The Fall of Western Art & Culture by David Starkey

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[@nobodyexpectssi4654]

Nos gobiernan enfermos, canallas y degenerados. Pobre Europa. ~”Nosotros fuimos los leones, los gatopardos. Los que nos sustituyan serán chacales e hienas…, “ Gracias, señor Starkey

[@captainmaim]

I enjoyed every moment of that

[@LearnCompositionOnline]

Excellent lecture

[@LS-xs7sg]

Speaking for myself one of the most “radicalising” experiences of my life was simply looking around a gallery of modern “art” by recent graduates (publicly funded). The experience affirmed to me that there is something deeply wrong with our society and those who rule over us. When you consider the sheer time, money and psychological resources spent on churning out this nihilistic crap you really have to just stand in awe.

[@nickstone3113]

The worship of ugliness

[@dpstrial]

Modern art seems to be crafted to challenge, insult and unsettle the viewer, and offers little either in technical or creative excellence.

[@LS-xs7sg]

@ exactly it insults the senses, the intellect and the soul all at once.

[@henrylicious]

It doesn't help that it's also a means of "legal" money laundering in some cases.

[@Eris123451]

@@LS-xs7sg Which when you actually stop and think about it is no mean feat. Have you even considered the possibility that such might well have been the artist's intent and that if so work would have to be judged as having been a resounding success ?

[@MaxPlankton]

As Sir Roger Scruton once said and I paraphrase, 'the benefit of contemporary art galleries is that all the rubbish is in one place so that one can avoid it'. Apologies for my English grammar: I was in year one of the raving mad comp movement in my area.

[@dianablackman4528]

"Modern" and "Post-Modern" Art can be summed up in two words: Degenerate fraud.

[@briancomforti3890]

As the greatest working artist, the issue I see among people trying to create art isn’t different than what it has been; people do not learn to draw properly before painting

[@dianawitty9628]

I was just trying to think of his name…watched his videos and just couldn’t have agreed more… it’s like the chicken and the egg as to why we’re in this nihilistic frame of mind of mind, however we got here, Art is keeping us here. Especially Architecture….

[@kundalini1953]

And again Thank you Professor Starkey❤

[@user-BahHumbug]

Absolutely Love listening to this extraordinary man ❤

[@anncouper-johnston6112]

❤ Medieval architects built to the Glory of God (so we don't even know who they were). Modern ones build to be noticed.

[@arthuroldale-ki2ev]

What a splendid fellow , Professor David Starkey is .

[@AnnBell007]

I didn’t realize this “model” of man was still out there. I can sit back and relax for this talk. Like a vacation! ❤️🍿😎

[@lmonk9517]

modern art and architecture is less of a passing of the torch but more a torching of the past.

[@ericchristen2623]

Both still exist and there are fine examples in both epocs.

[@CHRISTOPHERDEW-h3i]

Starkey is himself 'extraordinary': With a clarity of structure and communication, he imparts insights into his theme with rich and copious detail drawing together threads from a multitude of related fields. He is at the interface of old books and new ideas. Wonderful on every occasion.

[@Eris123451]

No sadly he's become another boring old fart and a more than a bit of a crank these days. I'm sad to say.

[@johnstevens6971]

Take a look at the 'national treasure' Tracy Emin's work', it exemplifies what 'art' has become, conceptual claptrap.

[@ericchristen2623]

She is a fraud, like Andy, and does not represent the art world.

[@carmencollor1224]

Dear Dr. Starkey, what a brilliant talk ( yet another one). You deserve every recognition and honor for this priviledged mind of yours. Thank you so much for sharing your immense knowledge and extraordinary raisoning with us.

[@nyckolaus]

Thank you, Dr. Starkey!

[@SimonJamesYoung-x7f]

Best Speaker on the Net

[@LS-xs7sg]

He is up there with Mr Bowden certainly

[@ruthcollins2841]

​@@LS-xs7sgWho?🤷‍♀️

[@MichaelSheffield-ox8yd]

Agreed!

[@vernetify]

I would recommend reading H. R. Rookmaker “Modern Art and the Death of a Culture” first published 55 years ago.

[@Ferdinand314]

Thank you! I saw an early painting by Picasso yesterday, and I could just scream. He was on track to become a second Rembrandt, and instead he became ... something altogether opposite. Catherine Austin Fitts has talked about something very specific that occurred, and this book might say what it was.

[@danw5760]

​@@Ferdinand314What occurred?

[@Ferdinand314]

@ I don't remember. Catherine Austin Fitts, the former Bush Ass't Housing Secretary, interviewed a guest who talked about it. I'm trying to find the video now. If I do, I'll come back and tell you.

[@MrMjp58]

Best commentary on Modern Art I've yet come across.

[@BillSikes.]

The Rt Hon Dr Sir David Starkey Phd KG, GCB CBE, arguably the Greatest historian in the World!

[@ericchristen2623]

But not an artist. So he still needs to evolve.

[@archilebralidze8209]

Very intriguing and interesting as usual! One notice - young gentlemen sitting on the left of Professor, is really "enchanted" by the lecture)))

[@sue.F]

“A modernity that does not dismiss the past, something you might actually want to live for.” These last words express a forward looking conservatism that could stir a nation from its enforced slumber. Starkey here is truly visionary.

[@davidh6543]

Depends on which bits of the past you 'want to live for' really. Some bits are willingly dismissed already, like Cromwell's genocide and enslavement in Ireland, or the 2 million starved or displaced during the avoidable Famine. That's just your next-door neighbour, never mind Africa, India, or the middle east I don't imagine forward-looking conservatism will be straying too far from Nelson, Wellington, Spitfires, and poppies, certainly in the school curriculum.

[@sue.F]

@@davidh6543 we need to be unflinching, name one nation state that was not founded on blood. “That corpse you planted last year in your garden, “Has it begun to sprout? Will it bloom this year? “Or has the sudden frost disturbed its bed?”.

[@davidh6543]

@@sue.F Nobody is asking you to flinch, although Britain has plenty to flinch about, same as most countries. A balance between bombast and reflection needs to be maintained however. Seems to me that Brits are forever unflinchingly marching up and down, from changing of the guard, to WW1, WW2 commemorations, trooping the colour, the proms, armed forces day. There are more bloody Spitfires flying around air shows now than there were in the 1960s. What more do you want? Other than the likes of Tibet or Luxembourg, the only truly 'unflinching' nation I can think of is Germany. They were beaten into acknowledging their sins, and the shameful history is hammered into their kids in school, lest they get too bombastic again as time passes. They don't have the luxury of teaching about the Tudors and Stewarts, Wellington and Nelson, how Britain freed the slaves an won 2 world wars single handed, like the sanitized crap taught to English kids. Who do you mean by 'we need to be unflinching'' anyway? The UK isn't a nation state, it is a unitary state. Half of Northern Ireland doesn't share the English version of history, a fair bit of Scotland doesn't either. The past needs to be remembered, that includes the nasty bits.

[@nicksallnow-smith7585]

As a previous inhabitant, I was very happy to hear you pronounce Cuventry correctly! I rather wish you had mentioned that that other Eliot, George Elliot, located her best novel in Coventry, fictionally called Middlemarch.

[@philiphumphrey1548]

I would argue that the decline of art parallels the decline in religion, especially Christianity. Without the supernatural, without the idea that this world is only part of a greater reality, art starts to look inward and what sees is ugly. What it produces is also ugly, from the atonal cacophony that passes for modern orchestral "music", to the action art splatters, the soiled bed and the unreadable and meaningless booker prize entries.

[@feedthewhale4266]

When God is forgotten, the creature itself becomes unintelligible.

[@dianawitty9628]

@@feedthewhale4266yes, just a simple belief that there is something more… god, goddess, collective consciousness…a believer in love, a higher purpose… empathy, caring harmony, consequences…anything but the most important thing is the biggest pile of money and just well fuck it all…

[@kensho123456]

The War on Beauty.

[@billyliar1614]

This was actually a fascinating lecture, far more than I find his political ones. His final point about Elliot's literature being a fusion of tradition and modernity strikes a particular chord , something which seems to have been paralleled in visual art movements such as Vorticism and Expressionism and, of course, Deco. But what he seems to regard as a synthesis I would see as a final evolution - the Western artistic tradition seemed to stop moving forward in the early-mid 20th Century, instead mistaking destruction for progress and getting a bit silly. Personally, I blame John Berger.

[@stephenrose1343]

I enjoyed this ,as I do all Dr Starkey's provocative lectures,but with the additional insight of a painter, one who went to the R A and knew one of Basil Spence's colleagues. The intellectual vanity of architects and the whole wrong-headed pursuit of post-war architecture have been well documented but still need to be amplified. We have politicians like the Mayor of London determined to deface their cities with a top-down arrogance that recognises nothing of local value or the opinion of the public,as ever we are at the mercy of fools bloated with power. The great irony of the modern movement is how iconoclasm can be welcomed in with the lure of money and by turn, become the orthodoxy. I recommend John Stephens Curl's lectures on KZbin. Thanks for posting.

[@TheChannelofaDisappointedMan]

Duchamp a 'malign genius' indeed. His painting, Nude Descending a Staircase is superb; he was also a gifted graphic designer. As ever, a great talk, provocative, insightful, and humorous by turn. One small correction: the craft element has gone out of the artist, not their art. Warhol exemplifies this by handing over production to an army of technicians, a practice now so normalized that it barely attracts comment. Damien Hirst's entire career takes this form.

[@aclifford652]

Think he meant personal involvement, or particular investment at hand. Personally I'm so sick and tired of having these twerps, some of whom you mention, considered to be akin to architects who design that others may build. These days the idea seems mostly to consist in the undertaking of remaking small things big things.

[@kaloarepo288]

There is nothing new about that - most of the great sculptors of the past employed an equipe of semi skilled workers whose job it was to do all the preliminary rough work on a peace of marble and then the sculptor would do all the fine work and details. Same thing happened with painting where a great painter like Rubens would have a room full of apprentices who completed much of the actual painting under the master's supervision.

[@fredfrenchy]

Dochamp... A chancer and a coward

[@dianawitty9628]

Exactly

[@JohnBambolino]

Mr Starkey please go on an interview with my friend Stefan Tompson who runs visegrad 24! He interviewed Dominic Tarczyński too. Great journalist.

[@martygahan]

Well done.

[@jeffcurtis5980]

I remember my first visit to Tate Modern. By the time I reached the second floor I was furious at the utter nonsense in there. It felt like I was being insulted at every turn. I left my girlfriend to it and waited outside. I've been back since but although I manage to walk further, it's not much further and the feelings remain the same with a swift exit.

[@paulwally9007]

The Tate Modern is amazing! The problem is, it's full of rubbish.

[@AndriaBieberDesigns]

Love your videos! Thank you 🙏 ❤

[@perfectblue8443]

That opening ceremony was the most horrible, vulgar, insulting, pseudo-intellectual, sickening thing I ever saw

[@victoriahigman6802]

You’re a beautiful literary and historical critic. As well as a philosopher if all of that I am allowed to say

[@KevinPhelann-gc1tu]

I have always thought exactly what you have beening saying i remember as a teenager being in the national art gallery of ireland and viewing the classic art gallery and then the modern art gallery and realised that modern art was fraudulent they couldn't paint .

[@virgil9303]

This man is a national treasure for Britain.

[@philipnaggs]

Please come to Bali Mr.Starkey😊

[@craigboycrook4542]

Solid Gold David.

[@fredhoupt4078]

Excellent and very stimulating.

[@davidray8337]

Fascinating as ever Mr.Starkey

[@raymondbristow4007]

It was a most excellent talk as usual. Trooper Bear

[@johnthornhill8551]

Enjoyable essay as always. Marvellous on Joshua Reynolds. Not sure I'd agree with comments on Warhol and Coventry. The former was a highly successful and marketised commercial artist who mines the deposits of modern-day gods and goddesses and post war American mythology. The objects may be new but the framework isn't. And we need to be nore discerning about Coventry as its carbunclisation happens in degrees, largely after the departure of Gibson and the city's loss of a coherent vision and of course recession. Nevertheless, a refreshing essay.

[@maximeorr]

Sir David Starkey.

[@jamesrogers5277]

Yes! - I would’ve agreed with you before Sir S Khan was knighted… but that sad debasement of the honour gives one pause…

[@frostylunetta]

❤ Dr Starkey I always prefer traditional art

[@KatharinaHolderegger]

Duchamp is now seen in such a different light. He came back to craft in his last work revealed only after his death. The ready made already invented in 1913 was also not about destroying art, but of saving art in its spiritual form. Art was rather destroyed by photography in the eyes of Duchamp. He thought that retinal art was silly. Before he invented the ready made, Duchamp looked at premodern art in quite a few galleries throughout the Continent. Modern and contemporary can be extremely beautiful. It stands totally within the Christian tradition of art making in the sense that it should reveal a truth and guide to a moral, not just be decorative or even give as just an illusion of something.

[@lauramason5667]

David Starkey is one of the most inspiring and brilliant minds that I know of today. Thank you for your wishes.❤

[@barrymccall2482]

Starkey is getting spastic! 😆💩

[@bayreuth79]

The decline of art according around the turn of the 20th century. Schoenberg began to compose free atonal music and then later 12-Tone Rows of atonal music. Alban Berg and Anton Webern, amongst others, followed him in this experiment, and as a consequence we went from Wagner and Mahler to agonising dissonances celebrated as great art! Music needs a tonal context otherwise it's atrocious to listen to, irrespective of how 'clever' it's formal structures are.

[@philiphumphrey1548]

Did you hear the reopening of Notre Dame cathedral. The organ "awakened" with the most dismal and painful cacophony imaginable. It said everything about the decline in music.

[@bayreuth79]

@@philiphumphrey1548 The organ awakened with a primal scream, somewhat like Kundry in Wagner's Parsifal.

[@mr.wigman]

​@@philiphumphrey1548Do you remember what exact work did awake the organ?

[@mr.wigman]

I find Schönberg and Webern still very enjoyable. They have a lot of musicality. The music is dark and depressing and sometimes I need that. Composers were trying to expand the tonality at all times more or less and 'atonality' is a natural consequence of this entropic process. Don't blame the artists but blame god for creating dissonance in our brains. We wanted new stuff and this is all that was left.

[@bayreuth79]

@@mr.wigman What exactly do you find "enjoyable" about Schönberg's atonal music? Do you know what he said about music? "The purpose of music is _not_ how it sounds". Do you agree with that? Music reduced to it's intellectual elements.

[@holger_p]

For Art & Culture you need kind of Taboos, that you can break (to provocate or to suprise). Once all Taboos are broken, there is nothing left to do for the artists.

[@dianawitty9628]

That’s what got us here… I understand what you’re saying, but wow…it’s gone a little too far when the past is unrecognizable in the here and now… for progress if it kills us and literally nothing is left standing

[@holger_p]

@dianawitty9628 this is subject of history class, art is to drive as forward, especially mentally. Like get rid of homophobia, do you suffer, if you loose it ? Yes the individual man likes to have a stable world, but from generation to generation, they prefer little changes. And they lile to Protest against their parents a little. The beatles did that, the punks did that now the rapper do it. While on the same time you have the cosy beach boys, abba, or country. One side for protest, to express pain, One side for feel good in the moment.

[@Rosiedelaroux]

I was gripped from the beginning. The west has been in decline sine the sixties - we now live in a throw away world

[@adohmnail6445]

The most important thing one can recognize is when you let foreigners tell your story its over. The English and the US gave control of media and academia to a foreign dual citizen group that started teaching the citizens to hate themselves and to doubt their customs, traditions, etc.

[@marchess286]

Thank you

[@colin-the-big-man]

Very nice indeed

The best thing about modern art is no-one is forced to look at it. Of course there are those awful modern public monstrosities but they are easily side-stepped

[@robertbullock9554]

😊😊😊😊Love your thumbnail photo from the 1960 film "Village of the Damned". Quite recherche', dahling.

[@olliefoxx7165]

We shouldn't have to side step those monstrosities. They are a blight upon the senses and an affront to decency.

[@noklarok]

but everyone is forced to chip in for it

[@melaniedupre1003]

Not just yet We the people must never utter the words “it’s over “ Not ALL of Americans in America is falling , Christians are praying and are still standing for America and it’s people 🇬🇧❤️🇺🇸🏡✌️😎

[@dianawitty9628]

Well make room for the Yogi Spiritualists…we don’t like this either… We’re going to need each other in the future to convince everyone of the importance of meaning, love, compassion over money and F everybody else…

[@shamster7182]

Very good.

[@RomanHistoryFan476AD]

I remember seeing a picture of modern 'art' in a book, it was literally just a rubbish bin with rubbish bags around it open.

[@lunamaria1048]

You never abandon your roots and culture

[@patrickkihn]

The quote from Sir Joshua Reynold makes it clear that the hole through which artistic and cultural fraudulence insinuated itself was left open for it by the aristocratic tradition of contempt for manual labor. That was the gateway for the subsequent marketing cons of Duchamp and Warhol and their current imitators. Can western art make a comeback, or at least have a last hurrah? I’m an American artist, so I certainly hope so. How much life and creativity has western civ got left in it? That is the question.

[@mr.wigman]

Where exactly should it go? Who is even the audience?

[@olliefoxx7165]

​@@mr.wigmanThere is a craving for beauty and inspiration in the hearts of every being. People that haven't seen real art or heard good music don't know what they are being denied. This can be remedied by sharing and promoting beautiful works. It will take seed and bloom in fertile soil.

[@mr.wigman]

@@olliefoxx7165 So, you mean sharing traditional art only? I wonder if there are any ideas left for new art to be good, honest and based on tradition. I don't think so. I think the good new ways are less in the art and more in the entertainment world. I think we can't make new traditional based art to be popular. Thats why I'm asking.

[@olliefoxx7165]

@mr.wigman We should share traditional ideas/standards of art. Utilizing new methods of creating that art is a fantastic use of new technology and methods. Why do you think classical art has no new ground to break? Did you know that at the turn of the 20th century there was a common sense that no new technology was left to be invented, everything had been done and said? This was BEFORE movies, before radio, before the automobile/airplane and so much that has happened since then. People were saying in the 1900s what you are saying now. Do you think nothing beautiful or inspirational has happened/been created since 1900? Of course not! We have vast desolate areas void of any beautiful architecture, parks, art, music in our culture. Wastelands of low quality nonsense filling people's souls with garbage. We should correct that and turn those areas into gardens for the soul.

[@mr.wigman]

@olliefoxx7165 Every culture once went to an end. Our traditional art is a culture. We've hit a point of exhaustion about 100 years ago. Before that, artists were contrary to your assumption very positive about future possibilities. We broke everything in the 20century. I am not talking about The Beatles and Disney (popculture). I'm talking about Piere Boulez and Picasso. Artists have explored radically new possibilitys for about 100 years and all we found was more and more chaotic stuff. We lost influence and popularity. Again I am not talking about popculture. Schönberg didn't invent serialism just for fun but it was the only way forward to expand tonal possibilities. Guys like Wagner and Debussy found all the goodies already. Now we have guys like Lachenmann who don't even use tonal material at all but use noise most of the time. There is simply no way to make something truly new without increasing entropy. But there is a limit to human physiological perception of beauty that we have exceeded long ago. Popculture on the other hand is reducing entropy by using simple techniques in creative ways by combining them in new ways over and over. It is not increasing entropy and thats why its popular.

[@namexox]

Modern art started with Cezanne with impressionism and later went into sub-genres eg: Surrealism with De Chirico. DADA went into Anti Art and its father was Marcel Duchamp which today is termed Contemporary Art (Art for Art Sake, Non Art and Banal Art). Warhol with POP Art came after Abstract Expressionism . Modern Art exists but it's underground eg: Art Brut (Mentally Ill) Graffiti Writing, Folk Art, Tattoo Art , Chinese/Japanese Calligraphy, Dark Surrealism of Hr Giger

[@danthemansmail]

If you have been watching carefully and like to search for audiobooks, music and art on YT, you will notice that they have already begun to replace humans altogether. The moment I realized what is starting to happen it gave me chills right down my spine. Right now, the AI creations fall short of what humans are capable of creating, but not by all that much. Soon, they will be better...and then what. What I do find fascinating and not a little bit frightening, is how well the AI's notice and exploit emotional triggers and tend to always appeal to the more baser instincts. I listened to a AI created song last night entitled...Broken Bottleneck Blues, case in point. Go check it out. Glad I'm not a young man, because I'm afraid they are massively screwed.

[@mgb5170]

It's fake and comes across as entertainment not real or human to people who didn't write it - that being mostly boys and their idea of real.

[@PretentiousNoob]

Culture ... history years later. Contemporary music and art years ahead of current culture.

[@Hebe.mcdavid]

Modern art is a classic case if the the moral of the story of the emperor’s new cloths

[@jamestregler1584]

I'm reminded of the old English book ' The present state of the Ottoman Empire ' 1665 as I recall ; but fear not America is leading the world back to sanity and CHRIST 😇 👍

[@rubo1964]

Banana taped to wall was sold for 6million 😂 and sadly thousands of real artists can't sell anything Sensationalism sells sadly

[@julianchase95]

Which room were the talks held in, I wonder?

[@morongosteve]

you would all do well to take notice of the copies of copies of copies of copies that we are bombarded with in the modern era and you would also do well to remember that those are the signs of a ciVilizational death rattle.

[@tropics8407]

If it were not for the marxists we would have not heard Starkey 👏👏👍 hopefully they can be sidelined so the common sense productive can find a way thru ✊

[@throathook]

Can't stay the same forever.

[@ChrisKirtley]

Modern Art (at least before Pollock) was good. Its Contemporary Art thats so tedious.

[@jayclarke6671]

The late 18th century England was a time of cultural and social enlightenment where religion for a time was in the background so to speak. When the church took over education in the early 19th century saw an end to it.

[@julzy3]

Reverend Beebe: ...You're naturally drawn to things Italian, as are we and all our friends... A Room with a View

[@HappyValleyGuy]

They’ve always treated living artists poorly! Money & Corporations have ruined art!

[@Soreno-Music]

As I wade through the cultural smog, I realize the inevitable degeneration, The long, hard slog, For the decline of a nation. My helpless mind and body look on, When worlds collide, The landscape is gone, There is no inherent, pertinent song. Delve deeper to see, The apocalypse of dreams and endeavours, The mighty sword no more, A world of homogeneous drivel. What more could I wish than to see, Conkers and eggs roll, To breathe in the fresh pastures of my forefathers, A land of the mighty and bold, Now a land of fallen saints and 'rathers.' To ignite the passion of old, Reimagine the times foretold, Muster the madness, Focus intent, Morality is waiting.

[@alexhutchinson3456]

I can't help wondering which of the two drinkers will finish his pint first.

[@artfasil]

Post modernism is the tool of the architects of our misfortune.

[@antoniogeitoeira5439]

So' acredito em HQ, Comics, Manga' e Ukiyoe. Tambem Fumetti, Tebeo...

[@ftsetradersteve2742]

I wonder what part photography had in reducing the relevance of pictorial art and if that was one of the causes of this daring and ghastly experiment.

[@JC-qh6wl]

People like Starkey contribute to the death, and now don’t contribute anything to its resurrection but only relentlessly talk about it because talking is all people like him are capable of.

[@GregoryJByrne]

“In the climate change last days you will be hated for his names sake.” Jesus the way truth and life more abundantly

[@aglez6370]

David is a national treasure. While we’ve men like him, there's hope for England and the western civilisation.

[@barrymccall2482]

Yes a treasure... Sunken treasure!😛😏

[@SKo-p7m]

The Arts and Culture, as well as the current status of the entire Western Civilization, was clearly displayed to billions of people at the Olympics opening in Paris. This status cannot be reversed - there is no question. The questio is if the Western Civilization may or may not be able to compete with Arts, Culture and Wales and concepts of newly rising civilizations.

[@SKo-p7m]

Correction: Values not Wales

[@filipasales9291]

That's all very well and good but it's so much simpler. Protestants versus Catholics. Rome versus Barbarians. When we lost sight of Rome down went civilization.

[@pr44pr44]

This is good, but my account of the origins of contemporary art is more useful. 'Art in the Age of the Anxiety' by Paul Rhoads. American artists were not influenced by dada until the 1950s.

[@egosum7]

So glad "Le Plan Voisin" was buried.

[@markkavanagh7377]

The real classical Art of now is at the same place as classical music, it is serving cinema, and thats not a bad thing.

[@noricd]

Erudite and engaging lecture, thank you. As for the thumbnail text and video title they are misleading and completely silly.

[@steveenay9065]

Hello Mr Starkey. Sorry, off topic but if I may ask you a question. To your knowledge, did Winston Churchill ever say anything about being very carefull about allowing lawyers becoming an MP. Or even PM? Thank you.

[@irinam5138]

“Architect and vandal” 😂🤣🤣🤣

[@aaronwalderslade]

As a fine art graduate from the 1990s in time based media, I found this fascinating and woefully accurate. Dr Starkey you display an impressive cultural knowledge, though I felt there were gaps, notably performance art and film and video. I'd also like to have heard some reference to more recent artists such as Hirst (esp. For the Love of God), Emin (Emin was an alumni of my own college I'm afraid), the snow sculpture artist, whose name I forget, and perhaps Joseph Beuys. The idea that a postmodern artist simply chooses a medium and then churns out work after work in his pet medium (what will Hirst bisect next?) was fittingly described as masturbation. Can one imagine Michaelangelo picking as his greatest act of originality the choice of Conte crayons as a medium, or of Marble? This is almost always the case with the modern artist, who merely picks a medium or way of using a medium and almost patents it. It's nothing more than artificial currency; artificial scarcity bracketed between the artist's working years. Artists are one trick ponies printing currency more cynically than Warhol ever did. I realise there wouldn't be anywhere near enough time to cover just the areas I cover above in addition to what you did, but I just felt this lecture wasn't quite as up to date or complete as I would have liked. Blame me, if you like, for being a film student! Quinlan Terry's architecture is also an interesting twist (post-post modernism or just neo classicism??) I do realise the focus was on Duchamp and Warhol. Also note that Warhol was fairly cynically printing "money" in the factory. His true love was film, and the paintings were simply made to fund his filmmaking, (a further layer of cynicism, if one were needed) yet his films are so far ahead of their time that they are still not yet fully appreciated for the priceless works that they are. I'm biased. My dissertation was on Warhol and Brakhage _as filmmakers._ I would direct you to watch Haircut, or my favourite Paul Swan, in which I challenge you not to be moved to tears. The Duchamp quote was I think

[@jasonhaven7170]

Rock, jazz, soul, blues, funk, house, hip-hop and rnb were invented by African-Americans

[@andrewcliffe4753]

The ancients set the bar far too high for the modern artists so they abandoned the pursuit of excellence

[@flashgordon6510]

Hold on, it's staggering back onto its feet in the US at the moment...

[@antonius_006]

The western culture is not falling, but something is falling.

[@stevenjackson6360]

The link between BRITAIN and Italy is the Germanic basis of the culture. Common law is Germanic and is the basis of European culture. Roman law is the bane of European culture Lombardic, Anglo Saxon cultures etc preserved common law and democracy. Roman law overtook most of Europe with the Catholic church

[@alessandrovaccari782]

West is exactly the same as East. Both of this civilizations were born from an assumption of moral thought that forges cultural and psychological categories (meta-categories) into individuals and communities, as value, intentions, institutions, educational, economical and political, as goal of an ultimate abstraction of idealistic thought: the Good. So our misery starts from good intentions and ends with these. Anybody is honest to admit this with no reservations and so we continue to perpetuate a fool system of values, morality and rational thinking because the category of sacred is so deeply rooted into ourselves. The theological instance is everywhere in our society, behaviours and thoughts, included secular and atheistic environments of culture and political believes. Nihilism is another metaphysic to blame abstract spirits and not ourselves as subject of auto-consumption of superior causes. Art is not a sacred mission, but always, before Aristotle and zoi politikoi, a pretext to talk about ourselves; a great or little artist, but out of history, knows this with full awareness and no shame at all, the common ones are still producing art for love in God or Man (homo homini deus est), namely a representation of an ideal object of good and pious inspiration. Long life to Max Stirner.

[@robertvazquez7806]

A new and fresh paradigm is emerging. Let go of the past, embrace the new.

[@thaxtonwaters8561]

The Arts & Humanities are basically the College of Foucault.🙄

[@paulrimmer391]

The Shock of the New just becomes shocking.

[@AndrewFreeman-jv5xm]

Post modern western neoliberal modern art was the demise of art

[@kentvanschuyler9520]

The Triumph of the cabal of the historien intrinsèquement désordonné 😢

[@ClaireCopeland-n6y]

Shock art is just evil. At best it is no talent jealousy in my opinion

[@Sotol811]

What about someone like John Currin?

[@heysomeone0310]

Free Tommy

[@global.explorer]

Oh.

[@drivesmecrazy1000]

Modern art makes nauseates me. I actually feel sick when I go to the modern art section in a museum.