The Falcon And The Winter Soldier Pitch Meeting

[@strangeward-v2]

“Oh I don’t know how to feel about this guy but I’m captivated” is the perfect description of John Walker.

[@lluewhyn]

"CAPtivated"

[@loganpaxton56]

@@lluewhyn THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING

[@peterpidrak9501]

I agree. It’s amazing how many people are feeling to understand the depth of this character and how he suffered by doing what we asked him to do to the point where it screwed him up and he still trying to do the right thing. You can look at them and say hey that’s wrong hey that’s bad you’re falling short of that superhero mantle you are failing to live up to what you’re trying to be but he’s trying.

[@johnwarren9102]

I loved that statement! He played his role perfectly and I hope people can understand that he is different than his character

[@bobpobcf9723]

I always liked US Agent and its pretty cool to see some of my favorite superheroes become more popular like him and moon knight

[@bottlecaps2741]

The "twist" with Sharon was so telegraphed I was beginning to think she wasn't the powerbroker.

[@GAshoneybear]

I know right?! I think I was more surprised at Bucky being the Winter Soldier than I was at Sharon being the powerbroker.

[@bcmcbride518]

I was more surprised that Sam became Captain America.

[@JachAnen]

I get the point about Carter being hinted at early on as the Powerbroker, but I honestly just saw her as another player in a city filled with them, set in a comic universe with plenty of that type of characters to include. So I can see why someone would guess it, but someone being certain of it means to ignore parts of the show

[@bcmcbride518]

@@JachAnen They made it super outside for people who read stuff about the show week to week. They kept saying, it's someone you seen before and then Sharon just shows up in the city the Powerbroker is in.

[@JachAnen]

@@bcmcbride518 But they'd already been doing a lot of BS for Wandavision. You can't trust what they tease will happen, only what actually happens

[@screenfandom]

Karli is such a sympathetic character *Blows up a building with people in it*

[@DiegoAPrado-bf8xz]

The killed innocent people, but they aren't terrorists. LOL

[@boilingsnowwater2121]

do better senator.

[@DenderFriend]

The point of her arc is to show that she's losing herself in the plan, though; she does that blow-up-building thing right after someone she loves dies due to an illness contracted in one of those crowded camps, so it's clear she is emotionally devastated and angry.

[@pigeonLeroy]

This shows misplaced morality was shambolic at the best of times

[@thalesanastacio760]

@@DenderFriend How this exactly makes her sympathetic though? Everyone suffers, but not everyone blow up a building filled up with civilians

[@alexpollock6932]

Finally someone mentions the senator at the end. He brought up a great point and Sam just gives him empty words

[@showmeyourmoves8551]

Sam totally should have been in prison for actually on the side of the terrorist. Thaddeus Foss should have been in the show and order for an arrest.

[@alexielmarquay]

Sam made no sense and they played it like he made a great speech. That part was really disappointing.

[@grimlord3181]

@@EventualWarlord But according to him, they aren't terrorists.

[@Arnell_Mediocrity_Long]

Sam was cool.✊🏾

[@SouthernTip]

Everyone is a terrorist to someone else.

[@danielsmith9130]

"So it's very sad-" "IS IT?....." Literally, my mood the entire series...

[@thathandsomedevil0828]

XD

[@L0rdskywarp]

When Lamar died tho...

[@hammyofdoom8355]

@@L0rdskywarp that wasn’t bad. Issayahs story tho

[@Namchha1]

Is it sad? is it? IS IT?

[@mouseinthehouse_]

@italkcrab Do they though? Do they really?

[@ca6koto0]

Karli after bombing that building : "The only language these people understand is violence" Karli after John Walker kills that dude: *shocked pikachu meme*

[@braddl9442]

And in the circumstance it was understandable how that happened.

[@RealogOnlyBrodie]

Karli: his life didn’t matter (Lamar) Twitter: calls her racist Me: I can’t say she didn’t ask for it, but I’ll never side for Twitter

[@jjackson6082]

Twitter said she’s racist? She has a Jamaican father and Irish mother irl, she is a biracial ginger that’s a double minority lol

[@taeshikkim6598]

@@jjackson6082 And do you think Twitter is a logical place?

[@ImperativeGames]

You don't understand, it's different! It's only OK to kill people when they do the killing!

[@lucasfilmsphotography]

Still wish it was called “Captain America and the White Wolf” at the end. It shouldn’t have said Winter Soldier because I feel like the whole point of the season for Bucky was to drop that persona Edit: Captain America and Sergeant Barnes could’ve been cool too, being as he was a sergeant and even a cop calls him Sergeant Barnes in the finale

[@Zyrox_.]

𝕀𝕄 𝕊𝕌𝔹𝕀ℕ𝔾 𝕋𝕆 𝔼𝕍𝔼ℝ𝕐𝕆ℕ𝔼 𝕎ℍ𝕆 𝕊𝕌𝔹𝕊 𝕋𝕆 𝕄𝔼 𝕎𝕀𝕋ℍ ℕ𝕆𝕋𝕀𝔽𝕀ℂ𝔸𝕋𝕀𝕆ℕ𝕊

[@Max1990Power]

maybe the season 2 could reverse it? Focusing on Bucky and making him the white wolf?

[@nunyabuisness8268]

@@Max1990Power is there gonna be a season 2? I thought this was a mini series

[@lucasfilmsphotography]

@@Max1990Power I want a movie about Bucky in like the 1900s as the WS just for like a cool movie but also yea season 2 making him the white wolf

[@imveritasproductions]

@@nunyabuisness8268 they are making captain america 4 movie with sam and bucky

[@UltimateWarrior206]

Wonder why Walker is a bad person when he kills one person but Falcon kills loads in the first scene. Zemo is bad and hardly kills anyone but Karli who kills and sets buses of people on fire is just misunderstood 🤔 Worried about Disney logic right now. 🤔

[@ImCptnAwesome]

Walker injected an illegal substance into himself then smashed the head of a surrendered combatant. That's not the same as Falcon--a special operations airmen--killing enemy combatants in battle. I'm not even speaking from a point of opinion, most governments have rules of engagement and the distinction here is clear.

[@bern9642]

Watch the show again, all the supposed bad people believe they are doing the right thing. Walker, Karli and Zemo. In the end, Walker changed his way and became good.. And Walker decided to kill that person in front of the camera and with people filming. He lost control. When falcon is killing people he is still in control and does it because it's the plan not because he's angry.

[@CouchSpud91]

Walker killed someone that was surrendering. Falcon killed people that were trying to kill him first. It's that simple.

[@CaptainPikeachu]

@@CouchSpud91 Did you forget that the “surrendering” person seconds ago was actively restraining Walker so that he could be murdered? And who’s to say the people fighting Sam wouldn’t have surrendered if he had given them the chance? Maybe he blew them up before they had the chance to surrender?

[@alpacawithouthat987]

@@CaptainPikeachu Well if you're in battle most people aren't going to have the chance to surrender. That doesn't make it the other person's fault for shooting the enemy before they can shoot first.

[@garrettgeary5531]

The half-whisper, half-bored "Our movement is strong" and "It's time to make ourselves heard" is spot-on

[@JustinZarian]

Yup. They really need to stop casting this actress in tough roles. She’s bad at it

[@davidhenriques4829]

@@JustinZarian Shes in the beginning

[@ThreadBomb]

@@JustinZarian It's just bad writing.

[@JustinZarian]

@@ThreadBomb having seen her in this and Solo give the same weak performance, I doubt it. I’m sure she could do fine in a different role, but she can’t sell tough or charismatic

[@ericb4127]

@@ThreadBomb Unfortunately the whole show looks like bad riding via politic dujour.

[@hunterkiller1440]

So, is Sharon Carter going to have a song? Why? Because Agatha Harkness had one. No, I don't feel like writing one. Fair enough.

[@JTZombiE]

it was Sharon Carter all along 🎶

[@beeawesome8071]

we got the football band version of the star spangled man with a plan

[@memerminecraft585]

"It Was Agatha All Along" would've made more sense if it actually was Agatha all along

[@6thgraderfriends]

@@memerminecraft585 It was Wanda All Along. Who's took everyone's memories? It was Wanda all along. Who played everyone like a puppet? It was Wanda all along. She's mourning. So depressing! She's lost everyone she's loved and the problem is (problem is, problem is, problem is, problem is) She's the strongest of them all So we watch the sitcoms that she made Thanks to Wanda. Depressed Wanda. It was Wanda all along. And my children still exist somehow!

[@sameerkhaleel2027]

I really wish there is more to Sharon Carter story, can't destroy the Carter name like this

[@improvgamerl0l210]

Scriptwriter: And then Karli is gonna talk to one of the flag-smashers about how she wants to become a teacher one day Producer: Ooh, very nice Scriptwriter: And then proceeds to blow up a building!

[@roysmith770]

A batch of 60s terrorists became teachers.

[@Xenomorphine]

@@roysmith770 True. And the show should have made an effort to reference that, if only for how seriously chilling it is.

[@mattlemasters557]

Producer: Ohh my God!..

[@oneandonlysound3453]

but she's mostly peaceful!

[@Kev24]

“Oops!” “Whoopsie!”

[@wisnuwardhanahere]

I love Marvel but can't shake the feeling that Sam's speech doesn't make any sense.

[@themysteriousmoomoo3116]

I honestly think it was because disney is trying to act woke and be like "people who are fighting for political purposes who are fighting for causes they think are good using violence is fine". This would also go along with 60% of the entire show being about how people of color are still extremley oppressed in 2021.

[@nacho007]

Political propaganda

[@Kev24]

I get what they were trying to go for and the overall message was fine, but I also got this feeling that the speech wouldn’t land well with the audience

[@jcdenton2187]

This is a constant issue I had with the show, that it felt like they never wanted to fully commit to anything. The villain is radical, evil, and kills innocent people with no remorse, and she's a charismatic leader, BUUUT also she's really just a horribly misunderstood shy girl trying her best. The Flag Smashers have... some vague plan I guess. The racial commentary feels like a mix of being genuine and also trying to pander and appear woke, but also not trying to appear too woke. It felt like I watched a show that was more interested in preaching to me how America hates black people and black people are still super oppressed in 2021 but also the show was afraid to even fully commit to telling me that. The most interesting bits were ironically the storylines with John Walker and Bucky because it mostly felt like the stories had the most focus there... well, except for how John Walker gets punished for killing a single actual terrorist while Bucky and Falcon have killed plenty of goons themselves with no issue. Falcon as a character hasn't been very interesting to me and most of his story aspects feel confused. I wish we got more of Bucky but it feels like he got sidelined to focus on non-commitingly telling us how America is still super racist instead.

[@ImCptnAwesome]

The main point of the first half of the speech was that the Senators were so far removed from the common people that it took a horrific event for them to pay attention. The second half was that after careful consideration, he is Captain America.

[@gen2917]

“Oh Karli is full on EVIL.....” “Uh no.....we’re going to act like she’s just misunderstood.” Nailed it!

[@sameerkhaleel2027]

They did the same with zemo, zemo killed as many people if not more than karli but they succeeded with zemo and we don't think of him as full on evil but failed with karli

[@latetootheparty]

She’s very misunderstood

[@webdesignerplays]

@@sameerkhaleel2027 that's because Zemo was portrayed as an anti-villian, Karli was not

[@sameerkhaleel2027]

@@webdesignerplays yeah, they wanted to portray karli as a anti villian too, otherwise they would not have made her blow up the building, but they failed, I guess the writing was bad as it was with sharon

[@webdesignerplays]

@@sameerkhaleel2027 I honestly think the writers couldn't decide wether she was going to be a villian or not so in some scenes she's pure evil and in other she's a poor girl who doesn't know what she's doing

[@scottmorgan2947]

Karli the supersoldier with advanced healing factor dies from a bullet to the gut. Sharon Carter takes a bullet to the gut and walks it off without an ambulance. Plot armor is the real superpower.

[@forgottenrights351]

Was Sharon wearing bulletproof armor? It seems like a thing she would do, considering she's former SHIELD.

[@daviouscram2101]

Yeah but you see this is the character killing gun from One Piece.

[@mrj4479]

i think sharon is skrull they have hard skins (shown in captain marvel) :)

[@darkphoenix_7759]

she shot her multiple times not sure if the serum can do anything at this point

[@merlith4650]

While it increases your durability, super serum still does not make you bulletproof, you will die to bullets. And in this case it also doesn't give much of a super healing either, as Walker gets his arm broken and it still hasn't healed when he is shown in court.

[@leinad8894]

“And then Karli is going to say ‘I dont want to kill people not important to my cause’ even though she bombed a building killing a bunch of people a couple episodes ago.”

[@ruga-ventoj]

Denial and excuses are a helluva drug.

[@leinad8894]

@@ruga-ventoj onE wOrLd onE PeOplE

[@sameerkhaleel2027]

I mean just like zemo, he says he doesn't want to kill people just super soldiers but blew up the United Nations building

[@ruga-ventoj]

@@leinad8894 e.e...are..are you mocking me? I'm not defending Karlo or disagreeing with you. I'm saying Karlin was not taking responsibility and making excuses for the bad things she did. So I don't get why the sarcasm. Did you misunderstand me?

[@leinad8894]

@@ruga-ventoj noooo lmao dw I wasn’t mocking you, I get what you were saying so I was using the sarcasm to mock Karli and her motto. Like in response to genuine criticism, all Karli says is that vague motto- so I wasn’t trying to mock you I was trying to mock her.

[@Ocean-blvd.]

Senator: “So what should we do?” Sam: ”Do better…” Senator: “Uh… you gonna help make it better… or?…” Sam: “Nope!”

[@ihavenocommonsensebut2008]

I can’t believe people actually defended that scene. They made it cannon that Sam has no idea how the real word works besides being a soldier

[@yamanibryant-mccray2243]

LOL

[@blahblah6497]

One of the most Cringe-worthy Scenes in MCU History.

[@noneya3635]

But the said that thing the kids say, so it’s great amirite?

[@alexielmarquay]

The show made sense, and then they had to ruin it with that scene. Sam was completely disconnected from reality with that dialogue.

[@nabeehaalam8351]

“ He actually doesn’t seem like such a bad guy... But he’s such a bad guy... But he’s not that bad eventually kinda... But not great! ” *Very accurate description of John Walker in the show* 😂

[@HariSeldon913]

Walker wasn't evil, but he was egotistical and convinced that he was always right. When the armored car was about to fall, it was a wake-up call for him that his duty was to be a protector, not a killer.

[@Deadpool-kb5yo]

Not all characters need to be black and white. I'm not saying he's well written but this is kind of a flawed criticism.

[@VivekYadav-ds8oz]

@@Deadpool-kb5yo The problem is that the show tries to portray him in either a black or a white light. He would've been okay as a morally grey revenge machine.

[@myth3516]

@@VivekYadav-ds8oz yeah I felt the same way. I think some of his behaviour is very common place in our day to day world, especially the ego. So it wasn’t too odd to see. He’s definitely a grey character. It’s more realistic that way and I wished the show did more to showcase that

[@chanilerner6410]

@@VivekYadav-ds8oz yeah, the writing on this show was awful.

[@Shome2049]

Sam: this girl died trying to... Senator: trying to do what? Sam: ...trying to kill me.

[@horusgarcia1]

Yeah, she needs to go to the raft too.

[@Drawnartist]

Hahahaha

[@Marvelfanatic3658]

@@horusgarcia1 but she dead

[@horusgarcia1]

@@Marvelfanatic3658 Is she? It's Marvel, nobody really dies.

[@LXW-Arts]

@@horusgarcia1 exactly

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

"Baron Zemo is gonna do a little dance" Still the best scene in the show

[@wardgeys4175]

i think that says enough about the show as a whole

[@damienlu7318]

Not really

[@dunkbuscusgaming7016]

I didn't even notice it, I don't even know which episode it was in so yeah they definitely should have ad more than just a second of it.

[@coryv5679]

If you think that is the best scene then yeah this show is just terrible.

[@gilbertjacobs3705]

they should've gotten Justin Hammer to dance with him

[@jackalope3215]

About halfway through the show I asked my husband, “What’s the flagsmashers’ goal again? I can’t remember what they’re trying to do.” He couldn’t tell me.

[@bern9642]

Apparently they deleted the whole subplot of what the flagsmashers wanted because of covid-19. It had something to do with a pandemic which Disney felt was too close to home so they changed it

[@postalflap]

@@bern9642 Apparently that rumor wasn't true.

[@bern9642]

@@postalflap the writers calm it was true.

[@DOC_951]

@@bern9642 apparently people can say whatever they want if they don’t cite their source

[@kingetzel2755]

I'd say that sums up a lot of similar groups. No clear, definable goal beyond "better" and no clear, definable path to achieve it. Past progressive movements had definable goals with measurable outcomes. Something like "We want the right to vote" is a defined goal with a clear path and a measurable outcome. Generalizations and constantly shifting goalposts don't allow for defined goals with clear paths and measurable outcomes.

[@gq244]

"He is fully protected except his head where his brain is." LOL

[@bushidotestu1997]

It worked for Gordon freeman

[@rosiericketts9347]

Lol this made me cry 🤣

[@filmnobelpreis]

That's where he's the least vulnerable. Much like the writer of this series.

[@EugeneHarsamto]

This one made me laugh

[@emerced30]

Glad someone finally mentioned this part of his outfit... lol

[@ssorayaya]

"and there's also this other flag smasher who seemed very uncomfortable with karli's methods." "so we're going to have him turn on her at the end and make him a major character?" "it definitely seems like we're going to do that, but no." "okay that works, too."

[@rafliavriza3651]

Building up things that aren't gonna be in the plot is TIGHT

[@stevenloube6784]

Well I don’t mind that. If they don’t build up things that seemingly go nowhere shows become very predictable. I was actually 100% sure Sharon wasn’t the Broker because it was so obvious. In a way, they threw me off the trail! Lol

[@harishnarayanan5707]

Karli : "I want you to get all the way off my back about that"

[@samspiano7070]

@@rafliavriza3651 yk they had to have a MAJOR rewrite at the last moment due to covid so that’s why a lot of the things that seem to be going somewhere end up not having any impact at all

[@rylewx]

@@samspiano7070 it definitely seemed to me like they changed direction a lot in the finale.

[@nairocamilo]

In _Falcon and the Winter Soldier_ the writing got the Uncharted treatment. Minions can be killed without remorse, but the main villains or their chiefs must be talked to before a fight can happen.

[@highdefinition450]

Sam kills a helicopter full of criminals in the forst episode and everyone's just cool with that for some reason but when Walker kills the guy that was helping Karli kill him, now it's bad? Hmm

[@themysteriousmoomoo3116]

This is one of the reasons i really disliked this show

[@bobpobcf9723]

@@highdefinition450 you cant kill the person trying to hold you down so they can stab him 😠😡😡😡🤬

[@sheharyarkhan1531]

Uncharted treatment? Nathan and Sam only killed in self defense in uncharted. They try to avoid cold blooded murder.

[@thekeegster6278]

I feel like a bunch of movies fall into this trap. I can’t think of any off of the top of my head, but it definitely is common in a lot of movies today.

[@Girl-di5dg]

You know what pissed me off? When Lamar died, they all kept watching and sam and bucky literally did nothing to catch karlie and her followers. They LET them escape just because plot

[@soundwavevr6164]

They didn't do anything when Captain Douche straight up murdered that guy either.

[@Girl-di5dg]

@@soundwavevr6164 that too!

[@ExeErdna]

@@Girl-di5dg It's a whole reason why I dislike people trying to root for Karli like "yeah she's justifed" like are you bloody crazy. Nothing she did was good. Lamar died only so his best friend can be slandered because "optics" of IRL are more important than comic accuracy. Since in the comic USAgent didn't want to fight Falcon at all until they setup Falcon to look bad and made him get the shield back.

[@nont18411]

Not to mention that Lemar died because Sam and Bucky was so shitty at their job at supporting Walker and Lemar.

[@coderelease9145]

@@soundwavevr6164 excuse me but I think the way you hate him is so hypocritical. you have no problem with Sam killing so many terrorist while you have a problem with a white guy killing someone who murdered his best friend. talk about being pathetic

[@Flint_Inferno]

"I don't know how I feel about this guy, but I'm CAP-tivated" That joke deserves all the awards.

[@justthinking650]

wtf that went over my head

[@n1hondude]

Glad I’m not the only one who noticed it 😆

[@horseoperamarker]

Yes

[@nevergonnagiveupuntilibeco5690]

@@n1hondude same

[@Lastwartipsandtricks]

“Karli is going to try really hard to kill Sam because she’s a sympathetic character.” 😂

[@MrHublibubs]

Haha yeah I heard that in the video too!

[@itsjavy]

Hahaha

[@caroline10081]

Walker tried to kill Sam too AND he ripped Sam's wings off but he IS a sympathetic character. What's a little homicidal rage between friends? These are tough times we're living in.

[@nont18411]

@@caroline10081 except that the show always tried to paint Walker as a bad guy, but not to Karli

[@theinsurance2450]

@@nont18411 yeah because woke.

[@Greeves421a]

".....he's completely protected, except the top of his head where his brain is" I can't breathe from laughing so hard

[@owl77]

Even Cap wear helmet. Just saying.

[@abrashio]

Yeah falcon not having a helmet be a part of his kit despite being special forces is strange. Warren Worthington III makes since as he is a mutant but Sam is pure human

[@INCOGNITO-iq4qy]

@@owl77 to be fair most superhero suit designs are impractical even Cap's cowl, whenever i see a superhero like Cap and Batman i keep wondering why bad guys don't just shoot at their mouth?

[@INCOGNITO-iq4qy]

@@owl77 unless you're Hulk and Thor level beings they should have a suit that actually protects their whole body. I think Black Panther and Iron man has the most practical suits because it actually protects their whole body.

[@GoldPrince2468]

@@owl77 Even Cap wore a cap.

[@svetlanaandrasova6086]

2 years and I still cant believe they made a guy who killed 1 person in a heat of an anger the villain while the literal terrorist was just a misunderstood kid with a good cause.

[@johanstinson]

Which character is a minority and which one isn't?

[@wittyjoker4631]

Yea its baffling that a bunch of real world villains would make fantasy shows depicting villains as victims and heroes as monsters....

[@nothajzl]

This show was made by hypocrites, dont even bother analysing it

[@maybrittwilkens6149]

Well, that was well put

[@johanstinson]

The terrorists were analogues for illegal border jumpers

[@deep.space.12]

"Karli is going to be trying really hard to kill Sam because she is a sympathetic character" She was literally pulling the trigger at Sam right before she was shot! At least depict some hesitation jesus christ....

[@hailey7368]

Then she only apologized after being shot and realizing she failed 🙄

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

And Sam was like "I can't fight you!". LMAO!!!

[@cenciende9401]

They did, not very good at the whole 'paying attention' thing are you?

[@bubbz2978]

@@hailey7368 Exactly! We were all sitting there thinking she totally deserved it.

[@thfkmnIII]

the show's almost BLM: the Superhero Series

[@ABigFingShark]

“Sharon is going to shoot her dead so it’s very sad.” “Is it?” Lmao

[@backtothebasics3288]

best line in the entire video

[@silverblade357]

It's not.

[@zakenmaru8612]

"Now sad music is gonna play" "Why?" "MUMMA DONYA"

[@egacide]

sharon is suppose to be evil, but she shot a terrorist ringleader, that makes her the hero of the show to me.

[@gizmo8760]

@@egacide IKR? Nowadays it's sad when a terrorist gets shot while attempting to kill people.

[@michaelbook7033]

I didn't even realize that we weren't supposed to know that Sharon was the power broker.

[@carmen_says_hi]

I just kind of forgot about the Power Broker.

[@zamhobby9662]

Power Broker is a villain? Sharon become the bad guy now, after Steve Rogers left her?

[@andeolevain]

I'm apparently the only one who did not see that one coming. I love being so oblivious to movies hints. It makes them more enjoyable.

[@Zom13y]

I thought the twist was she was actually working for Madame Hydra the whole time as a front for the Power Broker.

[@zedechiah]

Right! I felt like it was a fact even before the "reveal" for sure! :D

[@actuallukecolombero]

John Walker: kills one terrorist with his shield, stripped of his title and publicly shamed. Falcon: BLOWS UP A BUNCH OF HELICOPTERS FULL OF TERRORISTS IN THE FIRST 10 MINUTES OF THE SHOW TO RESCUE ONE GUY, doesn't get a loan. Logique

[@Ahrlin9]

It's almost as if killing an unarmed prisoner who has just surrendered to you is different to fighting back against people shooting rockets at you.

[@electricbayonet2]

@@Ahrlin9 I keep seeing people say the guy was surrendering, and...he wasn't? He was fleeing, hurling enormous objects at Walker (which would absolutely kill a normal person if hit), and then when Walker tackled him he screamed 'It wasn't me!' as if not having personally been the one to stab Lamar was the issue. He's also a super soldier in a group with a reputation for killing civilians, and he was a second or two away from potentially entering a crowd of civilians.

[@Stargazer3147]

Not 'Logique'. Optics.

[@davidtucker9498]

I am starting to wonder if this show was Marvel intentionally trying to redpill people... By showing the reality of BLM's violent and nonsensical position, and the cops killing "unarmed black men" narrative...

[@Stargazer3147]

@@davidtucker9498 have we achieved Poe's law in a Disney property?

[@kanyewest9591]

Pitch Meetings are literally keeping ScreenRant alive and Ryan makes it look...Super easy, barely an inconvenience

[@raphaelcarpio2854]

Look at me Im ScreenRant now -ryan and the view count

[@yuvrajroopnarine6834]

Yeah its tight

[@ocadioan]

Yeah, looking at their videos, the last ScreenRant had almost 800k views, while the next best thing since then was the 230k sneak peak of Mortal Kombat(and the best non-sneak peak had 56k views).

[@iamklive5ive]

True talk

[@iamklive5ive]

@@raphaelcarpio2854 That's wat ryan would say 😲😂

[@noname9041]

3:49 "So she's like full on evil!" "No, actually, we're gonna act like she's misunderstood." "I don't know, seems pretty intense!" "Yeah, we're gonna act like she's misunderstood."

[@Luffy_wastaken]

If you say so!

[@ZarkowsWorld]

The Left love making excuses for terrorists that align with their concept of underdog vs the established

[@dazey8706]

@@ZarkowsWorld this implies disney is leftist..

[@ZarkowsWorld]

@@dazey8706 They are, these days.

[@dazey8706]

@@ZarkowsWorld ah yes the procapitalist mega corporation worth billions is leftist, so true bestie

[@matthewtopping2061]

Don't blink or you'll miss the heartfelt confession between Bucky and Yori that was hyped up all season

[@Farhan-Dabhoi]

😂

[@nahor88]

I didn't care about that; I hated the fact Bucky's arm and Sam's suit/wings were made of Vibranium, and they didn't bother showing any real special qualities other than durability.

[@yogieyo9935]

@@nahor88 other than the vibration thingy i don't think there's other special attribute to that material

[@kingdonut8272]

​@@yogieyo9935 Vibranium is made of plot-conveniencium, it can do anything

[@yogieyo9935]

@@kingdonut8272 lmao

[@robinanwaldt]

One thing that bothered me about the whole topic of black heroes apparently not being accepted by America as their symbol... *Did they just forget about Rhodey being the Iron Patriot?! His character literally appears in the show!*

[@shadowofhawk55]

The people who wrote this also thought Black Panther was the first Black lead Superhero film and that Captain Marvel was the first female lead one.

[@4jqxc]

The people who wrote this show thinks 21st century America is 1950's America

[@ImCptnAwesome]

Iron Man wears an enclosed suit, anyone could be in there! With the Captain, America is in his name, you see his face. There is a distinction between the hero standing front and center or beside.

[@bern9642]

Iron man isn't captain america

[@RonniiV]

It wasn’t about black heroes not being accepted, it was about black heroes upholding an institution that historically was racist.

[@BoomstickGaming]

*Remember when everyone loved Zemo as a villain for just being a "normal dude" with a plan?* _Yea, yea, he was great!_ *Well, in THIS show, we are going to make him secretly ultra rich, has combat skills now, and is totally not just a "normal dude" at all!*

[@anshgoyal8370]

Well, to be completely fair, they did say he was special forces in Civil War. Your point still stands though.

[@jrb9191]

He still was a normal dude. Just rich and had a career before his family was killed

[@juanfranciscovillarroelthu6876]

well, he is still a "normal dude"... in the same way Batman is just a "normal dude"

[@Segimaru]

You mean, turn him into a daddy?

[@chikenfartz]

I mean he was able to track down and hunt hydra agents for info and get together the means to bomb the united nations and travel everywhere with seemingly complete ease if you thought he was just a “normal dude” then that’s on you tbh😂

[@jackofdiamonds7303]

“I don’t know how to feel about this guy, but I’m captivated!” My feelings of John Walker exactly

[@timetochronicle]

@SørenCast Z he was the best part of the series, for sure

[@byronsenior6499]

@SørenCast Z I like that he redeemed himself and got a second chance.

[@joshgrumiaux6820]

"CAP-tivated"

[@rickydinto]

@@Kindred008 Zemo on episode 4 was really really good character but he's kinda ruined on episode 3 tho, meanwhile John Walker was really consistent good character on every his appearance.

[@ironwolf56]

@SørenCast Z I think they wanted us to come away from the show feeling like Karli and the Flag-Smashers were just misunderstood and that John Walker is pretty much evil but uhh.. if that was the intention they really missed that mark because I felt the opposite.

[@totall4579]

Outro title card should've been Captain America and White Wolf, goddamn it. Thanks for validating that for me. Bucky even calls himself White Wolf at one point.

[@mysteryjunkie9808]

Yeah or just his name Bucky Barnes. Honestly he had better character development then Falcon did.

[@aamesynth]

Ayo calls him that as well. Twice.

[@adityagt38]

Seargent Barnes would've been acceptable too.

[@snukastyle]

I'd be up for seeing Bucky in the White Wolf outfit from the comics. It's pretty much T'Challa's outfit but inverted-white with black accents whereas Panther's is black with gold.

[@bryanvickers]

James.👏 Buchanan.👏 Barnes.👏

[@cosmi544]

I watched the whole show just to see how Bucky explains to Yuuri, why he killed his son.

[@thekeegster6278]

I’m so sorry you were massively disappointed…

[@Wolffman109]

Hope you didn't blink, 'cause you'd have missed it.

[@kzman1173]

Oof

[@giorgimamalashvili4220]

Making a Pitch Meeting based on a show that ended two days ago is actually super easy, barely an inconvenience.

[@seantds619]

I think it took him less than a day for WandaVision

[@vegaobscurax23]

Oh really?

[@suryaranjansengupta909]

Yeah yeah yeah

[@nonblessepubg6168]

Making pitch meeting that easy is tight...

[@caidenashton1485]

And very tight

[@klimmr]

Agatha has a song, Zemo has a dance number, I wouldn't be surprised if Loki had a musical episode like the Flash and Supergirl crossover. Edit: Wow, thanks for 1,100 likes!

[@themystifier4328]

I really want that to happen now

[@Сайтамен]

He almost dances in the trailer. Give him dance of Jim Carry fron The Mask, after all, the mask belongs to Loki...

[@theflash9735]

Oh god that crossover was SO GREAT!

[@GoddessOfWhim2003]

Tom Hiddleston has some mad dance moves and he has a nice singing voice...i support this idea

[@JustinZarian]

He did play Hank Williams in that one movie. Maybe he’ll have an alternate universe cameo as that character to do a musical number :P

[@aidanmattys7488]

Can we talk about how Falcon got offended by "wingman" when it is a MILITARY term? He himself talked about how he lost his wingman and it is a major part of his character. Falcon was not falcon in this show. It's like they just got any generic quipy marvel character persona and inserted that into Falcon, along with him being a petty asshole

[@splattereddragon220]

Ikr! I was so confused and annoyed by his reaction to being called a wingman. It wasn't an insult.

[@aidanmattys7488]

@@splattereddragon220 it's weird. Walker is the only one who grows as a character here, and his final act proved that he was worthy of the shield in the end. Falcon was a terrorist sympathiser who would only finally be happy when he got what he wanted, that being the shield, regardless of whether he earned it or not. Bucky remains in his same state throughout, and wasnt even given the courtesy of a proper arc

[@GOATexp]

It’s because he didn’t wanna be seen as a sidekick. Like in his head he “fought beside” cap rather than was under cap

[@marialuimes7854]

@@aidanmattys7488 Walker is mentally unstable due to the serum. He made one good choice at the end but he is no where near Steve’s level to deserve the shield. At least IMO 😂

[@Jack_Ss]

@@marialuimes7854 he deserves it more than Falcon

[@maxkogan3785]

"Do better Senator. Oh yeah that does sound like it's gonna help a lot." That and the terrorism joke made me scream laughing.

[@reallynow692]

"Protecting everything except your brain cage is tight!" Perceptive. LOl.

[@GoofballLtG]

I’ve always been lamenting about how he really should be wearing a helmet of some kind!!!!

[@bennyboiart7781]

@@GoofballLtG well maybe Sam is supposed to have the skull of pachycephalosaurus.

[@kur1tan]

Pretty gay costume.

[@MrCAXA-tq1yc]

Pretty much the same problem happened with the new Mortal Kombat movie, the main character Cole Young has indestructible armor that protects his *entire* body except for his head.

[@Сайтамен]

@@bennyboiart7781 Or maybe he doesn't have brain anyway...

[@corey2232]

Karli's followers were annoying too. Scene after scene they looked like they were starting to see the error of their ways, but NOPE! Gonna keep on quietly going along with everything until the very end.... Never going to change whatsoever. Very sympathetic indeed!

[@mirrorman8549]

They had no other plan so they thought Karli's plan is better than no plan.... Also they were deep in it they can't leave

[@u.b.5773]

@Azera Alahada I'd say it was more like Proud Boys.

[@oneandonlysound3453]

They were literally just antifa and the fact we were supposed to sympathize was such wokeist bs, and it didn't even remotely stop there with the zemo scenario, the 2nd episode with the cops, and the pathetic ending speech and ugly "captain falcon" costume.

[@lauraswallow8811]

would've been cool if her group slowly left her as she did more and more bad things and then you end up with just her fighting after she has gone completely evil. But since the show was trying to say that her terrorism wasn't evil, it didn't get made that way. It went the "political statement" way instead of the "character arcs making sense" way.

[@doryfishie2]

It makes sense if you think of them as a cult. It's not easy for cult followers to just leave after they've invested so much into their cause. Sunk cost fallacy.

[@yoomiii298]

"Hasn't Bucky's whole arc been about not being the 'Winter Soldier' anymore?" My thoughts exactly.

[@HeadCannon19]

Imma be honest, when they said Sharon was the power broker, I wasn't thinking "yep, I called that", I was thinking "wait, what does that mean? I feel like I remember them mentioning a power broker but I don't remember anything about it so this really makes me feel nothing"

[@alyssafoster4765]

I guess it means she commissioned the making of the super soldier serum

[@Anonymos185]

Fun fact: If Napoleon had only told his starving and exhausted men to "Do Better", during their invasion of Russia, they would have won the war.

[@libertyprime1614]

If Hitler was told to "Do Better" would he assume it means to kill fewer jews or more?

[@chrisperrien7055]

Napoleon took Moscow, but most of his " Grande Armee" disintegrated from starvation and cold on the way back home.

[@CM-pf1xc]

Yes, but also! The GRC plan was ridiculous they were gonna spend TONS of money to forcibly move ppl back instead of trying to grow from the current situation

[@chrisperrien7055]

@@CM-pf1xc can you explain "GRC"? acronym eludes me, ATM

[@nairocamilo]

@@chrisperrien7055 it's the Global Repatriation Council from the series, an organisation created to deal with the post-returnal situation of Earth-19999

[@JoeJoeJoe25]

Marvel released Agatha's song for WandaVision, and 1hour Zemo dancing for Falcon and Winter Soldier. Now we just wait to see 1hour of Owen Wilson say "Wow" in Loki to complete the trilogy

[@nangke]

Or Loki possessed by Owen Wilson's character and saying "wow." (Tom Hiddleston actually does a good impression of him, he could pull it off)

[@itsyaboiroman3345]

I’M SO GLAD YOU MENTIONED BUCKY STILL BEING CALLED THE WINTER SOLDIER IN THE END TITLE IT IRKED ME SO MUCH

[@negavenom]

I feel you.

[@nickobeazo]

CAPTAIN AMERICA AND... Bucky 😂

[@16shogunelitegreen]

@@nickobeazo I think the fans hoped for "Captain America and White Wolf"

[@brothermutant7370]

Surprised they didn't change the title to: Captain America and the White Wolf. That would have been badass.

[@AnimatedASMR]

During his confession to Yori Bucky calls himself the Winter Solider.

[@cameronlapage7386]

Screenwriter: "So Walker has this moment where he has to choose between saving a truck full of Senators or chasing after Morgenthau." Producer: "Being a hero vs exacting revenge, I like it!" Screenwriter: "Yeah, and he's going to choose to be a hero, and he even throws down his shield as a sign of him letting go of his anger." Producer: "Wowowowow" Screenwriter: "But as he starts pulling the truck up, Karli and the other Flagsmashers start attacking him because they really want these Senators to die." Producer: "Okay, so we're definitely past the whole 'sympathetic villain' thing now, right?" Screenwriter: "Nope, super sympathetic villains here!" Producer: "They're attacking Walker for the sole purpose of making sure he can't save people. That might actually be worse than killing them directly." Screenwriter: "Oh it's awful, but Karli's still really just misunderstood." Producer: "OK I guess..."

[@RagnaRantz]

“Do better Senator.” 😂😂😂 Hollywood’s answer to everything lol

[@ivettegutierreztorres4272]

Apparently we need a "do better Hollywood"😆

[@RagnaRantz]

@@ivettegutierreztorres4272 LOL!

[@bustanut5501]

"Stop calling these people terrorists." Like, what?

[@silverblade357]

Senator: "How?" Sam: "Huh?" Senator: "We have been tasked with the fair and equal relocation of more than 3.5 billion people as well as all the drama that comes with personal property. You demand that we do better. How?" Sam: "Uh... well, uh... oh! The bat signal!" **flies away**

[@ivettegutierreztorres4272]

@@silverblade357 😆

[@livetime5815]

Wow. Wow. Wow. Having Pitch Meeting doing The Falcon and the Winter Soldier is almost as good as watching Zemo dance.

[@Me-wx1mt]

Lol

[@djjjsaiyan]

Zemo dace was pretty imbarasing But 🥶🤯😤it was funny🤣

[@Zyrox_.]

𝕀𝕄 𝕊𝕌𝔹𝕀ℕ𝔾 𝕋𝕆 𝔼𝕍𝔼ℝ𝕐𝕆ℕ𝔼 𝕎ℍ𝕆 𝕊𝕌𝔹𝕊 𝕋𝕆 𝕄𝔼 𝕎𝕀𝕋ℍ ℕ𝕆𝕋𝕀𝔽𝕀ℂ𝔸𝕋𝕀𝕆ℕ𝕊

[@weirdidiot4616]

@@Zyrox_. stfu

[@pottersky1]

@@Zyrox_. stfu 2

[@h_noel7380]

Lmao! I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought that Karli character was so remarkably unremarkable. She was bland as cardboard and yet we had to believe she inspired this rebellious movement.

[@Wolffman109]

@Bla Bla Diversity points. Need I say more?

[@diegomadera9700]

How dare you not admit that she is stunning & brave? Her real life politics & sexual preferences obviously somehow inspire those in the movie, just by the fact that they couldn't know any of that. It's Disney movie magic though.

[@luthasunspell8365]

She was like a plank of wood here and in Willow. I mean, worse than Brie Larson.

[@dorianr4770]

pretty much said what I was thinking. There's ways to do nuance and moral ambiguity, but this wasn't it. It was as if Karli was seeming too sympathetic at first, so they flipped a switch to make her evil, rather than a gradual progression. So she seemed like 2 different personalities. Same with Walker. Plus, Walker kills a terrorist and is court martialed with the Captain America label taken away. Sam is holding Karli's dead body, the leader of the terrorists, and Sam gets a hero's reception. Walker was following orders. Whereas Sam went rogue and vigilante...

[@misterdrgn5155]

I feel like they nailed this one. My other issue was how in the first episode Sam and Bucky are living their own lives, and you're wondering how they're going to end up together. Then, in the second episode, they instantly team up with no preamble (or explanation) and go do buddy cop stuff while ignoring their personal lives for half the season.

[@GAshoneybear]

That part was rushed a bit. I like the buddy cop dynamic, but a set up would have been better.

[@CouchSpud91]

They both saw what was going on with Walker so Bucky went to talk to Sam about it. It's pretty obvious and I don't think it warranted needing more setup.

[@ilfirinms]

@@CouchSpud91 Exactly, remember watching it with a friend and after first episode, we were "okay, that buildup is somehow interesting, let's see how it unroll". And then after episode and episode we were more and more confused, that they have clearly no idea what to do with a story. At the end we came up with theory, that first episode, pilot, was done by another people to greenlight project, like Star Wars did, because every buildup end up completely ruined, like Star Wars.

[@thenicehater4552]

*when you realise Karli killed more people than Zemo but she’s just a misguided person*

[@Kyrielsh1]

And you also realise that Zemo will kill anyone he needs for his purpose, sure, but his purpose is actually to avoid supremacists taking over the world...

[@keoghanwhimsically2268]

“Who are you gonna believe? Me or you lying eyes?”

[@suryanshshrivastava4681]

@@Kyrielsh1 and he tried to avenge his family

[@averagestudent1158]

@Jerry scotti and quoted Lincoln 😂.

[@giordihero]

@Jerry scotti the bigger problem was that he did in the public, against an unarmed guy which was pleading mercy, while wearing CA's uniform. I don't think the problem was him "killing" specifically, he was a veteran soldier, I'm sure he killed a lot of people. The problem was the context.

[@steveking1037]

Your evisceration of the whole Flag Smashers “arc” and Sam’s awkward speech at the end were perfect. In fact, you touched on every gripe I had, the next most distracting being that, just because they took the serum, these rando refugees could now fight just as well as a 100 year old human weapon.

[@daddy-wan]

Dude for real. Bucky was trained. They're just... random people. Feel like they depowered him a ton in this.

[@lukepalandech7798]

In the finale Sharon says that Karli and some of the other flag smashers used to work for her, so its reasonable to believe they got some combat training, but yeah, the Winter Soldier is still the dominant fighter.

[@Kyrielsh1]

Yeah well, they were 8 too, which helps against a single opponent...

[@davidlacoste]

This is true also for Walker. In his introduction, they emphasised how elite he was. He was almost on par with Carly before taking the serum. After taking it, he should have been able to roll over them.

[@CM-pf1xc]

@@davidlacoste yeah but he had become deranged sort of in taking serum too and in his grief

[@alelira054]

The "He's fully protected... except the top of his head where his brain is" line had me dying 🤣

[@karsten7241]

"So Sam has these financial problems and can't get a loan" "Isn't he a widely known international superhero who has saved the world?" "What's your point?" "Why doesn't he do a Nivea commercial or sell his merch or something? "Listen Sir, I need you to get all the way off my back about Sam's money problems"

[@Will_Plotegher]

True he had so many opinions or just call Pepper Potts, problem solved.

[@MichaelNNY]

Because racism, duh.

[@phillewis2630]

@@Will_Plotegher Or Bruce Banner. Or ask the Wakandans for a loan since he helped defend their home in Infinity War.

[@teddyhaines6613]

"Because then Spider-Man might get the same idea, and we can't let him find ways to make his life any easier!"

[@JoseRS1186]

Dude could have been shilling The Brand New Nike RedWing Performance Hightops ™ or the Uncle Sam's Patriot Jacket by Stark Clothiers LTD. or he could have rebranded the fishing business to some thing loosely Avengers related or he could have done commercials for Vibrawnium© male enhancement supplements. He could have at least sold a plug-in grill.

[@lukehanson_]

"it's gonna be really hard for Sam to offer good advice to senators on how to handle half the world coming back" "Actually it's gonna be super easy barely an inconvenience" "Oh really?" "Yeah yeah yeah he's gonna tell them they need to do better"

[@courier6960]

“Yeah, and the senators are just gonna take this speech without responding in any meaningful way, it’s not like the real life senators would absolutely destroy Sam’s fluff sandwich of a speech by asking him what the hell he knows about trying to bring balance to the lives of 3.5 billion people, and why the hell he is sympathizing with the terrorists that killed American troops” “You’re right, it’s not like real life political figures would retort in any ways because they have campaign cycles, voters, and monetary obligations to worry about”

[@silverblade357]

@@courier6960 "Hey, Sam. This is the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. We're gonna need that shield back as well as any other government property you might have in your possession. The council members and several dozen other senators decided they couldn't tolerate an insubordinate grunt trying to tell them what's what or openly sympathizing with mass murdering terrorists."

[@seahbeahr5213]

@@silverblade357 Sam doesn’t work for the government. He is a contractor. The shield belonged to Steve. Any citizen has the right to tell the people I the government to do their job. Are we watching the same thing?

[@taxult]

@@seahbeahr5213 Okay but like, how did he tell the government to do their job better? The Shield became property to the U.S government after Sam gave it away (could've arguably even been the US's even during WW2)

[@notyouraveragelemon6128]

“Carly is going to be trying really hard to kill Sam because she’s a sympathetic character”

[@amishabdussalam2219]

Looks like you're trying really hard to spell karli because you're a pathetic lemon

[@O410N]

@@amishabdussalam2219 I guess you really liked her character.

[@peteryang2720]

This isn’t icarly

[@Theokal3]

That line single-handedly summarizes my problem with Karli

[@TheRockinDonkey]

@@amishabdussalam2219 Looks like you're trying really hard to be an asshole

[@binarywolfcia85]

7:01 You forgot that this "Getting Told" of Isaiah's story is by literally hiding one plaque and statue behind a practically hidden door off another exhibit that no one would ever go into because it seems like it isn't for visitors.

[@iamnuff1992]

"Maybe some of the people bucky and sam killed would have said that too if they hadn't died so quickly?" "Well I guess we'll never know."

[@shouldntyoubecooking]

Not seeing Bucky's conversation as part of his redemption was such a missed opportunity.

[@vodkavecz]

Could've been his Emmy award moment, tbh.

[@thedestroyasystem]

yeah, they really dropped us on our heads there

[@themimsy]

True

[@shanthagopian7559]

I thought your sentence was gonna end with "is tight"

[@theguythatpissedyouoff3247]

Yeah but now they have something to use in a future movie, which is really what these little series are for. They're basically extended mid/post credit scenes

[@chrisbarnes1040]

" And Karlie just goes to town on Walker. I mean, just totally kicking his butt." "Isn't Walker a decorated military officer with years of training?" "Yeah, but she has super soldier serum, so she's like super strong." "But doesnt Walker have that same super soldier serum coursing through his veins? Shouldnt that only put them at equal strength? He would still be more skilled at fighting than her. Same for Bucky as well."

[@hugenerd4041]

To be fair, Karli has had the serum for way longer and is more used to its capabilities. Its also implied that Sharon trained the Flagsmashers as the Power Broker. So its not completely unreasonable for her to hold her own. And in terms of Bucky, its stated that this new serum is more efficient and effective than even Steve's, so its fair Bucky struggled.

[@6thgraderfriends]

I get that Bucky doesn't want to hurt or kill anyone anymore so that's why he always holds back but I really wish they'd show that same Winter Soldier strength from that fight with cap again. It was so amazing and awesome.

[@InitialPC]

@@hugenerd4041 Carter wouldnt teach her everything she knows though, and Walker is literally the greatest most skilled soldier in the entire US army at that point, he could definitely take carter on in a fight pre-serum

[@michaelplowman8674]

While your points are logical, it's not what the writers wanted so, WHOOPS!

[@amyness3452]

Not to mention, he has a biological advantage over her even without the serum. And far more training.

[@guyshu7821]

"And we're also gonna give Sam his own subplot." "Oh we are?" "Yeah Sam's sister Sarah wants to sell a boat but Sam doesn't want her to because it originally belonged to their parents." "And why does any of this matter?" "So we can focus on Sam!" "But Bucky's subplot is much more interesting. Shouldn't we focus on him instead?" "Look sir, I'm gonna need you to get ALL the way off my back about who we're focusing on." "Oh okay, lemme get off of that thing!" 'thank you very much!"

[@eyflfla]

He fought with Tony Stark at the End of the Universe. The dude can't beg a million or two of Pepper Pots?

[@DrFranklynAnderson]

“I don’t know how to feel about this John Walker guy, but I’m CAPtivated.”

[@you_define_me9924]

I came straight to the comments for THIS

[@jelita_]

Lol, I didn't get it until reading your comment

[@jesseechamberlain4663]

@@jelita_ Me too fam.

[@JB00GIE22]

*Bucky confessing to his old friend finally putting to rest the Winter Soldier in an emotional scene* Marvel: "We'll give it like 20 seconds* *Sam defending terrorists* Marvel: "Well we've gotta give that like 5 minutes!"

[@6thgraderfriends]

Writers: Bucky here made a friend with this older gentlemen Yori and just when we think it's adorable, we learn he actually killed Yori's son and Bucky doesn't want to tell him because it'll ruin the little friendship that they have. Executives: Well this is supposed to be Sam's story so just have him rip that band-aid off in the last episode and then easily walk away. Writers: But what about Yori's reaction? Executives: Just make him look sad for a second. Writers: He literally just got closure about his dead son. Executives: Just one second of screen-time is all that is needed to pay that off. -_-

[@cenciende9401]

You goddamn moron he was not defending terrorists, did you even listen you illiterate dumbass? Or have any clue at all what any of it was about?

[@JB00GIE22]

@@cenciende9401 Dang I would love to have a reasonable discussion about the topic with you, but unfortunately I am illiterate so I have no idea what you just said

[@mopnem]

@@cenciende9401 Ur being a little emotional but yeah, the kid prob didn’t watch the whole show cause it clearly wasn’t about defending the terrorists. Pitch meeting in its awesomeness attacked the label (which is accurate)

[@freckleKaren]

or sam rebuilding some old boat: lets give it 2 episodes

[@bradhawk002]

I mean screen rant is totally right. MCU gave 5 mins for Sam to justify Karli's wrong actions but they didn't gave Bucky 2 mins for his closure. 😠😠😠 Nothing should justify terrorism , Ryan George got it right.

[@han090]

Sam is perfectly happy working for a government that routinely bombs civilians, so he's obviously okay with justifying things.

[@screwistic]

@@han090 well that's this world. So we don't know how the US military acts in these areas. And even then Karli kills them intentionally. Most civilian deaths occur because of an accident. One guy called an A-10 strike on a building that had AK fire coming from it because it had killed 2 soldiers already. The building was found to have 15 women and children with 3 grown men. 2 AK and a single pistol was found.

[@showmeyourmoves8551]

Sam is hypocrite lol. These new captain america is a mess and for all I know, the mantle died when steve left.

[@stolenart9290]

@@screwistic that's this world but we don't need to justify it.

[@screwistic]

@@stolenart9290 never justified. But as a person who was in the military it's unfair the way people treat service members while they are in the military. People make it seem like we kill Innocents because why not

[@xziggy_stardustx6786]

Key takeaway from the video: never question the charisma of Daniel Brühl (Zemo's actor). He made the dance scene so good that it went viral.

[@courier6960]

“Quick shove in a plot line about a boat so we can ignore Bucky more!” -the scriptwriters, probably

[@CM-pf1xc]

I know! I just completely fell in love with Sebastian Stan in this series, more than in the movies. Def would have loved more

[@masterofthecontinuum]

To be fair, he got tons of time in Captain America 2 and 3. Falcon's been a minor side character for a long while, so it's nice to give him some time to shine.

[@renaterrier935]

But then Bucky comes and helps work on the boat

[@freckleKaren]

yeah, tbh I'd be much more interested in Buck's coping, nightmares, therapy, attempts at normal life and hunting the bad guys for making amends than in some old boat. that was a huge waste

[@lanastevens]

Yeah I'm not at all interested in falcon. Bucky is my man. I want a solo movie of him. He should get the shield too.

[@shadygroves8252]

"She just quietly says vague things & everyone is really into that apparently."

[@robertfleischmann4119]

2020 election campaigns!

[@arvd227]

ASMR in a nutshell!

[@golsitito4492]

Thats because they are the same thing as ANTIFA.

[@galarstar052]

@@golsitito4492 that comparison makes no sense, since when were ANTIFA known for saying vague things quietly? quit stretching to make a political point.

[@golsitito4492]

@@galarstar052 it seems you are not familiar with ANTIFA. That organization it’s based in vague political points that have been straw man so they make sense. They meet in secret places to discuss their plans. Such as a cafe they use in Portland were they use a separate room to have the meeting or in other places their trainings. Or saying it in other terms “saying things quietly”. And finally low information voters such as them are really into that to peruse their political agenda. I hope you now understand to see is not a stretch. The argument it’s right on point.

[@theoneandonlydrowlf819]

I love when writers think their plot twists are sneaky when in reality everyone can see it coming

[@vedanthpochhareddy6076]

Ohh my god it's Agatha Harkness I know

[@ericadunn9435]

I didn't see it coming because I was trying so hard to follow the plot logic - not a da*n thing made sense scene to scene

[@karnasingh860]

Carli killed more people the Zemo Sam: "She is not a terrorist"

[@LC-sc3en]

Uh no she didn't Zeno blew up the UN, killed a psychologist to take his place, (probably killed that guy with the emp or at least a delivery driver) 5 frozen people. You could possibly also hold him accountable for all the people Bucky killed when the swat team was sent for him. And possibly anyone who died in the radius of the electrical outage or emp who needed sensitive medical equipment to live. So pace makers, people on vents, people in the middle of delicate surgery. Premature babies.... And then he also shot a bunch of people in this series on top of it.

[@karnasingh860]

@@LC-sc3en Bucky didn't killed anybody winter soldier did both are different personalities in one person

[@LC-sc3en]

@@karnasingh860 when bucky was fighting the team sent to capture or kill him plenty of people died. And that was Bucky not the winter soldier. I am not saying Bucky is necessarily to blame for those deaths. But Zemo is.

[@karnasingh860]

@@LC-sc3en Nobody died cap was saving them

[@LC-sc3en]

@@karnasingh860 Idk some of those blows he gave looked pretty fatal even if the people were armored. Like that guy he grabbed by the neck and smashed all the way through a squat bookshelf. Or when he threw a giant cinder block into the guy and it hit him so hard if flung him through a closed door a few feet behind him. He also hit people in the chest so hard with a battering ram they stopped moving altogether. But then again humans in the marvel universe are more durable since Tony Stark should have died several times while testing his suits. 🤗

[@Shaxii__]

5:27 "so Carly sets a truck of hostages on fire. Ok so we're done trying to paint her in a sympathetic light right? No we're still trying." I spit all over my monitor.

[@Keira_Blackstone]

a lukewarm defense- she wasn't actually trying to kill them. she was trying to distract the heroes fighting her so she could get away.

[@Kor-233]

@@Keira_Blackstone cool motive, still murder.

[@vctpleaseunblockrimanda1553]

@@Keira_Blackstone this defense also applied to joker, he never actually tried to kill anyone, he just want to upset batman

[@bait5257]

@@vctpleaseunblockrimanda1553 lmao

[@arroe8386]

@@Keira_Blackstone And the second truck that she tried to send over a cliff?

[@althealligator1467]

"The Falcon and the White Wolf" is a much better sounding title than "The Falcon and the Winter Soldier," lol. Less syllables, both animals, flows better; and it would completely fix the thematic problem.

[@falconawesome]

Yeah relabelling the show in the credits as 'Cap America and the Winter Soldier' just made me really nervous on how to clarify which Cap I was referring to

[@randomduck8679]

Cap n' Bucky full stop

[@cancerino666]

Not sure for the series title. But the end title should have been "Captain America and the White Wolf"

[@althealligator1467]

@@cancerino666 yes

[@highdefinition450]

Yeah but marvel doesn't care about Bucky lmao

[@youtube_distractions]

The fact that the show is called "Falcon and the Winter Soldier" and in the first episode Bucky literally said: "I'm no longer the Winter Soldier"... Marvel: Yeah no, we don't care. He's the Winter Soldier

[@nathanieldiaz5254]

Well that's literally his main identity both in the movies and comics. But I do think they should've gone with "Captain America and the White Wolf" for the final outtro.

[@youtube_distractions]

@@nathanieldiaz5254 yeah, that's true. But then I find the choice of words weird, for him to literally say what he no longer is when it is what we call him. I hope in the future they will change how he's called 😊

[@nathanieldiaz5254]

@@youtube_distractions Me too

[@madwibble]

Falcon and the artist formerly known as the Winter Soldier.

[@youtube_distractions]

@@madwibble love that😹 Although White Wolf or even Sergeant Barnes would work too for me😝

[@mopnem]

It’s hard to emphasize just how on point these pitch meeting recaps can be. For some films, literally the best I’ve come across for an accurate critique & recap that’s objectively true & entertaining

[@grmancool]

"they're gonna take some super serum and uh, em, ah, um, go...go get it done" Lmao it's so true

[@BlueHero45]

Was more random acts of terror to try and pressure the governments, but close enough.

[@JZBaltazar]

Weren't they doing some Robin Hood stuff in the beginning by stealing medicines to help refugees who were left ignored by the governments. When the governments sought to take the refugees into poorly prepared and equipped camps they tried to use violence to intimidate the governments into changing their plans. Not justifying or criticizing their course of action, just analyzing it.

[@16shogunelitegreen]

So the Flag Smashers have came up with a plan and are doing the plan that we have no clue it's about?

[@ds6329]

@@JZBaltazar Definitely Robin Hood stuff, but with extremists delivery. Honestly it was a bunch of young adults and teenagers so angry that they believed violence and murder was rational to support their cause. The conversations between Karli and Sam were great because Sam tried to explain how her extreme approach causes more problems and makes her no better than the government. But in that final fight Sam gave her many chances to change and she didn't. So, yeah, Extremist Robin Hood.

[@RayfieldA]

"Yeah, he's fully protected except the top of his head where his Brain is." 🤣

[@SibillaBen]

The entire show I was like I hope everyone hates Carly as much as I do. Lol her own group at the end was like uh what are you doing

[@turnthepage8980]

Karli. Shame on you.

[@fiendish9474]

@@turnthepage8980 iKarli catch her in Nickelodeon

[@kijanilong2395]

Lmao I thought I was the only one who hated karli. Imo the biggest letdown of the show was her heroic sendoff

[@DenderFriend]

Yeah, I think you basically answered your own question there- even in-universe, people weren't on Karli's side. The whole point was that she was taking it too far.

[@TheIsaacm1994]

Yesssss!! Couldn't stand that bitch

[@tholgrimstonebeard5943]

Writer: And while this is happening we're gonna have this arc where Sam and his sister can't get a loan from the bank. Producer: Isn't he part of a high budget superhero team led by an Elon Musk-esque Billionaire? Why does he need a loan? Writer: Oh, Sam is going to say that Avengers don't get paid. Producer: Why would the Avengers not get paid? Writer: So this Arc can happen! Producer: Fair enough! Are we going to give that a big resolution? Writer: Nah, we're barely gonna acknowledge that it happened.

[@davidtucker9498]

Also, even if he has no money, how TF does he not have the credit??? He's a WORLD FAMOUS superhero! The man is a bigger celebrity than the actor who plays him!

[@BL3H-]

Honestly, Sam would get tons of money if he tried begging on the streets.

[@MrBrezelwurst]

Fr, that bugged me so hard. Like wtf, he's literally one of the most famous people on planet earth, he even helped SAVING said planet, and you're telling me they wouldn't give him a loan?

[@billymanziel5666]

I liked how in Dr Strange 2 they made it very believable that Strange was a celebrity and lived a pretty comfortable life as a result (wears nice clothes, goes to fancy events etc)

[@alphanoodle1877]

its funny because avengers did get paid, they got 1k a week (or month I forget)

[@courier6960]

“So what are the flag smashers motivation again” “we don’t have one yet, so we’re just gonna make it some vague catch phrase and hope the audience fills in the blanks”

[@Ackalan]

It's the best way to make sure everyone build a strong foundation based on catchphrases and violence.

[@jorgeantoniotorrico7105]

Its only me or It’s just the Marvel equivalent of the Kendall Jenner Pepsi ad

[@courier6960]

@@jorgeantoniotorrico7105 No, your thinking about Sam’s speech at the end, where all the worlds problems were solved by him angrily telling a senator to “do better”

[@optillian4182]

They’re anarchists who wish to remove borders between nations.

[@martinacosta3821]

@@optillian4182 i thought that was clear, but aparently not

[@JustinZarian]

“So Karli’s supposed to be a sympathetic villain. Does Zemo get to do any evil stuff too?” “Nope. In fact, he arguably does more to stop the bad guys than the main characters.” “Oh really?” “Yeah. He destroys vials of the super soldier serum and uses his butler to kill the remaining Flag Smashers. He really wants to make the world a better place without super soldiers.” “The same guy who murdered the king of Wakanda to break up the Avengers?” “The same.” “So is he like an anti-hero or villain?” “He’s whatever will make the character look the coolest whenever he’s on screen.” “Somehow I feel everyone will be totally fine with that.”

[@braddl9442]

Zemo and walker really were the good guys in this show. Just wow, how do you F up that bad in the writing.

[@fiendish9474]

@@braddl9442 maybe they were secretly planning on that. If it was intentional then bravo cause they were my favorite charas in this show

[@Keira_Blackstone]

he's a hero because he had his butler blow up a truck that had 4 prisoners who has surrendered (and the people escorting them) in it? Are you also one of those weirdos that thinks the Punisher is a good guy?

[@swampThaang]

So both Sharon and Carly are shot but Sam stays with Carly and completely ignores Sharon even though Sharon saved his life and they have all that history. Was that weird to anyone else?

[@somberstricken4424]

Yes, they tried way too hard to push Karli as a sympathetic character. It didn't work, she was just an entitled brat who threatened to kill Sam, but also acted like she was betrayed by his choice to be Captain America. It was too forced, and just made the show too hard to take seriously.

[@girishc96]

@@somberstricken4424 It's like saying, be sympathetic to Bin Laden

[@sammiller6631]

@@girishc96 Or like saying "be sympathetic to the Capitol Rioters on Jan 6"

[@dranixrush3306]

But you also have to consider he sees her as a misguided kid and I think he knew Sharon was somewhat, ok.

[@somberstricken4424]

@Hot Rod she made herself a martyr, made implications that Steve Rogers wasn't so great. Oh yeah, she blew up innocent ppl while patting herself on the back. I tried to like her, but just found myself wishing they would show Zemo.

[@NuncleG]

I loved that bit when Sharon was badly hurt and needed immediate medical assistance but Sam just left her so he could fly into shot with a dead terrorist so he could tell her story or something. I'm not even sure what that was about.

[@dizzydoom4230]

The nonsense writing of the show.

[@ahishayanams4565]

There is this mysterious person in Madripor called The Power Broker.... Ohh... is it Mephisto? 😂😂😂

[@ShockDCS]

Mephisto

[@seantds619]

Madripoor starts with M Power Broker is important and evil POWER BROKER IS MEPHISTO CONFIRMED????

[@ChrisCrossAplsauce]

The best 😂

[@alphagamer9505]

It was Mephisto all along

[@coolnerdlll6053]

At this point I'm expecting someone to say that Luis is Mephisto. Actually, that would be awesome.

[@ccrazool]

Colonel Rhodes wore the stars and stripes proudly and was loved and respected by all. Guess everyone forgot about him.

[@SomeYouTubeTraveler]

For real, they didn't take away Stark's armor from him when he brought it back to the military. Guess everyone forgot about Iron Patriot!

[@Kyrielsh1]

@@SomeKZbinTraveler Yeah the whole thing makes no sense somehow...

[@al.b775]

It's about the name Captain America and what it stands for. Plus he was iron patriot for like a week. Even Stark preferred war machine

[@farroroyal2896]

Well he wasn’t captain America

[@bigcoop1977]

@@SomeKZbinTraveler Captain America is the face of America they even had him doing videos for physical education in school. Did you see Iron Patriot do any of that? Also, Iron Patriot's face is always covered up......Do you see what I am saying?

[@ixarofthebargains493]

Omfg this literally openly said every issue I had with the show, amazing

[@Daniel-ke7jn]

Compare that with the honest trailer

[@themysteriousmoomoo3116]

I had more than this

[@Jacob-eb9vl]

sam lecturing the politicians for 5 minutes was so cringe

[@bpoole99251]

The whole season was cringe. As far as I am concerned the last movie was Infinity War and half the known universe is still dead. Yay Thanos!

[@Holypikemanz]

couldnt demonize the communist woke culture either, "just misundestood" even after they kill people, like BLM mass shooters. Nationalism is the only path forward, and ofc thats who they demonize in every movie

[@aidankeane8971]

@@Holypikemanz your racism is showing

[@zionsgatesmedia]

@@aidankeane8971 Your label maker is showing

[@aidankeane8971]

@@zionsgatesmedia your tee-shirt tag is showing

[@TaurielTheElf]

Scriptwriter guy: "...and as they walk down the street, Bucky's gonna go down an alley and meet with the Dora Milaje." Producer guy: "But how did he know they were there?" Scriptwriter guy: "He heard the Wakanda theme playing."

[@artmonkey_4]

He followed the beads.

[@TaurielTheElf]

@@artmonkey_4 I know, it was just a joke

[@vicenteeichler8804]

Jokes aside, I actually think he could sense the beads with his left arm, because it's vibranium is magnetic too

[@the_gratefulgamer]

Characters sensing other characters by breaking the forth wall with no explanation is tight

[@starfull8808]

But was it hard to find them?

[@garretjamison9770]

"Just not the top of his head where the brain is." Absolutely hilarious 🤣🤣 I cracked

[@alexandresmgc374]

Is not just me about the clear head thing. I know it's like the comics but is a little off and strange your head don't protect

[@phantomwarlock5002]

I mean get a helmet at least

[@Boulder_Bill]

You would think they would cover the top of his head to make it more aerodynamic.

[@crimson9641]

In case other people don’t know, the person who does these pitch meetings has a channel, called Ryan George. He makes other content like this. The other guy also appears frequently

[@TheOldMan-75]

What about the other guy?

[@yopedraza]

@@TheOldMan-75 he's Ryan's clone, he also appears sometimes in his channel

[@admirallily]

@@TheOldMan-75 best comment. the thread is now closed. everybody go home.

[@ptbot3294]

@@admirallily owww, what. I just got here. Bummer.

[@qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm2643]

69 likes lol

[@jeand.augusto5238]

7:23 they should of changed it to Captain American and the White Wolf

[@mr.a-lister6008]

Bucky: I've had my redemption, now call me Agent Barnes. Creators: Ahhh... it's not about you.

[@johnnytee911]

Who is he an agent of?

[@mr.a-lister6008]

@@johnnytee911 *Sergeant

[@queenofnevers6990]

Ikr...

[@goodoldfashionedloverboyy]

* Falcon and The Winter Soldier * Bucky: I'm no longer the Winter Soldier. * changes "Falcon" to "Captain America" but keeps "The Winter Soldier" * Bucky: Well, I guess I'm the Winter Soldier then...

[@vicenzostella1390]

It's White Wolf

“I don’t know how to feel about this guy but I’m CAPTIVATED” Which is kinda what made him a good character, well acted by Wyatt Russel.

[@mr.stuffdoer8483]

I feel like people are missing the point that this is how it was supposed to be for Walker and Karli. They’re complex characters.

[@JR-pf9in]

'CAP'tivated. Nice 👍

[@highdefinition450]

He was the best character ngl

[@oneandonlysound3453]

I want to see a U.S. Agent show with Walker with absolutely zero woke bs, just a darker, more real feeling...U.S. agent. He was the only thing good about this series even though it was ridiculous he was treated like crap for killing a bad terrorist.

[@themysteriousmoomoo3116]

I personally hated the character and found him annoying and was actually hoping he would die since like epesode 3 or 4

[@evanmoore3114]

"So Sam is gonna tell the Senator that they need to do better." "What does that mean?" "I don't know!"

[@DenderFriend]

I feel like the entire rest of the speech sort of explains what he means, though.

[@evanmoore3114]

@@DenderFriend he lambasted them for what they were doing, but then he didn't give any advice or alternatives to what would be a very difficult situation. No, I still don't know what he means.

[@libertyprime1614]

​@@DenderFriend He is not offering a better solution than they already have, just a bunch of big words to feel better.

[@williamcronshaw5262]

@@DenderFriend He's doing what Politicians love to do. Moral grand standing and hoping the audience gets so caught up in the moment that they don't even notice that you're not saying anything of value.

[@DefineHatespeech]

he’s basically AOC

[@recooperate]

"Oh, and Karli is going to learn that Sharon is the Power Broker." "Wow! So she makes sure to divulge that critical piece of information to Sam before she dies, right?" "Nope, we need another season!"

[@lanastevens]

If there is another season, Bucky better be the star. Sharon second.