The Fall - It's Not Repetition, It's Discipline - Documentary

[@nicholasalvarez9843]

Big shoutout to Grant Showbiz for his insights and understanding of the enigma of MES. Nice worl by the Danish Fall fans.

[@andrewcounts7136]

Miss Much......

[@Doc-149]

13:15 They argue about notes or chords sounding “off key” because they didn’t learn about harmonic intervals that create uneven pitch, or *dissonance* as it’s known by in some schmancy fancy music school, they understood it (some better than others) but the consistency of that between the tuned instruments and Mark and the rhythm section is what carried the vocals - there was consistent dissonance between Mark, the drummer, and the band - you either got it, or you didn’t - I’m not sure it mattered - but therein lies the *source of power* if you like - it’s an enigma that too many want an explanation of, which would demystify the enigma - it is what it is, and it made perfect sense to the 280+ former members of The Fall for as long as it made sense for - “strange how something so dynamic and rapidly evolving could be so cyclic with so many variables - but what a great way to create that dissonance” - is how I’d describe it. A disconnect almost. Shit I don’t know, it’s an enigma. It was Punk.

[@jefferyweigand1337]

great stuff...thank you for this...my old band got to open for them for a ton of dates on this nations saving grace tour...highlight of my time in that band...the fall fucking had it...

[@Rhizzome]

What was your band? Please link some recordings if there are any on here 🙌

[@dannycheesums]

The version of damo Suzuki at the end with a different lineup to that which recorded it, becomes a whole new song and experience. The mighty fall

[@TheMimifur]

Utterly brilliant. I think apart from the Bunnymen, Mark's Fall was the band I saw most often... including going to Sadlers Wells to enjoy Curious Oranj with Michael Clark

[@Farmlandsfallfan]

Good Peely comment about life being empty without The Fall, it has felt like that a bit for me since MES passed.

[@peterlawson777]

Me too, although JP left an absolute void.

[@speeduser3597]

Especially if you enjoyed the latest releases.

[@vollsticks]

What a fucking CRACKING version of I Am Damo Suzuki! "May we go back to days pre-Virgin?/Could not get on clear vinyl"!

[@creepycrawl]

Thank you so much 4 uploading and sharing. Much appreciated 👍✌️💖

[@ciatangallaghe2485]

Cheers to the lads who made this documentary happen. It bloody brilliant.

[@davidames1746]

Wrong the Fall is brilliant. See above.

[@DoctorMooCow]

Incredible doc. hope this isnt a reupload just so the creators can know how much i appreciate them for making this!!! 13 years well spent!!

[@joanna-newman-wkb]

Priceless insights from Grant Showbiz

[@vollsticks]

What I want to know is what's he talking about M.E.S wiping the vocals off "Taurig" off Imperial Wax? There are vocals on the original version AND the Cherry Red Fall Sound Archive 2020 alternate version of the album released on translucent green splattered double vinyl (one LP for the original version, one LP for the discarded Brittania Row 21/09/07 sessions--and they seem to be the same ones Grant S. is referencing, about a "watch with weird powers"), so I'm not sure if he's misremembering or what. I've heard people say it's Andi Toma from Mouse On Mars/Von Sudenfed but it sounds like M.E.S to me.

[@vollsticks]

@@williamdew7143 Yeah, plus it was great to put a name to the face! Could you actually have a conversation with him, lol? I briefly "met" M.E.S once in 2012, he was really...pleasant! But I was going one way, he was going the other and he looked like he was on a mish, I just told him how much The Fall meant to me and how much I loved their newer stuff. He actually said: "Thanks very much cocker, that means a lot mate, cheers!". I was well chuffed... Also I was wrong, I listened to both copies I have of IWS after making that other comment, the only vocals on "Taurig" are on the Brittania Row unused version--but they're on the Annotated Fall site with first comment dated 2016...bootleg? That's my best guess. The Quietus review explicitly mentions the lack of vocals on the track.

[@vollsticks]

@@williamdew7143 I know Lol Coxhill from The Damned (was he the guy who was known for carrying a hammer in his guitar case?!?), is Mark P Mark Perry of Sniffin' Glue and ATV fame? Steve Beresford rings a bell, can't put a name to a face or band though...when you've had to push through KRS-ONE's large and scary-looking entourage (they were actually all pretty sound blokes and Willie D, his hype man, was a fucking scream) just to get a quick word and an autograph; M.E.S, on his own, didn't seem too intimidating, plus I got "nice" vibes off him, not a "stay the fuck away!!!" stare! I think he was in a good mood 'cause the show was fantastic (maybe he recognised me from the day-befores' show at the same venue--I was right at the front both times and I'm really tall and was dressed in a very smart "mod"-esque tailored suit and a pork-pie hat which got knocked off and trampled on during the first show--luckily it was leather so it wasn't really damaged, just a bit scuffed!), Mark was in great voice and the band were...blinding!

[@GavinskisTutorials]

Thank you for this! A lot of work put in over many years, you guys did an amazing job with this documentary 🙏

[@stephenpowers51]

“Rhythmischief” (Rhythm Is Chief) This is a poem about that pop group The Fall. Loved by all Who really know what they’re talking about When it comes to music. Use important words like genius Cynicism, nihilism. Best band of all time, ‘til Fall time Fall rhythm. Long ago awhile, under his breath, A pyramid slave mutters, Says I really must try to eat myself fitter. Asks himself why Are people grudgeful, so bitter? (Later he’d form the best band ever, ‘til the dawn of Fall time, when all got better.) Now just trudgeful he climbs the steps Loaded front and back with bricks Wishing they were sticks. Thinks of his beloved Brix And that other Styx And hieroglyphics For fireside lyrics. A lot do I like The Mighty Fall. Their jaunty-angle anti-Spangle rhythm mangle. Skin and string and vocal cord tangle. Each song just a breath, in then out. From last to first, none better or worse. Now they Fall no more, by untimely death finished. And all that remains is a pyramid, unfinished.

[@perlefisker]

Thank you for this, a true fan-made documentary...and with Rollins in it, how cool is that!

[@Johnconno]

Pity Rollins fat-head had to be in it. Saying nothing.

[@StratsRUs]

@@Johnconno So predictable of you

[@Johnconno]

@@StratsRUs Sorry.

[@Man_Ray78]

I saw them here in Iceland at Austurbæjarbíó in the early 2000s. It's not the Consert where they recorded the live album. They came here atleast 3 times with multiple shows. I also saw them at a local pup the day after, i think with 50 people, or so. That show made me a fan. Beer and smoke, with Mark pissed and in such a small space and anybody ''dancing''. It's on top of my fav Punkrock shows and i've been to lots.

[@jawarholol4651]

Great live bits on this, thanks for uploading; have been waiting ages to see it! RIP MES

[@deletebilderberg]

'REPETITION IN OUR MUSIC AND WE'RE NEVER GONNA LOSE IT...'

[@martinaaron609]

"It's the whole body of the work that is to be applauded."

[@JammyGit]

I always liked The Fall's version of the old Motown song Ghost In My House back in the 80s.....It was so un-Fall-like that it just worked 😆👍

[@vollsticks]

There are a lot of songs like that though. "White Line Fever" off Reformation Post TLC is one of those. And most of Levitate, lol! Sorry for the pedantry!

[@Odidge]

That version of Damo Suzuki 🙌 Great film -really enjoyed it watching it. Long live The Fall

[@russelltodd7718]

What a fantastic, inspiring, record of the main man... Excellent work you three Danes.

[@vollsticks]

"Three Danes" has to be a lost Fall song, surely...

[@lukeheywood7334]

My vibration will live on when im dead and gone..

[@derekg49]

Loved that, fantastic version of damo Suzuki at the end. Great Peel interview, the comment about anyone who can say this are the falls 5 best albums is missing the point of the fall. Bang on. The fall's status (not music) is a bit like what grateful dead was to hippies, the fall are to post-punk / indie, they are either your most important artist or you don't like them.

[@mjleger]

thanks for uploading this - nice to see it finally, again

[@yehudimcewan5167]

that was a fantastic watch. i love the guitarist. is that the guy who went onto become a councilor and also made a wee doc about MES? loved his attitude.

[@simonball2855]

'Lost in Music' is the best cover ever.

[@slaterslater5944]

"Day in the life" close second. If only because all they did was speed it up slightly and make it rawer.

[@edwardmulholland7912]

Great documentary about a brilliant group. Mark was brilliant. Thanks for this.

[@gdgbd]

3/4's way through and cheers for posting! Remembering the NME cover with Mark, Shane and Nick...............feel old now but great times and gigs!

[@vollsticks]

Wow, was that a cover feature? Mark just spent the whole interview ripping into Shane McGowan, poor bastard!

[@newpuritan9292]

I have it as my ‘avatar’!

[@dillongstaff5625]

Jad Fair who performs the song over the end credits was in the band Half Japanese whose debut release on Armageddon Records "Half Gentlemen Not Beasts" was a 3 LP box set.Quite an achievement for a debut release!

[@yehudimcewan5167]

i was listening to daniel johnstone the other day and noticed there was something by him and jad fair. i bought a jad fair and teenage fanclub album and wasn't too keen. is jad fair worth percervering with?

[@pjr5913]

@@yehudimcewan5167 no

[@yehudimcewan5167]

@@pjr5913 thanks. It was the worst thing I've heard from teenage fanclub and I blame him...

[@shcoky]

@@yehudimcewan5167 absolutely. there are sycophantic fall fans & sycophantic half japanese fans. both artists are great, coming from a similar place & a different place. in a vacuum. in human society they are similar unusual artists. only when you compare them to each other do they become different. both jad fair & mark smith have been behind great & ok moments in their lifetimes of artistic output. much like our own report from day to day. they are both important long term reporters of existence that most could learn from.

[@shcoky]

@@yehudimcewan5167 try half japanese "loud" or "hot"

[@TravelatorH8r]

Mark's vocals to me borderline MC he's rallying the troops and narrating the music. He carefully utilizes his voice dissociated of emotion but through words of dry clever intellect almost like an inner narrative but with a megaphone

[@chrisfrost8456]

Never saw them but Mark E wow what a voice nothing like that since the amount of songs he wrote so much ,i saw the Bunnymen a few times great live and they supported him a few time ! I kept away cause i mistakenly saw them as avant-garde.

[@cecmckelvey4420]

I believe he’s possibly a warlock 🧙🏻‍♂️ 🔥🏴‍☠️

[@chrisfrost8456]

Brilliant Docu thanks for these Legends😊

[@aaroninky]

thanks for uploading this.

[@nwra7211]

Really the only band for me. And I love the tribute song at the end "12 years in the making j. fair l. kjelfred".

[@marcopervo]

It felt like I was the only person who liked them in the States until “Our Nations Saving Grace”.

[@mineralmusic8527]

Excellent!!

[@tonysmyth4116]

There's a MASSIVE empty space in my life since yeah, yeah, yeah... The space in my heart is filled, forever.

[@willyvlyminck138]

The Peel Sessions were better than the studio works. I wonder how they did it?

[@gdda2891]

Biggest reason is Mark couldn’t intimidate the engineer and producer at the BBC so they were all properly mixed lol

[@iaingorry]

would love to have a few with the two Dave's, salt of the Earth boys!

[@extryk8143]

Alan Wise got it spot on, cracked me up...

[@Alessio669]

6:02 that's the m Mark I like to remember. Rip my dear.

[@iaingorry]

Thurston Moore -"subterranean" , spot on!

[@mikeoleary1723]

I thought Dave Gedge was from Leeds. Now I get the George Best Lp cover.

[@diveinnjim]

"there are to many guitarists in the world" :)

[@321bytor]

too

[@ledhendrix5054]

That maybe true , but not all of these Guitar Players are good .

[@jiggersotoole7823]

there are too many "guitarists" on you tube thats for sure

[@jodragon8118]

too many fret wankers not enough good guitarists and too many punters who cannot recognise the difference between the two.

[@Johnconno]

@@ledhendrix5054 Too true...

[@Terra-Plan]

Mark is and was really Amazing. No discuses.

[@laszlozoltan5021]

brilliant doc- big thx

[@keithbentley6081]

How many people googled The Fall Live in Nova Scotia 84?

[@uncooldispatch5438]

Yes but nothing is there

[@uncooldispatch5438]

The fall live In new liskeard 1995

[@darrenryan1161]

Mark e.smith definition of enigma in my head lol.

[@koldimond1100]

Well done

[@kennethguitarfiend4493]

Thx soooo much for this!!!

[@dillongstaff5625]

Trying to analyze The Fall is like stacking encyclopaedias on whipped cream.

[@T3rratubby]

Do like your aphorism. Prefer custard though, (I put cocoa powder in it)

[@vollsticks]

The Annotated Fall are doing a fucking good job, though....

[@brutallyremastered4255]

Er, ok.

[@ciatangallaghe2485]

I'm knicking that.

[@SM-pk7pg]

What if the whipped cream was in bottles? 🤔

[@richardclark6858]

Very good that thanks

[@dande5009]

The band had a falling out at Reading Fest and consequently the manager of the Chemical Brothers had to fill in on drums for their main stage set - did I catch that properly??

[@stephencampbell5949]

You did.

[@DannyG-cv8so]

It was Danny Baker who got Bingo Masters heard. RIP Mark E Smith!

[@pcebpceb1638]

I read Mark’s book Renegade recently. Funniest book ever. He was so clever and so subversive.

[@joannesomerset7012]

Matey at 15mins looks like austin powers

[@jrbarbosa8342]

is he singing Desiigner's 2016 hit Panda at 45:08?

[@alexmcintosh3397]

Sounds like it started playing accidentally

[@NOWtheband]

This is good.

[@bencolemanart]

Damo never wants to play the old stuff either. I aspire to be more like Damo Suzuki. And Mark, in many ways.

[@paulharris6886]

CAN SOMEONE HELP ME OUT?? I unfortunately only get the chance to listen to them in the car (on my own!) these days, but what is the name of the track starting at 13 minutes in (Grant Showbiz talking about Karl Burns drumming)?? It sounds like early Fall so I should have it, but only on vinyl. It sounds brilliant! As Mark sang, ‘you’re puttin’ me away but I’ll be back one daaay!!’ Whatever the track is, I want it on a loop to zone-out to. Ta in advance

[@dectronica]

The one that starts bang on 13 minutes is ‘Gross Chapel - British Grenadiers’ from the album ‘Bend Sinister’

[@paulharris6886]

@@dectronica Thank you so much!!! It has been a constant ear worm. Bend Sinister is the only album I have on cassette and apart from MES, who listens to them these days? Even Mark can’t now, bless him. Thanks again 👍

[@kjelfred]

Yes - and its a actually a never released instrumental version that we discovered on a tape

[@paulharris6886]

@@kjelfred Thank you 👍

[@milanhaussmann3721]

23:15 I don't think it's good to be conscious about it, that's when you lose it.

[@justinparkerthewildwolf6394]

I like the fall its original sounding and punky with a beat and he's managed to make a life for himself and stay out of prison and that

[@noroomforsquares4483]

Rock on, Danny!

[@darylcumming7119]

Thank you.

[@liviasalgado]

Epic

[@TravelatorH8r]

The Falls music is the most normal sounding kind of music to me, it's like my mother calling me

[@tudwelliotut3552]

The Fall changed my whole outlook on music forever. The weirdos are the people that don't get it........:)

[@eggjoe122]

@32:42 I love you Mark!

[@sidDkid87]

*_”he IS appreciated”_*

[@anfrankogezamartincic1161]

They learned something from Kraut Rock

[@belverticale]

40:00 Peelie on Coldplay! Chortle.

[@repel5879]

what is the song at 13:05?

[@PaulCroslandRefugeTreeWoods]

“Gross Chapel - British Grenadiers” from 1986’s “Bend Sinister”; which alongside the subsequent “Frenz Experiment”, one of the two albums that opened my ears to what The Fall offered to someone who needed music and commentary as delivered by Mark E Smith: music.kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5abmaysi5iMitk&feature=share

[@TonyLing]

I'm into CB

[@TrevorBarre]

"We were falling, we were spinning..."

[@nickhanlon9331]

Kohn Peel met both JFK and Lee Harvey Oswald.

[@jodragon8118]

have 57 Fall albums and theres still more to go

[@vollsticks]

59 (but a few of those are doubles...and trebles, I must confess...)

[@stephendallison1465]

Over 100

[@markcollins1497]

To me there’s just no way that Lydon With PIL wasn’t borrowing from Smith

[@asharp6464]

I enjoyed that

[@dillongstaff5625]

Lo Fi and shambling...a bit like the band themselves.Brilliant film...Odd despite their many singles their biggest hits in the UK charts were cover versions!

[@dillongstaff5625]

4 more of their albums and I have the lot-by then half a dozen more archive releases or compilations would have arrived...but didn't get on with his solo spoken word albums.Tried...but failed there.

[@timbarlow9387]

Wasn't Dandelion Records John Peel's short-lived record label? Or is this a different Dandelion Records?

[@andrewwatson4516]

Yes Tim, i have a Kevin Coyne box set on the Dandelion label.

[@bencolemanart]

1:03:55 John was spared that loss.

[@jonathangeddes9786]

Magnificent

[@becausewemust]

He was appreciated

[@justmadeit2]

The Falls song Paintwork well I made a vid to go with the song. To see it just type in the following title... The Fall Paintwork Prestwich

[@dant7072]

Fall fan Dave needs to chill out a bit

[@mikeoleary1723]

Damo Suzuki is great.

[@stephendallison1465]

Never led astray he went his way

[@daskleinegluck4553]

The story of The Fall is also a story of the self destruction of absolute greatness. So the band's name is a self fulfilling prophecy. Terribly sad but true.

[@johnmichaelson9173]

Absolutely true, I first saw them at Eric's in Liverpool back in the late 1970's & then watched Mark embark on one of the longest suicides in rock&roll. For all his uncompromising attitude & undeniable smarts with the Fall he couldn't control the drugs & the drink. Through that it got to the stage when he lost all control & the alcohol took over. A once super smart, affable, funny & witty man turned everything into a shit show.

[@daskleinegluck4553]

@@johnmichaelson9173 Please let's say a great shit show, because everything The Fall performed was still overwhelming 🙃.

[@johnmichaelson9173]

@@daskleinegluck4553 I watched them many times & that's simply not true, sorry but there it is.

[@curiositytax9360]

My favourite part early 90’s, late 90’s and early 2000’s. Even if he was in a terrible state, the music is still good and it really gives off the feeling of what was happening around that time aswell as being good rock songs. Even when they first started, he was the driving force and it feels like every album really reflects the mind states, attitudes and just the general life they where living, going on around the group. I’m not saying documentary realism or even some poem of the soul. It’s hard to explain but it’s like looking at a painting or what some films do in capturing a time and place. It is poetic. Even when it’s Smith as a piss head in his 50’s wearing shoes bought from George’s in the Asda. He doesn’t mention that in his lyrics but he still really captures whatever that life is he’s living. Even if it sounds incomprehensible or the lyrics are even more cryptic, I don’t know how but he captures those atmospheres and feelings if that makes sense. Nothing else does. Steaford Mods? Awful. They are the pretend version of something like that. Also reminds me of a new band called Fontines DC. The Fall better than them even right at the end before Smith died. Sub Lingual Tablet was an amazing album. That’s what got me into them. There is song on that album called dedication not medication and it mentions pissing the bed etc. I’m young but it’s like an electronic techno rock song talking about struggles with doctors in older age and the experience of going through something like that, but with a northern humour too it. I don’t care about any of that stuff but the song he’s built around the music is still great. It feels legit in ways other music doesn’t in terms of what it’s singing or capturing in its rhythms. That song also thanks alone. The beat, chord progressions may have been lifted from some other song but that doesn’t really matter because it’s still doing it’s own thing. That’s the only way I can describe it but every album feels like it captures something. Every one, even the ones I don’t like. There’s a whole story or tale being told on top of the music. I like Levitate and it really does that capture the atmosphere of the group falling apart. It’s all through the music. Yes, you may say I’m being pretentious and it sounds rough because of reasons like Smith being drunk but that is a legit work of art that captures something in a very authentic and sincere way. Its naked. It’s a unique thing. And it does sound great if you can get into that atmosphere. It’s like looking at a painting and really getting, feeling that thing, whatever it is, from it. You might be rolling your eyes but don’t know how else to describe it. You don’t really get this from a lot of music. The way he ended up in the end, the humour was always there, this is one of the funniest bands Iv ever listened too and it really is intentional, but he leant into it more and you could say he became self parody but I don’t think he did. Yes, a drunk. But he didn’t betray that state he was living in. This isn’t a moral thing or even some daft worship of an addict like Pete Doherty or something, all I’m saying is there was always sincere self expression right to the end. If he would of been what he was when he started or in the mid 80’s, he would of been just a different type of joke. He fulfilled his persona if that makes sense, for better or worse. He just rode it all the way. I will admit that the mid 90’s is not good. Cerebral Caustic is probably their weakest album. But that’s one album. I don’t like Light User Syndrome either or Middle Class Revolt, which I go back and forth on. The band sounds tired but again, it’s like a pure kind of self expression. The album can’t help but reflect the life experience.

[@bencolemanart]

Is Grant Showbiz waiting for a package delivery? It's really weird how he doesn't seem to want to look at the interviewer or the camera. Like a cat who's seen a squirrel out the window.

[@curiositytax9360]

This doc is perfect. Captures the ramshackle nature of the Fall. And it’s really funny too because of that. They probably didn’t intend for it to be like this but they captured it anyway.

[@Johnconno]

Discipline & Punish

[@stevedocherty6240]

It blows my mind that Mark E Smith and Taylor Swift have the same job title.

[@uncooldispatch5438]

❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@frankpaisley6799]

well done. tak.

[@speeduser3597]

Mark E Smith rip in God's heaven.

[@stephenplemonster4377]

nervous norvus - Transfusion

[@speeduser3597]

MES made a cover of that one. It's great.

[@Terra-Plan]

THE FALL WASN´T GREATEST...AMAZING...

[@rippedtorn2310]

Love the fact all the musos are putting all this genius on an alcoholic rambling haha Edit: just to clarify he fekin is one . Its just hilarious .

[@lancashirebomber9744]

smiffy