouldn't have, easily have done so. There's no reason you can't be the star of your second act.

[@Crashme222]

Very well said on how Kallie is problematic in general, and that Vince should create his own thing!

[@Crashme222]

I also really love that Colin will do anything he wants to do and work/talk to anyone he wants. How can anyone not respect that?

[@laefty666]

“I’m sure we’ll see more of you again” Foreshadowing, Colin?

[@dsimpson530]

He made comments on the recent SS that he would contribute to something upcoming

[@DeathB3foreDawn]

He was never on again lol

[@bryanking1428]

Well... 60% of Vinces body is water and if you had seen Plagge's review of Pokemon Sapphire, you would have seen this coming!

[@Brody_Low]

This was a fascinating interview. Colin, you are changing the games industry with every episode. There's simply no other place where conversations like this are being had. I feel like Vince is way too hard on himself and his beliefs make him feel like its wrong to defend himself when he has every right to. He even says "If I came out and defended myself the only people that would support me are those I've been fervently fighting against politically." He's essentially been declawed as a man. He no longer has the ability to hunt and provide like he used to and his ideology prevents him from trying to take that mojo back. So now his wife is the bread winner as he sits in self-loathing. Very sad!! But I appreciate his genuineness and empathetic soul. Definitely a heartbreaking story. Nobody wins.

[@JPD2587]

The way he discusses it is that he believes he deserves what happened to him…..so why is he even here talking about it?

[@krunkinstein]

Yeah it was pretty sad to hear his reasoning on all this. Sounds like he refuses to admit that he's been completely screwed because he's too stubborn to sound like a "right winger" basically.

[@lavs23]

I think he'd probably find out most "right wingers" are cautious about a believe women always mantra is because of situations like his. Very few "right wingers" that actually live lives outside of social media in my experience think that actual harassment and assault should go unpunished. But putting your hand on a shoulder asking if she needs some help isn't the same as Harvey Weinstein.

[@matheus.bueno47]

Conversations like this one and soon to be had with the Days Gone developers are not foudn ANYWHERE in this industry.

[@jarg8]

Strange to go into that bizarre stone age/incel-esque man as "hunter/provider" analogy lol but I do agree that it was quite an intriguing interview.

[@pillaysteven]

He said he doesn't want pity but he has mine. I hope he gets another chance in the industry.

[@isturbo1984]

Naw. Honestly, he can rot in the hell he has exerted zero energy to climb out of. He made it very clear Kallie "is no liar," and while he was excommunicated, made it all about her and how she felt. Then took the time to say he didn't defend himself because he didn't want to give a voice to the "others," those who would not automatically believe women when they make outrageous and false claims. So he can stay right where he is at since he doesn't want to lift a finger defending himself. He's actively defending her. Am I wrong?

[@robertdfinzel]

@@isturbo1984 Your comment shows that you watched the interview but, imo, you are molding his words into a narrative that doesn’t line up with what he said. Out of context and void of original intent, like a segment of a standup routine put into text format.

[@isturbo1984]

@@robertdfinzel i cant condense the entire 2h video into a single paragraph dude. i tried to grab as many examples from memory. but no, i am not misrepresenting him. he made it very clear he supports Kallie in his own cancellation. am i misrepresenting when he also said he believes he should be on a list next to weinstein? while he is broken and crazy, he may not be in a hell of his own making... but he sure as hell likes being there. his choice. i'd be lying if i said i respected it.

[@pillaysteven]

​@@isturbo1984 You're completely misrepresenting him by saying he believes he should be on a list next to Weinstein... He obviously believes he shouldn't be. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qGnIpaCfo76pnM0 I disagree with your summary. He's defending Kallie's right to feel what she felt. Maybe she did actually feel that way about the things that Vince said and did, regardless of how innocuous they seem to be from Vince's point of view. Which isn't the same thing as him agreeing his should be on a list with Weinstein. He says that IGN didn't provide the actions and supports that would have allowed her to feel comfortable and heard. Which is very different from saying he was definitely in the wrong. He's still a bit uncertain about being in the wrong as there is an important piece missing from the story, whether there was one event that sparked her discomfort or whether it was many low-level discomforts over their entire relationship that Kallie didn't know how to deal with and didn't call him on until it became overwhelming. I think he's a thoughtful, very empathetic guy who has been deeply affected by these events and they have made him question aspects of his personality and relationships with women, things which have probably taken time to deal with. While there probably would have been a point that many others, in a similar situation, would have said "f--- this" and gone on the offensive, this doesn't seem to be the kind of person Vince is. He's completely unwilling to hurt people he cares about. He hasn't been able to work in the industry but has maintained a job and contributed financially to his family in a way that allowed him to hold onto his morals and beliefs. He's putting his support of women in general ahead of himself. Honestly I feel there's something noble about his actions. Frustrating and sad, but also noble.

[@robertdfinzel]

@@pillaysteven very well said. I agree.

[@TheOneLastSpartan]

I have greatly disliked Kallie Plagge for years. It was clearly for fame and she had been rewarded for it multiple times.

[@KZ3fps]

One hundred percent. Frankly, it's sad that Vince was treated the way he was. I hope that dude has some massive good fortune coming his way.

[@remakeyourself]

Yes. It's hard to say anything about this situation, any of the other situations she's put a spotlight on, or criticize her in the least because she sicks her squad on anyone. It's also hard to speak out about this without inviting commentary on Feminism, etc. I believe the accusers, I respect women. I don't believe Kallie and I sure as hell don't respect her. Those positions can be mutually exclusive. Can't we just go back to "too much water" already?

[@sterlingkart9562]

"7.8 too much water" Cyberpunk low score = "I just ignored everything"

[@dsimpson530]

@@sterlingkart9562 7.8 too much Kallie Pleggie

[@chris71388]

when the #metoo movement happened, some people saw $$$ and capitalized on being the "victim".

[@DanXcel]

Great conversation and this is truly remarkable journalism. This is why I'm a Patreon to LSM!!

[@SeanFountain]

Well said. Colin’s work is consistently excellent!👏

[@mikeyroos4229]

Damn it's so sad to see how clearly terrified he still is of her and what more damage could be done. This is crazy shit. Vince, forgive yourself bud.

[@mc_squared]

Personally, I think it's criminal that someone can just make accusations in an online environment, without evidence, proper process or even backing from the company (IGN who found both to be at fault, telling me there was back and forth from both). This to me boils down to a personal relationship gone wrong. The guys life should not have been ruined. Having previously followed the person in question on Twitter, she seemed not only toxic, but incredibly fragile and was incapable of any form of critique. The gaming industry is a place to be avoided (at least mainstream) at all costs.

[@zanfear]

Well said. Victim-blaming at it's finest.

[@HiIThinkImReal]

It's clear to me that the biggest victim of Vince's behavior is Vince himself. His passivity, his self-deprecation, his unwillingness to hold Plagge accountable - he disarmed himself long before this conflict began, so he was completely vulnerable when the time came to fight.

[@Crashme222]

Agreed. That's why I love that Colin said he basically said fuck you to everyone when he had his experience.

[@theish79]

@@Crashme222 I still remember all the BS that Colin had to go through. Especially from fake friend, "hey everyone look at me, I stand with women," Justin Davis.

[@Ranger.TomGunna]

@@theish79 Tim Gettys is a fucking coward too.. Greg Miller should be ashamed of himself as well

[@joelkirkwood8224]

@@Ranger.TomGunna I lost a lot of respect for Greg after that and haven’t watched Kinda Funny in years.

[@intellectic9155]

@@joelkirkwood8224 You didn't lose it from the way they excommunicated Colin for an innocuous joke?

[@merk2364]

It's always sad when I see a case like this where it would be perfectly reasonable for him to vigorously defend himself, but he's more concerned with not looking like one of the "others" despite him being already lumped in with them against his will.

[@nelsonhamilton8262]

Case in point: ProJared saved his career by vigorously defending himself….and the accusations against him were 1000x times worse. That this guy just ‘gave up’ and became a barista tells me 1. He doesn’t think he’s good enough to have a career outside of IGN/mainstream gaming journalism and/or 2. He’s lying or leaving out some details/facts.

[@Gurt515]

@@nelsonhamilton8262 or maybe he’s too nice? Everybody is built different dude

[@martinijean4099]

This was the best delayed Christmas gift ever. Colin, I absolutely LOVED this. I've been wondering for years where this guy's been since the dreadful news came out and my prayers were answered. Great interview, and I'm so happy to hear his side of things. This wasn't supposed to happen to him. They took down a really great guy and a growing force in the industry. I know he would go back in a heartbeat, but truthfully he has all the knowledge in the world to just start his own youtube channel / blog website and go to town. If he builds it, they will come and I'll be there waiting. Anyway, thanks again Colin for doing a great job.

[@smeepUCA]

He seems like a nice guy and he definitely didn't deserve what's happened to him. It's mind-blowing that he still defends the toxic woke culture that destroyed him and his career.

[@jasonandrews7355]

Agreed. It made me sad to hear him beat himself up so much. I'm all for equal rights and safe workplaces for everyone, but it seems to me he misjudged a relationship; that's all. Nobody was ever in any danger, nor were they looked at in a lewd manner, as far as I can tell.

[@RFNY315]

I was going to say that also. When he mentioned the leftist safe haven coffee shop, I thought that was pathetic. He seems like a cool guy and it was a good interview.

[@HammerHawkPRO]

You gotta respect Vince ability to try to understand how everybody involved felt. Honestly i see a man that truly live by what he believes. We can judge him, saying how he should have fought harder and all. But he stayed true to himself. And above all is still "loyal" and wants his old friends to do well. Thank you Colin. This interviews are really insightfull about life itself and the current state of the world. I will be thinking about this for a while. Keep up the good work.

[@colmcoakley3916]

thank you to everyone at last stand for giving Vince a platform to tell his side of the story and allowing him to speak. Thank you to Vince for speaking. Glad to see he is no longer silenced or censor'd by the "woke" and "tolerant" community

[@redhatter94]

Its crazy that this guys cares so much about someone that ruined his life over a shoulder touch, I feel bad for him buts it just so pathetic to see him still groveling and not having really learnt anything from the entire experience. But I gotta say Colin thanks for getting this interview it was really interesting.

[@San_Juan_Grand_Prix]

I think it’s pathetic too. I feel for him.

[@LimJorino]

At the end, Vince basically admits that he won't defend himself or attempt to reclaim his life because his ideology prevents him from doing so. I guess I respect that he is strong in his beliefs and principles... but any ideology that doesn't allow you to defend yourself when wronged should have you questioning things...

[@louis-charlesdesjardins688]

Pretty sure if he was tall and handsome this would never had happened…

[@juliansalazar7097]

I’m pissed off that after the fact.. After they were both officially said to be at fault and after she left and Vince got laid off and found a new era for himself. She had to bring everything back up and FUCK it all up. There’s just people that are just never happy with themselves. She really should be ashamed of herself.

[@d_90]

Vince should just make his own gaming KZbin channel. There are enough people out there that would support him, and see right through this whole situation.

[@DanVantastic]

That's what I was thinking too. And/or a blog or substack or something. Enough time and punishment has passed.

[@nintendad8168]

agreed 🤙

[@Matunahelper]

I always enjoyed seeing Vince on Game Scoop and discussing his point of views and game tastes. I always knew in my heart of hearts this was blown out of proportion and one-sided. This man is very remorseful for something he still isn't even sure of what it is he did. Very genuine, very polite and such a good character. Great interview, guys.

[@MetallicA7X92]

Even back then I remember thinking that this is just a big case of miscommunication... something IGN's HR department actually called right. Kallie starting a tweet thread accusing Vince for this is so incredibly worse, and while she's been climbing the ranks, Vince was forced out of the industry he loves for absolutely no reason at all. One would hope she will apologize after this interview, but she did start this whole thing on purpose in hopes of Vince being blacklisted. His name is on the same list as real predators, which is sick to think about imo.

[@celticspike2522]

she won't she won't give two fucks about Vince's feelings or his story. She attacked Colin years ago for simply talking about his experience of online abuse and strongly implied he had no business talking about harassment because he is a Man.

[@Rayceunit01]

The way the woke cult unperson's people like this is pure evil, and I appreciate Colin so much for treating people like humans instead of ideas. The social dynamics on the left is "you stab my back, I stab yours". You go off script to their ideology and its over, no more jobs, no more of their friendships, is any relationship they have actual real bonding between humans? Or is everyone just one big collective, so therefore, all individuals are disposable. Its infuriates me how fast they'll drop their own friends for political power, or the approval of others, and you can tell Vince is still caught in the terror of that progressivism, even when his life has been ruined the way it has. The virtue signaling and white knighting for women, regardless of evidence, is such an unhinged hysteria on their side, and its part of the collectivist thinking, particularly in femenism, where men like Vince become like the acceptable collateral damage in the war agains't the patriarchy. Like any man should bare punishment for the actions of other bad men, past and present, and Vince seems to think that yeah, ok, I'll take one for the team. I'd say male femenists get what they ask for but I dont feel that at all, I just feel sad, it sad men cant defend themselves. A women should not be able to ruin your life like this over discomfort and misunderstandings. We should be able to unite on things we choose, like our hobby for gaming, and have some grace for each other. Its just a sad world we live in, but I'm thankful Last Stand will go against this insane cult and treat people like fucking humans again. We all just play games and talk about them, we're not saving the world or fighting a war. I appreciate everyone who's part of this community Colin has built, your free and honest thinkers

[@Rayceunit01]

@@PotatoeSnow affeminate is the right word. And the whole interview its almost like he worships her feelings over his own life, like Kallie is a dark souls boss that could kill him one swing again if he's not careful, he still lives under her tyranny; the immaturity to torture someone with never telling them what they did wrong, then go to HR and claim sexual harrasmant, she's just embarrassed about her own actions in all this and society will let her get away with it, and then for the media to put his name next to Harvy Wienstien, its so unjust I can barely handle it sometimes, I want to see men succeed in this society, not end up like this, sabotaged and self-sabotaged

[@HugoStiglitz88]

At this point I hope Colin hires Vince. Vince honestly was one of the only people at ign I liked and agreed with on games. He was cool as hell

[@HugoStiglitz88]

@@Rayceunit01 that's what is so disturbing. His life got ruined yet he still is more worried about her feelings. That's why I hate progressivism so much. It's so regressive that it makes men turn on themselves. Its disturbing This is the subversion Yuri bezmenov was talking about

[@Andrew-ft5zf]

3:18 The fact that Colin missed a solid Cotton Eye Joe pun. He should have said said "where did you go... Vince Ingenito?" After he said, "where did you come from?"

[@johnlisa418]

I thought the same thing

[@MegaGamer1006]

I said it out loud in my car hahahaha

[@TheNaughtyBiscotti]

I am a lapsed viewer/listener, but when I saw the tweet about this going up I made sure I gave a view. Not to discredit her feelings in any way at all, but it absolutely sucks what happened to Vince. Thank you for giving him an opportunity to have a conversation about what happened and how it has impacted his life. All the best.

[@rpg_haven]

Why not discredit her feelings? There's nothing wrong with doing that if her feelings are completely detached from reality, which in this case it sounds like they were. Feelings don't matter or mean much in the grand scheme of things. They're subjective, and you can easily lie about them.

[@moloney55]

I do feel for Vince, the part when he was asked if it was unjustified was heartbreaking. I have to ask this of him though as he qualified himself as a "feminist", and seems to be of similar age to me, not these new generation. I would consider myself a second wave feminist, which to me is equality and treating women the same as men(not saying they are the same but not giving biased treatment to either). He is bending over backwards to be courteous, even after everything, about how she was feeling, how his actions/words made her feel. Now I can understand the base level goals of the MeToo movement, I can understand that women's opinions/feelings have been somewhat sidelined in the past and especially in the work place. But like many things in the past 10 years in trying to balance things better for everyone, in the fervor to get it done quick and fast the scale gets slammed down the other way. For some it's unintentional, for many there is a sense of vindictiveness; "it's their time to pay", despite many of those paying the price not being the ones who committed the wrongs. Because here is a question, if people's personal feelings about things said and done are paramount, what about Vince's?... He had what he thought was a close personal friendship with her exposed as BS, because if they were real friends she would have mentioned to him right away if he did something she wasn't comfortable with. He's being left both confused by what he did and wrought with guilt feeling he hurt someone, she has (it certainly seems like at least) zero care for what she did to him, and his pain is literal financial and reputational ruin. Does his pain and hurt mean nothing? Because he's a man? That isn't feminism, that's misandry, and that is probably what she learned in her "gender studies". My honest take on this. They were friends that discussed things that friends discuss and some of it was not work appropriate. She's a young attractive woman in the games industry and there is a lot of attention both wanted and unwanted that comes with that, I'm sure Chobot and others have their stories. My guess is this 2016 E3 was maybe her first one and a combination of all the male gazes and comments combined with the pressure of the workload she had as an editor broke her. She got grossed out by the situation to the point she started reevaluating her relationship with Vince, were these friendly discussions they'd been having actually him trying to groom her? (And I'll say this, as a heterosexual man there was probably at least a small part of Vince, even maybe purely subconscious that was hoping the relationship would go that way). Also maybe she felt some pressure to have a reason why E3 was being too much for her and didn't want to seem weak professionally so this was a great excuse to cover for that. As far as her tweeting about it after, probably less a personal attack at Vince but more her blowing off steam about how IGN handled it(which seemed like the correct way to handle it IMO). But here's the thing, ladies, if you want to be treated as equals you need to step up you personal responsibility on this stuff. If people are overstepping your personal boundaries, let them know. And let them know directly, not this "well I did this and they should have assumed what I meant". Men don't have a lifetime of reading between the lines of caddy comments and false compliments you dish at each other. If then the person refuses to back off you escalate it. Running to HR like running to your daddy when something is wrong will perpetuate the stereotype that you are basically children and not professional equals. And if you're a real feminist you don't want that. EDIT: Just listened to the last 15 min after reading this. Vince if you're reading this. You are not betraying feminism to wrestle with the logical contradiction of: BelieveAllWomen + Woman accuses you of being a sexual predator + You're not a sexual predator = Does not compute Believe All Women makes no sense, especially to women if you listen to them talk about each other. And even if a woman is being honest with themselves they can be wrong or at least not presumptively right, that's how personal opinion works. It is low key sexism to assume that women can't handle having their opinions challenged. You need to respectively hear anyone out on their feelings on something but you also need to have enough respect to challenge them when you feel they are wrong or there may be a different "truth". The answer to wife beating is not encouraging women to beat up their husbands, this is the fallacy in most modern "progressive" thought....

[@mrshmuga9]

They don’t want to be treated as equals, not when they can be treated with superiority. There’s no incentive for them to hold themselves accountable. All guys can do is avoid contact with women at work as much as humanly possible. Because even your “friends” will sell you out if it can benefit their career.

[@KhalilACG]

Yeah, that was my thought as well. He's worried about everyone else's feelings besides his own. It was so sad.

[@sebastiansanhueza9601]

Crazy to think that one of the best commentators IGN has had is working as a barista! Don't get me wrong: sounds like a great job, but that man should have his own KZbin or twitch channel.

[@jorssu13]

A co-worker of mine was fired after a female co-worker accused him of sexual harrassment when in actuality all he had done was that he refused to have sex with her. Because of her lies he lost his job, his family and almost his life as he eventually tried to commit suicide.

[@BertoBeats]

I'd love to hear Kallie's detailed account of what the hell exactly warranted Vince's career torpedoed, because after this hour and a half I feel extremely bad for him. Sounds like innocent miscommunication and awkwardness all around. Barely anything to pay any mind to in the grand scheme of things, much less destroy someone's life over.

[@joelkirkwood8224]

Transferrance probably. That interaction Vince described from E3 sounds like a cry for help.

[@Spiderfan1989]

He asked for our respect, rather than our pity, so I think he did the right thing by saying his side. And we should not focus on what Kallie's story is at this time, since she told it. I think this is about how this guy's life was torpedoed by culture. That a woman was totally not treated right by a system that failed her, and the mob wanted somebody to pay. The only suspicion remaining is that there are other women, at least one, that had an issue with this guy, but Vince acknowledges that and we can never know the full truth. He does own that he had things to work on about his relationship with women and how he thinks of himself in relating to women, because if it can happen with more than one person, he must have had issues with how he connects with others. It sounds like he's really worked on it though.

[@haggisman0812]

@@teddyholiday8038 What? That's such BS, my parents are divorced and remarried and they both met their 2nd partners at work.

[@PSNinTurtle]

@@Spiderfan1989 Very well said

[@timsimtv]

Towards the end - it is kinda sad we have reached the point where a man cannot compliment a woman without it being deemed as creepy/sexual/predatory.

[@furshizzle]

Hearing how nice Vince is speaking towards someone that tried to ruin his life is extremely off putting to me. Some people suck and it's okay for you to be honest about it bruh.

[@Ranger.TomGunna]

Yes I agree! She ruined his life and used that leverage to advance her career while he was blacklisted from having a career! The investigation said they were BOTH at fault, yet he’s punished and she’s rewarded! Bullshit

[@MrKreisKlinge]

Exactly, some people can be vicious and will absolutely fuck you if given the chance. Of course we don't know the all the details but it is clear to me that Vince conducted himself in a way that made him an easy target.

[@redpillbill1052]

Please have him back to talk about games. I would 100% tune in for that! Almost everyone deserves a second chance.

[@Matunahelper]

Would sub

[@krisavedisian]

Somethings going on within you Vincent. You have a guilty conscience, you're way too concerned about other people's feelings and opinions. Vincent be confident. If you want to get back in the gaming industry then go get it. Stop this shit about feminism, the right, the left. The only persons opinion you should care about is your sons. Show him confidence, what it means not to give up and go after what fulfills you. Stop hiding behind the fear of others feelings. You know who you are, you need to be your own advocate before anything thing else. Good luck man.

[@saintallison]

I didn't even know who he was before this interview, and I'd watch/listen to anything he put out in a heartbeat.

[@timgimmy609]

Perfectly said. The man knows games, knows how to write and speak about them, and clearly there are people who would listen to his opinion. I have no idea why gaming specifically has become such a politically charged space, especially when so few games have anything of political substance to say. People are sick of the superfluous and superficial bullshit, put out good work about games and it will speak for itself.

[@TheJCghost]

Oh my god hearing Vince saying he miss working in the gaming industry made my stomich turn. I felt that omg so sad😢

[@diaryofjane22]

I talked to Vince at PSX 2015, and the guy was genuinely really cool, and very kind. Whereas some "journalists" and personalities there definitely had high opinions of themselves, Vince was down to Earth. I was surprised when bad things came out about him and knew there was more to the story.

[@jasonandrews7355]

I really, really want to see Vince reenter the gaming sphere. There aren't many people as eloquent, knowledgeable, and pleasant to listen to as Vince. He was always so enjoyable on IGN let's plays and podcasts, I miss that era a lot. It really seems to me that the whole situation got massively overblown. Maybe he made a few missteps, but who hasn't? Nobody should have their life destroyed over a few minor screwups.

[@JoeKnowsWorst]

Really enjoyed the interview, I respect that Vince doesn't try to portray himself as a victim, on one hand he made mistakes, but it's not like she advised him of rape, so I think he deserves another chance at a career in the industry.

[@Crashme222]

Wow! This was incredible to listen to and watch. Colin is doing the greatest work in the industry with this content. You can really tell that because of how he's been treated and removed from the industry, he can really relate to these sorts of stories. Colin, thank you for all you do

[@Sylvestror]

So it kinda was all in her head

[@mikejoe3439]

This guy is a prime example of how the Me Too shit can go too far. This girl ruined this guys career out of some simple social misunderstandings.

[@absolutlegend37]

Absolutely miss Vince, if he comes back in any way will be seeking him out to listen/read his stuff again! Great interview Colin!

[@jackflash8567]

Oh no , not HUGGING! Not HUGGING! Indulging this victim mentality is why this man is in the position he’s now in… and he’s still endorsing it!

[@pmerjudio]

I enjoy all your podcasts, your reviews, the occasional GI Joe streams, but these one on one interviews are by far your best content.

[@marloncarrero6575]

The guy has a deep case of Stockholm Syndrome. He continues to say her ‘feelings are valid’, that he is not trying to say she’s wrong, he continues to say sorry for something he believes he didn’t do, he still calls himself a feminist… How can you think like that after going through a career-ending mess like that is crazy to me.

[@PridesLegacy]

Vince, You came across as genuine. I would urge you, however, to think deeply about this situation and what in culture allowed it to occur. You went out of your way to run defense but the fact of the matter is that you were (by your own and any reasonable listener's understanding) treated unfairly. Unflattering parts of feminism are categorically to blame for that. Kallie went out of her way to not resolve things with you reasonably or amicably. Either you are not telling the truth or there is some level of maliciousness in her actions. If you sincerely believe it is not the former, I suggest you stop covering for her and that movement and letting your life be defined by what is likely a throwaway moment for her. She has treated you unjustly. I would urge you to not dwell on that fact but to internalize it and consider it when advocating for certain elements of feminism that support these outcomes in the future. Men and women are equal as humans and should be treated as such; were you treated equally here? Just some food for thought if you ever end up reading this. Hopefully this interview will prompt her to spill the beans on what vile act you committed which caused this whole thing so that we all have the fullest picture possible. Until then, I wish you the best personally and professionally.

[@hstationforthenation3299]

It absolutely breaks my heart that Vince clearly still believes this lady is a good person when she had no regard for the true ramifications of her actions regarding something that, for all intents and purposes, had already been officially dealt with. I can't help but feel the metoo twitter alarm was just cruelty for the sake of being cruel.

[@Michael-rv5ib]

No he doesn’t, he knows she’s a piece of shit, it’s the standard phony ass SJW poison still in his veins that he refuses to let go. He won’t be forgiven, the fake accuser won’t take back things and fix his life, he needs to come to terms with that. Trying to still be a white knight will only serve to make him look foolish.

[@hstationforthenation3299]

@FoRizzle perhaps you a right in some respect. I think particularly on his hesitation to talk, being due to the fact it conflicts with his beliefs that women should be heard. Perhaps this should be the spotlight on the fact that not EVERY woman is honest, and not EVERY man has ill intentions. His feminist sensibilities should pivot to recognise that honest women's accounts are being harmed by those other women taking advantage of the stigma against men in these situations and that it needs to be addressed in order to ensure true victims are adequately supported.

[@Michael-rv5ib]

@@hstationforthenation3299 I think his hesitation to talk is really about the legal ramifications of his NDA, and probably a bit of him being delusional that if he keeps his white knight persona going, one day he will be "forgiven" by the public and games media. It's sad, honestly. The dude was absolutely railroaded, and he's incapable, at least publicly, of admitting how wrong it was.

[@intellectic9155]

@@Michael-rv5ib I agree w/ you. He should have came out of the gate swinging here.

[@Plathismo]

@@Michael-rv5ib Damn straight. If ever one needed an example of female privilege, this story is it--he ends up serving coffee, and she's got her dream job working at Nintendo.

[@dereka5017]

It's absolutely PAINFUL to hear how careful he's being about affirming her feelings. He misread her and as a result made some inappropriate comments. She intentionally destroyed his career and reputation. Yet somehow he is the one expected to step lightly even still.

[@zanfear]

Maybe next time act professionally when in the workplace? Then the younger colleague of the opposite sex rebuking the unprofessional advances wouldn't have to go to HR, get blamed by HR, then take to social media for any sort of justice. There's a long line of cause and effect here. She wouldn't have posted on Twitter if the preceding parties acted appropriately.

[@dereka5017]

@@zanfear I've never seen anything approximating justice on Twitter. Twitter is just competing mobs.

[@YMODiabolik]

Any man that becomes friends with a woman in her mid-20s over their mutual love of feminism is either a creep or just plain stupid. Something about Vince's story tells me his wife likely warned him about immature girls like Kallie. It's hard to feel bad for him.

[@TheUballe]

Absolutely! If I heard that, I would've about-faced immediately.

[@rickscandon]

Another really great interview. I didn't know much about the situation but it does seem a disservice was done, even though it seems as if Vince himself would be hard pressed to call it such. Him being a "self described feminist" probably made it easier for social media to bully him around because he felt it would be wrong to speak out against them and potentially do more "harm" to the victim.

[@TeslaChad]

Chills went up my spine several times throughout this interview because I had something very similar to me happen when I was working at a well-known religious television network. It happened years ago but I still have nightmares about what happened. Similar to Vince, I had to find out weeks later from former co-workers why I got fired. I wasn’t shown proof or told why. They later promised me that they will show me via their lawyers but that was a lie and never did. I still don’t have closure on the most traumatic time of my life.

[@matthewperry3637]

Awesome interview Colin , I hope Vince does find his way back into gaming journalism ! He was always fun to watch at ign :-)

[@alexkassian2988]

Well he didn’t want pity, and I’m certainly not going to give any. The fact that he still feels guilty, and is still an adamant progressive/feminist, shows that he has learned nothing. She works at Nintendo, and he pours fucking coffee. Yet he still apologizes. Unbelievable.

[@Darkk_Sage]

No need to be degrading towards people pouring coffee, but I get your point.

[@jayjayson9613]

Seriously. He goes through this and still doesn't see how that viewpoint is the issue. It's sad.

[@jackalseesyouhiding7201]

this is genuinely sad. he gets black listed for basically nothing. men suffer just as much as women but arent taken as serious. this is something i feel needs to be shined on more. Vince deserves to work his dream, as i believe he didnt do nothing and many people in the comments have pointed out there was an agenda pushed to get him out.

[@paulwade4058]

She defamed him on Twitter. He should have sued.

[@Lucas190293]

So sad to see a man so castrated by ideology.

[@thenewterrorbilly727]

I would love to see Vince as a part of Last Stand Media. His knowledge about games industry is invaluable and I think it is a loss to not see him do what he loves again.

[@redpillbill1052]

Yes

[@robertcavanna789]

I miss Vince. Colin, can you just hire him?

[@pmx7453]

His warped political beliefs prevented him from defending himself against things he knew weren't true. Instead quietly rode off into the night with career destroyed. Sad!

[@Km-kq9sz]

The dude literally said that feelings can never be anything but valid and that is one of the dumbest things I ever heard lol.

[@jezusrodriguez6266]

Another victim of a degenerate age. I wonder if Colin understands the level of havoc these feminist views have wreaked on society.

[@KumarJankins]

@@jezusrodriguez6266 you are so clueless

[@JiP-Melee]

Phenomenal interview. I’ve been wondering what happened to this guy for years and my heart breaks for him. I totally buy what he,s saying and I think he was dealing with absolute head case who ruined this man’s career. Very sad.

[@liljazzy4021]

"Is it just?" Man, that was the question. No. No it isn't just for this man to be mentioned in the same breath as Larry Nassar.

[@phunnbaba]

This guy deserves a second chance. I can't speak to his past or what happened but if there was a lesson to be learned and corrections to be made, I'd say he got there.

[@MrABStheMan]

Completely out of the know when it came to Vince and his story. Criminal how this has impacted him. I wish to see and hear his voice on more gaming content, I’ve always valued and enjoyed hearing his viewpoint! What a top job Colin, content never misses a beat

[@MZ_Flea]

Very powerful and interesting discussion, thank you for doing this Colin.

[@Thaisis1981]

Great interview Colin. Will always remember Vince's MGS5 review. Sad story for both, lesson here is keep work relationships professional this day and age, and don't allow yourself to be in any any situation that can be misinterpreted by either party. Good luck Vince hope to see your reviews again!

[@Mattathais]

So nice to see Vince again! Hope we get to see him around on more LSM content.

[@naderaboulhosn]

Excellent interview. Always liked Vince and glad to see him again. Says a lot about someone by how they talk about people that in my opinion clearly wronged him.

[@deterpinklage4406]

God bless you, Vince! And you Colin for doing this important work. Cojones! It moves me something deep to imagine the total impact you are having on this world. My life is more optimistic knowing there are people like you creating space for these conversations to be had.

[@rumi7549]

I used to work at IGN Finance department and knew both Greg and Colin. After IGN acquisition our department were let go, I met Vince on Bart a year later while he still worked at IGN. We had never met before but he was genuinely a very nice guy. We talked for a good half hour as if we knew each other for a long time. He was an extremely friendly and kind person. I hope things get better for him.

[@liam1socool]

ah, she studied gender issues in college.

[@jettxjordan]

Lol makes sense

[@Sylvestror]

Could have told you that from the way she looks

[@imadandylion]

@@Sylvestror Don't think that's helpful for anyone, mate.

[@AnberlinRoxxforeal]

@@imadandylion actually that makes complete sense. She has a victim complex and a general discuss towards men for whatever extenuating circumstances. Clearly shows there was motive behind her claim. She ruined that man’s life to jump on a band wagon of her ideals. As discussed with context this guy was not at fault.

[@joegonz]

Moral of the story, if a woman describes herself as a sex positive feminist, walk away and never interact with her

[@dawgmuffin]

Great episode. Thank you Colin, and Vince, for being who you are. My case is far less dramatic, but I've been in a comparable situation. Just hearing that I made my friend uncomfortable was enough to feel like I had been poisoned. You're not even remotely a bad guy. I hope you feel good about the ways in which your life *is* going well.

[@leeartlee915]

1:26:00 This right here is what really is the problem. Just because you view yourself as “non-threatening” or “a safe guy” doesn’t mean your actions can’t still be perceived/felt as unwanted, inappropriate, sleazy, etc. If a someone doesn’t like how you are acting towards them, that’s it. This girl sounds like she kinda sucks, tbh. But at the same time, I be willing to bet money there were moments long before that “E3 moment” that indicated she didn’t like how Vince was acting towards her. Now does what happened to him feel justified? Hell no. But it’s you’ve got to be aware.

[@LinedanceChristchurch]

Vince got absolutely screwed. Heart breaking story. Hopefully he’s a finds a way back

[@Gurt515]

Him being on that "Me Too” list is heartbreaking when you see who he is essentially being compared to.

[@shuckacuck]

While I don't think he did anything morally wrong, he was just in way too deep. The second you become that emotionally attached to someone of the opposite sex that isn't a romantic partner, you need to step way back. That's when you make mistakes you regret for the rest of your life.

[@MrGeoff-iv6re]

This was well done and a really tasteful way for Vince to have his side of the story heard.

[@gramsci1094]

Kayleigh Plagge always seems to be wrapped up in some kinda drama. I would be worried about working with someone like that.

[@leeartlee915]

Ugly girls often make a lot of drama. It makes them appear more “interesting” than they really are.

[@CP-tl6uz]

Wow, I was glued to this interview. Super interesting. Very unique and refreshing to see an interview like this. Colin, I’ll keep saying it: You’re killing it. You just keep bringing the goods. Even if I don’t take advantage of most of my tier privileges, I’m still happy to throw my money at you and LSM.

[@valentin1028]

Do you think Chris Avellone would be willing to do an interview? Doesn't have to revolve around drama, it could be about gaming.

[@nathanjones1008]

If there's one thing the gaming industry needs more of,it's people with a genuine passion for it,somebody give Vince a new opportunity.

[@louishardiman7749]

Remember reading Vince's review of MGSV like it was yesterday. Love that game so much. Time flies

[@garthdude911]

What a great interview, Colin. I really feel like Vince took what he was responsible for and said his side to the best of his abilities. I would really like to see him come back in the industry, and believe you could be his golden ticket back in. Would love to him Vince back onto Sacred Symbols every so often in any capacity that is viable. I miss him actually talking games, and he deserves it.

[@fapnawb]

Isn't she the chick who reviewed Cyberpunk 2077 for Gamespot and spent majority of the review going over how "problematic" the themes of the game are and how the game doesn't do enough for non-binary people and cultures are badly portrayed. I remember thinking back then how she'll probably be nothing but trouble going forward.

[@l0n3w01f]

She works at Nintendo now so that’s that but if she was a co worker and knew all of this I would try to stay away in a nice way as much as possible. I wouldn’t treat her bad or anything. I would be professional at the workplace. A colleague and nothing more. Outside of work I would be like "nah, I have other things to do"

[@bixhutch6274]

Shout out to Vince! Hopefully we can make a push to get him back in video games in some capacity. Crime does not seem to fit the punishment. Good on you Colin for asking the second side of the story’s we wouldn’t otherwise get.

[@lemondropssecretmemefolder5422]

I want to be in favor of Vince's defense... but MAN does he make that difficult. "I'm a self-described feminist progressive, so I felt like any attempt to offer my side of the story was giving ammunition to the people I fought hard against, who just wanted to discount women's stories." You were dragged through the mud over a couple overly-flirtatious moments, and got put on the list next to genuinely heinous people. You ARE the story that needed to be discounted because it was a nothingburger that had already been sorted out at a personal and professional level by discussions, HR, and mutually deciding it was best to not work together with the woman in question. There's room for a MeToo movement to happen in a sane world. Call out the serial abusers in every industry. But when you drag social awkwardness, a couple misreads of romantic cues, and issues that were determined to be the "fault" of BOTH parties into that mix, with the accused refusing to defend himself, that's how you end up with the people who just discount ALL of the stories. "Living by your principles" and not defending yourself meant she got away with slandering you in the worst possible way and making you lose your entire career over a small personal matter. "[I loved my job and I miss it and want to get back into it, but] if I ever come back, if I ever have the opportunity to in any way, I would want for there to be a way for that coming back to be positive for gender relations, to be positive for feminism, to be positive for the progressive movement in the games industry." His obsession with wanting his "side" to be right is what cost him everything, not his accuser, nor the people who were looking for the ammo to fire back. Vince, don't lick the boots of the people who knocked you down and kicked mud in your face. You don't have to be radicalized to realize that the very movement you're defending right now has cost you and countless others their entire lives and livelihoods. Push for reform, push for abusers and genuinely awful people to be removed. But you know firsthand now that surely not everyone who has been accused is guilty. If you want your life back, take it back. But if you won't understand that you're supporting the system that did this to you, then you can't ever take it back. Just two cents from some guy on the Internet that you will probably consider a radical or misogynist.

[@STJebus]

I remember disliking Vince when he first joined IGN and Beyond but eventually he began to gel with greg and colin at the time and ended up really liking the guy. Just a genuine presence that's sorely missed