What More Evidence For God Could Atheists Need? | Talk Heathen: Throwback

[@Goettel]

"More evidence", they mean there finally is some? I might have missed it.

[@catborg780]

Right. Can't wait to see it

[@waynedexter]

You have missed it. There’s plenty of evidence. It’s just none of it is remotely in the ballpark of being good….

[@aaronsasinowski8004]

You mean you didn't look at the trees lol

[@mistylover7398]

​@@aaronsasinowski8004 😆 waz bout to say Dat lol. Besides 📖.

[@CrimeGato]

This was a delightfully nice call, I'm glad they don't all have to be cuss outs

[@clemstevenson]

I don't know if I could be considered nice for being a brutally honest atheist. As an atheist, you see, I don't consider it moral to peddle afterlife threats and promises. I have found no reason to believe that anyone can have an afterlife of any kind, and no reason to believe that anyone is being judged. Christians seem to think that their beliefs give them the right to judge others, and that angers me.

[@Alen-gr1xm]

That's precisely what makes Christianity unpalatable to me as an atheist as well. Even when I tried being a believer, I was unable to talk Christianeze and bug people with what I perceived as baloney claims.

[@clemstevenson]

@@Alen-gr1xm Yes, the awful thing about Christian beliefs is that everyone has to be burdened with guilt, and then offered a way out of the consequences. There is no supporting evidence for the existence of divine law, and the NDE claims appear to be dependent upon the beliefs of the claimant. Whilst I don’t assume that all NDE claims are fictional, I don’t believe that any of them are anything more that the intense dreams of people under extreme stress.

[@Alen-gr1xm]

@clemstevenson I agree with everything you stated. My dad had a near-death experience, and there was no vision or mention of any god since he didn't believe back then. Fast forward twenty-five years, and my mom has kind of nudged him into sounding more like a believer, but he's dealing with some serious health issues and doesn't have much time left. He was expected to pass a while ago, yet here he is. It's tough to watch him suffer and hear him in pain. Honestly, it feels like life from beginning to end doesn't really connect with any loving or caring deity.

[@clemstevenson]

@@Alen-gr1xm From what I’ve heard, the ‘missing god’ scenario seems pretty common. I’m pretty sure that it’s induced by stress, as my only ‘experience’ had been a ‘tunnel’. That was when I was a kid, and I had only been anesthetised with gas, for dental work. My wife has never reported any such thing, even after being under anaesthetic for hours for a major cancer op in 2009. If that op, conducted at the Royal Free Hospital (hospital buildings have been situated there since the 19th century), London, had not been successful, she would have died in 2009. Speaking of bodily organs, it is obvious that humans were not ‘created’, as they are clearly composed of recycled old parts. Some of those old parts are now considered vestigial.

[@mistylover7398]

And wonder why we're at a gamble war with da religious decepticons believers lol.

[@frankflegg8968]

I'm a bloke but you two have such lovely voices. You have intelligence, empathy and are a dream team. All the best to you both and respect to the caller. Great video. Thank you.

[@johnzackarias11]

No need to mention one’s gender to acknowledge a positive trait in another person ✨

[@Evan-k]

Any evidence whatsoever would suffice

[@michaelfox2433]

I believe the most honest answer is,...I dont exactly know what would convince me of a gods existence but, if said god exists, he certainly does and would have no problem conveying it either personally or through another. No such thing has ever happenned though so either he doesnt actually care or he doesnt exist.

[@HansZarkovPhD]

I would believe if a faith healer prayed over an amputee and it grew back. Or, if an alien race arrived and presented us with a bible that was identical to our own.

[@robertfreeman6082]

Although neither of those is evidence for the Christian God, but at least there would be things we could test and explore further.

[@Penrodyn]

The trouble is the first could be that the healer is in fact a super advanced alien with amazing tech and the second could simply be that they checked on us first, took a copy of the Bible and claimed it was their copy. Evidence for a god is very hard to pin down.

[@tekbarrier]

John seems very nice and open minded

[@brianmonks8657]

Any evidence at all would be a start. "I don't understand how X exists/works naturally, therefore god did it" isn't evidence for a god at all. God could just show up, that would be a start at least.

[@SuperKiobi13]

We gave you old ass story book what else could you need?

[@mistylover7398]

More lol

[@tedgrant2]

Every tribe has myths, but Israel is different. The stories from Israel are all true !

[@johns1625]

Any evidence at all would be great. It would also help if Christianity didnt fail even by biblical standards, considering messianic prophecy exclude Jesus from being the messiah.

[@davidszeremi1786]

I'm very interested in the prophecy. All I know so far is the mother was a young woman but not a virgin. The child was to be born in Bethlehem. There is no reason for the Nativity story except to bootstrap the prophecy. Jesus who was probably named Yashua (a very very common Hebrew name) was from Nazareth

[@FanofMillan]

@@davidszeremi1786 There is a site called the deconstruction zone on KZbin. The dude on there was a Christian and has an unbelievable knowledge of the bible. His topic Jesus fulfilled no prophecies, Christians tie themselves in knots. Such fun!

[@starfishsystems]

The question reveals a profound misunderstanding. We don't START with the conclusion we'd like to be true and THEN go out looking for evidence to support it. We first look at what is true and then try to see where that data might lead. It's a bottom up methodology that first establishes a basic understanding of reality and then gradually builds toward a more comprehensive, more complete account. When you start with your conclusion already spelled out and committed, you've got to build up an entire justification for it - and preemptively discard all completing hypotheses - before you can reach a point of declaring that you were right. In other words, you have to invest everything you have in the conclusion before you have even preliminary data which favors it. Isn't this the perfect setting for cognitive bias and cjerty picking? And isn't it also a perfect setup for a Sunk Costs fallacy?

[@jarodcarnarvon5198]

Lloyd is funny LOL

[@RobertSmith-gx3mi]

I'll seriously examine any and all evidence that wins a person a Nobel peace prize for proving the existence of the supernatural realm and any of the gods alleged to reside in that realm. Why don't you contact that Nobel peace prize winner caller and have them pass along their evidence to me?

[@Leith_Crowther]

The Nobel peace prize is not the same as the Nobel prize for science.

[@RobertSmith-gx3mi]

@Leith_Crowther Okay, then the Nobel Prize for scientific discovery of the supernatural realm and the gods that reside in the realm then.

[@ShadowMan-z3r]

Matt never gives an answer other than "I don't know, but God does," which seems like the same cop out answer that Christians give when atheists ask questions like "do you think I am deserving of Hell?" "Only God knows." How about God comes down from the sky and talks to all ofnusnin the same time in our respective languages, so that not a single soul could possibly deny what they just say. There's no way a worldwide mass hysteria could occur everywhere at the same time and in every language known to man. If that happened, there's no way anyone, even the most stubborn people, would be unable to believe, as that would be clear, 100% evidence, and if would be the only thing we would be able to prove with 100% certainty, assuming it also proved it's not some kind of alien running a simulation with absolute control of the system and can manipulate our programming so we could all hear it like they're the developers on a game server and it's a server side toast message.

[@GoodBrotherGrimm]

Bull. Matt speaks for matt, the people who he asks that question to are telling him what God thinks, so they should know.

[@ShadowMan-z3r]

@GoodBrotherGrimm What do you mean bull? That's the answer I always hear him give, "I don't know, but God should know what would convince me." I think you misread that.

[@djehutisundaka7998]

Evidence for miracles requires consistent examinable demonstrations of miracles, not mere unexaminable reports of improbable or otherwise impossible events.

[@dariosotherradio]

@05:50 Are we not all just "prawns in some cosmic game"?

[@davidszeremi1786]

The theist position is that God built Disneyland but we are a couple in a corner of a broom closet playing chess. Our world is a tiny percentage of the solar system, that is a tiny percentage of the galaxy, that is a tiny percentage of the observable universe, which may be a tiny percentage of everything. So much made for what? It's like having the United States of America and our whole existence fits in a postage stamp. What is the rest of it all for if God made us?

[@chrischapman6039]

9million is wrong. Add 7million and you are nearly there. 9 mill my hairy arse

[@nagranoth_]

any would be a good start... Johm, it's not our problem what your evidence looks like, we aren't looking for evidence. Are you looking for evidence for the tooth fairy? No? Because that's just silly? Yeah... that. If you want to convince people of something absurd, you figure out how to do that.

[@H_x_mxx]

Section 1: Evolution as Punishment] From a theological standpoint, linking the biblical narrative of the Fall of Man to the biological process of evolution is not new. The interpretation you've provided suggests that the labor, struggle, and eventual death described in Genesis can be seen as metaphorical for the evolutionary process. This view would resonate with some Christian thinkers who argue that the world's imperfections are a result of the original sin. However, mainstream science views evolution as a natural, non-teleological process that does not imply any moral judgment or punishment. Evolution, in the scientific context, is about adaptation and survival through genetic variation over generations, devoid of any inherent moral or punitive intent.

[@Ghalaghor_McAllistor]

Too bad that it's not evidence for god. The bible is the claim, NOT evidence.

[@H_x_mxx]

The word is truth the truth is the word the word is with God​@@Ghalaghor_McAllistor

[@albaniahenry-franklin2829]

​@@H_x_mxx The Word is truth, the truth is the Word, the Word is with the one TRUE God Ahura Mazda! 🤣🤣🤣

[@Ghalaghor_McAllistor]

@@H_x_mxx The bible is the CLAIM. So *you need EVIDENCE from OUTSIDE THE bible* that demonstrates it's CLAIMS are actually TRUE. How can you not grasp the fact that - just because a book says something & you believe it doesn’t mean it’s actually true? *Saying the bible is proof of itself is circular logic.* The bible makes the claim, it doesn’t also verify the claim.

[@Ghalaghor_McAllistor]

@@H_x_mxx Got any EVIDENCE to back up that CLAIM?

[@stevewhite6861]

I'm an Englishman so US politics have no bearing on my life but I have to just make a remark here, not all Republicans are arseholes and neither are the Democrats, although I must say I despise the left I also despise the far right, I would rather there be a slightly right wing government in power than a lefty one, this has been shown here in the UK to be better all round, just look at the cretins that are in power now in this once great country of ours, the left always destroy the economy, every single time, this bunch have just done it in record time.

[@joehorn1762]

If you think our politics don't affect you then you already failed at your point.

[@Evan-k]

You're obviously a right winger, get over it you're a pos

[@44yvo]

This after 14 years of tory government, including brexit.😂

[@nagranoth_]

sure buddy, your current government cause brexit and all the financial troubles that come with it.... If the left always destroys economy, why is it that less right governments in the US most of the time restore it?

[@stevewhite6861]

@@joehorn1762 They don't effect us, why do you yanks think the world revolves around your country?

[@chadb9270]

Oh, the older shows are great, pre-pronoun bullshit.

[@demetricorcovelos1114]

What you are choosing to be so dismissive of is actually something that while tiny shows the support of a community of people that appreciate how evidence when valid & presented is accepted & used to inform a healthy & positive change in the world

[@QillelElohim]

So you don't use the English language 😂

[@Jeremy-xu3yu]

Repent of your sins. Believe in Jesus Christ for salvation. Become a new person in this life. John 3:16, Matthew 4:17, 2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV

[@SuperKiobi13]

No

[@graveseeker]

You're going to have to do better than quotes from the book of fables and fiction, my friend.

[@FrikInCasualMode]

Why do I have to repent for anything?

[@Ghalaghor_McAllistor]

Do you think that slavery is wonderful? *Leviticus 25: 44-45 KJV* Not to forget *Numbers 31: 17-18 KJV*

[@Ghalaghor_McAllistor]

*KJV Psalm 137:9* Happy shall he be, *that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against* the stones.

[@petyrkowalski9887]

It would be progress to have « some » evidence let alone « more ».

[@Onbronco77]

I’ve lost so much respect in my fellow Americans !!! The stupidity astounds me .