The Expanse 3x11 Reaction | Fallen World | They Are Killing Me!

[@AxyzGrid]

To answer your early on "what is THAT?!?!" about the orange stuff on the panel Namoi was trying to use: It is fire. It's in zero G, so it moves outward in all directions instead of just up. 0 G flames are terrifying.

[@blackpaw29]

Add it would tend to flow around people on contact

[@macmcleod1188]

The Behemoth was a generation ship. So it was always intended to spin for gravity.

[@garethlawton5278]

To add to this, yes, the ship was designed to take Mormons off to a distant star which would take thousands of years so they would need gravity for the journey for survival and breeding. Plus you need to be able to explore the planets in your new star system and if you've lived on a ship for 11,000 years in zero g and humans can survive such a thing like that long term... You'd need to have been exposed to gravity to not get crushed on them like the Belters feel on earth but it would be even more extreme as at least belters get gravity from smaller rocks like Ceres.

[@macmcleod1188]

@garethlawton5278 that's what I meant by the term Generation ship. It's a classic 1950s science fiction concept.

[@The_Shaft]

@@garethlawton5278 Crazy thing is, if you were to accelarate at 1g for the entire trip to Tau Ceti (which is where the nauvoo was going), It would take the passengers roughly 5 years to get there, and the actual elapsed time from Earth would be around 14 years. But Im assuming they wouldnt be accelerating at 1g, more like ~0.3 which would take 11 years and 17 years respectively. But even more liklely, it would only accelerate for short period at the beginning and near the end as well.

[@MattNolanCustom]

@@The_Shaft one has to assume that, even with Epstein drives, the fuel requirement for a ship that massive for.a journey that long, with no refuelling stops along the way makes it unfeasible to do 1g or 1/3g halfway, flip and the same deceleration. So the solution is to coast for much of the way and instead have spin "gravity" inside that huge drum, and take a lot longer to get there.

[@reverance_pavane]

​@@MattNolanCustom This is true. For example, the Canterbury (which was out at Saturn collecting ice), needed to coast for a while to save fuel. The Epstein drive is miraculous, but not totally magic.

[@rob7953]

The Behemoth (Navou) had a drum to simulate gravity for the long trip to another star. But it hadn't been tested yet. This is one of my favorite episodes, mainly because it solidified Drummer's status as a boss AND it revealed Ashford's true character (and made him a favorite).

[@michaelkreitzer1369]

The last half of this season is my absolute favorite part of this show. The crazy sense of the unknown, all of the rules changing constantly, all of the major powers equally powerless and vulnerable to this incredible event, humanity at its best and worst.. just brilliant in every way!

[@billross7245]

Ashford told Diogo in the last ep that he watched his child burn. Notice his burn scars. This ep he said he used to sing his space shanty to his daughter. Some great scenes between Ashford and Drummer. There are a lot of firsts in this show. What other sci fi film or show has someone going around with a shop vac cleaning up floating blood in the aftermath of a disaster? Those dead people in the corridor who looked like they were standing were floating with their mag boots still attached to the floor.

[@mishka300]

Everything following the grenade from Simu Liu is a change in the 'speed limit'. A reaction to something breaking the previous speed limit. The explosion in Naomi's ship is slowed because of zero g and the speed limit change. Every ship has been 'caught' because of the speed limit change. The Martian drop pod was unaffected because it was stationary. So long as it doesn't return above the new speed limit, it will be able to return. Melba (Clarissa) was going to kill Tilly until the sudden deceleration accomplished that for Melba. "Why some and not others." Any ship traveling above the new speed limit is caught very suddenly. Those individuals inside who were secured or strapped down, like Anna, were safer when the ships were 'caught'. Those in motion remained in motion, like the belter from the episode 'Delta-V' splattered against his console compared to the ship itself. They could not possibly have planned for a limited speed that would require a seven month journey from the nucleus of this space back to the ring gate. As for the Behemoth. It was the Nauvoo, a ship designed to travel several hundred years to a new star system. A circular vessel with the ability to generate its own centrifugal gravity would help those travelling along the journey. While the missle pods tacked on after the fact are not as reliable, because it wasn't designed to be used as a warship, the drum designed to generate centrifugal gravity (like it was designed to do) is reliable. They are fortunate that such a capability will help all those in the ring space that cannot get back to the ring gate with injuries that require gravity to heal. "We don't know what it is, pokey pokey." Similar to a monkey interacting with a microwave will only view the microwave as a light source when the door is closed and you turn it on (a reference The Investigator made to Holden); these humans are 'playing' with the ring space without truly understanding its true purpose. The end of this season is probably my favorite part of the entire show/series. Not just for what the characters learn about the protomolecule, but for what it sets up for the seasons/books to come.

[@bryanm1225]

Great post. Minor clarification: The slingshotter was deemed a threat and that set the original speed limit. The grenade was seen as a new threat and its (lower) launcher speed set the new limit.

[@peadarruane6582]

Thanks for mentioning the monkeys and microwaves comment. That passage was one of my favourites from the book. Remember no monkey ever made a frozen burrito lol

[@billross7245]

I have a T-shirt that has Monkeys and Microwaves printed on it and below a relief graphic of the scene from 2001 with the early hominids surrounding and touching the monolith.

[@LeeCarlson]

Naomi was not shot. She was experiencing seat-belt trauma (familiar to anyone who has been in an automobile coming to a catastrophic stop without airbags). Then her control board catches fire (and that is how fire burns in microgravity).

[@LeeCarlson]

The "magical" shot that Anna gives to Clarissa is a non-opioid analgesic to relieve the pain combined with a broad-spectrum antibiotic. Then a cast for the broken arm, similar to what was done for Amos' leg when they exfiltrated the Donnager.

[@PsychoMuffinSDM]

OMG Anna! You’ve been giving us so much expanse lately! Pace yourself! There are only so many episodes. Once you’ve seen them all for the first time, you can’t go back! Ok… how about this… the when you finish season 3, you have to wait 18 months for the next episode, lol. Also bare in mind we weren’t sure if it was coming back at all! Joking aside, make sure you are relishing this experience 😅

[@fluffy_walrus]

Truly one of the best episodes of the series, I remember seeing this for the first time being so tense and full of dread...and then immediately gnashing my teeth in frustration over having to wait for the next episode

[@raymondamador1487]

Two kinds of gravity, 1) thrust gravity, when ships are traveling through space they accelerate then flip and burn, then decelerate to stop. They have gravity from both. 2) Spin gravity. Your ship spins to create gravity. The thrust is too low, for thrust gravity.

[@kirkdarling4120]

Yes, Tilly is still alive. Havelock lived, Sabine lived, so Tilly lives. Amos noted Naomi's change of hair. Background tidbit: In the novels, Naomi was written to be shy with a psychological quirk of hiding behind her long curls. They dropped that quirk (and a very good thing they did...it would have been politically incorrect to give a black woman a psychological quirk over her hair), but they gave it a nod by having Naomi change her hair style every season. In the book, Anna was high on pain killers and also very angry, which is why she took after Clarissa. But on the way, she started to come down and wonder what the hell she was doing. Do you remember when Drummer was just Johnson's unnamed second in command in the background?

[@ReddwarfIV]

Oh no, not political incorrectness!

[@kirkdarling4120]

@@ReddwarfIV Black women and their hair is a subject that shall not be discussed as a quirk. It might have been Dominique herself who warned them.

[@ReddwarfIV]

@kirkdarling4120 My mum did the hiding behind the hair thing. It has nothing to do with race. Funny that someone of your politics is arguing _against_ neurodivergent representation. The much more likely explanation is that TV show Naomi is a more assertive person, and the hiding quirk didn't fit that characterisation.

[@kirkdarling4120]

@@ReddwarfIV All the same...wait. Why don't you test it? Go up to a black woman and make a remark about her hair. Or touch it.

[@ReddwarfIV]

@@kirkdarling4120 I wouldn't touch someone's hair without permission, no matter what race they are. It's so strange that you think all mention of black womens' hair is forbidden because a few idiots have problems with boundaries. In your world, do they get terribly upset when you compliment their hair? Because where I live, the appropriate response is to say "thank you" and move on.

[@pssthpok]

When I saw your unexpected drop, I channeled Avasarala from Season 2: "Today must be my lucky day!"

[@elroysez8333]

Remember, the Nauvoo was a generation ship that was to fly for over 100 yrs to get to its destination. It needed to be able to grow new food for the Mormons. The inner surface of the drum was meant to be covered in soil to create farmland. Spinning the drum would have allowed them to farm that land with both people and machines on the inner surface. In the book, Anna is given a huge dose of painkillers by Tilly (who is a much older woman who doesn't die) and she is basically tripping balls as she goes after Clarissa in a built up rage. Halfway through that trip the drugs start to wear off and she starts to wonder what in the Hell she is doing going after a murderer at all. It is one of the funniest parts of Abadon's Gate.

[@michaelgonzalez6295]

In the episodes I have not said anything about Klaes Ashford, but now is the time. The conflict here is not all that Ashford wants to take over the ship for Dawes. It is a generation gap thing. He truly believes in the idea of a proud Belter Nation, not just factions, disciplined enough to stand up to Mars and Earth, strong enough to fight if need be. He KNOWS Drummer is Captain, but being an experienced older man however a little trapped in his old ways of thinking from being "The Ghost Knife". Ashford has transferred a bit of his love for his dead child to Camina. This is another reason Ashford meddles, He sees Drummer as the perfect future Belter citizen, but feels she lacks the some of the finer points of command. So "dad" meddles.

[@davebcf1231]

It's the exact opposite of that. Ashford is the one who sees that belters can't be stuck in their old ways if they hope to be seen as equals to Earth and Mars, and Drummer is the one who is very resistant to change. It's the flip on the older generation being stuck in their ways and the younger generation being more progressive trope. We see it from the start when Drummer wanted to space the drug dealer but Ashford stopped her and gave her the talk about acting with greatness.

[@kirkdarling4120]

@@davebcf1231 It's both. I'm 70 years old with a daughter Camina's approximate age. While I can intellectually understand that great changes are needed in the way we view and do things, I'm also aware of how my own old thinking patterns interfere with how I approach them. And I get frustrated when my daughter is as unable to see beyond her current exigencies...as I was a her age.

[@iDuckman]

The actor who plays Klaes is perfect.

[@davebcf1231]

@@kirkdarling4120 I mean, IMO it couldn't be more blatantly obvious that the classic "old man stuck in his ways" trope was flipped. Ashford is the one advocating for change and following through on changing himself, whereas Drummer is the one very resistant to change and convinced that they'll lose their identity and culture if they do change. Ahsford isn't being interfered with by his "old thinking patterns." He's actively changed his ways from what he did as a pirate because he understands that they won't be taken seriously as a nation unless they have some sort of structure and rule of law.

[@kirkdarling4120]

@@davebcf1231 Well, we'll revisit later whether Ashford has been completely rehabilitated from his pirate ways.

[@hoos3014]

Our crew is trapped in a haunted house. "Winning" means getting out alive.

[@djin81]

The ship had a drum because it was a ship for the Mormons to spend generations travelling to the stars. Their crop fields were to be on the interior of the drum. Drummer and Ashford talking about the farm equipment was there to remind about the ships origin.

[@LeeCarlson]

The suit that Clarissa is wearing is the warehouse version of UN power-armor, used for repairs being done on the hull of a ship.

[@NigelSmith72]

"Adding eggs for future episodes..." They've been doing that since episode 1 of season 1... you'll see :) Plus those injections that Anna was giving away so freely were painkillers... which she'd had a few of herself before she went chasing Melba :)

[@peadarruane6582]

In the books it’s really funny, the reason Anna followed Clarissa because she was high as a kite on painkillers. Halfway to the Roci she starts coming down and thinks what the f$&& am I doing lol

[@garethneller8239]

Great episode, Don't forget the Behemoth started out as the Navoo (the Mormon expedition ship) that was meant to cut thrust and cruise to a new solar system. That would mean no "thrust gravity" the majority of the time so it had the giant drum to create gravity that way

[@gregweatherup9596]

The control panel in Naomi’s little shuttle/transport/work barge/whatever-it-is short circuited and started a fire. That’s how fire behaves if there’s no gravity.

[@garyphillips3406]

If you've seen Interstellar, the Behemoth is like "Cooper Station" that you see at the end of that film. The Mormons were going to live on the inside of the ship for hundreds/thousands of years while it travelled to another star and the drum would have spun to give the 'settlers' gravity to grow crops and livestock to keep them alive while on the journey. The Belters took it before it got its layer of soil, so the inside is just a big empty space with 'flat' metal surfaces that will become a 360 degree floor once the drum starts spinning.

[@IanHillan]

The Behemoth was the Nauvoo first. When Miller went to look at it S2E3, the Mormon explained that the ship would get up to speed and cut thrust to save reaction mass. Then the drum would spin to create spin gravity so they could live and farm on their 100 year voyage to their chosen star system. Pokey pokey is exactly what they're doing. Humans, amirite?

[@jamesholland5761]

Great reaction! It's interesting to see you get wound up with what's happening. When the Martian threw the grenade in the last episode the Protomolicule changed the speed limit within the ring space. So while ships were traveling at a maximum speed allowed then it instantly slowed the limit in a fraction of a second it cause a mass deceleration which injured and killed a lot of people! Looking forward to the next one!

[@LeeCarlson]

In the book, we learn that if Anna were not in shock and full of painkillers herself she would not have suited up and gone after Clarissa. Sometimes drugs are a marvelous thing.

[@michaelgonzalez6295]

The ship has a drum (spin habitat) bc it was originally for the Mormons to thrive in the 100+ year journey to colonize another star. Spin slows down or stops the changes brought by low or zero gravity. They would not have a "tell" as Miller told Havlock about in episode 1. They would still be super strong (compared to Martians and Belters) 1.0 gravity type humans

[@LeeCarlson]

That "little nightstick" is a high-capacitance taser. You don't think shipboard security is used to dealing with crewmen who are hopped up on some kind of drugs, do you?

[@ducktape160]

Mom and dad have a serious discussion in the ring near Uranus…. Back breaking stuff

[@putinscat1208]

Spinning the drum will help on the edges, but anything floating and not touching the drum would still be where it is. And worse, if it was floating towards the edge, it would crash when it hit a spinning floor.

[@rodentnolastname6612]

Remember when i told you to practice your OMG WTF face? Yeah, still valid. 😲🤣

[@petersmith6513]

RE: 23:00 It might be worth pointing out that this was meant to be the last season of The Expanse originally. That's why these episodes feel rushed and glossed over.

[@peterretep4009]

They also cover an entire book in half a season, instead of 1 book in 1.5 and then 1 season.

[@neospock5034]

"Wait... what?!?" The Anna reaction to Anna rescuing Naomi was priceless!

[@magus104]

while the seasons may feel different if you think about it the whole story has been about poking the proto molecule. they find it before season1 starts and are experimenting with it and all that leads up to eros and venus and the ring and now going into the ring to see whats going on. just humans trying to find some way they can use the proto molecule or how to interact with it.

[@DadJokeSamurai]

Honestly, your "I don't know what this does. Should we poke it or leave it or exploit it?" Basically is the plot of the first 3-4 seasons of the expanse. And I'm sure someone already said it, but the behemoth has spin gravity because it was intended to be a generation ship traveling for a hundred years. At some point they would eventually reach their maximum speed after which they would have no acceleration gravity anymore. Most ships in the system don't have that issue because their trips are short enough the can constantly accelerate towards their destination then flip and decelerate until they reach it, maintaining thrust gravity the whole time.

[@sallyshipwreck4315]

Haha,everybody's stuck in purple goo, including us! You are so funny!! tnx

[@C76Caravan]

I mean... you don't have to watch the whole show in one sitting, if you're not a masochist... but then it will be masochistic due to all the amazing cliffhangers 😜

[@ThePharaz]

Probably best to have a small port-a-potty, several gallons of water, a microwave oven, and some ready to microwave meals, strap yourself in and watch for 62 straight hours, and then crash for a day while processing WTF just happened.

[@golfr-kg9ss]

This is one of my favorite episodes if only for the interaction between Ashford and Drummer. The Ashford character in the series is way better than in the book. As for Anna she's a little high on meds otherwise she would have never taken an EV suit and followed Melba. You learn this in the books. So there are 2 kinds of gravity a ship can thrust and spin. The Navoo/Behemoth is a generation ship it doesn't have the fuel for constant thrust gravity for it's long journey. So they built the drum section in it to spin so they could have some gravity on their long journey.

[@LeeCarlson]

Bobbie asked and Holden told her.

[@pacio49]

You said for the last episode that you had been having a 'day', so I think you aren't properly grasping the scale of events inside the Ring. It's all right. But if you have time, I'd take a quick moment to go back and watch the last half of the last episode over again and pay close attention to what happens and how suddenly it happens when Simu detonates the grenade. In the moment that the Lieutenant got grabbed by invisible force and disassembled to become proto-spackle to fix the divot in the floor he made, all of the ships slammed to a sudden and massive halt all at once because the speed limit changed, and the purple 'cyst' glow grabbed them all and began to pull them into the center nucleus like it had done with the belter ship, the missiles, and the probes Mars launched to sort out what the exact Speed Limit was originally. I watched you watch it, but you failed to react as expected in the moment, so I really think you were just tired from your hell day and didn't really grok what was going on. As for "what are they doing now?" the agenda is suddenly "Survival" for everyone on the inside. The support ships that were going below the New Speed Limit are still free to move, but they're too small, and it would now at new speeds take 7 months to get back to the Ring, and there's not enough room on board for them to carry 7 months of food and water for even one person, let alone a whole crew with passengers. It's all right. You were having a bad day. Pour another raspberry liqueur and go rewatch the last bit. It'll make the rest make more sense once you see all the massive ships slamming to a halt simultaneously.

[@LeeCarlson]

The Behemoth has a drum because it was the Nauvoo, a generation ship to travel between the stars and would need gravity when it was not using its Epstein Drive.

[@richb313]

Anna is on board the Rossi with the crew Holden is with the Martians the Behemoth has a new Captain the rest follows from there.

[@dallesamllhals9161]

20:02 Oh yes! Oh G's 😲

[@Hapsard]

hmmm .... ok, first "no coming back from the unknown"? ... 😛 ... Is that what they told the first guy to ride a rocket into space? (ok, he probably died, but the next guy?) ... the first ones to the moon? ... the first into challanger deep? ... lets just leave that there, but say that, like Apollo 13, things can go wrong, but you work the problem like there is a solution. As to why some were killed and some weren't when the speed limit changed, you are right that impalement would be a factor, but also where you were and what was around you when it happened ... in a car, if you get rear ended, if you are sitting forward whiplash is likely, but if you are sitting back with your head against to or close to the headrest, maybe not. The ships were going a lot faster when they stopped than a car. Anna was in her bunk with a gel mattress under her, so ... yeah. Lastly, the Behemoth, as the Nauvoo, was built to take the Mormons to another star system. It would not have had fuel enough to provide thrust "gravity" the whole way (which is the gravity you see on most of the ships on this show) so they would have been on the float for a long time (lifetimes?). Humans don't do well in zero G even without wounds, so they have the drum to provide spin "gravity" for the physical and mental health of the travelers. As Fred stole the ship before it could be finished, it never had been tested. This episode is great. The dynamic between Drummer and Ashford alone is story telling at or near it's best. The only note I reallly didn't like was the continued fanaticism of the martian marines. It's not that I haven't met people like that, but to think that an elite soldier would disobey an order to kill an unarmed prisoner already in custody ... one who might have intel ... I don't know, I just think they would have washed out of the system a long time ago. Anyway .... ❤❤

[@billbabcock1833]

You had a question about gravity. There are 3 kinds of gravity. All mass has gravity. The more mass, the more gravity. That's why the moon has less gravity than the Earth. There's acceleration gravity. As long as you're constantly going faster, you have gravity. Stop accelerating, even if you're going 1000 mph, and you have no gravity. Decelerate and you have gravity in the other direction. Then there's centrifugal force, which is the force directed outward from a spinning axis. So when the drum spins, if you're on the axis side of a wall or bulkhead, you're pressed against that surface. I know I oversimplified all of the Newtonian physics, but it's kind of boring. 🙂

[@MattNolanCustom]

The Expanse would make Newton proud. There aren't actually 3 types of gravity though. There's just the one: gravity. The others are forces that mimic gravity. Kinda boring, I know...

[@billbabcock1833]

Absolutely right. I was over simplifying. You've got to hand it to the writers. No magic "artificial" gravity, and the ships have their decks perpendicular to their longitudinal axis. They also flip the ships 180° for a decelerating burn so they're not peeling crewmen off the ceiling every time they slow. The attention to detail is amazing.

[@raymondamador1487]

You might want to breakup the next reaction into two parts. ☮️

[@theoriginalkimerli]

7:56 none

[@michaelgonzalez6295]

This is The Expanse, so everyone has a dark side. Rev. Dr. Ana's sin is hubris and pride. She is acting selfishly in a way worse even than Alex did. Being a religious figure, she should be living the example she preaches. So when it got dangerous and the civilians left, I feel she should have gone home to spouse and child and not stayed. Also going to The Ring and back is a 1 year trip, so going to The Ring expecting God or protomolecule to reveal it's Plan to her without an invitation from God/Proto seems really egotistical.

[@johnniequinn3215]

To most religious teachers, God rarely makes thier wishes obvious. Ana chose to go thru the ring for the adventure; but she also chose to stay to give aid and comfort to the crew. Both selfish and selfless.

[@michaelgonzalez6295]

@@johnniequinn3215 I agree she is one of the better people to be sure, but I do not agree so much about the selfless part. Not knowing all that was happening with Bobbie and Holden or the Behemoth, she chose to chase after Melba in rage over Tilly's death rather than hospice and comfort the (then) dying people on her ship. I cannot say more because SPOILERS!

[@johnniequinn3215]

@@michaelgonzalez6295 did she chase in rage though? That seems out of character with how she has been since we first met her.

[@MattNolanCustom]

@@michaelgonzalez6295 in the books it is clear that Anna was high due to overdosing on painkiller shots, so not really in here right mind when pursuing Melba. However, without spoilers, we will see later that she is indeed not entirely saintly, but is at least self-aware about it.

[@michaelgonzalez6295]

@@MattNolanCustom I have watched the entire series, but have not read that far in the books yet. I stand by my statement. I need to point out that is not a compelling argument. As a personal belief, I treat ALL TV shows as a different, though similar, universes from their book / video game / manga / comic book counterparts. So, currently this is the only Anna that exists to me. When I get to book 3 and 4 I will compare book Anna to TV Anna, but I still won't expect identical individuals.