The F.A.S.T. Pistol Test - Start Shooting Better Episode 14

[@BleedRum]

Coin 17 here. Push the draw. Push the reload l, take it easy on the split speeds.

[@LuckyGunner]

Solid advice.

[@nickwilson9004]

Recently went back and binge watched them all in order...I am amazed at John’s body transformation! Well done!

[@BallisticRadio]

Thanks!

[@axp8598]

I need top surgery

[@AndrewTooyak]

Indeed... First opponent is oneself.

[@bsmithhammer]

Ran that test when I did a course with Langdon last year. It's definitely harder than it seems, and a good assessment of how one synthesizes several important skills. This is a good reminder I need to incorporate it back into my practice.

[@nrbrown5985]

This is one of my favorite pistol exercises. I was fortunate enough to earn a hat pin last year. I finally got under 5 seconds clean this year. Now to do it in a class...

[@TruckerJoe]

What’s the distance from target?

[@LuckyGunner]

@Trucker Joe 7 yards

[@LuckyGunner]

@nakinate Nice work! Hat pin is no joke, either. I don't even have one of those

[@nrbrown5985]

Lucky Gunner Ammo it really isn’t easy. I totally botched my reload, but I was able to stay calm and came in just under 7 seconds. Having Ernest and the entire class watching is a different kind of pressure than I was expecting.

[@ryknife13]

I think a start shooting better episode focused on dry fire would be great right now.

[@LuckyGunner]

Probably. We might have to bring in a new guest for that. Both John and I acknowledge the benefits of dry fire but we both hate actually doing it.

[@stovepipe8966]

@@LuckyGunner I trained with a SIRT pistol and the LASRX program for 2 months while my range was shutdown Can hear your hits and times etc Went back to live fire a better all round shooter Was fun to do movement drills without having to rack the slide back on a snap cap during target transitions or reloads Can dry fire with my DA/SA but then your always just practicing your DA pull - wears out your trigger finger lol

[@rolflews]

T.REX just did a whole episode on dry fire, Lucas got your back

[@tacticaltruth6Actual]

I use a Sig Airsoft M18 for training. You will be surprised how well a GBB Airsoft gun replicates the real thing.

[@stovepipe8966]

@@rolflews Ya - watched that - good video - I I see a lot of folks at the range that haven’t taken any training and probably aren’t using dry fire to learn proper mechanics - it’s hard to watch all that ammo being wasted on bad practice :(

[@MiHa-ss7lm]

Great drill, will go in my tool box. I love the idea of a cold drill in the beginning....this shows your skill level at that day, brutally honest. Thanks for sharing, greetings from a swat member from Germany

[@loyp4328]

A good drill that demonstrates that speed is a consequence of good shooting fundamentals, not a goal in itself.

[@Buletspunge555]

Focus on the process, not the results....it took me forever to understand that and I STILL booger it up at times ;)

[@indiangunner]

Can you guys please do a video of how to defend a store/shop? I think it would be quite helpful and relevant for a lot of small business owners. Thanks!

[@jeffbeasom5227]

Tried it this morning for the first time with my Sig P320RX full size. Surrender start from IWB under concealment and did 7.0 seconds clean. That was on my third try, but all were in the intermediate under 10 seconds range. Definitely will be one of my regular range drills. CCI Blazer Brass 115, if that matters.

[@heeebeeegeeebeee]

Best series on LG!

[@brecherxp9795]

Greetings from Germany. Your channel is one of the best of its kind. Good stuff, go on.

[@jb8086]

First off, really enjoy your channel. This F.A.S.T. is new to me, very much appreciate you sharing this. Looking forward to seeing just how terrible I am. Thank you for massive cut my ego is about to take.

[@swaghauler8334]

I have to say 2020 SUCKS and I need a "pick-me-up." Can I request you upload a Manny Mansfield video sometime this fall? I love it when Manny pops in. :)

[@LuckyGunner]

Manny is waiting out COVID drinking bourbon in his hammock in the back yard. I doubt we'll see him for a while.

[@swaghauler8334]

@Hopeless An interesting change! ... wearing Lysol like sunscreen, drinking Bourbon like vaccine. Quarantine, quarantine, oh lonesome quarantine! kzbin.info/www/bejne/f2TboYWQfrmcaNk

[@ReverendMeat51]

Not a coin but I got a sub-7 hat pin from Langdon that I'm still proud of

[@odinKoS]

Glad to see this series coming back. Great series, keep it up!

[@Quality_Guru]

Always love your videos and the how to shot better. How about a revisit of 22 LR pistols for ammo that you can actually buy. Or perhaps review skills that don’t require us to use up our ammo.

[@artwebb6939]

Glad to see another installment to this series

[@harbinger8208]

Great training and test, thanks!

[@GaveMeGrace1]

Thank you! Great challenge for use as a diagnostic.

[@RaderizDorret]

Todd Green is the biggest influence on my pistolcraft. I never had the chance to train with him but I came into his original 9x19 forums as a dumb kid who didn't know better asking what gun I should pick for myself. He gave me a 5 step plan. 1) Go to the NRA and learn how to shoot. 2) seriously, go to the NRA and learn how to shoot. 3) I mean it, go to the NRA and learn how to shoot. 4) this is gospel: go to the NRA and learn how to shoot. 5) once you do this for a year, now you can pick your sidearm. I only wish I could have thanked him in person for correcting my foolishness before he passed.

[@michaelgreen7511]

That was a fun class and look forward doing it again.

[@klrscout]

Good to see you and 0.5 Jon back.

[@gaydes1012]

as someone who fired a handgun 1 time using wax bullets at a county fair, I think I'd get one clean hit on myself drawing the gun and then proceed to get a lightning fast time of DNF while the guy with a first aid kit patches me up. but that's just a wild guess.

[@VTPSTTU]

That's an interesting exercise. Thanks for the video. It's been years since I've done anything in under five seconds.

[@JohnCBobcat]

Have to say, I haven't run this drill much since...oh, shortly after I took Aim Fast, Hit Fast with Todd back in around April or May of 2010. Thought I would do better, but only got "Intermediate" in the class. And if memory serves, I was so "shot out" from trying to really drill down on a couple skills in the class that I actually did worse at the end of Day 2 than the end of Day 1 or beginning of Day 2.

[@jakedistlehorst6190]

Thank goodness it’s back!

[@JJ.ermenegildofregna]

Good to see you again👍

[@miketanner1920]

Really cool info seems like a good tool to have in your arsenal of things to practice and to gauge what you should be working on to help you become a better shooter .keep up the good fight. Thanks

[@deadonleprechaun]

your videos are awesome, keep them coming!

[@lucien4980]

Good info as usual. Thanks fellas.

[@louispoliskie7708]

Great content this is something I will have to practice with.

[@rustyshackleford9604]

When is 9mm ammo coming back to Lucky Gunner?

[@damage175]

Believe me it's not just lucky gunner it's a lot of places. Ammo is low right now.

[@LuckyGunner]

Hah, no idea man. We've been getting in a little here and there but it usually sells out within hours. The minute we have more, it will be live on the site.

[@vitaly6312]

I’ve been having luck finding it at academy sports outdoors stores actually. If you have one nearby I’d check them out. Call them each morning as they open and see if they have any. I typically call around the stores right as they open (or slightly before if they answer) and be prepared to drop everything and head there right away. Just my 2 cents.

[@ianaquila1858]

Lucky Gunner Ammo, *paging Gabe White, Gabe White to aisle 1 please. His constant sub-4.0 second work on this drill is INSANE.

[@orca11]

I'll trade you 2 boxes of 124 grain Fiocchi for a Honda Accord 2018 or newer under 50k miles.

[@romans6two338]

What happened to your PX4? I thought you were shooting that and/or DA/SA pistols. Nice shooting too.

[@LuckyGunner]

Still got it. Still a great gun. If anyone decides to make a decent DA/SA that's the size of the Sig P365XL and optics-ready, I'll go back in a heartbeat. But they haven't, and the PX4 is bigger than I want to carry for 12+ hours a day.

[@mick_1976]

Lucky Gunner Ammo wouldn’t that be great? I still carry the PX4 full size anyway though.

[@romans6two338]

@@LuckyGunner I hear you, I wish any of the manufacturers would make a DA/SA that size I think it would sell, but we most like SF. Review the Springfield XDS Mod 2 if you can get one to review. I think you could possibly like it, it has an extra layer of safety with the grip safety and is pleasant to shoot and reliable and I think it would be an interesting presentation that a lot would enjoy if they can get past the politics. Have a great week.

[@jerryjohnsonii4181]

Thanks for the knowledge, Guys !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@thereindeertherabbitthebat592]

Really good info. Thanks guys 👍

[@samhinnant4416]

Love the Fast Drill. My best time was with my Staccato P at 4.74!

[@bryanshaw4434]

Great advice. Thanks

[@roflchopter11]

What's the range/distance to target?

[@LuckyGunner]

7 yards

[@stovepipe8966]

I run this test a few times at the end of most range sessions Best so far is 5 seconds clean @ 7yd OWB from surrender Doing it twice in a row for a coin is a really impressive feat Run it from 5 yd too for fun - can get as low as 4.5 It’s a great way to test quickly building a proper grip off the reload otherwise those 4 fast shots are not going to stay in the 8” I also will run it with a SIRT pistol and 2 mags and the LASRX program with the goal of around 3.5 - going at that speed really tests your muscle memory - but without recoil ,so not possible to replicate in live fire I agree with Lucky Gunner that you need to train each component separately as part of your range or dry fire practice before attempting to put it all together at speed without thinking about the individual elements

[@ChristofHarper]

Excellent. Nothing to say except "commenting for the algorithm"

[@sonnyburnett2417]

Nice price gouging - thanks!

[@cedartop1]

I have failed to get the coin 3 times. Once with Todd and twice with Ernest. I also witnessed John come close to getting it, but no cigar.

[@NotHunterCooper]

I'm expecting a lot of really good LuckyGunner content coming up... BECAUSE THERE IS NO AMMO LEFT TO SELL

[@Rif_Leman]

$5.00 per round. Offer that and find yourself swimming in ammo.

[@mattbrown5511]

Nice presentation. I was looking on your link for ammo. Do you know when you will be getting .357 Mag in? I prefer130-150 semi-jacketed hollow point (usually Remington green and white box. Thank you for any input, even if it is a video. Thank you for the reasoned, relevant information.

[@adamkreuz9068]

Damn, doing this cold would definitely be difficult. Hey when is John finishing his review of the 229 Legion?

[@Maelstrom8]

I've been wondering about the 229 review as well. Very curious.

[@adamkreuz9068]

@@Maelstrom8 especially since they were going to have a giveaway for it

[@Maelstrom8]

@@adamkreuz9068 *Curiosity Intensifies*

[@ryknife13]

My guess is that it sucked.

[@adamkreuz9068]

@@ryknife13 I'm thinking that too

[@parkerpatrick5860]

How about shooting the Old Air Marshal course

[@LYLEWOLD]

i was gonna ask what was the point of this exercise, since i expect 2 head-shots would drop most bad guys,making the 4 body-shots superfluous. but since you mentioned this as an assessment, not an exercise, now it makes more sense. don't train to it (don't study the test), just practice and see where you are (or chart your improvement). thanks fellas. serious question - has anyone done a tactical mag drop and won the challenge? ;-)

[@JFNIReverse]

Can you like only one taurus revolver or semi auto pistol , because guns can over price sometimes chris.

[@jeremywilson6949]

Where can I get the target used here? Great video

[@LuckyGunner]

Search for pistol-training.com official target and you'll find it. There's also a printable one on pistol-training.com but you have to use legal size paper. An IDPA target and a 3x5 card works too.

[@RobActiveShooterEngh]

hit National Target and look for the Q-Pt target under miscellaneous targets

[@borkwoof696]

Any plans do take a look at Colt‘s Cobra?

[@Matthewkey25]

@luckygunnerammo, How often do you have to replace carry ammo? I know that it is a difficult question, and some scientific reasoning behind it.

[@vivekdaga85]

Hey there I’m fairly new to your channel but been through a lot of your videos and love your content and articulation. But why no mention of Webley and Scott revolvers?? Or have I missed anything?

[@elijahbrooks8589]

What’s some drills for our current situation. Dry fire

[@alonzahanks1182]

These guys are too slow to be dry fire practicing . First Always have a loaded magazine in gun with empty chamber and dont ever load the chamber in your house.PERIOD Dont ever put any thing in front of the muzzle that you dont want to destroy. Dont point the gun at any one. Youl be developing strength to hold up the gun . and strength and speed of trigger finger You start at one room in your house randomly You speed draw looking at your gun eyes flip back and fourth in a thousandth of a second You draw and double tap nick nacks and pictures on wall alarm clock any thing you count your shots and just use the front sight you reload and drop old mag on floor if you only have one mag put it in pocket and re draw it while running to next room and never start on same nick nack twice the more random the better even if safety wont engage with empty chamber hit the safety coming from the draw right as you are edging on your target. Keep room to rooming it youl get realy good. Its actually the best shooting drills you can do people have won world cups with nothing but dry fire practice. be the god fearing moral man You can say or do anything in this world but be prepaired to take the consiquences for them Do not say black lives matter Its a exuse that criminals make Color there are people good and bad of all colors. you will find God will not judge you by color and neither will I If you embrace being a warrior of god he will show you things other people can not see And a skill set no one else has . Dont say Im black Say Im a American And I will kick your ass Welcome to the club kid. And your Welcome

[@JamesJohnson-rp9px]

Anyone know where to buy the targets used in this video? I can't find them for sale anywhere. Yes, I am aware that there are alternatives. I am, for my own reasons, interested in these specific targets.

[@OutsideTheTargetDemographic]

Chris Baker. What watch are you rocking? Seiko?

[@LuckyGunner]

Citizen EcoDrive

[@PaparazziMarc]

Where can I get that target? Thanks

[@gunmonkey6545]

Great video and explanation but I don’t have the ability to do this because I only have access to an outdoor range once a year and I can’t do this at my indoor range. I never carry an extra magazine anyway so I was wondering if there is a drill you could recommend for an indoor range? My range does allow rapid fire. I have never had a malfunction with my carry gun but perhaps substituting a malfunction clearance or two for the mag reload would work. Anyway, respond if you can, or anyone else out there, and thanks again for the video.

[@LuckyGunner]

I don't know what restrictions your range has, so I'm not sure what to recommend specifically. But if you take a look at our Start Shooting Better series playlist, you will probably find at least a couple there that you can do. You might be able to do Dot Torture, the 5x5 Drill, or the 5-Yard Roundup.

[@etebol]

what are you shooting? Sig P365XL?

[@LuckyGunner]

Yes

[@halidespecialist8562]

Damn Chris. Where did you get that shirt? Great content by the way. Love your channel.

[@LuckyGunner]

The Dad Shirts n' More Emporium

[@Edge51]

Just went outside and ran this. Glock 19.4 TLR7A/HS507c using weaponlight it was dark. 8.1 sec first attempt 6.4 sec second attempt not misses. First time ever running the sequence I think I did ok. My reload is where I lost most of the time.

[@Skidjit]

Still have my "Say No to Derp Abuse" shirt from the "Rampage for a Cure" campaign.

[@docb1844]

YES!!! only 6 rounds

[@howardfriedly3235]

Can you run this drill by taking the body shots first, reload, then the head shots, similar to the failure to stop drill? I don’t want to develop the habit of going to the head first.

[@martinto138]

Dude... It's America. Run the drill any way you want.

[@gflores182]

Y’all should try running this between two guns. A g44 and a g19. Because of all this ammo shortage.

[@mattwhite9046]

What's the distance to target? How would revolvers, long DA semis & pocket pistols change the drill?

[@LuckyGunner]

7 yards. Todd was pretty adamant about not adjusting the par times for different types of guns. The standards are the standards and if you can't meet the standard with your carry gun, then too bad. That said, a DA semi-auto should not be a handicap at all.

[@mattwhite9046]

@@LuckyGunner thanks!

[@paulh6101]

Did yall try with an owb rig?

[@LuckyGunner]

The F.A.S.T. is specifically designed to be shot from concealment. It can also be done with a duty rig with a retention holster with some adjustments to the scoring. There are no standards for "gamer" rigs as it's meant to be fired with your actual carry gear. John and I both carry AIWB, so that's how we run the test.

[@paulh6101]

@@LuckyGunner I hear ya...were the par times based off apendix carry? Considering strong side will technically be slower on the timer all other things being equal...

[@LuckyGunner]

The par times are based off any kind of concealment rig. AIWB might be a hair faster for some people, but not by much. Several of the coin winners shot it from strong side rigs.

[@paulh6101]

@@LuckyGunner ok thats good to know

[@johnelder7449]

what is the distance?

[@coleliddiard1148]

Any idea when 5.7x28 will be back on the store

[@LuckyGunner]

No idea. Might be a while. Most ammo companies are focusing on the more common calibers.

[@PerfectTangent]

Good talk

[@NorthWestCavalryman]

What distance is this test done at?

[@LuckyGunner]

7 yards

[@HARML355]

I love your reviews, I just wanted to say you are a bit off the mark regarding sights. I was taught that with the pistol up to 15yds you should be able to point and shoot, no sights, and (when I was younger) I could. Focusing on the sights in a combat or self-defense situation takes too much time. Honestly, I do not even consider pistol sights unless I am 25 yds our or more. If things come to me or them, sights are the last thing I am going to consider...

[@WarlordKronos]

This seems to be setup for getting better at self defense shooting, but rarely do shoots go beyond the first magazine. Why not have multiple targets instead of doing a reload?

[@rodneyalaking8241]

Agree. And focus on center mass first instead of head shots.

[@Buletspunge555]

Listen to the hosts again. This is meant as a measure of skill, of unconscious competency. Try to get 5 seconds and you'll see how hard it is. As they say, only 18 + Todd Green out of 1000+ students. If someone wants to shoot multiple targets without reloading, there are plenty of different drills that address that. Also, changing gears in real time, under pressure, accuracy, breaking grip, reloading, rebuilding grip, and 4 quick shots is really a measure of a large skill set I, one small drill. Just shooting at an array of targets isn't measuring much by comparison.

[@SuspiciousGanymede]

Ammo tip: look for premium handgun JHPs, most ammo sites have some in stock. FMJ is sub-optimal, why not make your gun the most lethal it can be?

[@Doogie15]

we buy FMJ for practice, not for lethality

[@SuspiciousGanymede]

@@Doogie15 exactly, FMJ for practice JHP for defense. Everyone stressed being prepared, that means your skills should've been developed by now. Why wouldn't you train with JHP to familiarize yourself with POI, recoil impulse and reliability?

[@bgarza5506]

Christopher Rodriguez you’re that guy

[@Predalien195]

@@bgarza5506 He isn't wrong though... It's called setting yourself up for failure. When you say shoot 115gr 9mm standard pressure for practice but 124gr +P for self defense, recoil impulse, impact shifts, reliability in your handgun, and etc are all important factors to know. I don't suggest you shoot up like 300+ rounds of the stuff in a given range session but you should be shooting it more frequently than you are. This is why a lot of the handguns I use for self defense use ammo that is loaded to the same spec. It's why Winchester, Federal, and I believe even Remington loaded up "Train + Defend" type loads. Where they have an FMJ load and JHP that are loaded to the same weight and powder charge, so there will be no difference when running in your gun. Federal's line is what they call a "Versatile HP" because it's frangible when shooting steel plates for practice but still expands well for self defense. End of the day it's to each their own. It's your time, money, and potential for your life and the lives of those who may depend on you and not mine. But it's something you really should think about.

[@bgarza5506]

Christopher as someone that has taken over 35 hours of training this year, I know he has a point. It’s the way the post came across that makes him sound holier than thou, specifically about if you haven’t prepared ....let’s face it JHP are very expensive and most people can not afford to be shooting that like its FMJs including myself. I do take a few shots of my carry ammo after each range session just to make sure to get a feel for it..I carry Federal HST 124 grain and it’s not like it’s a 180 difference from a 115

[@jamesstamm1840]

When is lucky Gunner going to get some 38 Special ammo back in stock

[@LuckyGunner]

We're not sure, but whenever it comes in, it will probably sell out before the end of the day, so just keep checking.

[@FishFind3000]

Never. Everything is sold out everywhere

[@1234aaaaaaaaaaaa]

FishFind3000 I’m sorry to hear that. In Montana we have a whole bunch of ammo.

[@linkbond08]

These people burning ammo, while I'm calling stores 50 miles away just trying to get any ammo at all.

[@rodneyalaking8241]

Try www.ammoseek.com for up to the minute availability of all calibers.

[@martinto138]

Buy it cheap and stack it deep. I grabbed Ks of 9mm right when Covid kicked the stock market in the balls. Also, get some reloading gear and start collecting the necessary dies and other components as you can find them

[@tompitta3283]

I just bought 1K of 9mm from lucky gunner. You need to check every day and strike when the ammo is in.

[@djbradles]

You guys need to start selling ammo to Ma and not be so afraid.

[@TruckerJoe]

I’m guessing the distance is 7yds??

[@LuckyGunner]

Yes

[@LL-fi4rr]

Does anyone know Chris’s height/weight? He mentions he’s a smaller guy but I see him carrying a 365XL so I’m just wondering what his size is.

[@donchumley7723]

God gave you 2 eyes and 2 hands so you can shoot 2 guns. Twin G23 gen3's Tomb Raider style ftw. 🇺🇸😎🇺🇸

[@nathan0717]

Fundamentals first

[@colton100]

So this was one of the test types to measure ability’s based off times rather then practice it over and over. Which others do you consider to be in the same category from the rest of the series .

[@LuckyGunner]

Honestly, most of them are that way. The actual stuff you do over and over to improve is really boring. Most of the tests and drills are not that helpful for getting better until you break them down into smaller and smaller pieces. Those small pieces are what you have to practice a bunch (e.g., break the drawstroke into three or four pieces and practice each piece. Practice clearing the cover garment and getting a grip on the gun in the holster. Just that part by itself. Over and over and over. Slow at first, then faster and faster.)

[@colton100]

Lucky Gunner Ammo I thought that might be the case. Though I think its all a blast not necessarily for video!

[@ignaciovaccaro2745]

Last time i was this early i got 1200 from the government

[@johnherian781]

My cold best is 5.24....over all ave. is 6.55.Someday I'll break that 5.00.

[@therond.patron4959]

I got an advanced rating 6.20 clean

[@troybingham6426]

Did I miss it? I didn't hear what distance you're shooting from.

[@meidamx]

Get some.

[@joeh9503]

Distance?

[@ianscott9396]

7 Yards pistol-training.com/drills/the-fast

[@J96342]

Bear solutions dril

[@RTR_RRoomes73]

It’s about time. Lol

[@willr4880]

Yessssss

[@ROTPS138]

Hey, I love your guys's content I love watching the channel, but for the love of God please get a better microphone. The sound that comes through is so damn low I have to crank my volume all the way up to barely hear you.

[@ROTPS138]

Last few videos since the lockdown have been coming through much quieter than normal. Other videos have no problem

[@LuckyGunner]

Hmm... we haven't changed anything. Same mic as always.

[@ROTPS138]

@@LuckyGunner cool, guess it's just me. Either which way, great content, thanks!

[@stevenkennedy4130]

BLAM!!

[@grahamman74]

357 Magnum ammo please. PLEASE!!!

[@LuckyGunner]

We're working on it.

[@lexustech48]

I think more people would be inclined to really hone their skills if there were some ammunition available at reasonable prices....

[@AOMartialArts]

Here I am... An average guy who can't afford brass. I dry fire like a mad man but we all know it's not the same.

[@6Sally5]

I’m wondering if Keanu Reeves was given the opportunity to try?

[@Petetony]

I thought this was going to be about the Wyatt FAST protocol Fight Assess Scan Topoff

[@jessegpresley]

No, this is just a test of shooting skill.

[@jameslooker4791]

So you guys are getting ready to start your own ammunition factory, right?

[@LuckyGunner]

Hah, even if we wanted to, this would be the worst possible time. Components are just as hard to get as ammo right now.

[@thinktwicespeakonce482]

*generic ammo availability question*

[@moxigen]

im sure i get below 7 sec. with a few tries, but under 5 sec. 2 times... pfff doubt it.

[@Sam-iw6te]

Quit telling me to buy ammo. I dont have money and you don't have ammo >=(

[@LuckyGunner]

Might I interest you in a case of .32 ACP? :P

[@nrbrown5985]

Lucky Gunner Ammo yes please actually. I have a Tomcat to feed.

[@Sam-iw6te]

Actually I could use that brb