The Expanse 2x4 'Godspeed' Blind Reaction

[@732ReviewCrew]

i.ibb.co/vvWssRd/1.jpg updated release calendar for this month! If you've seen the post it's the same from this weekend

[@LeeCarlson]

In Amos' case, we now know that he recognizes the dangers faced by sex-workers, that he knows how to question pedophiles, and what needs to be done to cover up a crime. That tells us a lot about who Amos was before he came up the well.

[@732ReviewCrew]

It really does start to steer us towards asking "who was Amos"

[@LeeCarlson]

Camina Drummer is not crazy, she is just as rarefied a presentation of Belter values as Bobbie Draper is of Martian values.

[@MrCzerillo]

She is not a whiny bigot.

[@LeeCarlson]

@@MrCzerillo, on your first point, she is not whiny because she is a Belter and recognizes that whining does no good. For your second point, she most certainly is a bigot, though you don't see as much of it here as you will in later seasons.

[@LeeCarlson]

Somehow Eros generated sufficient delta-v to move completely out of the Nauvoo's trajectory without ejecting any reaction mass, while also not squashing Miller (on the asteroid's surface) into mush.

[@AxyzGrid]

I like how as the Navuoo is starting to move away from Tycho station, the sheer heat from the engines melts the scaffold.

[@pssthpok]

You beat me to the comment, beratna!

[@Garryck-1]

And yet, it *DOESN'T* melt Miller or his suit! Weird, huh?

[@pssthpok]

Mikey: "I hate timers" Me: Dude, buckle up.

[@732ReviewCrew]

I want off this wild ride!! -Mikey

[@kirkdarling4120]

It does help to freeze the frame to read computer readouts and screens. They always contain interesting background information. Remember we've seen that French doctor before. At the beginning of the season, when Miller and Holden were getting cancer meds, the camera focused on that doctor in a news broadcast imploring the UN to send a medical mission to Eros. The computer screens and readouts always contain interesting background information. This was Holden's first volitional kill. I don't think he even managed to shoot anyone in the melee escaping Eros. Worse yet, they were good guys.

[@732ReviewCrew]

The little things dang! I didn't even notice on my edit , however yeah Holden has not killed anyone or even shot anyone yet. Except the 'doctors without planetary borders'. That one, you can tell he was not happy about.

[@SyrosAlex]

The Nauvoo launch sequence is my favorite space scene in the entire show. The tug drones, the music, the com chatter, Fred's words and his intense awareness of the gravity of the moment - all works perfectly together!

[@732ReviewCrew]

Tug drones are cool, I want some now. It was really awesome

[@LeeCarlson]

Unless the Mormons have an exterior vid-link where they are sequestered, they have no idea what has happened to the Nauvoo. You have to realize that a spinning station like Tycho does not use windows to look out into space. (if they did, they would only be on the "lowest" deck and under your feet.)

[@732ReviewCrew]

Okay that's good info to know

[@ryank5424]

As Capt. Yao said "sometimes you have to kill to preserve" Also it's funny, I know where this is going yet im still getting into with you guys. I even had a "That's it!" Moment when the episode ended.

[@AndrewEmmett]

Go back and watch the opening sequence of season 1 episode one just after the Julie Mao scene. When they cut to Ceres station an ship is docking. If you pay attention, you can see the docks are ‘upside down’ because the gravity is generated by the rotation of Ceres and people walk on the inside surface on the hollowed out Ceres dwarf planet. Think like fairground Gravitron ride where the floor drops away and you stick to the wall. Most people don’t catch this detail on 1st watch. The production and sfx team put soo much detail into the series. They’re amazing! Also, have a look at the ‘Coriolis effect’ when they pour drinks…

[@732ReviewCrew]

We noticed the effect on drinks but not that! I will definitely go back and peak. Thank you!

[@chrism7395]

There's a Tom Scott video where he visits a laboratory that replicates what it'd be like in a spin station, really interesting stuff.

[@LeeCarlson]

Also, figure that once Fred Johnson received the news that Eros had dodged the Nauvoo, he would send a signal to shut down the Nauvoo's engines and put it into a ballistic trajectory that can be tracked and is not headed toward the Sun, which is where Eros would have gone if it had been hit (any more than the cue-ball in billiards will wind up in the corner-pocket if it misses the object-ball).

[@LeeCarlson]

In the meeting with Errenwright and Mao, Chrisjen has done a very good job of laying out all of the evidence that she has as well as letting Mao know that she thinks his feigned ignorance is BS, and still Errenwright does not see what is coming. "That light at the end of the tunnel is in inbound Chicago Flyer."

[@davidbergfors6820]

0:09 Oh, I think you will really understand that this is not the episode that ends book one... 7:34 I just love this! 9:08 can't really agree about hot, but Kamina is really intense. 10:29 That editing seems to know something we don't know yet... 11:06 Someone did say Tycho was known to spin up rocks, makes sense they would have a lot of engines to make that possible. also: "I'm gonna go with no." was a great comment. 19:06 pretty sure that was the first time Holden directly killed someone. 22:46 that dual shout! you guys are in synch! 24:07 Did not know that was the reason for that number! thanks!

[@gravshark]

I really hope you guys watched S2E5 already lol. Its such a god damn wild ride from start to finish. As always great reactions and the production quality has gone up over time so well done!

[@732ReviewCrew]

We absolutely did! I appreciate the community with the critique and suggestions, it really helped to nail audio quality.

[@berniezenis4876]

The ending of this episode was great. I was not expecting it at all. Thankfully, I was in the middle of a binge watch when I first saw it. Imagine if that had been a season finale cliffhanger and you had to wait months. Your theories are fun too. I can't wait to see if any of them are right. Or maybe I already know. Maybe I'm Kwikowski and I'm orchestrating the whole thing. Thanks, guys.

[@Sinewmire]

Holden: It feels like we're covering up a crime. Amos: Yeah, that's *exactly* what it feels like. Implying Amos is very familiar with the feeling of covering up a crime!

[@732ReviewCrew]

Amos prequel series when?

[@Sinewmire]

@732ReviewCrew oh, they'll get there! The authors wrote several short stories, including background and epilogue for many of the characters, so the screenwriters had access to tons of material. Cara Gee, who plays Drummer, asked if a random brlter woman could have been Drummer. It's really nice to hear how involved the writers were in the show!

[@daxeah8472]

This is one of my favorite episodes. Yalls reactions were very fun to watch. Can't wait for the next one!

[@LeeCarlson]

Mike's comment of "Hurrah" is actually much more apt than he may have realized when it comes to the Martian Marines who wear the power armor.

[@librarianists]

I'm with Mikey: Miller's hair is awesome in this episode. My other thoughts I'll save for 2x5. 🙂

[@tomaszmankowski9103]

Great discussion! I think it is the main reason I like your reactions - there is a great dinamic between one person who knows the show and two who are making deductions and speculations. The Navoo. I love the launch sequence. The tug drones move like a swarm of fish, the music is terrific and the words Fred is saying are just perfect for the scene. Camina Drummer. The show has this almost effortless capability to introduce and grow great characters, especially female characters who are believable, interesting and just so cool. To me she is one of the best characters in the show and there are so many, even if many of them die or leave and do not return. Kwikowski. As someone from Poland I appreciate the name is never misspelled in the show. Rarely there is a text in English without a stupid spelling mistake when a Polish name is written. I have no idea why, I could in time of typewriters, but is copy/paste too hard to use? The Navoo once more. The show is a little like a naval sf series. Mamy, many interesting designs, some so iconic they become like characters in the show - all of them pretty realistic. I strongly suggest getting a background book about the Expanse when you are at 3+ episode of season 4 - too many spoilers to buy those earlier. Awesome concept art and tons of info.

[@732ReviewCrew]

Thank you for your kind words! She really is great as a character, we need more!!

[@corgiluver9718]

You guys continue to do a great job. Love this episode and can't wait for the next one.

[@ZakhadWOW]

I did a bit of work with an online Spanish dictionary to pin down the origin of "Rocinante" beyond just the horse name from "Don Quixote" and the translations follow: Root origin: Spanish word "rocín" 1. m. Horse of bad appearance, coarse and of little height. 2. m. Work horse, as opposed to the gift horse. A field horse. [insert jokes about looking gift horse in mouth here].

[@732ReviewCrew]

Very interesting. Love these little tid bits

[@jamesholland5761]

Great reaction guys! This episode and the next one are some of the best damn television I've ever seen! The character arc of Miller from a crooked self absorbed cop who plays like his an earther who actually finds pride in his heritage as a belter through an earther who fights for belters whom he has never met! Without realizing it there are character arcs that are continuing such as Holden, Chrisjen and Amos ! Ive seen these episodes more times than I can count! And its still an emotional rollercoaster! Looking forward to episode 5 " Home!"

[@732ReviewCrew]

If you notice Mikey and Mike almost both cried in this episode, next episode gets Mike. It was rough and beautiful.

[@jamesholland5761]

@@732ReviewCrew Hell it gets me all the time! I can only imagine what next episode will be like! So glad you are with them on this journey!

[@732ReviewCrew]

@@jamesholland5761 I'm so glad it was recommended to us. It's top tier TV

[@IanHillan]

Eros is a real asteroid in a real orbit. It cant change that orbit on its own. In fact it would take an enormous amount of energy to change the orbit of an asteroid that size. Edited for typos

[@bambusbjorn3508]

Eros does NOT have 0.3 g gravity. The spinning of the asteroid generated centrifugal forces for objects inside that FEEL like gravity, but in reality are just a result of constant circular acceleration around a fixed point in space. But NO GRAVITY which can be used by protomolecule whatsoever.

[@gravshark]

Gravity is a force that accelerates mass. The spinning of Eros generates a functionally identical force against the mass. So while its not gravity in the sense that we feel it here on Earth, functionally it is literally the exact same thing. Same with thrust on the ships keeping people's feet on the ground.

[@Dene181]

Much fun!

[@whtz9000]

Camina, Cara Gee. She is from theatrical background. That makes her 3x hot.

[@ZakhadWOW]

I originally posted something on the last episode, that Mikey (?) responded to, but I've since done some research and reworked it to try and help make it more clear... if that is possible LOL HERE GOES!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ For grasping a concept of how much time has passed since you first saw first view of the Nauvoo (several rings, but none connected yet) to the point of it being complete enough to launch, a few points of time and location reference: Think of several orbital rings from celestial bodies encountered in the series so far: [AU - Astronomical Unit; average distance between Earth and Sun, approximately 93 million miles]. Saturn - 9.52 AU from Sun, where we first saw Canterbury harvesting ice; Phoebe station in the Saturn subsystem, and the Scirocco and Nathan Hale were both racing to get there - Both MCRN and UNN had a small fleet tasked to the general orbital area; Jupiter Orbit Trojan Asteroid - 5.2 AU from Sun, and approximately 232 million miles ahead or behind Jupiter itself - 60 degrees around arc; where Scopuli trap was laid [it had to be in one of the Jupiter Lagrange points in order for the Donnager to be anywhere near in range to reach the Knight after it sent it's distress call), the Donnager being the flagship of the MCRN Jupiter fleet; Asteroid Belt - the Belt itself lies between Mars and Jupiter, roughly two to four AU from Sun, and spans a region about 140 million miles across from inside edge to outside edge - equivalent to 1.5 AU or 1.5 times the size of the gap between Sun and Earth.. (PROCESS THAT for scope and your head asplodes), and in a COMPLETE CIRCLE around the Sun. The Belt contains: [1 Ceres] asteroid (station), and Tycho Station, likely near a decent clustering of asteroids for mining extraction and processing (imagine how much metal it takes to build the Nauvoo); but we have zero idea how far apart those two places are, but at least orbiting at relatively similar speeds to maintain position; . [433 Eros] asteroid (station) - orbits in an tilted elliptical path coming as close as 1.13 AU to the sun (meaning it gets relatively close to Earth - outer side of our orbit) and reaching as far as 1.78 AU from the sun, which is out beyond the orbit of Mars - who the hell knows where it was situated when they first fled from it. Thoth Station - we have no idea of knowing where that station itself was, orbiting the sun in it's own relatively circular orbit, but somewhere in decent range of the orbital path of Eros, given that it needed the data transmissions sent to it (so create a different circular orbit for IT in your brain). ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ So we stretch from Eros at 1.78 AU (assuming we put it on the outer edge of its path) to Saturn at 9.52 AU -- And all of these objects are in different locations around their orbital paths authors never specify where - and could literally be on complete opposite sides of their orbits, and each orbital path has a vastly different speed: Eros being closest in moves much faster (643 days) compared to Saturn (10759 days). Even if you lined all of these bodies up in a straight line at start of show, they would have moved far apart by the time we get to the arrival of the Rocinante at Tycho the first time. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Chronology of Holden and Crew from, first episode to end of "Godspeed": Start at Saturn - ice harvesting; inward to Ceres but attacked in Jupiter orbit path; picked up by Donnager - itself heading closer to Jupiter system, if not toward Mars; fleeing inward to Tycho from Donnager site in the Tachi (Rocinante); inward to Eros searching for Polanski; outward to Tycho with horrific news; inward to Thoth for capture of information; back to Tycho with Cortazar; then heading back in last time to Eros to nuke the holes shut, while Nauvoo on the way to deflect it into the sun. There is no guarantee that any two points wouldn't be opposed in the solar system, meaning the ship would have to fly ABOVE THE SUN to cross over without going long way around. Living on Earth, where the locations of fixed places never change and are always mostly 2 dimensional, it is very easy to forget the 3 dimensional nature of space flight. The amount of time necessary to travel such insane distances back and forth, with orbital locations constantly changing, is MONTHS and MONTHS. That is the only way the Nauvoo could have been relatively complete and in the final systems check phases when it gets commandeered 🤯🤯🤯 ======================================================================= As native child of Utah and descendant of no less than FIVE Mormon Pioneer Families, this entire Mormon/Nauvoo storyline resonated far more strongly with me than anyone who *doesn't* have that background.

[@732ReviewCrew]

This week when we binge I will read this to the guys! Thank you so much I appreciate this. Also love when a show has something that relates to your life, I would love to hear why it resonates more

[@ZakhadWOW]

@@732ReviewCrew oh man that is a LOOONNGGG story but I'll try to keep to truly major points. I won't bother to tell you anything about their history before the city itself, or after they arrived in Utah. Nauvoo, Illinois - mormon hq and center of their religious "empire" on the Mississippi River: at it's height it was larger in pop. and influence than Chicago at the same time (circa 1846). Site of their 2nd temple ever built, destroyed once they fled the area and headed out to what was Mexico at the time, and that has since been rebuilt by modern LDS church once they threw a lot of money at the property owners to get the site back. The reason they were driven away ties to their collective cultlike behavior and deification of their founder Joseph Smith. "No Man Knows My History" is an infamous quote from him, boasting about his background, and a book written by Fawn Brodie. GO research that to learn more about the truly terrible charlatan, grifter, huckster, borderline pedophile, and sexual abuser he was. He tried to use the economic and political mass of the Mormons behind him to run for office, and also used the local Mormon ominated Masonic lodge to propel him to the top level of the hierarchical structure of Freemasonry, something that is supposed to take years if not a decade or more - but the local mormons in the chapter ignored that. That provoked the collective ire of a powerful group to which people like George Washington belonged - a truly stupid act. When a local small press nearby to Nauvoo began to publish articles exposing his and the church's abuses and misdeeds, he sent a squad of thugs to destroy the printing press to silence it. Sound familiar? (Germany 1933+, Russia 2010+, etc). This act, and the way the Mormons were refusing to do business with others not in their cult led to a rapidly swelling surge of hatred against them - similar to what they had previously provoked in Ohio and Missouri. They love to portray themselves as victims, but they always brought it upon themselves. Americans by this time were used to fragmented Christianity, and generally didnt care what you personally believed if you dealt decently with others. But their practice of polygyny (multi wives, including females under 17), their hostile and predatory business practices, and finally the destruction of the printing press finally ignited the dynamite. Joseph Smith was arrested and held in jail at Carthage nearby, and a lynch mob descended on the place to kill him. Official LDS (and other Mormon sects) teaching is that he was a martyr - but NO MARTYR EVER went out shooting at and killing other people in the process of their death - they go WILLINGLY - that is the key point. He hardly went willingly. All of that terrible series of events and their flight to the west are part of their fable of victimization they have been spewing ever since. To this day "Nauvoo" is a trigger word for their religion and always viewed thru a very twisted prism. To see this ship, built almost as s temple as well as conveyance, really resonates as someone who grew up within that cult. They claim 17 million members worldwide, but refuse to ever subtract from their count the millions of people who voluntarily leave it behind, or go completely inactive. They only ever subtract those they kick out thru their internal mechanism of excommunication. There might be 10 million active faithful members at best worldwide, and outside the United States and Canada the members behave a lot closer to traditional Christianity than they do in North America, especially those in the Mormon Core of Utah, Idaho, Arizona, Nevada, and Alberta Canada.