The fall of West Indies - Stumped, BBC World Service

[@yaduvitocorleone]

Could have got at least one panelist from West Indies

[@UpkarSinghji]

That tells you about their unavailability 😅

[@1972dsrai]

They’re probably in India commentating on the IPL.

[@sivakumarvakkalanka4938]

Heartbreaking! Difficult to imagine a WC without the Windies!

[@leroygreaves9722]

Over the past twenty years, most West Indian players had and still have no loyalty to their own team and hence, were the architects of their team's self destruction. West Indies players use the team just to get international recognition, then suddenly, they are unavailable, yet at the same time they are available to T20 teams all over the world. Lots of mercenaries and a few loyalists. That's WI problem. Roy Greaves Montserrat West Indies

[@ahmedshakib3883]

You are absolutely , all those players are one of the major reasons wi cricket has gone to the toilet , I would also add lack of professionalism , I remember a test they got murdered in Trinidad in 2004 and Gayle and Sarwan after the match were dancing with the carib girls , that says it all no passion or pride .

[@mervinwinston6178]

And just Gayle and Sarwan don't like each other . We are in a mess, and it's gonna take a miracle to get us out. I notice that the differences between West Indies and other nation is that they fly under one flag and the various Islands in the West Indies are always bickering as to which island is better .

[@mervinwinston6178]

@@user-yr4vp1jk7j what are you referring to

[@Yusni-bc2cm]

Loyalty to what tho? WICB pay the players peanuts, of course they choose to a place more viable for their living.

[@mervinwinston6178]

Then don't use West Indies cricket as there stepping stone to financial success.. It's like the medical people using government training money to qualify then go private where the gravy train is more bountiful

[@cricketunmasked]

The comment about the lack of National Pride due to the fact that players are not playing for their countries directly is misplaced. The region has a shared history that bonded us not merely by choice but destiny. It is that shared History that fueled the passion of the past and will do the same in the future.

[@lornamyers9247]

I absolutely agree! It has much more to do with the emergence of Franchise Cricket, it’s NOT a loss of National Pride.

[@cricketunmasked]

@@lornamyers9247 Thank you for seeing the rationale in my argument.

[@lornamyers9247]

@@cricketunmasked Not at all. It’s so obvious. And that comment is rather ‘off colour,’ to put it diplomatically.

[@edmondmendez3343]

We ask wi players to b patriotic is cwi patriotic '?

[@deeplife9654]

Since my childhood, I have been supporter of West Indies but see the experience the fall of an empire. It is sad to see that

[@avinashchowti5905]

The talent is available and the pride is there , selection is the main downfall of our teams . Certain players have been given too many opportunities and are still averaging in the mind 20's early 30's , while others are given one or two games then forgotten. Selectors say they will pick the teams based on performance but the leading wicket taker for the regional 4 day competition for the last 5 years has not been given more than two games at a time. Never played back to back series.

[@arkabhattacharya3947]

I am here after WC 2023 heartbreak my heart broke twice in this tournament 1st was when Windies failed to qualify 2nd was when India lost the finals yesterday.

[@marlonhonore2324]

Steve Smith has a team Brian Lara only had Chanderpaul and pressure.

[@trevorlewis847]

Yes but apart from Warner for years it was smith n Warner carrying the team, only last few years have a few other batters put their hands up🤔😉

[@marlonhonore2324]

You not referring to between Micheal Clark bad back and all that play his soul out in pain while the no name no back weak ling of the west indies could not bat could not bowl could field had no ears (don't forget Justin Langer and I could name a couple more that is required in team)Lara had no team he had a mean

[@leeturton9254]

West Indies were on the slide well before t20...the real problem is their best athletes are going over to other sports...also their fans have abandoned them...which has a serious knock on effect...nobody wants to play in a empty stadium

[@maurisawilson4942]

They need me for the future to win I am 13 I Trinidad

[@untouchabledoll5572]

Well as a person form the Caribbean, playing for the West Indies is as playing for any cricketing nation, they win we celebrate they losses we are hurt all as West Indian and as a ppl we see all of our players as West Indies and not as one particular country so just no that

[@anthonymcken6050]

I think that the other cricketing nations are rejoicing that the WI has declined.

[@cleanbowled1767]

Sad to see and hear that West Indies cricket become a by-word and laughingstock. Poor management, inept succession planning and a growing penchant to chase the dangling big bucks of the IPL and other T20 have conspired to stunt growth and stature of West Indian cricketers.

[@paulterry1335]

South African cricket is sadly heading in the same direction 😣

[@Ufhjjhfgj]

We can’t blame IPL only, best talents are choosing other sports. South Africa and SiriLanka are headed in the same direction also.

[@John-pl8fe]

Nah South Africa are just going through a bad patch. They will be back!!

[@deppam]

As a West Indian truly sad. I remember a couple of years ago Trinidad had won a few T20 matches and wanted to go it alone. You see I had seen this a long time ago. Since Richie Richardson was given captain over Desmond Haynes. The thing is that we are Ten (10) former British colony Islands who was in a Federation that lasted 2 1/2 years. We Broke up because of we could not decide where the capital would be and issues with taxation. Eric Williams and Sir William Alexander Clarke Bustamante left a legacy of Division in the Caribbean. It is like we got independences just to replace the monarchy by highly incompetent men in the Caribbean.

[@anthonymcken6050]

The other cricketing nations are happy that WI cricket is dead. They are happy for a non Black nation can take their place.

[@khurmiful]

I wonder if the people in the Caribbean have lost touch with the “West Indies” cricket.

[@1972dsrai]

Losing to Scotland and the Dutch in Zimbabwe pretty much sealed the fact the Windies aren’t the powerhouse they once were. The top players are now more focused on playing in overseas leagues for big money and you can’t really blame them when you consider how short careers can be. Maybe the CPL will help keep more players at home, but will the CWI have the finances to keep it going, only time will tell if it’s sustainable for the long term.

[@Ufhjjhfgj]

I don’t think I’m interested in either of them, I want to see cricket rivalries like India & Pakistan and Stronger West Indies and South Africa teams.

[@Ufhjjhfgj]

We are sick of T20 and IPL

[@deppam]

As a West Indian truly sad. I remember a couple of year ago Trinidad has won a few T20 matches and wanted to go it alone. You see I had seen this a long time ago. Scene Richie Richardson was given captain over Desmond Haynes. The thing is that we are Ten (10) former British colony Islands who was in a Federation that lasted 2 1/2 years. We Broke up because of we could not decide where the capital would be and issues with taxation. You see Eric Williams and Sir William Alexander Clarke Bustamante left a legacy of Division in the Caribbean. It is like we got independences just to replace the monarchy by highly incompetent men in the Caribbean.

[@deppam]

True, but the game will go on. The issue is deeper than what most cricket commentators will tell you. It is an issue of economics. People don't have money to feed their family and send their children to school. They will not take the little they have to go and see a cricket match. We need to develop our own multinational businesses in the Caribbean so these companies can sponsor our sporting institutions. These monies can build new grounds and renovate the old ones. Example India, England and Australia. But as always most of our politicians rather take an under table cut from a foreign business.

[@maxasaurus3008]

Not sure what I stumbled into but I find the Gentleman in Mumbai very fascinating: that polished British made me think of Indiana Jones ❤

[@St_AngusYoung]

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[@joncumber2020]

The deliberate and systemic removal of West Indians from the English county circuit, increased emigration rates, competing sports, loss of social mobility/ cache via playing cricket, the advent of global T20 leagues and a seemingly cultural pervasive aversion to science/ analysis - now a requisite of the modern sports. Player attitude has improved and the team comprehensively defeated England and Sri Lanka in 2022. All is therefore not lost, but with fewer crowds and minimal local corporate interest, the future international setup looks quite grim.

[@user-ti6cc6qs8c]

STRANGE/FUNNY? The controversy of the "controversial" runout in the second test nfortunately didn't reflect exactly what happened. The fact is the batsman should be awarded a boundary instead was given out, runout. In the fielder's attempt to pull back the ball it hit his knee and continued to hit the boundary line and rolled back unto the field. It was all the third umpire's failure to focus on the ball.

[@portcullis5622]

I think you must be confusing two separate incidents. The controversy in the Second Ashes Test was caused by Bairstow being stumped after wandering out of his ground, facing the fast bowler. As the 'keeper was standing well back, there was a slight delay, so it looked harsh. Actually, it was fair enough (especially as Bairstow is a 'keeper and should have known better) and if it had been off a spinner, most people wouldn't have questioned it. The ball went nowhere near the boundary.

[@top7bb]

this is why grassroots is key to sustain the future of anything let alone sport or cricket

[@ZIPSQUADENT.]

Facts it needs more funding

[@ikatelx1503]

Yes yes yes and yes , Westindies Cricketers is making more dollars but they are not making any sense , what I'm hearing from the panel is that , they are penny smart and pound foolish , when politicians was dividing the people ,the westindies team were bringing us together , when I want to see a good game of cricket I go to KZbin 60ts 70ts 80ts when men played foe the love of the game, not money

[@Ufhjjhfgj]

We haven’t seen Athlete and talented players like Ambrose, Walsh, Vivian Richards & Lara and Marshall even if you’re to pay them $ 10 Million a day and they are no where to be found.

[@conradaugust1840]

West Indies will be okay don’t worry we will be back the IPL has destroyed our cricket but the players are seeing the dark side of the game

[@anthonymcken6050]

The other cricketing nations are happy to see WI cricket at a low ebb. The ICC don't see WI as fertile commercial ground to pump money in the WI. They are not interest in sentimentality only money and other new emerging countries in Europe like Ireland, Scotland and the Netherlands and parts of Asia with bigger populations and more established economies.

[@iceman4660]

IPL did not destroy Windies cricket. The rot started in the early 2000s. We are where we should be. On our knees.

[@WaveRider1989]

WI actually was doing terrible for decades, I would say T20 international is what propelled WI to stardom again by winning 2 WCs. ODI and Test cricket they have been bad since brain Lara left.

[@ronaldramsumair938]

To much politics in West Indies cricket

[@ryanrajigah2850]

Not enough Guyanese playing for the WI.

[@omarbutt5749]

Early return from cricket world cup,Pakistan. We're not serious to play cricket Pakistan, west Indies, fraction, India. West indies , Zimbabwe,out of qualifying rounds. World's worst rate frauds, India,Pakistan.

[@shanthiariyaratnam9891]

If one sees through the MSM's storyline, salient parts of the story are missing. I've listed them below: 1. ICC's new rules introduced in the 80s to blunt the never-ending line of pace bowling talent WI was producing. 2. Big 3's economic clout in the last 2 decades, which wholely ignored the (non-white countries with the exception of India) likes of WI, Pakistan BD & SL(Cricketing Aptheid) 3. Denied access to WI players in English County Cricket for more than 3 decades. 4. Current divide & rule scheduling protocol of ICC in all formats & especially in Tests 5. Stupid rating system of the ICC, which doesn't make any sense. A proper mathematical model needs to be used in the days of AI. The current RATING system is for the time when manual scoreboards were in use.

[@rabindranauthnaraine2676]

Am from Guyana Icc please dnot money in West Indian cricket I know what am telling you guys they steel the money out

[@stewartdavies929]

12:02 what does whether a player is going for a run or not have to do with a stumping?

[@ayubmatadar1136]

Sort and simple they are lots of distractions and many West Indian cricketers uses to play in England My favourite Sir Isaac Vivian Alexander Richards THE BEST.

[@briansamuel9]

Administration killed West Indies cricket. Players from other countries play T20 around the world yet their cricket has not slumped like West Indies. Our talent nurseries were cricket on the road and backyard and cricket at school.

[@mervinwinston6178]

T20 has destroyed the purity of cricket.....why is it that India will not allow its players to partake in other franchises... such arrogance just because your financial power is greater than others, your arrogance projects lack of care of the game of cricket.

[@orbreyhinkson7484]

SO TRUE

[@vasanthnarain5639]

majority of them dont like this rule, majority of india public wants cricket to spread, and more associates to come in, test cricket shouldnt be limited to couple of nations, when the spread is more, even if some dont do well, others can compensate, bcci as organisation is not transparent , and as public we cant do much

[@vasanthnarain5639]

similar to how mcc was, bcci has replaced, wi as test playing nation will come to an end seeing the performances off late, we do need other nations to compensate,

[@desireuben]

ICC and BCCI killed WI cricket by sneaking all batting friendly rules. In last 25 years. Fast bowlers are made a joke

[@davidstuart1996]

They all wanted to see the demise of WI cricket and now celebrate Like all things they will rise again

[@amarendraborah6941]

What a steep fall in standard it has been - from the zenith to the nadir !

[@DangerousFacts48]

The zenith was 40 years ago. Hardly a quick collapse

[@amarendraborah6941]

@@DangerousFacts48 The answer is very much implicit in the narrative itself ! What's absolutely required is - proper application of mind ! However, it's an altogether different issue, if someone feigns ignorance intentionally ! How right was the great Lao Tzu in his assessment in saying - "The truth is not always beautiful nor beautiful words the truth !" To get optimum satisfaction as also to ascribe some semblance of authenticity to it, someone should better put this question to one's own conscience ! Because, conscience never lies ; provided, ofcourse, someone has any !

[@thuraisamypraba4976]

Very sad for the fall of westindies cricket

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[@nourlhandle1_]

Cricket is WWF with bat and ball

[@Ufhjjhfgj]

One day Cricket and Test Cricket between respective rivals home and away. We need to see Pak play in India and vice versa, tough and hard Cricket Test Cricket in Eden Gardens and Karachi. Ashes and IPL is not doing anything for fans anymore.

[@vjimmy12]

Warning for Cricket …. Cricket is falling apart ,it will fall slowly…because no growth in cricket .very slow process.The T20 format will demolish the cricket.T20 must stop ASAP

[@johndasilva2686]

My family have seen the west indies win one day world cups at lords in 1975/79 and test matches in the 70s and 80s. We will always have a glorious pass . For various reasons we have declined . Eg lack of interest . Change in rules,limit of west indies overseas players , interest in other sports limit on bouncers , T20s ,harder for carribean fans to get tickets abroad. It's time for change. West Indies cricket should be cancelled. We should play as indivdual nations as we do in football athletics and netball,why not cricket . Due to top west indian players in the T20s, the west indies are having to pick 3rd elevens for tests. Its unfair on the players and the crowds. Might as well start from the begining as indivdual cricket nations .

[@mohammad-A927]

I blame the so called big 3 who get automatic qualifications and wanna limit the competion. Zimbabwe Scotland Afghanistan Windies should all be in the tournament that Kenya has thrived in before

[@boyzthompson7447]

West Indian rain for so long and who benefit think about dat

[@indrajeetsamal8131]

Now it's only ,T 20 cricket What west Indies cricketers will play There is no interest and passion among player and even among west Indies crowd For 50 over format or test matches . Let's accept fact that west Indies cricket in longer version format is not good at all

[@mahiramhoodho2898]

No Guyanese no Cricket in the Waste Indies 🤔 🤣🏏🇬🇾

[@billwaterman2447]

It’s quite annoying how biased these podcasts are, as soon as the Bairstow episode is halfway though there a polite, let’s move on - no thought to mention that Bairstow was attempting to do the same as England’s keeper in the same test (not 2 series ago) the same test, but missed! All of a sudden it’s not in the spirit of the game because he is more accurate than Bairstow.

[@Ufhjjhfgj]

We can’t let ICC run the game without supporting poorer countries to entice players to choose to play Cricket.

[@vijaykowlessar2981]

Just shameful as West Indian fan

[@Ufhjjhfgj]

I don’t think it’s possible anymore to have fair panelist representation anymore, Cricket is 💀 dead. Just Ashes and IPL remain.

[@stewartdavies929]

Ahh yes, the spirit of the game. Let’s compare how India treated Bell. Ok, now let’s compare the boorish treatment of one of the all time greats of the game, Steve Smith by the English crowds. Remember how Virat Kohli reacted to the Indian crowd during the World Cup in England? Basically telling them “ENOUGH!”. Anything like that from captain marvellous Stokes? Not a hint. In fact the English players went out of their way to whip up crowds. I’ve no doubt they were hoping this would add pressure to Smith to breaking point. Finally, one of the greatest five batsman of all time left the crease for the final time on English shores to a round of the usual moronic boos. Well played England, you last bastion of civility, manners and the spirit of cricket. Hypocrites!

[@ronaldjoe7896]

when ever Racism exist in any sport this is the usual result ,lots of official in the west Indies always wanted a all black team as if the others Player do not count , the no one man fighting for this is Claude Loyd , he willfully overlook test quality players of Indian origin and forged Black players who were never test quality and the cricket Board hey were all in it together , at one stage when there was no Indian ,Guyana had about four Indian test quality Bats men and Loyd Knew all those players ,so west indies is right where they deserved to be , but looking back there is a sadness in my heart ,never again will we see another Roy Fedrick Gordon Grinage these men were with class Players west Indies never was short of Bowlers at four Fast bowlers men like Alvin Kalicharran , Some Great one said there is not a pitch in this world that Rohan Kanhai cannot score Runs , there was a player in Guyana, Captain of a visiting team said about him The west Indies have a excellent test Player coming up , some one ask who is he , the man said his name is Rabindranath Seeram , he is Natural test player excellent Batsman , Loyd make Sure that he was never selected , there is a lot more , its not necessary ,

[@Herbertl_Lee]

What about the fall of BBC😂

[@salinshrestha5012]

They only have t 20 players

[@shivpatel733]

Not even that good of a T20 team. Surprisingly there Test side is the best out of all formats nowadays.

[@Ufhjjhfgj]

Indian ICC officials are to blame for their lack of support if the game in many similar countries such as Siri Lanka $ South Africa. Very soon Test & one day Cricket will die too in ever country and IPL will be the only thing left to play. Let’s be honest the game is almost dead in every country but India.

[@himanshugambhir7665]

Indeed.. especially by picking only 10 teams for CWC.. its ridiculous.. you say that we want to spread the game and then do this

[@chandrasingh4781]

Politics and selections of players. Clive Lloyd was racial

[@abhijeetraushan3484]

Distribution of wealth , come on if BCCI has to pay large number of players. India have certainly more professional cricket player than major 3-4 cricket country combined.